he right about people not showing up at furd when they had Harbaugh and Luck. But he dead wrong about Cal. When we had Lynch and Rodgers, Memorial was packed.Econ141 said:
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2023/07/16/brock-huard-calls-pac-12-tv-situation-very-dire/
Some pretty bad comments from our former RB lynch. Way to call out a fan base that had no reason to show up for the past 15 years.
Cal Strong! said:he right about people not showing up at furd when they had Harbaugh and Luck. But he dead wrong about Cal. When we had Lynch and Rodgers, Memorial was packed.Econ141 said:
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2023/07/16/brock-huard-calls-pac-12-tv-situation-very-dire/
Some pretty bad comments from our former RB lynch. Way to call out a fan base that had no reason to show up for the past 15 years.
As far as Cal is concerned - the fans haven't betrayed the networks or the football program. The football program has betrayed the fans.
Go watch a few games from the 80s and 90s, times have changed with every game on TV and lots of late kickoffs but even for a below-average program we had decent attendance back then, although the Bay Area's crowded sports scene the last decade and us having our worst run in the modern era has put us in a rough spot. But even after our worst season in history (at the time), we had a good crowd for the 2002 opener, and even when we're the last team in the East Bay, we are not going to have crowds showing up unless we really make a push.wc22 said:
Colorado had an almost full house when they beat us. Just saying. Actually, I will say it, Lynch is right. A good program should have fans showing up when it is down. And we don't.
They had a coaching change that week. Fans get excited when there a new coach.wc22 said:
Colorado had an almost full house when they beat us. Just saying. Actually, I will say it, Lynch is right. A good program should have fans showing up when it is down. And we don't.
Econ141 said:
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2023/07/16/brock-huard-calls-pac-12-tv-situation-very-dire/
Some pretty bad comments from our former RB lynch. Way to call out a fan base that had no reason to show up for the past 15 years.
CarmelBear said:
Not good in the 90s? Well - that 92 team might disagree.
wc22 said:
Colorado had an almost full house when they beat us. Just saying. Actually, I will say it, Lynch is right. A good program should have fans showing up when it is down. And we don't.
But we don't have a "good program". Not since the "good" Tedford years.wc22 said:
Colorado had an almost full house when they beat us. Just saying. Actually, I will say it, Lynch is right. A good program should have fans showing up when it is down. And we don't.
BluesandGold2 said:
Is it possible that without the A's and Raiders attendance will improve, or is this a region in which "if I didn't go there I don't care about" X institution? Deep in SEC country, everyone's got an alliance. Could Cal gain non-affiliated followings?
BluesandGold2 said:
Is it possible that without the A's and Raiders attendance will improve, or is this a region in which "if I didn't go there I don't care about" X institution? Deep in SEC country, everyone's got an alliance. Could Cal gain non-affiliated followings?
Seems to me this would be a good time to give away tickets to elementry and high school students who rank in the top 10 percent of their class coupled with a day of "think about college" followed by an early lunch and the home opener against some patsy.calumnus said:BluesandGold2 said:
Is it possible that without the A's and Raiders attendance will improve, or is this a region in which "if I didn't go there I don't care about" X institution? Deep in SEC country, everyone's got an alliance. Could Cal gain non-affiliated followings?
We did in the past. Tom Hanks grew up in Oakland and is a Cal fan. Marketing plays a big role. However, this AD doesn't want to "devalue" the ticket with promotions or free student admission. He does not get that a packed stadium contributes to winning AND improves the game day experience, thereby increasing demand. People don't want to pay big money to sit on the 50 yard line in an empty stadium with a boring team that is losing just out of "loyalty." However, they will pay big money to sit on the 50 yard line in a packed stadium across from a loud student section rooting for an exciting team with marketed (often local) stars.
Huard hates Cal. Listen to any broadcast - not even a Cal game - and he will somehow bring Cal up and bash us. Something like - Well, at least they're not like Cal or something just as juvenile. And, of course, he has been gunning to get the Big 10 to take Washington and has been for the past year publicly, and denigrating Cal and Stanford is standard for him.wifeisafurd said:
I got Hurd's main point about the Pac being in trouble - we have all said on the site at some point. I'm not sure why he took aim at only Cal or Furd. Want to see empty seats, just go to a UCLA game, those guys the B1G took.
Looking at attendance doesn't necessarily show the value of the program. There are only 2 programs that consistently sell out, Oregon and Utah, and they don't have huge venues. Even SC has bandwagon fans. 2022 was also coming off C-19 and some fans just didn't want to be in crows ASU has its lowest attendance ever, and that doesn't include all the ticket holders who were no-shows.
Hurd was kinda of rambling. Cal's game experience sucked and at least in ESP was just getting worse, and the team isn't all that good. So the fans don't show. But Cal fans at least well show under the right circumstances, which is not true at Furd, unless they play top teams who travel well (and they do). So what? Furd's brand is so powerful, Notre Dame won't go to the B1G without Stanford.
I'm starting to ramble in response to Huard's rambling, but his Huskies are bandwagon fans, and now even in a great year interest is waning: Last season Husky Stadium's average announced attendance was 61,615 its lowest number since 2012 (58,617). That's 10 years ago Brock, and last year's team won 11 games.
Econ141 said:
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2023/07/16/brock-huard-calls-pac-12-tv-situation-very-dire/
Some pretty bad comments from our former RB lynch. Way to call out a fan base that had no reason to show up for the past 15 years.
Huard is laughably out of touch with today's college kids and recent grads, at least on the West Coast. Sky-high college costs and things like NIL are changing the fundamental relationship between many regular students and student/athletes in revenue sports. Huard expects the student who's racking $10k/year in loans to feel an obligation to support his/her/their school's football team; a bunch of guys who are getting their education for free as well as (in many cases) NIL $. As we see, that unconditional support is not there, by and large. If people anticipate a competitive, entertaining event, they will show up. If not, there's lots of other things to do. I doubt that anybody's dying words will be, "I wish I went to more football games".calumnus said:Econ141 said:
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2023/07/16/brock-huard-calls-pac-12-tv-situation-very-dire/
Some pretty bad comments from our former RB lynch. Way to call out a fan base that had no reason to show up for the past 15 years.
So Brock Huard is trashing the PAC-10 as it negotiates a contract and bashes Cal and Stanford in particular? Just as UW (his alma mater) and Oregon are potentially competing with Cal and Stanford for spots in the Big 10?
He said Cal and Furd don't need football, and on some levels, that might be true. They're the top private and public schools in D1 Athletics. On the other hand, I DO think they need football because it's a way of bringing people together and is good for esprit de corps. I would like to think we'll get better attendance this year since we're really clear of the pandemic and there seems to be hope for a better result.Econ141 said:
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2023/07/16/brock-huard-calls-pac-12-tv-situation-very-dire/
Some pretty bad comments from our former RB lynch. Way to call out a fan base that had no reason to show up for the past 15 years.
Oski87 said:Huard hates Cal. Listen to any broadcast - not even a Cal game - and he will somehow bring Cal up and bash us. Something like - Well, at least they're not like Cal or something just as juvenile. And, of course, he has been gunning to get the Big 10 to take Washington and has been for the past year publicly, and denigrating Cal and Stanford is standard for him.wifeisafurd said:
I got Hurd's main point about the Pac being in trouble - we have all said on the site at some point. I'm not sure why he took aim at only Cal or Furd. Want to see empty seats, just go to a UCLA game, those guys the B1G took.
Looking at attendance doesn't necessarily show the value of the program. There are only 2 programs that consistently sell out, Oregon and Utah, and they don't have huge venues. Even SC has bandwagon fans. 2022 was also coming off C-19 and some fans just didn't want to be in crows ASU has its lowest attendance ever, and that doesn't include all the ticket holders who were no-shows.
Hurd was kinda of rambling. Cal's game experience sucked and at least in ESP was just getting worse, and the team isn't all that good. So the fans don't show. But Cal fans at least well show under the right circumstances, which is not true at Furd, unless they play top teams who travel well (and they do). So what? Furd's brand is so powerful, Notre Dame won't go to the B1G without Stanford.
I'm starting to ramble in response to Huard's rambling, but his Huskies are bandwagon fans, and now even in a great year interest is waning: Last season Husky Stadium's average announced attendance was 61,615 its lowest number since 2012 (58,617). That's 10 years ago Brock, and last year's team won 11 games.
I remember how he was bashing Cal a few years ago when we had just won twice in a row against them. Ridiculous.
juarezbear said:He said Cal and Furd don't need football, and on some levels, that might be true. They're the top private and public schools in D1 Athletics. On the other hand, I DO think they need football because it's a way of bringing people together and is good for esprit de corps. I would like to think we'll get better attendance this year since we're really clear of the pandemic and there seems to be hope for a better result.Econ141 said:
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2023/07/16/brock-huard-calls-pac-12-tv-situation-very-dire/
Some pretty bad comments from our former RB lynch. Way to call out a fan base that had no reason to show up for the past 15 years.
juarezbear said:He said Cal and Furd don't need football, and on some levels, that might be true. They're the top private and public schools in D1 Athletics. On the other hand, I DO think they need football because it's a way of bringing people together and is good for esprit de corps. I would like to think we'll get better attendance this year since we're really clear of the pandemic and there seems to be hope for a better result.Econ141 said:
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2023/07/16/brock-huard-calls-pac-12-tv-situation-very-dire/
Some pretty bad comments from our former RB lynch. Way to call out a fan base that had no reason to show up for the past 15 years.
What's the difference in the average Cal student from the 80s and 90s?Strykur said:Go watch a few games from the 80s and 90s, times have changed with every game on TV and lots of late kickoffs but even for a below-average program we had decent attendance back then, although the Bay Area's crowded sports scene the last decade and us having our worst run in the modern era has put us in a rough spot. But even after our worst season in history (at the time), we had a good crowd for the 2002 opener, and even when we're the last team in the East Bay, we are not going to have crowds showing up unless we really make a push.wc22 said:
Colorado had an almost full house when they beat us. Just saying. Actually, I will say it, Lynch is right. A good program should have fans showing up when it is down. And we don't.
Also Brock Huard may be a dumb ape but outside of Eugene, Salt Lake, and even Boulder, there is not a ton of fan enthusiasm across the PAC-12 these days, Colorado did sell out their spring game but even Huard had to be horrified that despite having an 11-win season, Washington had less than a thousand people show up for their spring showcase, so he knows firsthand the gap in college football fandom within the PAC-12.
TexasAgInTheBay said:What's the difference in the average Cal student from the 80s and 90s?Strykur said:Go watch a few games from the 80s and 90s, times have changed with every game on TV and lots of late kickoffs but even for a below-average program we had decent attendance back then, although the Bay Area's crowded sports scene the last decade and us having our worst run in the modern era has put us in a rough spot. But even after our worst season in history (at the time), we had a good crowd for the 2002 opener, and even when we're the last team in the East Bay, we are not going to have crowds showing up unless we really make a push.wc22 said:
Colorado had an almost full house when they beat us. Just saying. Actually, I will say it, Lynch is right. A good program should have fans showing up when it is down. And we don't.
Also Brock Huard may be a dumb ape but outside of Eugene, Salt Lake, and even Boulder, there is not a ton of fan enthusiasm across the PAC-12 these days, Colorado did sell out their spring game but even Huard had to be horrified that despite having an 11-win season, Washington had less than a thousand people show up for their spring showcase, so he knows firsthand the gap in college football fandom within the PAC-12.
My guess? If Cal had a 35% acceptance rate for CA students, with 45k undergrads in 2005 that stretched to 50k undergrads by 2015 (this is probably what the state needs proportionally), you'd have a HUGE fanbase and would be prominent prize in college football realignment musical chairs.
I think lack of physical space, fighting with the city of Berkeley NIMBYs, as well as a bizarre preoccupation with propping up satellite campuses (perhaps there is something done by the state legislature; or not understanding California), and leaning into soft elitism hasn't worked out well in terms of athletics.
) Cal Strong! said:he right about people not showing up at furd when they had Harbaugh and Luck. But he dead wrong about Cal. When we had Lynch and Rodgers, Memorial was packed.Econ141 said:
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2023/07/16/brock-huard-calls-pac-12-tv-situation-very-dire/
Some pretty bad comments from our former RB lynch. Way to call out a fan base that had no reason to show up for the past 15 years.
As far as Cal is concerned - the fans haven't betrayed the networks or the football program. The football program has betrayed the fans.
