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I find it very hard to believe the B10 admits one and goes to 19; odd #s are no longer common and Notre Dame is contractually locked into joining the ACC if it joins a conference.

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ND needs (and wants) the Trees in a major conference for that series to continue to matter, they also are not looking to exit the ACC per their campaigning for us and the Trees to be invited.

DoubtfulBear said:

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OskiDeLaHoya said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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OskiDeLaHoya said:

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Looks like there's some Stanford smoke now. Hope the last sentence isn't bad omen and Stanford's just taking the lead.

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It makes sense. Why would Stanford advocate on our behalf when they are struggling to find a lifeboat themselves

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True. But that shouldn't preclude our big donors from also reaching out to the "money perches"/big donors of the B1G schools. Why not coordinate efforts if we're selling our two schools as a package deal?

I still have faith that Stanford values our rivalry too much to stab us in the back and leave us behind. It would absolutely kill the rivalry. But until we both find a landing spot (hopefully together), my paranoia is going to persist.

I just want all this to be settled soon.

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From the lack of rumors, it seems like our big donors care much less about football than Stanford's alumni.

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People negotiating deals who know what they are doing don't let the info out unless there is a reason. Please consider that our big donors are working behind the scenes and keeping the info locked down and behind the scenes. I have faith they know what they are doing and doing their best. Their business and negotiating skills are considerable and these same skills are being applied now.

Maddbear said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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OskiDeLaHoya said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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OskiDeLaHoya said:

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Looks like there's some Stanford smoke now. Hope the last sentence isn't bad omen and Stanford's just taking the lead.

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It makes sense. Why would Stanford advocate on our behalf when they are struggling to find a lifeboat themselves

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True. But that shouldn't preclude our big donors from also reaching out to the "money perches"/big donors of the B1G schools. Why not coordinate efforts if we're selling our two schools as a package deal?

I still have faith that Stanford values our rivalry too much to stab us in the back and leave us behind. It would absolutely kill the rivalry. But until we both find a landing spot (hopefully together), my paranoia is going to persist.

I just want all this to be settled soon.

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From the lack of rumors, it seems like our big donors care much less about football than Stanford's alumni.

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People negotiating deals who know what they are doing don't let the info out unless there is a reason. Please consider that our big donors are working behind the scenes and keeping the info locked down and behind the scenes. I have faith they know what they are doing and doing their best. Their business and negotiating skills are considerable and these same skills are being applied now.

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The other end of the spectrum is Florida State who now look idiotic after saying they deserve more money while being house poor in the ACC.

Right. I'm saying ND is going nowhere... and I don't think B10 adds just one.
So if they add Stanford, they add Cal. There aren't any other logical options

Econ141 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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OskiDeLaHoya said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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OskiDeLaHoya said:

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Looks like there's some Stanford smoke now. Hope the last sentence isn't bad omen and Stanford's just taking the lead.

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It makes sense. Why would Stanford advocate on our behalf when they are struggling to find a lifeboat themselves

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True. But that shouldn't preclude our big donors from also reaching out to the "money perches"/big donors of the B1G schools. Why not coordinate efforts if we're selling our two schools as a package deal?

I still have faith that Stanford values our rivalry too much to stab us in the back and leave us behind. It would absolutely kill the rivalry. But until we both find a landing spot (hopefully together), my paranoia is going to persist.

I just want all this to be settled soon.

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From the lack of rumors, it seems like our big donors care much less about football than Stanford's alumni.

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Right?!? Throughout this whole process, I have not heard what our donors are doing. We don't have the whale like Oregon and UCLA that will fight for us.

And maybe this is what we have to realize. It was just a few of us die hard fans on this site that actually cared about Cal football. Perhaps not worth saving after all - at least that's the rationale I am employing now that I know where all this is sadly heading.

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I'm sorry you're feeling so badly. The following link will take you to some famous quotes from Eeyore. Might cheer you up!

https://parade.com/1277210/kaigreen/eeyore-quotes/

baytobreakers said:

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A few questions; assuming this guy is even reliable in the first place.

What is "BTM/Associates"? Big Ten Media?
Do the ADs need lobbied? By all indications, it's Fox that needs lobbied and the Presidents are already on board --- and those that actually vote?
"California not part of Stanford push" --- unclear if that means Cal is not/less involved in the lobbying or that Stanford is lobbying for admission solo.

I find it very hard to believe the B10 admits one and goes to 19; odd #s are no longer common and Notre Dame is contractually locked into joining the ACC if it joins a conference.

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BTM is his acronym for "Big Ten Man", which I think he or someone else said is a source from a B1G Athletic Department. Presumably Minnesota (since he's a fan) but not necessarily.

I agree with your first interpretation that he's saying he hasn't heard anything about Cal lobbyists being involved, which doesn't necessarily mean Stanford is going it alone.

I will say thus: I've been following this guy for a while and, dating back to last year, he has been projecting UW, UO, Notre Dame and Stanford to th B1G. But since last fall, it sounded like he no longer thinks ND is happening soon. On more than one occasion, he has said he hasn't heard a peep about Cal from his sources, one way or another.

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Right. I'm saying ND is going nowhere... and I don't think B10 adds just one.
So if they add Stanford, they add Cal. There aren't any other logical options

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This is a good point. It doesn't seem like any other partners for Stanford would be available, and 19 teams doesn't make much sense either.

Maddbear said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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OskiDeLaHoya said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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OskiDeLaHoya said:

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Looks like there's some Stanford smoke now. Hope the last sentence isn't bad omen and Stanford's just taking the lead.

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It makes sense. Why would Stanford advocate on our behalf when they are struggling to find a lifeboat themselves

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True. But that shouldn't preclude our big donors from also reaching out to the "money perches"/big donors of the B1G schools. Why not coordinate efforts if we're selling our two schools as a package deal?

I still have faith that Stanford values our rivalry too much to stab us in the back and leave us behind. It would absolutely kill the rivalry. But until we both find a landing spot (hopefully together), my paranoia is going to persist.

I just want all this to be settled soon.

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From the lack of rumors, it seems like our big donors care much less about football than Stanford's alumni.

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People negotiating deals who know what they are doing don't let the info out unless there is a reason. Please consider that our big donors are working behind the scenes and keeping the info locked down and behind the scenes. I have faith they know what they are doing and doing their best. Their business and negotiating skills are considerable and these same skills are being applied now.

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That's exactly what all the GK supporters have been saying for the last 13 months. And look where that landed us

DoubtfulBear said:

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Maddbear said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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OskiDeLaHoya said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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OskiDeLaHoya said:

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Looks like there's some Stanford smoke now. Hope the last sentence isn't bad omen and Stanford's just taking the lead.

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It makes sense. Why would Stanford advocate on our behalf when they are struggling to find a lifeboat themselves

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True. But that shouldn't preclude our big donors from also reaching out to the "money perches"/big donors of the B1G schools. Why not coordinate efforts if we're selling our two schools as a package deal?

I still have faith that Stanford values our rivalry too much to stab us in the back and leave us behind. It would absolutely kill the rivalry. But until we both find a landing spot (hopefully together), my paranoia is going to persist.

I just want all this to be settled soon.

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From the lack of rumors, it seems like our big donors care much less about football than Stanford's alumni.

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People negotiating deals who know what they are doing don't let the info out unless there is a reason. Please consider that our big donors are working behind the scenes and keeping the info locked down and behind the scenes. I have faith they know what they are doing and doing their best. Their business and negotiating skills are considerable and these same skills are being applied now.

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That's exactly what all the GK supporters have been saying for the last 13 months. And look where that landed us

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And what people have been saying about Christ for the last ten months. If BTM sources are B1G inside sources, it doesn't matter how close to the vest Cal's people are. If Cal has been in meaningful negotiations with the B1G or is now, most likely B1G connected people would hear something.

calumnus said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Maddbear said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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OskiDeLaHoya said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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OskiDeLaHoya said:

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Looks like there's some Stanford smoke now. Hope the last sentence isn't bad omen and Stanford's just taking the lead.

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It makes sense. Why would Stanford advocate on our behalf when they are struggling to find a lifeboat themselves

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True. But that shouldn't preclude our big donors from also reaching out to the "money perches"/big donors of the B1G schools. Why not coordinate efforts if we're selling our two schools as a package deal?

I still have faith that Stanford values our rivalry too much to stab us in the back and leave us behind. It would absolutely kill the rivalry. But until we both find a landing spot (hopefully together), my paranoia is going to persist.

I just want all this to be settled soon.

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From the lack of rumors, it seems like our big donors care much less about football than Stanford's alumni.

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People negotiating deals who know what they are doing don't let the info out unless there is a reason. Please consider that our big donors are working behind the scenes and keeping the info locked down and behind the scenes. I have faith they know what they are doing and doing their best. Their business and negotiating skills are considerable and these same skills are being applied now.

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That's exactly what all the GK supporters have been saying for the last 13 months. And look where that landed us

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And what people have been saying about Christ for the last ten months. If BTM sources are B1G inside sources, it doesn't matter how close to the vest Cal's people are. If Cal has been in meaningful negotiations with the B1G or is now, most likely B1G connected people would hear something.

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I for one feel comforted with the "not standing on the sidelines statement." Look at how much has gotten done since the USC/UCLA exit. Amazing things happen when you keep things in the vault.

Stanford just landed a 4* Oakland native OL despite all the negative news on Pac4. Won't be surprised if they leave us in the dust for greener pastures in B1G

DoubtfulBear said:

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Stanford just landed a 4* Oakland native OL despite all the negative news on Pac4. Won't be surprised if they leave us in the dust for greener pastures in B1G

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Yup - they must have some inside info to make that happen. Hey powerful Alumni! Go!!! Go?!?! Go?

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Maddbear said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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OskiDeLaHoya said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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OskiDeLaHoya said:

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Looks like there's some Stanford smoke now. Hope the last sentence isn't bad omen and Stanford's just taking the lead.

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It makes sense. Why would Stanford advocate on our behalf when they are struggling to find a lifeboat themselves

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True. But that shouldn't preclude our big donors from also reaching out to the "money perches"/big donors of the B1G schools. Why not coordinate efforts if we're selling our two schools as a package deal?

I still have faith that Stanford values our rivalry too much to stab us in the back and leave us behind. It would absolutely kill the rivalry. But until we both find a landing spot (hopefully together), my paranoia is going to persist.

I just want all this to be settled soon.

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From the lack of rumors, it seems like our big donors care much less about football than Stanford's alumni.

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People negotiating deals who know what they are doing don't let the info out unless there is a reason. Please consider that our big donors are working behind the scenes and keeping the info locked down and behind the scenes. I have faith they know what they are doing and doing their best. Their business and negotiating skills are considerable and these same skills are being applied now.

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That's exactly what all the GK supporters have been saying for the last 13 months. And look where that landed us

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And what people have been saying about Christ for the last ten months. If BTM sources are B1G inside sources, it doesn't matter how close to the vest Cal's people are. If Cal has been in meaningful negotiations with the B1G or is now, most likely B1G connected people would hear something.

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Isn't it amazing that even after the last 13 months people continue to believe in Christ as some kind of "master of the universe" who is playing 4-D chess behind the scenes?!

DoubtfulBear said:

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Stanford just landed a 4* Oakland native OL despite all the negative news on Pac4. Won't be surprised if they leave us in the dust for greener pastures in B1G

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Does anyone know why he's a 247 composite 4-star when 247, Rivals, ESPN (unrated), On3 all rate him 3-stars or less? Who is this service that's rating him so highly that it pulls him up to a 4-star?

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calumnus said:

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Maddbear said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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OskiDeLaHoya said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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OskiDeLaHoya said:

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Looks like there's some Stanford smoke now. Hope the last sentence isn't bad omen and Stanford's just taking the lead.

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It makes sense. Why would Stanford advocate on our behalf when they are struggling to find a lifeboat themselves

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True. But that shouldn't preclude our big donors from also reaching out to the "money perches"/big donors of the B1G schools. Why not coordinate efforts if we're selling our two schools as a package deal?

I still have faith that Stanford values our rivalry too much to stab us in the back and leave us behind. It would absolutely kill the rivalry. But until we both find a landing spot (hopefully together), my paranoia is going to persist.

I just want all this to be settled soon.

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From the lack of rumors, it seems like our big donors care much less about football than Stanford's alumni.

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People negotiating deals who know what they are doing don't let the info out unless there is a reason. Please consider that our big donors are working behind the scenes and keeping the info locked down and behind the scenes. I have faith they know what they are doing and doing their best. Their business and negotiating skills are considerable and these same skills are being applied now.

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That's exactly what all the GK supporters have been saying for the last 13 months. And look where that landed us

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And what people have been saying about Christ for the last ten months. If BTM sources are B1G inside sources, it doesn't matter how close to the vest Cal's people are. If Cal has been in meaningful negotiations with the B1G or is now, most likely B1G connected people would hear something.

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Isn't it amazing that even after the last 13 months people continue to believe in Christ as some kind of "master of the universe" who is playing 4-D chess behind the scenes?!

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isn't it amazing that even after multiple years that some dumb azzs continue to believe that chancellor christ is the person responsible for "saving" cal when it's actually the absentee bureaucrat athletic director that spends his days living in colorado spring cashing paychecks & playing senior all star hockey?!

Yes. The con artist needs to be escorted out similar to the Fox exit. And quickly. Time to clean house.

Can someone please remind me who hired the moron and then extended him out until retirement? Seems kinda responsible/accountable. Hope she has a better sales pitch than the missing AD she hired.

It sure has been quiet on the recruiting front. All the silence must mean Wilcox is working behind the scenes to capture several 5* players!

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Can someone please remind me who hired the moron and then extended him out until retirement? Seems kinda responsible/accountable. Hope she has a better sales pitch than the missing AD she hired.

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She gave him an 8 year contract extension at $1.3 million per year until 2029 without requiring him to actually live in the state, but will retire in 2024 just before leaving the new chancellor with no athletic conference and 5 more years of JK as AD to manage the implosion, though more likely Knowlton will mis-manage to get himself fired with a full payout of his contract so he can spend the other 6 months of the year in Colorado Springs as well.