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MrGPAC
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BearMDJD said:

LodeBear said:

Ok , will have to find that letter. i read the public one. did not know there was a more extensive letter.


Office of the Chancellor
Dear campus community,

As you may be aware, two more of our Pac-12 peer institutions, Oregon and Washington, have decided to leave the conference one year from now, and there are reports that additional universities may be considering similar steps.

These changes are just the latest developments in the ongoing realignment of the conferences around which intercollegiate athletics are organized; changes that raise serious questions and challenges for Cal Athletics.

We are not watching and waiting from the sidelines. Together, we are evaluating a variety of options that will ensure our student athletes can continue to thrive, and that our intercollegiate athletics program can continue to excel in a manner consistent with our institutional values and budgetary realities.

We recognize and deeply value the singular role Cal Athletics plays in terms of the participatory and educational opportunities it provides to our students, and the way in which it supports the strength, spirit and cohesion of our university's extended community of students, staff, faculty and alumni.

As we review the options before us, these are the attributes we are committed to protect and preserve.

At this point, as complicated conversations and negotiations continue, there is little else we can say without jeopardizing our interests. We are grateful for the continued support of the campus community and the extended Cal family, and will remain committed to sharing as much information as we can in the days ahead.

Fiat Lux and Go Bears!

Carol T. Christ
Chancellor

Jim Knowlton
Director, Intercollegiate Athletics


This message was sent to all UC Berkeley staff, students, and faculty.

Maybe I'm being a little bit too nitpicking here, but two things bug me about this, particularly vs the Washington State notice.

1) Cal's wording:
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We are not watching and waiting from the sidelines.
Washington State's wording:

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While we had hoped that our membership would remain together, this outcome was always a possibility, and we have been working diligently to determine what is next for Washington State Athletics.
Washington State's wording indicates foresight and an active stance preparing for all possible outcomes. Cal's wording indicates a very reactionary stance. I have long said that the key to success is anticipation vs reacting. No matter how fast your reaction times are, you will always be slower reacting to something than someone who anticipated it as coming and had a plan for how to deal with it.

While Washington State's wording is re-assuring that they have been doing everything they can and are prepared for this scenario, Cal's sounds like they got caught with their pants down and are trying to figure out *** to do now.

2) The use of the word "complicated":
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At this point, as complicated conversations and negotiations continue, there is little else we can say without jeopardizing our interests.
There are two reasons to use complicated here, neither of which are very good. The first is they are talking down to us. "These things are really very complicated, you wouldn't understand." That is not very inviting, and given the audience is not a good look.

The second is that they themselves deem it very complicated (i.e. they don't know what they are doing). "Well gosh, this is really complicated, but we're doing our best."

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that they are stating why they cannot be more forthcoming about negotiations at this juncture...but there were better ways to say this.
calbear93
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DoubtfulBear said:

If we weren't trying to piss anyone off then why did we push the Regents to block UCLA from leaving instead of finding a way to join with them?
They are big boys. If trying to block them, even if not for leverage to get an invite ourselves, pissed them off, then they would not have gotten to where they are and they wouldn't have risked pissing everyone off by plucking USC/UCLA.

We didn't get an invite because our support sucks and our administration has no clue on how to run a big-time program that can generate fan support. They may rely on blind loyalty but it is not something that is generated by the inept actions for someone who is not otherwise unconditionally tied to the school. UCLA had the benefit of tagging along with USC and smart enough not to put some outdated principle above survival. WE would have pooched even that had we been tied to USC.
calbear93
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sycasey said:

Cal/Furd are just in a different position than WSU/OSU. Much more likely to find another home in a power conference. Hence you will read less anger in their statements because they are trying not to tick anyone off.
WE may end up in the same position in the near future unless we can play the ACC vs. Big 1G, ESPN v. Fox correctly.

I am nervous because Cal has always managed to crush any bit of hope I have in the program.
calumnus
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calbear93 said:

sycasey said:

Cal/Furd are just in a different position than WSU/OSU. Much more likely to find another home in a power conference. Hence you will read less anger in their statements because they are trying not to tick anyone off.
WE may end up in the same position in the near future unless we can play the ACC vs. Big 1G, ESPN v. Fox correctly.

I am nervous because Cal has always managed to crush any bit of hope I have in the program.


I really hope some big money big time football loving Cal alum is stepping in to help Christ navigate this (and keep Knowlton far away).
tc3590
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I am hoping this may open up the administrations eye's a bit and force them to actually care about athletics a bit more.

I think before they were just content with being in the pac 12 conference but had no idea how fast things could change with media deals and what not. Hopefully now they will put a bit more money into athletics and be prepared for the next wave in 10 years.
sycasey
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calbear93 said:

sycasey said:

Cal/Furd are just in a different position than WSU/OSU. Much more likely to find another home in a power conference. Hence you will read less anger in their statements because they are trying not to tick anyone off.
WE may end up in the same position in the near future unless we can play the ACC vs. Big 1G, ESPN v. Fox correctly.

I am nervous because Cal has always managed to crush any bit of hope I have in the program.
Oh yes, Cal's athletic administration will always disappoint. But their history is also one of always managing to do the bare minimum to stave off complete disaster, so hopefully that will hold here.

Having Stanford and its resources/influence as a traveling partner also helps.
HearstMining
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sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

sycasey said:

Cal/Furd are just in a different position than WSU/OSU. Much more likely to find another home in a power conference. Hence you will read less anger in their statements because they are trying not to tick anyone off.
WE may end up in the same position in the near future unless we can play the ACC vs. Big 1G, ESPN v. Fox correctly.

I am nervous because Cal has always managed to crush any bit of hope I have in the program.
Oh yes, Cal's athletic administration will always disappoint. But their history is also one of always managing to do the bare minimum to stave off complete disaster, so hopefully that will hold here.

Having Stanford and its resources/influence as a traveling partner also helps.
Until Stanford, like USC and UCLA, concludes that it's time to dissolve the partnership.
sycasey
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HearstMining said:

sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

sycasey said:

Cal/Furd are just in a different position than WSU/OSU. Much more likely to find another home in a power conference. Hence you will read less anger in their statements because they are trying not to tick anyone off.
WE may end up in the same position in the near future unless we can play the ACC vs. Big 1G, ESPN v. Fox correctly.

I am nervous because Cal has always managed to crush any bit of hope I have in the program.
Oh yes, Cal's athletic administration will always disappoint. But their history is also one of always managing to do the bare minimum to stave off complete disaster, so hopefully that will hold here.

Having Stanford and its resources/influence as a traveling partner also helps.
Until Stanford, like USC and UCLA, concludes that it's time to dissolve the partnership.
Perhaps, but there is a reason USC wanted to move with UCLA and it's basically the same one for Stanford moving with Cal.
BarcaBear
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Call it the Flyover Conference, cuz you would be flying over all the nasty and boring af states in the Midwest and South. go to the game, then drive over to Myrtle Beach and enjoy your weekend.

as a sidenote, the conference landscape is going to dramatically change in the next ten years when the corporations realize that they are over paying for an archaic system. Oregon and UW couldn't see the future of the Apple deal. They chose stability now, by sacrificing stability later. People 40 and younger are increasingly watching streaming, and not legal streaming. I don't know anybody that watches these games who isn't using TOR or a VPN to watch these games for free.

all these media deals are grossly overinflated in value. The streaming services have upended Hollywood's studio model, and once Amazon and Apple take aim at college football everything will be reorganized. ESPN and FOX are not set up to compete in streaming against them, but they have 10 years to figure that out.
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“My tastes are simple; I am easily satisfied with the best.” - Winston Churchill
Econ141
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tc3590 said:

I am hoping this may open up the administrations eye's a bit and force them to actually care about athletics a bit more.

I think before they were just content with being in the pac 12 conference but had no idea how fast things could change with media deals and what not. Hopefully now they will put a bit more money into athletics and be prepared for the next wave in 10 years.


This is they key. Hope they wake up from this (assuming we get saved by the B1G) and get some people working in the dept that actually follow and are passionate about Cal football. This shouldn't be so hard with all the inherent advantages Cal has.
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Econ141 said:

tc3590 said:

I am hoping this may open up the administrations eye's a bit and force them to actually care about athletics a bit more.

I think before they were just content with being in the pac 12 conference but had no idea how fast things could change with media deals and what not. Hopefully now they will put a bit more money into athletics and be prepared for the next wave in 10 years.


This is they key. Hope they wake up from this (assuming we get saved by the B1G) and get some people working in the dept that actually follow and are passionate about Cal football. This shouldn't be so hard with all the inherent advantages Cal has.
bingo

we need to survive

and then hope that this is a wakeup call. Because we hv been pathetic
Trumpanzee
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Wouldn't that be something if we win the pac12 title the last season as a pac12 member....
DiabloWags
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Trumpanzee said:

Now I know how black holed swallow stars..... How does the NCAA allow a conference to just dissolve? Hard to believe the West Coast is not important, didn't USC and UCLA get poached? Who the F@#$ is running the NCAA....


There is no leadership at the NCAA.
Just a figure head.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
calumnus
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DiabloWags said:

Trumpanzee said:

Now I know how black holed swallow stars..... How does the NCAA allow a conference to just dissolve? Hard to believe the West Coast is not important, didn't USC and UCLA get poached? Who the F@#$ is running the NCAA....


There is no leadership at the NCAA.
Just a figure head.



The NCAA got slapped and warned by the US Supreme Court in a unicorn unanimous decision. They are not the ones to "regulate" the market, they can't, they have zero authority. It is a free market, though subject to the antitrust laws. If the actions of Fox/ESPN violated the Sherman Antitrust Act and caused any schools or a class (PAC-12 fans?) harm there can be a lawsuit with potential for treble damages. Or criminal prosecution by the DOJ or FTC.
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Trumpanzee
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calumnus said:

DiabloWags said:

Trumpanzee said:

Now I know how black holed swallow stars..... How does the NCAA allow a conference to just dissolve? Hard to believe the West Coast is not important, didn't USC and UCLA get poached? Who the F@#$ is running the NCAA....


There is no leadership at the NCAA.
Just a figure head.



The NCAA got slapped and warned by the US Supreme Court in a unicorn unanimous decision. They are not the ones to "regulate" the market, they can't, they have zero authority. It is a free market, though subject to the antitrust laws. If the actions of Fox/ESPN violated the Sherman Antitrust Act and caused any schools or a class (PAC-12 fans?) harm there can be a lawsuit with potential for treble damages. Or criminal prosecution by the DOJ or FTC.


Where do ai sign up for compensation for this mental anguish they are causing me?
calbear93
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Trumpanzee said:

calumnus said:

DiabloWags said:

Trumpanzee said:

Now I know how black holed swallow stars..... How does the NCAA allow a conference to just dissolve? Hard to believe the West Coast is not important, didn't USC and UCLA get poached? Who the F@#$ is running the NCAA....


There is no leadership at the NCAA.
Just a figure head.



The NCAA got slapped and warned by the US Supreme Court in a unicorn unanimous decision. They are not the ones to "regulate" the market, they can't, they have zero authority. It is a free market, though subject to the antitrust laws. If the actions of Fox/ESPN violated the Sherman Antitrust Act and caused any schools or a class (PAC-12 fans?) harm there can be a lawsuit with potential for treble damages. Or criminal prosecution by the DOJ or FTC.


Where do ai sign up for compensation for this mental anguish they are causing me?


As Cal fans, we would have a hard time demonstrating causation as opposed to a pre-existing condition.
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Trumpanzee said:

calumnus said:

DiabloWags said:

Trumpanzee said:

Now I know how black holed swallow stars..... How does the NCAA allow a conference to just dissolve? Hard to believe the West Coast is not important, didn't USC and UCLA get poached? Who the F@#$ is running the NCAA....


There is no leadership at the NCAA.
Just a figure head.



The NCAA got slapped and warned by the US Supreme Court in a unicorn unanimous decision. They are not the ones to "regulate" the market, they can't, they have zero authority. It is a free market, though subject to the antitrust laws. If the actions of Fox/ESPN violated the Sherman Antitrust Act and caused any schools or a class (PAC-12 fans?) harm there can be a lawsuit with potential for treble damages. Or criminal prosecution by the DOJ or FTC.


Where do ai sign up for compensation for this mental anguish they are causing me?


You will receive a discounted rate for Apple's Pac4 subscription
jdgaucho
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oski003 said:

Econ141 said:

BearHunter said:



The travel situation is definitely not ideal.


None of this makes sense. If Carol hasn't reached out to the B1G because of travel concerns, this is a non-starter.

No way she would sign up for this. And the ACC is dysfunctional right now. I reiterate - the B1G is the only viable option. Carol needs to figure it out or let's close down shop. No one here is going to watch Cal play in the MWC and we are the only fans left.


"If Carol hasn't reached out to the B1G because of travel concerns...".

All of your conclusions are based on an unproven statement in the second sentence, which you and Calalumnus have stated and implied over and over again the past week or so. Therefore, it certainly can make sense. Also, even if your premise is true, we may be able to go ACC for football and basketball only and, despite SactownDog being butthurt over Fresno State not offering wine doctorates (they apparently offer whine doctorates), may go to the Big West for other sports.


Doesn't work like that. If basketball is not put into the Big West, then none of your baseball, softball, soccer, volleyball will be included either.
DiabloWags
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jdgaucho said:

oski003 said:




"If Carol hasn't reached out to the B1G because of travel concerns...".

All of your conclusions are based on an unproven statement in the second sentence, which you and Calalumnus have stated and implied over and over again the past week or so. Therefore, it certainly can make sense. Also, even if your premise is true, we may be able to go ACC for football and basketball only and, despite SactownDog being butthurt over Fresno State not offering wine doctorates (they apparently offer whine doctorates), may go to the Big West for other sports.


Doesn't work like that. If basketball is not put into the Big West, then none of your baseball, softball, soccer, volleyball will be included either.

Bingo.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
calumnus
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DiabloWags said:

jdgaucho said:

oski003 said:




"If Carol hasn't reached out to the B1G because of travel concerns...".

All of your conclusions are based on an unproven statement in the second sentence, which you and Calalumnus have stated and implied over and over again the past week or so. Therefore, it certainly can make sense. Also, even if your premise is true, we may be able to go ACC for football and basketball only and, despite SactownDog being butthurt over Fresno State not offering wine doctorates (they apparently offer whine doctorates), may go to the Big West for other sports.


Doesn't work like that. If basketball is not put into the Big West, then none of your baseball, softball, soccer, volleyball will be included either.

Bingo.



Other than Hawaii, every single member of the Big West is a UC or CSU controlled by the State of California. I guarantee you that they will accept us on whatever level is best for us, maybe with a push from the Regents, the Governor and the Legislature, but absolutely. That is why the Big West is such a good option for our non-revenue sports. If we need to pull them out later, I am sure there will be no exit fees.
jdgaucho
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calumnus said:

DiabloWags said:

jdgaucho said:

oski003 said:




"If Carol hasn't reached out to the B1G because of travel concerns...".

All of your conclusions are based on an unproven statement in the second sentence, which you and Calalumnus have stated and implied over and over again the past week or so. Therefore, it certainly can make sense. Also, even if your premise is true, we may be able to go ACC for football and basketball only and, despite SactownDog being butthurt over Fresno State not offering wine doctorates (they apparently offer whine doctorates), may go to the Big West for other sports.


Doesn't work like that. If basketball is not put into the Big West, then none of your baseball, softball, soccer, volleyball will be included either.

Bingo.



Other than Hawaii, every single member of the Big West is a UC or CSU controlled by the State of California. I guarantee you that they will accept us on whatever level is best for us, maybe with a push from the Regents, but absolutely.


We'll see. Thanks for Andre Kelly though.

Fork over the Calimony and you're definitely golden with the Big West.
JimSox
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jdgaucho said:

calumnus said:

DiabloWags said:

jdgaucho said:

oski003 said:




"If Carol hasn't reached out to the B1G because of travel concerns...".

All of your conclusions are based on an unproven statement in the second sentence, which you and Calalumnus have stated and implied over and over again the past week or so. Therefore, it certainly can make sense. Also, even if your premise is true, we may be able to go ACC for football and basketball only and, despite SactownDog being butthurt over Fresno State not offering wine doctorates (they apparently offer whine doctorates), may go to the Big West for other sports.


Doesn't work like that. If basketball is not put into the Big West, then none of your baseball, softball, soccer, volleyball will be included either.

Bingo.



Other than Hawaii, every single member of the Big West is a UC or CSU controlled by the State of California. I guarantee you that they will accept us on whatever level is best for us, maybe with a push from the Regents, but absolutely.


We'll see. Thanks for Andre Kelly though.

Fork over the Calimony and you're definitely golden with the Big West.


Thanks but I think we may need that $$$
 
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