Rushinbear said:

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concernedparent said:

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TomBear said:

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What the eff does whether or not someone who likes Trump have to do with anything?

It's the same heat, whether you lean right, lean left, of haven't a clue. It's the same sun, same plastic rug, same kickoff time, and same desire to win.

Everyone is making a lot out of the heat that is not uncharacteristic for Texas. Teams play there on a regular basis. Cal has played in Tennessee, Mississippi, and N. Carolina and done just fine. It's about prep, expectations, and going out and doing business.

It would be nice if the weather cooled some. It would be nice if NTX had a grass field, and it would be nice if it were a night game. But it is what it is.

It's a little like teams having to travel to Minnesota, Green Bay or Buffalo in Dec. It's different. You just have to deal with it.

There will not be an asterisk by the "W" or "L" because it was hot. It will simply be a "W" or a "L". And that's all that's going to matter.

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It's called friendly banter, have you heard of it?

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BS. Friendly banter has a second side to it, an outlet for the comment. This was a chance to spread malice when you see that the recipient is merely a foil for multiplying the attack. Otherwise known as a shot.

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Listen here snowflake, it's a joke about the perceived (wrong) stereotypes about places. No need to be so sensitive.

concernedparent said:

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Rushinbear said:

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concernedparent said:

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TomBear said:

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What the eff does whether or not someone who likes Trump have to do with anything?

It's the same heat, whether you lean right, lean left, of haven't a clue. It's the same sun, same plastic rug, same kickoff time, and same desire to win.

Everyone is making a lot out of the heat that is not uncharacteristic for Texas. Teams play there on a regular basis. Cal has played in Tennessee, Mississippi, and N. Carolina and done just fine. It's about prep, expectations, and going out and doing business.

It would be nice if the weather cooled some. It would be nice if NTX had a grass field, and it would be nice if it were a night game. But it is what it is.

It's a little like teams having to travel to Minnesota, Green Bay or Buffalo in Dec. It's different. You just have to deal with it.

There will not be an asterisk by the "W" or "L" because it was hot. It will simply be a "W" or a "L". And that's all that's going to matter.

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It's called friendly banter, have you heard of it?

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BS. Friendly banter has a second side to it, an outlet for the comment. This was a chance to spread malice when you see that the recipient is merely a foil for multiplying the attack. Otherwise known as a shot.

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Listen here snowflake, it's a joke about the perceived (wrong) stereotypes about places. No need to be so sensitive.

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Then, why did you choose that subject? It didn't have a friendly molecule in it. You could have just as easily ridiculed the other side.

Rushinbear said:

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CNHTH said:

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TomBear said:

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What the eff does whether or not someone who likes Trump have to do with anything?

It's the same heat, whether you lean right, lean left, of haven't a clue. It's the same sun, same plastic rug, same kickoff time, and same desire to win.

Everyone is making a lot out of the heat that is not uncharacteristic for Texas. Teams play there on a regular basis. Cal has played in Tennessee, Mississippi, and N. Carolina and done just fine. It's about prep, expectations, and going out and doing business.

It would be nice if the weather cooled some. It would be nice if NTX had a grass field, and it would be nice if it were a night game. But it is what it is.

It's a little like teams having to travel to Minnesota, Green Bay or Buffalo in Dec. It's different. You just have to deal with it.

There will not be an asterisk by the "W" or "L" because it was hot. It will simply be a "W" or a "L". And that's all that's going to matter.

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It has everything to do with everything brosef.
The bmi of your average Denton, tx trumper subsisting on diet coke, McMuffins, and brisket with daily excercise which includes getting off the porch couch and grabbing another pbr, riding the handicap cart at Walmart, and shooting six packs of Budweiser products (damn trans people from Berkeley with their influencers)
Is
Clearly somewhere around 22.1
Meanwhile your average north Berkeley Nancy Pelosi elitist crowd funder subsisting on quinoa, kale, and wheat grass juice with daily exercise consisting of half marathons to grizzly peak and back with a small dose of protesting murica mixed in clearly has a bmi of like 237
Therefore,
Trumpers are in better shape to tolerate the heat.
Don't argue with the logic. It's undeniable.

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WTH are you doing? Why all the political and cultural attacks? Take your bile somewhere else.

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Jesus man!
The fact that you guys bawk at humor and more importantly that banter and irony are lost on you is actually quite sad.
Read what you've quoted one more time… Not one single thing I've said or the op has said would anyone ever be serious about. The fact that you think I'm serious about it or that I have any interest in arguing about it is bringing on a migraine.
Take life less seriously and it will begin to take you more seriously.
That's the advice.

CNHTH said:

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Rushinbear said:

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CNHTH said:

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TomBear said:

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What the eff does whether or not someone who likes Trump have to do with anything?

It's the same heat, whether you lean right, lean left, of haven't a clue. It's the same sun, same plastic rug, same kickoff time, and same desire to win.

Everyone is making a lot out of the heat that is not uncharacteristic for Texas. Teams play there on a regular basis. Cal has played in Tennessee, Mississippi, and N. Carolina and done just fine. It's about prep, expectations, and going out and doing business.

It would be nice if the weather cooled some. It would be nice if NTX had a grass field, and it would be nice if it were a night game. But it is what it is.

It's a little like teams having to travel to Minnesota, Green Bay or Buffalo in Dec. It's different. You just have to deal with it.

There will not be an asterisk by the "W" or "L" because it was hot. It will simply be a "W" or a "L". And that's all that's going to matter.

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It has everything to do with everything brosef.
The bmi of your average Denton, tx trumper subsisting on diet coke, McMuffins, and brisket with daily excercise which includes getting off the porch couch and grabbing another pbr, riding the handicap cart at Walmart, and shooting six packs of Budweiser products (damn trans people from Berkeley with their influencers)
Is
Clearly somewhere around 22.1
Meanwhile your average north Berkeley Nancy Pelosi elitist crowd funder subsisting on quinoa, kale, and wheat grass juice with daily exercise consisting of half marathons to grizzly peak and back with a small dose of protesting murica mixed in clearly has a bmi of like 237
Therefore,
Trumpers are in better shape to tolerate the heat.
Don't argue with the logic. It's undeniable.

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WTH are you doing? Why all the political and cultural attacks? Take your bile somewhere else.

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Jesus man!
The fact that you guys bawk at humor and more importantly that banter and irony are lost on you is actually quite sad.
Read what you've quoted one more time… Not one single thing I've said or the op has said would anyone ever be serious about. The fact that you think I'm serious about it or that I have any interest in arguing about it is bringing on a migraine.
Take life less seriously and it will begin to take you more seriously.
That's the advice.

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you crack me up. folks on here are wound up way too tight. they desperately need April 20th to roll around so they can roll up on campus.

CNHTH said:

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Rushinbear said:

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CNHTH said:

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TomBear said:

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What the eff does whether or not someone who likes Trump have to do with anything?

It's the same heat, whether you lean right, lean left, of haven't a clue. It's the same sun, same plastic rug, same kickoff time, and same desire to win.

Everyone is making a lot out of the heat that is not uncharacteristic for Texas. Teams play there on a regular basis. Cal has played in Tennessee, Mississippi, and N. Carolina and done just fine. It's about prep, expectations, and going out and doing business.

It would be nice if the weather cooled some. It would be nice if NTX had a grass field, and it would be nice if it were a night game. But it is what it is.

It's a little like teams having to travel to Minnesota, Green Bay or Buffalo in Dec. It's different. You just have to deal with it.

There will not be an asterisk by the "W" or "L" because it was hot. It will simply be a "W" or a "L". And that's all that's going to matter.

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It has everything to do with everything brosef.
The bmi of your average Denton, tx trumper subsisting on diet coke, McMuffins, and brisket with daily excercise which includes getting off the porch couch and grabbing another pbr, riding the handicap cart at Walmart, and shooting six packs of Budweiser products (damn trans people from Berkeley with their influencers)
Is
Clearly somewhere around 22.1
Meanwhile your average north Berkeley Nancy Pelosi elitist crowd funder subsisting on quinoa, kale, and wheat grass juice with daily exercise consisting of half marathons to grizzly peak and back with a small dose of protesting murica mixed in clearly has a bmi of like 237
Therefore,
Trumpers are in better shape to tolerate the heat.
Don't argue with the logic. It's undeniable.

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WTH are you doing? Why all the political and cultural attacks? Take your bile somewhere else.

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Jesus man!
The fact that you guys bawk at humor and more importantly that banter and irony are lost on you is actually quite sad.
Read what you've quoted one more time… Not one single thing I've said or the op has said would anyone ever be serious about. The fact that you think I'm serious about it or that I have any interest in arguing about it is bringing on a migraine.
Take life less seriously and it will begin to take you more seriously.
That's the advice.

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If you want to be a victim everything looks like a threat.

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I live in Fort Worth. The summer was brutal and dangerous - my elementary school kid was not allowed to have recess the first couple weeks of school - but I am not too concerned about the players. I assume they will have fans, wet towels and plenty of hydration. We also will be rotating players in and out.

My adult soccer league has been playing games through the heat and nobody has struggled too much. I realize we don't wear pads, but we're also 30 years older and not in as good of shape.

More importantly, although it will be brutal in the sun, it has actually cooled off a few degrees from the worst of the heat. It's an advantage for UNT, but it should not be a deciding factor.

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are you playing on grass or astroturf? that artificial surface absorbs heat and that can be brutal on the big guys.

climate change is going to impact the game in ways that teams aren't set up to deal with. those huge lineman are going to need more breaks, teams will need more depth to be able to rotate players. being young doesn't negate the impact of heat on your body especially when you are pushing 300 pounds. no body is designed to play on surfaces that are radiating 110+ degrees.

I know Deep South folks grow up experiencing high heat and humidity, but temperatures are climbing beyond what they are accustomed to. Time will tell, but I really hope no lives are lost while people realize they need to tear up the astroturf, put in grass fields, and start building roofs for their stadiums.

Barca, I think you got mixed up.......artificial surfaces reflect, not absorb, the heat. That's one of the reasons they're so miserable. I THINK you meant to say that but just got mixed up while you were typing?

Your last paragraph does provoke some thought though. Many of the SEC schools have ripped up their artificial surfaces and installed the new generation of natural grass surfaces. Among those schools are South Carolina, Alabama, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Texas (soon to be SEC), Oklahoma (soon to be SEC), Arkansas and Texas A&M. Interestingly Mizzou and Kentucky switched from grass to artificial, but I talked to someone the other day who says he thinks Kentucky may be having second thoughts. LSU and Georgia never switched away from natural grass.

TomBear said:

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Barca, I think you got mixed up.......artificial surfaces reflect, not absorb, the heat. That's one of the reasons they're so miserable. I THINK you meant to say that but just got mixed up while you were typing?

Your last paragraph does provoke some thought though. Many of the SEC schools have ripped up their artificial surfaces and installed the new generation of natural grass surfaces. Among those schools are South Carolina, Alabama, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Texas (soon to be SEC), Oklahoma (soon to be SEC), Arkansas and Texas A&M. Interestingly Mizzou and Kentucky switched from grass to artificial, but I talked to someone the other day who says he thinks Kentucky may be having second thoughts. LSU and Georgia never switched away from natural grass.

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sorry, but artificial surfaces absorb heat. synthetic materials retain heat. if its 100+ degrees outside I would choose to lay down on grass over plastic fibres any day. Grass releases water vapor in heat, and as we know, evaporation helps cooling as long as the ambient humidity level is not high. There is the potential danger with high humidity and extreme heat (what is referred to as wet bulb temperatures). But absent triple digit heat and high humidity, natural grass will cool itself naturally.

If you don't believe me, don't take my word for it, check out Penn State Center for Sports Surface Research
(on a complete nerd thing, how cool is it that Penn State has this research center!)

From research of there's I read a few years back, iirc, the hottest they ever recorded was like 20 years ago in Utah where a field got to 200 degrees.

Traditional, non filled astroturf back in the 1970's would create surface temperatures on average 50 degrees hotter than grass/dirt.

The synthetic material can't transfer the heat to the soil beneath to help disperse the heat. They also don't absorb water. It just traps the heat. That means that they begin to release intense amounts of heat while the ambient air is also getting hotter. That is why astroturf fields get blazing hot between ground level and knee height. Now, as far as I know, rubber infill is no longer an option.

The response to the heat dangers of sythnetic materials has been for companies to use infills that are usually made of highly absorbent natural fibres like hemp or something, so when they spray water on the field the fibres absorb a lot of water allowing for evaporation which aids in cooling, and helps reduce the heat, but they still don't compare to the ability of grass and dirt in reducing heat. a synthetic blade of grass retains more heat than a natural blade of grass

That's impressive info, Barca. I won't dispute it. I was basing my info on comments made a few years ago by players who complained that the heat reflects back up to them. But it may well be that those were anecdotal and not "scientific" responses. Also, I know that the artificial surface at Witter uses coconut shavings, and I wonder if that's indicative of new technology/designs that have changed the dynamic of the artificial surfaces.

Off the record......players still would rather be on grass, no matter.

I know people who have actually put artificial surfaces on their landscape. My experience was similar to yours.....no way I would want to lay on that stuff vs. grass.

TomBear said:

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That's impressive info, Barca. I won't dispute it. I was basing my info on comments made a few years ago by players who complained that the heat reflects back up to them. But it may well be that those were anecdotal and not "scientific" responses. Also, I know that the artificial surface at Witter uses coconut shavings, and I wonder if that's indicative of new technology/designs that have changed the dynamic of the artificial surfaces.

Off the record......players still would rather be on grass, no matter.

I know people who have actually put artificial surfaces on their landscape. My experience was similar to yours.....no way I would want to lay on that stuff vs. grass.

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The artificial turf trapping and then releasing heat that raises the ambient temperature sure feels like the heat is reflecting. I played on one in high school and it was miserable when it was hot and sunny. Then of course there's the greater risk of injury part too. I understand maintenance costs being difficult for high schools, JUCO, or FCS schools, but any serious college football program ought to be using real grass.

concernedparent said:

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TomBear said:

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That's impressive info, Barca. I won't dispute it. I was basing my info on comments made a few years ago by players who complained that the heat reflects back up to them. But it may well be that those were anecdotal and not "scientific" responses. Also, I know that the artificial surface at Witter uses coconut shavings, and I wonder if that's indicative of new technology/designs that have changed the dynamic of the artificial surfaces.

Off the record......players still would rather be on grass, no matter.

I know people who have actually put artificial surfaces on their landscape. My experience was similar to yours.....no way I would want to lay on that stuff vs. grass.

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The artificial turf trapping and then releasing heat that raises the ambient temperature sure feels like the heat is reflecting. I played on one in high school and it was miserable when it was hot and sunny. Then of course there's the greater risk of injury part too. I understand maintenance costs being difficult for high schools, JUCO, or FCS schools, but any serious college football program ought to be using real grass.

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i think we are all saying the same thing, but in nuanced ways. when I say absorb I don't mean it negates the heat, rather that it is storing all that energy so the temperature just keeps climbing and it could be described as reflecting. it's just pure misery radiating non-stop the temperature between the ground and knee height is brutal.

if that temperature climbs anywhere near 120 degrees then five minutes of exposure can cause 3rd degree burns. the hotter the surface gets, the less time is needed for a 3rd degree burn.

given the climbing temperatures due to climate change, i don't think anyone should be installing artificial turf, better to just have dirt.

Are our guys flying out today?

Yep.

Two factors that will be important:
1. Depth
2. Getting out to a lead early.