If the travel can be solved the ACC could be a fit

But I wanted to look at something

Acceptance Rate

GTech - 16%
UN C - 20%
Duke - 5.9%
Wake - 25%
Clemson - 43%
FSU - 36%

Oregon 81%
Washington 52%
Arizona -87%
Colorado - 84%

Cal/Furd is a better fit in the ACC

Looks like those Duke representatives are out at the high schools, encouraging lots of seniors to apply!

socaltownie said:

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If the travel can be solved the ACC could be a fit

But I wanted to look at something

Acceptance Rate

GTech - 16%
UN C - 20%
Duke - 5.9%
Wake - 25%
Clemson - 43%
FSU - 36%

Oregon 81%
Washington 52%
Arizona -87%
Colorado - 84%

Cal/Furd is a better fit in the ACC

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Interesting that you spared Arizona State (88%) and Utah (95%)

And Oregon State (89.2) and WSU (85.8).

Well said OP - another thing I like about the ACC, is that, on average, it is a weaker football conference than the P12. In the P12 our SOS rarely dipped below the top 10-20, both because the conference is tough, and also because we play 9 conference games every season. This year for example our SOS is #12. Last year we played 6 ranked teams, half our schedule. So a P12 5-7, or maybe even 4-8 Cal football team would have probably been a .500+ bowl eligible team in the ACC.

As well, as part of the ACC our BB recruiting should go up, we can sell local recruits on the prestige of playing Duke, UNC every year, they can play in the top league in front of their parents without leaving their home state.

Fingers crossed!

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Well said OP - another thing I like about the ACC, is that, on average, it is a weaker football conference than the P12. In the P12 our SOS rarely dipped below the top 10-20, both because the conference is tough, and also because we play 9 conference games every season. This year for example our SOS is #12. Last year we played 6 ranked teams, half our schedule. So a P12 5-7, or maybe even 4-8 Cal football team would have probably been a .500+ bowl eligible team in the ACC.

As well, as part of the ACC our BB recruiting should go up, we can sell local recruits on the prestige of playing Duke, UNC every year, they can play in the top league in front of their parents without leaving their home state.

Fingers crossed!

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All potential reasons why the ACC should not be approving the expansion without a significant increase in revenue.

socaltownie said:

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If the travel can be solved the ACC could be a fit

But I wanted to look at something

Acceptance Rate

GTech - 16%
UN C - 20%
Duke - 5.9%
Wake - 25%
Clemson - 43%
FSU - 36%

Oregon 81%
Washington 52%
Arizona -87%
Colorado - 84%

Cal/Furd is a better fit in the ACC

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Seriously? Who cares what the acceptance rate of a school you did not attend is? Why do you feel compelled to be exclusive, why is this a point of competition to you?

The acceptance rates of the colleges you play against in football and basketball has zero impact on your life, so why do you care?

My experience at Cal taught me to be accepting and open minded to all people, not look down on those that didnt get in.

golden sloth said:

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Seriously? Who cares what the acceptance rate of a school you did not attend is? Why do you feel compelled to be exclusive, why is this a point of competition to you?

The acceptance rates of the colleges you play against in football and basketball has zero impact on your life, so why do you care?

My experience at Cal taught me to be accepting and open minded to all people, not look down on those that didnt get in.

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This realignment talk must be getting to us because this takes the cake for overreacting.

The acceptance rate at UNC is so good their football players don't have to go to classes

Anarchistbear said:

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The acceptance rate at UNC is so good their football players don't have to go to classes

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On a related note, the acceptance rate at UNC is so low that Mack Brown wears kneepads when he meets with undergraduate admissions.

#somethingsneverchange

Who cares.

BearBoarBlarney said:

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golden sloth said:

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Seriously? Who cares what the acceptance rate of a school you did not attend is? Why do you feel compelled to be exclusive, why is this a point of competition to you?

The acceptance rates of the colleges you play against in football and basketball has zero impact on your life, so why do you care?

My experience at Cal taught me to be accepting and open minded to all people, not look down on those that didnt get in.

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This realignment talk must be getting to us because this takes the cake for overreacting.

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The snobbery that some of you guys have is ridiculous. I wonder how you adjusted to the real world after college, dealing with bosses from supposedly inferior schools with higher acceptance rates.

I like the ACC and have close family ties to both Duke and UNC. It is a long way away from Berkeley, but it has great universities.

In looking at a post above, I see that Oregon is listed as
an 81% acceptance rate. I did not know that, however I do know that their entering freshmen class in 2022 had an average high school GPA of 3.76 on scale of 4. So they get some scholars. Only half of that entering class was from Oregon. So it is fairly cosmopolitan despite being in an isolated state.

I think that Cal is unusually selective for a state university. However, we have not been very smart when it comes to athletic department management.
I hope that we can find a good solution to our predicament.

I'd love to get into the BIG and kind of keep a remanence of the PAC with six of our most historic rivals.

One additional note about Oregon, I went up to the World T&F Championships last summer. What a beautiful new track facility the renovated Hayward Field has become.! There were fans from around the world at the meet, and all were joined in their love of friendly competition. To see sports fans come together without an angry partisan aggression towards one another, makes me want to see more support for the Olympic sports among our NCAA fan bases. Unfortunately college Olympic sports are difficult to finance. I wish things were different.
Keep the faith.
Go Bears!

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BearBoarBlarney said:

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golden sloth said:

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Seriously? Who cares what the acceptance rate of a school you did not attend is? Why do you feel compelled to be exclusive, why is this a point of competition to you?

The acceptance rates of the colleges you play against in football and basketball has zero impact on your life, so why do you care?

My experience at Cal taught me to be accepting and open minded to all people, not look down on those that didnt get in.

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This realignment talk must be getting to us because this takes the cake for overreacting.

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The snobbery that some of you guys have is ridiculous. I wonder how you adjusted to the real world after college, dealing with bosses from supposedly inferior schools with higher acceptance rates.

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Isn't snobbery. It is to note that a source of tension for 40 plus years has been the gap between the academic qualifications of entering frosh at a selective univeristy like UC Berkeley and then _some_ of the academic profiles of revenue sports athletes. Those that hate athletics have used it time and time again to hammer the department - and we have seen its impact on the restrictions placed on admissions to scholarship athletes that at least one coach (Monty) has publically railed against.

This just ins't an issue at Zona, Oregon, Wassu, OSU, ASU, Colorado. The gap between the academic profile of their undergrads and their athletes just isn't that wide.

GOing to the ACC places Cal in a conference where most institutions are playing by _similar_ sets of internal rules. Georgia tech for out of state kids is probably MORE selective than Cal. One could argue that the results in the field demonstrate those challenges. Same for the Duksters in football.

socaltownie said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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BearBoarBlarney said:

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golden sloth said:

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Seriously? Who cares what the acceptance rate of a school you did not attend is? Why do you feel compelled to be exclusive, why is this a point of competition to you?

The acceptance rates of the colleges you play against in football and basketball has zero impact on your life, so why do you care?

My experience at Cal taught me to be accepting and open minded to all people, not look down on those that didnt get in.

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This realignment talk must be getting to us because this takes the cake for overreacting.

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The snobbery that some of you guys have is ridiculous. I wonder how you adjusted to the real world after college, dealing with bosses from supposedly inferior schools with higher acceptance rates.

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Isn't snobbery. It is to note that a source of tension for 40 plus years has been the gap between the academic qualifications of entering frosh at a selective univeristy like UC Berkeley and then _some_ of the academic profiles of revenue sports athletes. Those that hate athletics have used it time and time again to hammer the department - and we have seen its impact on the restrictions placed on admissions to scholarship athletes that at least one coach (Monty) has publically railed against.

This just ins't an issue at Zona, Oregon, Wassu, OSU, ASU, Colorado. The gap between the academic profile of their undergrads and their athletes just isn't that wide.

GOing to the ACC places Cal in a conference where most institutions are playing by _similar_ sets of internal rules. Georgia tech for out of state kids is probably MORE selective than Cal. One could argue that the results in the field demonstrate those challenges. Same for the Duksters in football.

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Don't schools like Texas and Michigan have high academic standards? Why can't we be more like them and less like the ACC schools that don't care about football?

I recently visited North Carolina and saw both the Duke and UNC stadiums, which looked more like a G5 school than any program that takes football seriously.

DoubtfulBear said:

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Don't schools like Texas and Michigan have high academic standards? Why can't we be more like them and less like the ACC schools that don't care about football?

I recently visited North Carolina and saw both the Duke and UNC stadiums, which looked more like a G5 school than any program that takes football seriously.

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While Duke's Wallace Wade Stadium is small and possibly G5-like, UNC's stadium seats over 50,000 and is probably among the prettiest college football stadiums in the nation. There is nothing G5-like about any of UNC's facilities. Side note: Mack Brown still wears kneepads.

https://goheels.com/news/2012/7/15/205498261.aspx

Yea you're right, I mixed it up with Dorrance Field since it's right next to the basketball arena.

I remember reading a game day program back in the early 1980's where they listed North Carolina's stadium and Memorial Stadium as the two best settings to watch a game.

DoubtfulBear said:

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Yea you're right, I mixed it up with Dorrance Field since it's right next to the basketball arena.

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And the basketball arena that Dorrance Field is next to is the old UNC hoops arena, Carmichael Gym, where Michael Jordan played. Carmichael had about 9,000 capacity, before UNC basketball moved to the far side of campus to the Dean Smith Center with 21,000+ seats. I think Carmichael might house volleyball nowadays.

Also, I didn't realize that Duke had renovated Wallace Wade Stadium and even that old place is looking pretty sharp these days and now seats 40,000. (Also hosted the 1942 Rose Bowl Game)

https://goduke.com/news/2022/10/11/facilities-game-operations-championships-duke-football-gameday-changes-for-north-carolina.aspx

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Don't schools like Texas and Michigan have high academic standards? Why can't we be more like them and less like the ACC schools that don't care about football?

I recently visited North Carolina and saw both the Duke and UNC stadiums, which looked more like a G5 school than any program that takes football seriously.

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While Duke's Wallace Wade Stadium is small and possibly G5-like, UNC's stadium seats over 50,000 and is probably among the prettiest college football stadiums in the nation. There is nothing G5-like about any of UNC's facilities. Side note: Mack Brown still wears kneepads.

https://goheels.com/news/2012/7/15/205498261.aspx

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Duke's football stadium may only hold 40,000 people, but its video screen is at least 3 times the size of the two in Memorial Stadium.

Some schools like UCLA use applications as a revenue stream so I have a hard time taking low acceptance rates as meaningful.

ninetyfourbear said:

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Some schools like UCLA use applications as a revenue stream so I have a hard time taking low acceptance rates as meaningful.

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That's a pretty unsubstantiated accusation, no? A brand-name school located in sunny southern California in the nation's most populous state gets a ton of applications from everywhere.

I don't love the Bruins either, but the school's popularity with applicants is likely just location, location, location.

Cal got more than 125K applications this year too, is our office of undergraduate admissions using applications as a revenue stream, or are high school seniors simply attracted to applying to the greatest university in the world?

BearBoarBlarney said:

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ninetyfourbear said:

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Some schools like UCLA use applications as a revenue stream so I have a hard time taking low acceptance rates as meaningful.

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That's a pretty unsubstantiated accusation, no? A brand-name school located in sunny southern California in the nation's most populous state gets a ton of applications from everywhere.

I don't love the Bruins either, but the school's popularity with applicants is likely just location, location, location.

Cal got more than 125K applications this year too, is our office of undergraduate admissions using applications as a revenue stream, or are high school seniors simply attracted to applying to the greatest university in the world?

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Then we are as well and even more reason to question acceptance rates as meaningful.

BearBoarBlarney said:

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ninetyfourbear said:

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Some schools like UCLA use applications as a revenue stream so I have a hard time taking low acceptance rates as meaningful.

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That's a pretty unsubstantiated accusation, no? A brand-name school located in sunny southern California in the nation's most populous state gets a ton of applications from everywhere.

I don't love the Bruins either, but the school's popularity with applicants is likely just location, location, location.

Cal got more than 125K applications this year too, is our office of undergraduate admissions using applications as a revenue stream, or are high school seniors simply attracted to applying to the greatest university in the world?

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Well, it was $10 million in revenue. I think that probably fully supports that office.

Texas 29
Michigan 21
T Osu 57% acceptance rate

DoubtfulBear said:

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BearBoarBlarney said:

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golden sloth said:

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Seriously? Who cares what the acceptance rate of a school you did not attend is? Why do you feel compelled to be exclusive, why is this a point of competition to you?

The acceptance rates of the colleges you play against in football and basketball has zero impact on your life, so why do you care?

My experience at Cal taught me to be accepting and open minded to all people, not look down on those that didnt get in.

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This realignment talk must be getting to us because this takes the cake for overreacting.

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The snobbery that some of you guys have is ridiculous. I wonder how you adjusted to the real world after college, dealing with bosses from supposedly inferior schools with higher acceptance rates.

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We showed them respect because they were our bosses. Then, it wasn't too, too long before we were their bosses.

Cal people: great, yet humble!

If we get in, collectively its a whew...but dang if I don't feel so bad for OSU and WSU. Maybe the Big 12 bails em out?

ninetyfourbear said:

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BearBoarBlarney said:

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ninetyfourbear said:

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Some schools like UCLA use applications as a revenue stream so I have a hard time taking low acceptance rates as meaningful.

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That's a pretty unsubstantiated accusation, no? A brand-name school located in sunny southern California in the nation's most populous state gets a ton of applications from everywhere.

I don't love the Bruins either, but the school's popularity with applicants is likely just location, location, location.

Cal got more than 125K applications this year too, is our office of undergraduate admissions using applications as a revenue stream, or are high school seniors simply attracted to applying to the greatest university in the world?

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Then we are as well and even more reason to question acceptance rates as meaningful.

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I agree with the premise of questioning the meaningfulness of acceptance rates, but I'm still not sure what that has to do with offhanded comments about college applications as a revenue stream.

MinotStateBeav said:

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If we get in, collectively its a whew...but dang if I don't feel so bad for OSU and WSU. Maybe the Big 12 bails em out?

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I think OSU and WSU will inherit the historic PAC shell and will will rebuild by absorbing the MWC or AAC. I predict OSU under Jonathan Smith will be in the CFP in 2024.

calumnus said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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If we get in, collectively its a whew...but dang if I don't feel so bad for OSU and WSU. Maybe the Big 12 bails em out?

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I think OSU and WSU will inherit the historic PAC shell and will will rebuild by absorbing the MWC or AAC. I predict OSU under Jonathan Smith will be in the CFP in 2024.

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Except we know whats going to really happen. Their funding is going to go to heck and their roster is going to bolt to other p5 places where they can. This is bad for them. In fact, Smith himself is going to be wanted very soon by the big boys.

MinotStateBeav said:

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calumnus said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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If we get in, collectively its a whew...but dang if I don't feel so bad for OSU and WSU. Maybe the Big 12 bails em out?

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I think OSU and WSU will inherit the historic PAC shell and will will rebuild by absorbing the MWC or AAC. I predict OSU under Jonathan Smith will be in the CFP in 2024.

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Except we know whats going to really happen. Their funding is going to go to heck and their roster is going to bolt to other p5 places where they can. This is bad for them. In fact, Smith himself is going to be wanted very soon by the big boys.

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That is definitely a possible scenario. Though note they may end up with as much money as Cal, at least initially. It will definitely be interesting to follow all of the former PAC-12 in their new homes to see how they do. The future is filled with uncertainty.

DoubtfulBear said:

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BearBoarBlarney said:

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golden sloth said:

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Seriously? Who cares what the acceptance rate of a school you did not attend is? Why do you feel compelled to be exclusive, why is this a point of competition to you?

The acceptance rates of the colleges you play against in football and basketball has zero impact on your life, so why do you care?

My experience at Cal taught me to be accepting and open minded to all people, not look down on those that didnt get in.

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This realignment talk must be getting to us because this takes the cake for overreacting.

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The snobbery that some of you guys have is ridiculous. I wonder how you adjusted to the real world after college, dealing with bosses from supposedly inferior schools with higher acceptance rates.

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bro, sounds like you had it really hard coming out of Cal. feel bad for you.
I went to Oxford for grad school, so the snobbery only got bigger. It's why I can never carpool, there is only enough room in the car for me and my ego.

socaltownie said:

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If the travel can be solved the ACC could be a fit

But I wanted to look at something

Acceptance Rate

GTech - 16%
UN C - 20%
Duke - 5.9%
Wake - 25%
Clemson - 43%
FSU - 36%

Oregon 81%
Washington 52%
Arizona -87%
Colorado - 84%

Cal/Furd is a better fit in the ACC

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Hit the nail on the head for why no one wants Cal.

The arrogant elitism of the fan base has restricted growth of the product to the point that B1G can own Bay Area TV with Oregon and UCLA.

This type of post is a great example of how Cal fans go out of their to show how disconnected Cal is from everyone around Cal.

BarcaBear said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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BearBoarBlarney said:

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golden sloth said:

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Seriously? Who cares what the acceptance rate of a school you did not attend is? Why do you feel compelled to be exclusive, why is this a point of competition to you?

The acceptance rates of the colleges you play against in football and basketball has zero impact on your life, so why do you care?

My experience at Cal taught me to be accepting and open minded to all people, not look down on those that didnt get in.

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This realignment talk must be getting to us because this takes the cake for overreacting.

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The snobbery that some of you guys have is ridiculous. I wonder how you adjusted to the real world after college, dealing with bosses from supposedly inferior schools with higher acceptance rates.

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bro, sounds like you had it really hard coming out of Cal. feel bad for you.
I went to Oxford for grad school, so the snobbery only got bigger. It's why I can never carpool, there is only enough room in the car for me and my ego.

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Is oxford trying to get a spot in B1G or ACC to play sportball?

LunchTime said:

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socaltownie said:

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If the travel can be solved the ACC could be a fit

But I wanted to look at something

Acceptance Rate

GTech - 16%
UN C - 20%
Duke - 5.9%
Wake - 25%
Clemson - 43%
FSU - 36%

Oregon 81%
Washington 52%
Arizona -87%
Colorado - 84%

Cal/Furd is a better fit in the ACC

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Hit the nail on the head for why no one wants Cal.

The arrogant elitism of the fan base has restricted growth of the product to the point that B1G can own Bay Area TV with Oregon and UCLA.

This type of post is a great example of how Cal fans go out of their to show how disconnected Cal is from everyone around Cal.

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Overreact much? I suppose you hate how the B1G greatly prefers (almost mandates) that its members be AAU?

Preferring to associate with schools with strong academics is not a Cal thing. No, it should not be the only or even primary consideration. But it can certainly be A consideration.