IMHO recruiting is heavily influenced by a conference regional presence and…
The ACC now has presence in…

1.) South Florida
2.) ATL
3.) DFW
4.) The Bay Area

That is. In my opinion. The greatest footprint for cfb recruiting by far of any other conference.
Before you think the Bay Area / NorCal region doesn't produce I challenge you with…
Name one other 150 mile radius that for 2022 NFL rosters produced more talent?
I'll say it again.
Oregon and Udubb will die performance wise from this.
Half of Oregon's roster is from Sac or the Bay, same with uDubb.
Now they have LA (and only LA) to fight over with 17 other Midwest teams who offer absolutely nothing from a recruiting perspective

Good points - so why is ACC in back-pedaling mode? When the media deal ends, let's say several of these teams are very strong - why couldnt the p2 be sec and ACC? What prevents that? The 10 years of payment differential?

CNHTH said:

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IMHO recruiting is heavily influenced by a conference regional presence and…
The ACC now has presence in…

1.) South Florida
2.) ATL
3.) DFW
4.) The Bay Area

That is. In my opinion. The greatest footprint for cfb recruiting by far of any other conference.
Before you think the Bay Area / NorCal region doesn't produce I challenge you with…
Name one other 150 mile radius that for 2022 NFL rosters produced more talent?
I'll say it again.
Oregon and Udubb will die performance wise from this.
Half of Oregon's roster is from Sac or the Bay, same with uDubb.
Now they have LA (and only LA) to fight over with 17 other Midwest teams who offer absolutely nothing from a recruiting perspective

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I believe there are areas of Florida or Texas of similar size that have produced more NFL talent. It seems to me that what you're really counting on is the ACC having a greater pull than the BIG which is questionable, at least for FB. For that matter, Oregon's appeal is driven as much (more?) by the Nike connection as conference affiliation.

From a recruiting perspective, the ACC was our best landing spot. Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, and South Carolina are now more open to us.

Econ141 said:

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Good points - so why is ACC in back-pedaling mode? When the media deal ends, let's say several of these teams are very strong - why couldnt the p2 be sec and ACC? What prevents that? The 10 years of payment differential?

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Good point.
I think it's just linear tv.
The problem is northern areas (the b1g) want their cake and to eat it. The problem is they don't actually have any cake. They have money to buy cake.
It's no secret that Ca, Fl, Tx have produced exponentially larger amounts of talent in outdoor sports like football and baseball whereas northern states like IL, NY, WA have produced massively larger amounts of talent in winter sports like basketball and hockey.
They (the b1g) are a paper dragon imho being intubated with fox dollars and interveneously hydrated with LA

59bear said:

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CNHTH said:

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IMHO recruiting is heavily influenced by a conference regional presence and…
The ACC now has presence in…

1.) South Florida
2.) ATL
3.) DFW
4.) The Bay Area

That is. In my opinion. The greatest footprint for cfb recruiting by far of any other conference.
Before you think the Bay Area / NorCal region doesn't produce I challenge you with…
Name one other 150 mile radius that for 2022 NFL rosters produced more talent?
I'll say it again.
Oregon and Udubb will die performance wise from this.
Half of Oregon's roster is from Sac or the Bay, same with uDubb.
Now they have LA (and only LA) to fight over with 17 other Midwest teams who offer absolutely nothing from a recruiting perspective

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I believe there are areas of Florida or Texas of similar size that have produced more NFL talent. It seems to me that what you're really counting on is the ACC having a greater pull than the BIG which is questionable, at least for FB. For that matter, Oregon's appeal is driven as much (more?) by the Nike connection as conference affiliation.

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2022 NFL QBs from within 150 of Berkeley
Josh Allen, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Jared Goff, Derek Carr
RBs
Najee Harris, Joe Mixon
WRs
Davante Adams plus about 10 others

I'll move on to Bakthiari, other lineman and d if you'd like

No other region can claim anything close to that level of talent

I like the optimism, and I'd add the DC area to your list of recruiting areas, but I do have three debbie downers for you:
1. These recruiting areas are shared with other conferences.
2. As Chip said, recruiting is more about NIL now a days.
3. SoCal still makes a ton of sense for recruiting and at the moment we dont play games down there.

golden sloth said:

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I like the optimism, and I'd add the DC area to your list of recruiting areas, but I do have three debbie downers for you:
1. These recruiting areas are shared with other conferences.
2. As Chip said, recruiting is more about NIL now a days.
3. SoCal still makes a ton of sense for recruiting and at the moment we dont play games down there.

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Maybe so but I'm an optimist and the anecdotals are that we had I think 3 commits from present ACC territory within a week of this announcement today. Which is why in my heart of hearts I knew this was happening but that's a different issue.

wc22 said:

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From a recruiting perspective, the ACC was our best landing spot. Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, and South Carolina are now more open to us.

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Our biggest hurdle in recruiting isn't national coverage, it's that we have an uninspiring HC that is unable to attract talent

DoubtfulBear said:

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wc22 said:

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From a recruiting perspective, the ACC was our best landing spot. Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, and South Carolina are now more open to us.

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Our biggest hurdle in recruiting isn't national coverage, it's that we have an uninspiring HC that is unable to attract talent

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I think the tell all will be how Madsen does now. This is perfect for him.
And I would've agreed with you on Wilcox before last night but after watching Jaydn describe Wilcox's recruitment of him I now disagree and I don't think it's so much that he's uninspiring, but more that he is… drum roll… APATHETIC
And doesn't go after big names.
Hearing Jaydn Ott rave about him and his pitch you'd think we'd have more Jaydn Otts
But therein lies the problem.
How would we have more Jaydn Otts if we don't recruit more Jaydn Otts

CNHTH said:

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IMHO recruiting is heavily influenced by a conference regional presence and…
The ACC now has presence in…

1.) South Florida
2.) ATL
3.) DFW
4.) The Bay Area

That is. In my opinion. The greatest footprint for cfb recruiting by far of any other conference.
Before you think the Bay Area / NorCal region doesn't produce I challenge you with…
Name one other 150 mile radius that for 2022 NFL rosters produced more talent?
I'll say it again.
Oregon and Udubb will die performance wise from this.
Half of Oregon's roster is from Sac or the Bay, same with uDubb.
Now they have LA (and only LA) to fight over with 17 other Midwest teams who offer absolutely nothing from a recruiting perspective

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It's not that cut and dried.
Transfer portal and NIL money has changed the game.

Oregon and uDub will have to invest their new found money into expanding their recruiting nationally, just like Stanford has done so for decades. I think the bigger problem for their recruiting is that they are going to struggle to put up wins like they did in the Pac-12.

Oregon used to crush recruiting in Northern California. That is going to change with the Big Whatever. We should try to play UCLA to maintain a footprint in southern California, but U$C can kick rocks.

BarcaBear said:

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CNHTH said:

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IMHO recruiting is heavily influenced by a conference regional presence and…
The ACC now has presence in…

1.) South Florida
2.) ATL
3.) DFW
4.) The Bay Area

That is. In my opinion. The greatest footprint for cfb recruiting by far of any other conference.
Before you think the Bay Area / NorCal region doesn't produce I challenge you with…
Name one other 150 mile radius that for 2022 NFL rosters produced more talent?
I'll say it again.
Oregon and Udubb will die performance wise from this.
Half of Oregon's roster is from Sac or the Bay, same with uDubb.
Now they have LA (and only LA) to fight over with 17 other Midwest teams who offer absolutely nothing from a recruiting perspective

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It's not that cut and dried.
Transfer portal and NIL money has changed the game.

Oregon and uDub will have to invest their new found money into expanding their recruiting nationally, just like Stanford has done so for decades. I think the bigger problem for their recruiting is that they are going to struggle to put up wins like they did in the Pac-12.

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I dont know why people are acting like the B1G is a big step up in quality. They have plenty of bad programs. The Pac-12's problem was always that they had too many good not great teams, and too few easy outs, which lead to parity, which lead to less playoff time.

The L.A. schools, Oregon, and Washington will continually pull top recruits from the Bay Area if they can shell out the money. I don't see large numbers of recruits from the Bay going to other ACC schools.

BearHunter said:

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The L.A. schools, Oregon, and Washington will continually pull top recruits from the Bay Area if they can shell out the money. I don't see large numbers of recruits from the Bay going to other ACC schools.

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Miami used to recruit the East bay pretty hard if memory serves correct and that's about it.
As for oregon and udubb I really don't think they will. I think there is a huge opportunity here to get them gone once and for all. Maybe not so much in sac but like I said earlier and maybe you'll disagree but kids aren't going to want to leave the Bay Area for oregon and udubb and add on no games in front of family to the fact that they're on the road that much more.
I mean Oregon has a 2 deep with 1 player from the state of oregon. 1! 11 or 12 from the Bay Area / Sac and the rest from Texas or Georgia. And udubb isn't that much different.
No way Oregon recruiting doesn't take a hit from this in my mind.

We don't need to play games in LA to help with recruiting. We need to raise a little more cash.

And I think we will still be able to get recruits from SoCal, just like we get non-athletes to come here: We're not too, too far from SoCal, we're a great school, in an area with great weather. "NIL them" and they will come!

golden sloth said:

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BarcaBear said:

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CNHTH said:

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IMHO recruiting is heavily influenced by a conference regional presence and…
The ACC now has presence in…

1.) South Florida
2.) ATL
3.) DFW
4.) The Bay Area

That is. In my opinion. The greatest footprint for cfb recruiting by far of any other conference.
Before you think the Bay Area / NorCal region doesn't produce I challenge you with…
Name one other 150 mile radius that for 2022 NFL rosters produced more talent?
I'll say it again.
Oregon and Udubb will die performance wise from this.
Half of Oregon's roster is from Sac or the Bay, same with uDubb.
Now they have LA (and only LA) to fight over with 17 other Midwest teams who offer absolutely nothing from a recruiting perspective

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It's not that cut and dried.
Transfer portal and NIL money has changed the game.

Oregon and uDub will have to invest their new found money into expanding their recruiting nationally, just like Stanford has done so for decades. I think the bigger problem for their recruiting is that they are going to struggle to put up wins like they did in the Pac-12.

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I dont know why people are acting like the B1G is a big step up in quality. They have plenty of bad programs. The Pac-12's problem was always that they had too many good not great teams, and too few easy outs, which lead to parity, which lead to less playoff time.

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the B1G has some weak teams, too. But take a closer look...who did these four ex-pac schools get out of playing? Arizona, ASU, Colorado, Oregon St. Washington St., Stanford, and Cal. seriously, think about it. We all know that any of these teams could beat them, but B1G has more elite teams.

They don't have to play Utah which owned them, but...now they replaced these teams with Ohio St., Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin. and the mid-tier B1G schools of Minnesota, Michigan St., Iowa, Illinois, Maryland are comparable to the rest of the Pac-12 teams.

The B1G inherited the Pac-12's problems of no easy outs. But that won't matter because the CFP is going to expand and basically favour a distorted SOS for the B1G and SEC.

CNHTH said:

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Now they have LA (and only LA) to fight over with 17 other Midwest teams who offer absolutely nothing from a recruiting perspective

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Ohio is solid but good luck prying any blue chip away from Ohio State.

That's exactly my point.
All those teams are established in their respective areas. Oregon just left its bread and butter.
How that affects them is yet to be seen but I can say that rewinding 20 years. The Denis dixons, Marcus maxwells, etc of the world would not have gone to oregon if Oregon didn't come to the bay once per year.

And even on this years' roster their best offensive player is from Palo Alto and best defender is from elk grove.
I know the knight thing factors still but so does being able to play in front of friends and family.
For every 1 Najee Harris / Joe Mixon who leaves the bay to play for bama there are 20 guys one star below them who have humbler dreams who end up at oregon or udubb and don't want to live that life.
I'm sure oregon will still pull in 5 stars but will they continue to pull in 3 and 4 stars from the bay? who are the meat and bones of their success imho. I'm sure a few but not the 75 percent of their roster which has been the status quo.

BarcaBear said:

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golden sloth said:

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BarcaBear said:

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CNHTH said:

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IMHO recruiting is heavily influenced by a conference regional presence and…
The ACC now has presence in…

1.) South Florida
2.) ATL
3.) DFW
4.) The Bay Area

That is. In my opinion. The greatest footprint for cfb recruiting by far of any other conference.
Before you think the Bay Area / NorCal region doesn't produce I challenge you with…
Name one other 150 mile radius that for 2022 NFL rosters produced more talent?
I'll say it again.
Oregon and Udubb will die performance wise from this.
Half of Oregon's roster is from Sac or the Bay, same with uDubb.
Now they have LA (and only LA) to fight over with 17 other Midwest teams who offer absolutely nothing from a recruiting perspective

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It's not that cut and dried.
Transfer portal and NIL money has changed the game.

Oregon and uDub will have to invest their new found money into expanding their recruiting nationally, just like Stanford has done so for decades. I think the bigger problem for their recruiting is that they are going to struggle to put up wins like they did in the Pac-12.

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I dont know why people are acting like the B1G is a big step up in quality. They have plenty of bad programs. The Pac-12's problem was always that they had too many good not great teams, and too few easy outs, which lead to parity, which lead to less playoff time.

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the B1G has some weak teams, too. But take a closer look...who did these four ex-pac schools get out of playing? Arizona, ASU, Colorado, Oregon St. Washington St., Stanford, and Cal. seriously, think about it. We all know that any of these teams could beat them, but B1G has more elite teams.

They don't have to play Utah which owned them, but...now they replaced these teams with Ohio St., Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin. and the mid-tier B1G schools of Minnesota, Michigan St., Iowa, Illinois, Maryland are comparable to the rest of the Pac-12 teams.

The B1G inherited the Pac-12's problems of no easy outs. But that won't matter because the CFP is going to expand and basically favour a distorted SOS for the B1G and SEC.

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Based on my 20 years of watching college football. I feel it lays out as follows:

My B1G rankings:

Tier 1 - Excellent:
Ohio state
Michigan
Penn state

Tier 2 - Good:
Wisconsin
Michigan st
Iowa

Tier 3 - Average:
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern (and I fully expect them to drop a tier in the next decade)

Tier 4 - Below Average:
Purdue
Maryland
Illinois

Tier 5 - Bad:
Rutgers
Indiana

My Pac-12 Rankings:
Tier 1 - Excellent:
USC
Oregon

Tier 2 - Good:
Washington
Utah
Ucla

Tier 3 - Average:
Arizona state
Oregon state
Cal
Stanford

Tier 4 - Below Average:
Colorado
Arizona
Washington state

Tier 5 - Bad:

I just dont see a huge difference in schedule strength.

golden sloth said:

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BarcaBear said:

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golden sloth said:

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BarcaBear said:

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CNHTH said:

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IMHO recruiting is heavily influenced by a conference regional presence and…
The ACC now has presence in…

1.) South Florida
2.) ATL
3.) DFW
4.) The Bay Area

That is. In my opinion. The greatest footprint for cfb recruiting by far of any other conference.
Before you think the Bay Area / NorCal region doesn't produce I challenge you with…
Name one other 150 mile radius that for 2022 NFL rosters produced more talent?
I'll say it again.
Oregon and Udubb will die performance wise from this.
Half of Oregon's roster is from Sac or the Bay, same with uDubb.
Now they have LA (and only LA) to fight over with 17 other Midwest teams who offer absolutely nothing from a recruiting perspective

---

It's not that cut and dried.
Transfer portal and NIL money has changed the game.

Oregon and uDub will have to invest their new found money into expanding their recruiting nationally, just like Stanford has done so for decades. I think the bigger problem for their recruiting is that they are going to struggle to put up wins like they did in the Pac-12.

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I dont know why people are acting like the B1G is a big step up in quality. They have plenty of bad programs. The Pac-12's problem was always that they had too many good not great teams, and too few easy outs, which lead to parity, which lead to less playoff time.

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the B1G has some weak teams, too. But take a closer look...who did these four ex-pac schools get out of playing? Arizona, ASU, Colorado, Oregon St. Washington St., Stanford, and Cal. seriously, think about it. We all know that any of these teams could beat them, but B1G has more elite teams.

They don't have to play Utah which owned them, but...now they replaced these teams with Ohio St., Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin. and the mid-tier B1G schools of Minnesota, Michigan St., Iowa, Illinois, Maryland are comparable to the rest of the Pac-12 teams.

The B1G inherited the Pac-12's problems of no easy outs. But that won't matter because the CFP is going to expand and basically favour a distorted SOS for the B1G and SEC.

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Based on my 20 years of watching college football. I feel it lays out as follows:

My B1G rankings:

Tier 1 - Excellent:
Ohio state
Michigan
Penn state

Tier 2 - Good:
Wisconsin
Michigan st
Iowa

Tier 3 - Average:
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern (and I fully expect them to drop a tier in the next decade)

Tier 4 - Below Average:
Purdue
Maryland
Illinois

Tier 5 - Bad:
Rutgers
Indiana

My Pac-12 Rankings:
Tier 1 - Excellent:
USC
Oregon

Tier 2 - Good:
Washington
Utah
Ucla

Tier 3 - Average:
Arizona state
Oregon state
Cal
Stanford

Tier 4 - Below Average:
Colorado
Arizona
Washington state

Tier 5 - Bad:

I just dont see a huge difference in schedule strength.

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you have ucla ranked too, high. that aside, you just strengthened my point.

even according to your views of how strong teams are, you didn't finish the comparison.

next step is for you to see that the B1G just added 4 teams out of the 5 of the 12 that you thought are top teams, while not adding a single mid level or low level team.

CNHTH said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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wc22 said:

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From a recruiting perspective, the ACC was our best landing spot. Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, and South Carolina are now more open to us.

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Our biggest hurdle in recruiting isn't national coverage, it's that we have an uninspiring HC that is unable to attract talent

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I think the tell all will be how Madsen does now. This is perfect for him.
And I would've agreed with you on Wilcox before last night but after watching Jaydn describe Wilcox's recruitment of him I now disagree and I don't think it's so much that he's uninspiring, but more that he is… drum roll… APATHETIC
And doesn't go after big names.
Hearing Jaydn Ott rave about him and his pitch you'd think we'd have more Jaydn Otts
But therein lies the problem.
How would we have more Jaydn Otts if we don't recruit more Jaydn Otts

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The prospective recruits HAVE TO HAVE THE GRADES and a commitment to ACTUALLY STUDY
That eliminates a lot of top talent

BarcaBear said:

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golden sloth said:

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BarcaBear said:

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golden sloth said:

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BarcaBear said:

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CNHTH said:

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IMHO recruiting is heavily influenced by a conference regional presence and…
The ACC now has presence in…

1.) South Florida
2.) ATL
3.) DFW
4.) The Bay Area

That is. In my opinion. The greatest footprint for cfb recruiting by far of any other conference.
Before you think the Bay Area / NorCal region doesn't produce I challenge you with…
Name one other 150 mile radius that for 2022 NFL rosters produced more talent?
I'll say it again.
Oregon and Udubb will die performance wise from this.
Half of Oregon's roster is from Sac or the Bay, same with uDubb.
Now they have LA (and only LA) to fight over with 17 other Midwest teams who offer absolutely nothing from a recruiting perspective

---

It's not that cut and dried.
Transfer portal and NIL money has changed the game.

Oregon and uDub will have to invest their new found money into expanding their recruiting nationally, just like Stanford has done so for decades. I think the bigger problem for their recruiting is that they are going to struggle to put up wins like they did in the Pac-12.

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I dont know why people are acting like the B1G is a big step up in quality. They have plenty of bad programs. The Pac-12's problem was always that they had too many good not great teams, and too few easy outs, which lead to parity, which lead to less playoff time.

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the B1G has some weak teams, too. But take a closer look...who did these four ex-pac schools get out of playing? Arizona, ASU, Colorado, Oregon St. Washington St., Stanford, and Cal. seriously, think about it. We all know that any of these teams could beat them, but B1G has more elite teams.

They don't have to play Utah which owned them, but...now they replaced these teams with Ohio St., Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin. and the mid-tier B1G schools of Minnesota, Michigan St., Iowa, Illinois, Maryland are comparable to the rest of the Pac-12 teams.

The B1G inherited the Pac-12's problems of no easy outs. But that won't matter because the CFP is going to expand and basically favour a distorted SOS for the B1G and SEC.

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Based on my 20 years of watching college football. I feel it lays out as follows:

My B1G rankings:

Tier 1 - Excellent:
Ohio state
Michigan
Penn state

Tier 2 - Good:
Wisconsin
Michigan st
Iowa

Tier 3 - Average:
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern (and I fully expect them to drop a tier in the next decade)

Tier 4 - Below Average:
Purdue
Maryland
Illinois

Tier 5 - Bad:
Rutgers
Indiana

My Pac-12 Rankings:
Tier 1 - Excellent:
USC
Oregon

Tier 2 - Good:
Washington
Utah
Ucla

Tier 3 - Average:
Arizona state
Oregon state
Cal
Stanford

Tier 4 - Below Average:
Colorado
Arizona
Washington state

Tier 5 - Bad:

I just dont see a huge difference in schedule strength.

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you have ucla ranked too, high. that aside, you just strengthened my point.

even according to your views of how strong teams are, you didn't finish the comparison.

next step is for you to see that the B1G just added 4 teams out of the 5 of the 12 that you thought are top teams, while not adding a single mid level or low level team.

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First, don't be a condescending *****.

Second, you are still wrong. Right now, USC, Oregon, Washington and UCLA are in a conference where 42% of the conference is good or excellent, after they will join the the B1G they will be in a conference where 56% of the conference is good or excellent. Not a huge difference. Further this difference is partially offset by the fact that the B1G has some truly terrible teams, which the Pac did not.

CNHTH said:

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59bear said:

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CNHTH said:

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IMHO recruiting is heavily influenced by a conference regional presence and…
The ACC now has presence in…

1.) South Florida
2.) ATL
3.) DFW
4.) The Bay Area

That is. In my opinion. The greatest footprint for cfb recruiting by far of any other conference.
Before you think the Bay Area / NorCal region doesn't produce I challenge you with…
Name one other 150 mile radius that for 2022 NFL rosters produced more talent?
I'll say it again.
Oregon and Udubb will die performance wise from this.
Half of Oregon's roster is from Sac or the Bay, same with uDubb.
Now they have LA (and only LA) to fight over with 17 other Midwest teams who offer absolutely nothing from a recruiting perspective

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I believe there are areas of Florida or Texas of similar size that have produced more NFL talent. It seems to me that what you're really counting on is the ACC having a greater pull than the BIG which is questionable, at least for FB. For that matter, Oregon's appeal is driven as much (more?) by the Nike connection as conference affiliation.

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2022 NFL QBs from within 150 of Berkeley
Josh Allen, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Jared Goff, Derek Carr
RBs
Najee Harris, Joe Mixon
WRs
Davante Adams plus about 10 others

I'll move on to Bakthiari, other lineman and d if you'd like

No other region can claim anything close to that level of talent

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"Not even close" is a bit hyperbolic. Florida and Texas both surpass California in NFL numbers by a fair margin though the size of Texas may work against any 150 mile radius test. I haven't sifted through player profiles (and won't) but I'm still sticking with SE Fla,and I'll also suggest that there are more NFLers from within 150 miles of LA than from the Bay Area.

golden sloth said:

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BarcaBear said:

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golden sloth said:

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BarcaBear said:

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golden sloth said:

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BarcaBear said:

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CNHTH said:

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IMHO recruiting is heavily influenced by a conference regional presence and…
The ACC now has presence in…

1.) South Florida
2.) ATL
3.) DFW
4.) The Bay Area

That is. In my opinion. The greatest footprint for cfb recruiting by far of any other conference.
Before you think the Bay Area / NorCal region doesn't produce I challenge you with…
Name one other 150 mile radius that for 2022 NFL rosters produced more talent?
I'll say it again.
Oregon and Udubb will die performance wise from this.
Half of Oregon's roster is from Sac or the Bay, same with uDubb.
Now they have LA (and only LA) to fight over with 17 other Midwest teams who offer absolutely nothing from a recruiting perspective

---

It's not that cut and dried.
Transfer portal and NIL money has changed the game.

Oregon and uDub will have to invest their new found money into expanding their recruiting nationally, just like Stanford has done so for decades. I think the bigger problem for their recruiting is that they are going to struggle to put up wins like they did in the Pac-12.

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I dont know why people are acting like the B1G is a big step up in quality. They have plenty of bad programs. The Pac-12's problem was always that they had too many good not great teams, and too few easy outs, which lead to parity, which lead to less playoff time.

---

the B1G has some weak teams, too. But take a closer look...who did these four ex-pac schools get out of playing? Arizona, ASU, Colorado, Oregon St. Washington St., Stanford, and Cal. seriously, think about it. We all know that any of these teams could beat them, but B1G has more elite teams.

They don't have to play Utah which owned them, but...now they replaced these teams with Ohio St., Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin. and the mid-tier B1G schools of Minnesota, Michigan St., Iowa, Illinois, Maryland are comparable to the rest of the Pac-12 teams.

The B1G inherited the Pac-12's problems of no easy outs. But that won't matter because the CFP is going to expand and basically favour a distorted SOS for the B1G and SEC.

---

Based on my 20 years of watching college football. I feel it lays out as follows:

My B1G rankings:

Tier 1 - Excellent:
Ohio state
Michigan
Penn state

Tier 2 - Good:
Wisconsin
Michigan st
Iowa

Tier 3 - Average:
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern (and I fully expect them to drop a tier in the next decade)

Tier 4 - Below Average:
Purdue
Maryland
Illinois

Tier 5 - Bad:
Rutgers
Indiana

My Pac-12 Rankings:
Tier 1 - Excellent:
USC
Oregon

Tier 2 - Good:
Washington
Utah
Ucla

Tier 3 - Average:
Arizona state
Oregon state
Cal
Stanford

Tier 4 - Below Average:
Colorado
Arizona
Washington state

Tier 5 - Bad:

I just dont see a huge difference in schedule strength.

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you have ucla ranked too, high. that aside, you just strengthened my point.

even according to your views of how strong teams are, you didn't finish the comparison.

next step is for you to see that the B1G just added 4 teams out of the 5 of the 12 that you thought are top teams, while not adding a single mid level or low level team.

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First, don't be a condescending *****.

Second, you are still wrong. Right now, USC, Oregon, Washington and UCLA are in a conference where 42% of the conference is good or excellent, after they will join the the B1G they will be in a conference where 56% of the conference is good or excellent. Not a huge difference. Further this difference is partially offset by the fact that the B1G has some truly terrible teams, which the Pac did not.

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don't get all riled up because I pointed out that you didn't finish your analysis. talk about being a ********. you broke down both conferences as though the bottom of the Pac-12 washes out with the B1G. thats nonsense.

the B1G just added 4 of the top teams from the former Pac-12 and you are somehow thinking that the B1G didn't just get harder. You couldn't be any more wrong.

Pay attention to your own breakdown!

According to your own analysis USC, UCLA, Oregon, and uDub used to play 7 average or below average teams. and now they got rid of the bottom 7 teams and replaced them with 8 average or below average teams and 6 great teams from the B1G. crack open a beer and look at your own breakdown.

California Swag will prevail along with our Chemistry and Oppenheimer Departments. Oh and Swimming!

b1g is a p2 conference. Pac10 was a plus 3 conference.

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b1g is a p2 conference. Pac10 was a plus 3 conference.

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Awesome but where do their recruits come from?
Who the **** wants to move further North,
That's a pastime for overweight ginger beards who have gun fetishes. Not high school athletes

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Bobodeluxe said:

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b1g is a p2 conference. Pac10 was a plus 3 conference.

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Awesome but where do their recruits come from?
Who the **** wants to move further North,
That's a pastime for overweight ginger beards who have gun fetishes. Not high school athletes

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$ talks.

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CNHTH said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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b1g is a p2 conference. Pac10 was a plus 3 conference.

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Awesome but where do their recruits come from?
Who the **** wants to move further North,
That's a pastime for overweight ginger beards who have gun fetishes. Not high school athletes

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$ talks.

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I don't disagree
It's just that.
We have more of it.
So why are/were we losing?
500 mil or so via light the way
42 mil a year or so ago
All of those supposedly to athletics exclusively. Those numbers dwarf even an Alabama.
Yet here we are
We shouldn't be in anything even remotely close to this position.
We should be able to recruit and play better.
The guy who many consider to be the best all around player in the country is from 30 miles away yet he is lighting it up at Georgia.
The guy who many considered to be the best qb in cfb a few years back was from 30 away as well and yet he was at Nevada lighting it up.
We really gotta do better in our own backyard.
This is as talent rich an area as there is.

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From a recruiting perspective, the ACC was our best landing spot. Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, and South Carolina are now more open to us.

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Our biggest hurdle in recruiting isn't national coverage, it's that we have an uninspiring HC that is unable to attract talent

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I think the tell all will be how Madsen does now. This is perfect for him.
And I would've agreed with you on Wilcox before last night but after watching Jaydn describe Wilcox's recruitment of him I now disagree and I don't think it's so much that he's uninspiring, but more that he is… drum roll… APATHETIC
And doesn't go after big names.
Hearing Jaydn Ott rave about him and his pitch you'd think we'd have more Jaydn Otts
But therein lies the problem.
How would we have more Jaydn Otts if we don't recruit more Jaydn Otts

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Madsen will be cooking with gas in this new world

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CNHTH said:

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wc22 said:

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From a recruiting perspective, the ACC was our best landing spot. Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, and South Carolina are now more open to us.

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Our biggest hurdle in recruiting isn't national coverage, it's that we have an uninspiring HC that is unable to attract talent

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I think the tell all will be how Madsen does now. This is perfect for him.
And I would've agreed with you on Wilcox before last night but after watching Jaydn describe Wilcox's recruitment of him I now disagree and I don't think it's so much that he's uninspiring, but more that he is… drum roll… APATHETIC
And doesn't go after big names.
Hearing Jaydn Ott rave about him and his pitch you'd think we'd have more Jaydn Otts
But therein lies the problem.
How would we have more Jaydn Otts if we don't recruit more Jaydn Otts

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Madsen will be cooking with gas in this new world

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Especially if the 100 million dollar practice facility he was touting comes to fruition.
Unfortunately in current Bay Area dollars that only buys us a collapsible trailer tent in people's park