ASU has decent defense. It will be a struggle.

They just got shut out last night by Fresno St. Fresno might be really good but I don't see their offense beating our defense.

Fresno made 5 field goals. Can we?

thoughts on when we will know?

I think the TV guys announce the game times on Monday before noon.

My guess: Game time of 3 pm or 6 pm on P12N.

Jordan Rashada out 4-6 weeks, backup also hurt. We should win this easily

Watched the game of MY alma mater, the Bulldogs, and they gladly accepted 8 turnovers... none of which resulted in touchdowns. Fresno St. is good, solid on both sides of the ball. ASU, with it's new coach has great players on defense, but were playing their 4th string QB after halftime. Offense was non-existent. Undoubtedly, they will change game plans and Won't be coughing up the ball endlessly as happend Sat nite, but a good defense and potent offense, as Cal appears to have, should win that game w/out much drama.

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Watched the game of MY alma mater, the Bulldogs, and they gladly accepted 8 turnovers... none of which resulted in touchdowns. Fresno St. is good, solid on both sides of the ball. ASU, with it's new coach has great players on defense, but were playing their 4th string QB after halftime. Offense was non-existent. Undoubtedly, they will change game plans and Won't be coughing up the ball endlessly as happend Sat nite, but a good defense and potent offense, as Cal appears to have, should win that game w/out much drama.

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@scottski -- Congrats to Kate and her meteoric career path. First win as the Seahawks PBP broadcaster? Too bad it had to be at the hands of Jared Goff, Marvin Jones and the Detroit Lions.

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That was a top notch preview of a future playoff game.

Confirmed at 12. PAC 12 network again. Interesting that USC-Colorado will be at 9 AM that day.

https://pac-12.com/football/schedule/20230925-20231001

Decent game time and probably the most winnable game left on the schedule.

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Confirmed at 12. PAC 12 network again. Interesting that USC-Colorado will be at 9 AM that day.

https://pac-12.com/football/schedule/20230925-20231001

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9:00 am start time? If that were a home game, I'd be livid. I dont mind it for an away game, but these ridiculous start times are killing the gameday experience. How do you build a gameday experience when the game kicks off that early in the morning? How are you supposed to woo and glad hand the alumni when there is no party beforehand? Of course Fox probably wants that, as it makes the schools more reliant/dependent on TV money and they want as much power and control as they can obtain, regardless of the downstream impacts to the schools.

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Confirmed at 12. PAC 12 network again. Interesting that USC-Colorado will be at 9 AM that day.

https://pac-12.com/football/schedule/20230925-20231001

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Of course Fox probably wants that, as it makes the schools more reliant/dependent on TV money and they want as much power and control as they can obtain, regardless of the downstream impacts to the schools.

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sure blame TV for fans desire for more and more essentially pro football, the consumers are ruining this, not the media, the media only gives the masses what they want

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Confirmed at 12. PAC 12 network again. Interesting that USC-Colorado will be at 9 AM that day.

https://pac-12.com/football/schedule/20230925-20231001

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That's 10am CO time.

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Confirmed at 12. PAC 12 network again. Interesting that USC-Colorado will be at 9 AM that day.

https://pac-12.com/football/schedule/20230925-20231001

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Of course Fox probably wants that, as it makes the schools more reliant/dependent on TV money and they want as much power and control as they can obtain, regardless of the downstream impacts to the schools.

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sure blame TV for fans desire for more and more essentially pro football, the consumers are ruining this, not the media, the media only gives the masses what they want

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There are two consumers, the TV viewer and the at-the-game fan. Fox is only working to maximize the TV viewer, to the detriment of the in-game fan.

Ideally, you would want the schools and TV network to be able to form a good faith partnership and find a healthy balance between the two consumer types, but fox does not want that. They want to maximize only the TV viewer consumer which hurts the at-the-game consumer. This hurts the school as attendance will shrink (as is happening across college football), which means less money and less investment, which means a worse product. So it's not the consumers, it's Fox catering to only a portion of the consumers, and not caring about damaging the rest of the sport.

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Confirmed at 12. PAC 12 network again. Interesting that USC-Colorado will be at 9 AM that day.

https://pac-12.com/football/schedule/20230925-20231001

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Of course Fox probably wants that, as it makes the schools more reliant/dependent on TV money and they want as much power and control as they can obtain, regardless of the downstream impacts to the schools.

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sure blame TV for fans desire for more and more essentially pro football, the consumers are ruining this, not the media, the media only gives the masses what they want

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There are two consumers, the TV viewer and the at-the-game fan. Fox is only working to maximize the TV viewer, to the detriment of the in-game fan.

Ideally, you would want the schools and TV network to be able to form a good faith partnership and find a healthy balance between the two consumer types, but fox does not want that. They want to maximize only the TV viewer consumer which hurts the at-the-game consumer. This hurts the school as attendance will shrink (as is happening across college football), which means less money and less investment, which means a worse product. So it's not the consumers, it's Fox catering to only a portion of the consumers, and not caring about damaging the rest of the sport.

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I wonder if the B1G defectors (USC/UCLA/Oregon/Washington) are going to find themselves playing 9am home games as well. It will be interesting to watch. Seems like Fox will push this more than ESPN.

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Ideally, you would want the schools and TV network to be able to form a good faith partnership and find a healthy balance between the two consumer types, but fox does not want that. They want to maximize only the TV viewer consumer which hurts the at-the-game consumer. This hurts the school as attendance will shrink (as is happening across college football), which means less money and less investment, which means a worse product. So it's not the consumers, it's Fox catering to only a portion of the consumers, and not caring about damaging the rest of the sport.

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Fox wants to give the viewers what they want, just as all the other media does, methinks you are after fox because they don't share your political beliefs ..

the masses want semi pro football 24/7 and the media will do their best to give it to them

using the word "ideally" indicates you are very naive

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Confirmed at 12. PAC 12 network again. Interesting that USC-Colorado will be at 9 AM that day.

https://pac-12.com/football/schedule/20230925-20231001

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Of course Fox probably wants that, as it makes the schools more reliant/dependent on TV money and they want as much power and control as they can obtain, regardless of the downstream impacts to the schools.

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sure blame TV for fans desire for more and more essentially pro football, the consumers are ruining this, not the media, the media only gives the masses what they want

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There are two consumers, the TV viewer and the at-the-game fan. Fox is only working to maximize the TV viewer, to the detriment of the in-game fan.

Ideally, you would want the schools and TV network to be able to form a good faith partnership and find a healthy balance between the two consumer types, but fox does not want that. They want to maximize only the TV viewer consumer which hurts the at-the-game consumer. This hurts the school as attendance will shrink (as is happening across college football), which means less money and less investment, which means a worse product. So it's not the consumers, it's Fox catering to only a portion of the consumers, and not caring about damaging the rest of the sport.

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Fox is catering only to short term interests. They have no interest in preserving the long game and are making that abundantly clear with all of their decisions.

Empty stadiums don't look so great on TV...and will absolutely effect the TV product long term (not to mention killing the sport driving the fans away).

Short term monetary gain, long term destruction of the sport. Too bad Fox won't be around in its present form to reap what it is sewing.

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Ideally, you would want the schools and TV network to be able to form a good faith partnership and find a healthy balance between the two consumer types, but fox does not want that. They want to maximize only the TV viewer consumer which hurts the at-the-game consumer. This hurts the school as attendance will shrink (as is happening across college football), which means less money and less investment, which means a worse product. So it's not the consumers, it's Fox catering to only a portion of the consumers, and not caring about damaging the rest of the sport.

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Fox wants to give the viewers what they want, just as all the other media does, methinks you are after fox because they don't share your political beliefs ..

the masses want semi pro football 24/7 and the media will do their best to give it to them

using the word "ideally" indicates you are very naive

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Please dont assume you know my political beliefs and project on to me stuff that is not there. I make a conscious effort to not infuse a football board with politics, I believe in the ideal of keeping the two separate

Fox has made a conscious effort to kill Cal football. They were a lead instigator in breaking up the Pac-12 and a dominant reason why the B1G refused to invite Cal.

Claiming they want 24/7 football because that is what the fans want is wrong, because Colorado - USC are playing in a time slot where 30+ other games can easily be played. There is no reason that Fox should force USC and Colorado to play at that time as they have plenty of other options.

And no, saying ideally in a business sense is not naive. The best partnerships are long-lasting mutually beneficial partnerships. Not one where one party tries to hurt the other, that is what Fox is trying to do here.

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Fox has made a conscious effort to kill Cal football. They were a lead instigator in breaking up the Pac-12 and a dominant reason why the B1G refused to invite Cal.

Claiming they want 24/7 football because that is what the fans want is wrong, because Colorado - USC are playing in a time slot where 30+ other games can easily be played. There is no reason that Fox should force USC and Colorado to play at that time as they have plenty of other options.

And no, saying ideally in a business sense is not naive. The best partnerships are long-lasting mutually beneficial partnerships. Not one where one party tries to hurt the other, that is what Fox is trying to do here.

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I am impressed, you really believe that Fox is out to get Cal ... I doubt that Cal is even mentioned much in conversations as Cal football is pretty much irrelevant and has been for years (much to my sorrow)

people still go to live performance if the product is worthy (see taylor swift tour), but when Cal puts out a mediocre product backed by a sort of don't care admin led by an ineffectual AD we are and will not be relevanty and will have to suck hind teat until changes are made

if we had had the success of the southern branch and they had our lack of success things would have been very different, but as I used to lament with one of my girlfriends "the only problem with reality is that it is too real"

I don't think Fox cares about Cal specifically (and the politics of the news side are going to be entirely separate from the sports side). I do agree that their decisions are entirely short-term with no mind paid to the long-term health of the sport.

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Claiming they want 24/7 football because that is what the fans want is wrong, because Colorado - USC are playing in a time slot where 30+ other games can easily be played. There is no reason that Fox should force USC and Colorado to play at that time as they have plenty of other options.

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I agree that Fox is only using college football for short term gain.

But, in the case of the USC-CU game, Fox has good reason to put the game in that time slot. Other than the 10:30 pm ET/7:30 pm PT time slot, 12 noon ET has the weakest competition and thus Fox is likely to get a larger audience for the game in that time slot than in any other.

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Fox has made a conscious effort to kill Cal football. They were a lead instigator in breaking up the Pac-12 and a dominant reason why the B1G refused to invite Cal.

Claiming they want 24/7 football because that is what the fans want is wrong, because Colorado - USC are playing in a time slot where 30+ other games can easily be played. There is no reason that Fox should force USC and Colorado to play at that time as they have plenty of other options.

And no, saying ideally in a business sense is not naive. The best partnerships are long-lasting mutually beneficial partnerships. Not one where one party tries to hurt the other, that is what Fox is trying to do here.

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I am impressed, you really believe that Fox is out to get Cal ... I doubt that Cal is even mentioned much in conversations as Cal football is pretty much irrelevant and has been for years (much to my sorrow)

people still go to live performance if the product is worthy (see taylor swift tour), but when Cal puts out a mediocre product backed by a sort of don't care admin led by an ineffectual AD we are and will not be relevanty and will have to suck hind teat until changes are made

if we had had the success of the southern branch and they had our lack of success things would have been very different, but as I used to lament with one of my girlfriends "the only problem with reality is that it is too real"

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Fox has definitely been asked about Cal being in the B1G, and they said no. That 'no' decision was conscious, and the repercussions are immense and killing Cal football, to where Cal now has to take a massive pay cut and be at a competitive disadvantage to play in the ACC.

Taylor Swift is not relevant here, that is a dumb analogy.

The relevant question is whether or not Fox is hurting the college game by scheduling game times at horribly inconvenient times (aka 10:00 am). The answer is yes, it is Fox's decision alone, it only helps themselves to the detriment of the schools and attendance, and they are being a bad partner when they schedule games at this time.

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Claiming they want 24/7 football because that is what the fans want is wrong, because Colorado - USC are playing in a time slot where 30+ other games can easily be played. There is no reason that Fox should force USC and Colorado to play at that time as they have plenty of other options.

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I agree that Fox is only using college football for short term gain.

But, in the case of the USC-CU game, Fox has good reason to put the game in that time slot. Other than the 10:30 pm ET/7:30 pm PT time slot, 12 noon ET has the weakest competition and thus Fox is likely to get a larger audience for the game in that time slot than in any other.

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And that decision hurts the school and the community by preventing the pre-game party and festivities, where the school can socialize with donors, and kids can play at the fun zones and build the next generation of fans.

Fox is maximizing their own self-interest while hurting their partner, which is my point.

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Claiming they want 24/7 football because that is what the fans want is wrong, because Colorado - USC are playing in a time slot where 30+ other games can easily be played. There is no reason that Fox should force USC and Colorado to play at that time as they have plenty of other options.

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I agree that Fox is only using college football for short term gain.

But, in the case of the USC-CU game, Fox has good reason to put the game in that time slot. Other than the 10:30 pm ET/7:30 pm PT time slot, 12 noon ET has the weakest competition and thus Fox is likely to get a larger audience for the game in that time slot than in any other.

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And that decision hurts the school and the community by preventing the pre-game party and festivities, where the school can socialize with donors, and kids can play at the fun zones and build the next generation of fans.

Fox is maximizing their own self-interest while hurting their partner, which is my point.

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Colorado wanted this. The Pac-12 TV contract requires Fox to get the home team's permission for a start time that is before noon local time. Colorado wants the TV exposure any time they can get it. Apparently they care more about that than tailgating.
Edit: Wilner says USC also had to agree to this start time.

If you're curious: Pac-12 TV selection policy states that opponents must agree to kickoffs prior to 11 am local. USC signed off on breakfast in Boulder. Credit the Trojans. https://t.co/QdpBdyK5v5

— Jon Wilner (@wilnerhotline) September 18, 2023

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Confirmed at 12. PAC 12 network again. Interesting that USC-Colorado will be at 9 AM that day.

https://pac-12.com/football/schedule/20230925-20231001

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Of course Fox probably wants that, as it makes the schools more reliant/dependent on TV money and they want as much power and control as they can obtain, regardless of the downstream impacts to the schools.

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sure blame TV for fans desire for more and more essentially pro football, the consumers are ruining this, not the media, the media only gives the masses what they want

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There are two consumers, the TV viewer and the at-the-game fan. Fox is only working to maximize the TV viewer, to the detriment of the in-game fan.

Ideally, you would want the schools and TV network to be able to form a good faith partnership and find a healthy balance between the two consumer types, but fox does not want that. They want to maximize only the TV viewer consumer which hurts the at-the-game consumer. This hurts the school as attendance will shrink (as is happening across college football), which means less money and less investment, which means a worse product. So it's not the consumers, it's Fox catering to only a portion of the consumers, and not caring about damaging the rest of the sport.

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I wonder if the B1G defectors (USC/UCLA/Oregon/Washington) are going to find themselves playing 9am home games as well. It will be interesting to watch. Seems like Fox will push this more than ESPN.

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Fox starting next year will have the noon ET Big Ten slot, while CBS has 3:30pm and NBC 7:30pm. If Fox has a #1 pick for a week, and USC or UCLA is playing in the best game, I don't see anything stopping a 12 ET kickoff back east. I'd think the West Coast teams had something written into their contract prohibiting a 9am local slot, but at the same time, I would LOL hard if they didn't have that protection and were handed a 9am PT game at home. Even better if it's repeatedly happening.

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I don't think Fox cares about Cal specifically (and the politics of the news side are going to be entirely separate from the sports side).

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The Murdoch family owns and controls both FOX news and Fox sports - so no, not "entirely separate" but instead branches of the same tree.

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Yes, but structurally there's virtually no evidence that one arm has any impact on the other.

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Thanks so much, KAB ! Yes, the Cal Grad daughter has certainly done well with the hard work and perserverance learned at University. She really enjoyed the FB preseason games and hopes to do more, tho she relishes her main job in Philly. We're hoping to get back there in the next couple months. It's really kind of you to remember her (and me!). Very much appreciated. Hope you and yours are well and thriving.

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Wait this is just a side gig and she'll continue on as Sixers PBP? Wow. She living the dream! Please give my regards to Joel Embiid.