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WalterSobchak said:

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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ducky23 said:

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You want buy in from the fans? Maybe beat teams like auburn first

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It's supposed to work the other way. This is what's wrong with Cal.

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Demanding unwavering collective fan buy-in after over half a century of placing ALL HIRING-DECISION POWER on the hands of sports-ignorant chancelors who then hire sports-incompetent ADs who then hire HCs lacking proven records on all 3 phases of the game is what's wrong with Cal.

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You don't understand unwavering support. It takes many forms, including demanding accountability.

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The individuals on this board have given more than unwavering support of this program

But if you think you'll get that from the casual fan, without winning, you're nuts

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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ducky23 said:

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You want buy in from the fans? Maybe beat teams like auburn first

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It's supposed to work the other way. This is what's wrong with Cal.

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Demanding unwavering collective fan buy-in after over half a century of placing ALL HIRING-DECISION POWER on the hands of sports-ignorant chancelors who then hire sports-incompetent ADs who then hire HCs lacking proven records on all 3 phases of the game is what's wrong with Cal.

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You don't understand unwavering support. It takes many forms, including demanding accountability.

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Keeping the institutions & procedures that have led to 60 years of failure is the opposite of "demanding accountability."

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Bowlesman80 said:

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Econ141 said:

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Utah fans doing the same. So organized as opposed to our nothingness

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I remember when the campus computers used punch cards and were used to create the card stunts in a very full student section, circa '76-77.

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Bearly Clad said:

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This is what happens when you walk out and disrespect a team's logo and can't back it up

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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Econ141 said:

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Utah fans doing the same. So organized as opposed to our nothingness

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I remember when the campus computers used punch cards and were used to create the card stunts in a very full student section, circa '76-77.

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I spent some evenings back then typing punch cards for the card stunts. Very tedious work.

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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ducky23 said:

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You want buy in from the fans? Maybe beat teams like auburn first

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It's supposed to work the other way. This is what's wrong with Cal.

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Demanding unwavering collective fan buy-in after over half a century of placing ALL HIRING-DECISION POWER on the hands of sports-ignorant chancelors who then hire sports-incompetent ADs who then hire HCs lacking proven records on all 3 phases of the game is what's wrong with Cal.

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You don't understand unwavering support. It takes many forms, including demanding accountability.

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Keeping the institutions & procedures that have led to 60 years of failure is the opposite of "demanding accountability."

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Are you being intentionally obtuse? I'm saying change everything.

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LOL by your own words above you have been self-righteously demanding "fan buy in," not "changing everything." Nice try. There won't be substantial buy-in until there are radical changes. Changes precede buy-in; it does NOT "work the other way."

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ducky23 said:

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You want buy in from the fans? Maybe beat teams like auburn first

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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Those kinds of coaches were offered over the years, but their agents cut off any requests. Teddy had no coaching experience on defense that I am aware of.

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We keep marching according to exceptions that supposedly prove the rule. For every extremely rare teddy we've stumbled upon by dumb luck, there've been 5-7 wilcoxes that actually prove the rule. We can't keep relying on rare, dumb luck. Instead, radically change our approach to hiring ADs and HCs by helping our sports-ignorant chancelors make informed hiring decisions via the advice of a formally established select group of alumni w/ expertise on our revenue-producing sports.

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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ducky23 said:

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You want buy in from the fans? Maybe beat teams like auburn first

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It's supposed to work the other way. This is what's wrong with Cal.

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Demanding unwavering collective fan buy-in after over half a century of placing ALL HIRING-DECISION POWER on the hands of sports-ignorant chancelors who then hire sports-incompetent ADs who then hire HCs lacking proven records on all 3 phases of the game is what's wrong with Cal.

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You don't understand unwavering support. It takes many forms, including demanding accountability.

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Keeping the institutions & procedures that have led to 60 years of failure is the opposite of "demanding accountability."

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Are you being intentionally obtuse? I'm saying change everything.

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LOL by your own words above you have been self-righteously demanding "fan buy in," not "changing everything." Nice try. There won't be substantial buy-in until there are radical changes. Changes precede buy-in; it does NOT "work the other way."

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LOL at you fighting so hard to justify your apathy. Hope it makes you feel good.

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See, now you're equating Demanding Accountability with "Apathy" when before you said demanding accountability was part of buying in. Which is it? It can't be both. You've tangled yourself in your own web of self-righteous contradiction.

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TandemBear said:

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After a while, Walter, fans begin to feel like Schmucks. They provide undying support decade in, decade out, only to have their hearts crushed time and time again. My father was shouting "Bring back Torchio!" in the 80's when Cal football continued its futility. He attended Cal during their last glory years. Oh how lucky he realized he WAS. Then he enjoyed the Citrus Bowl and things were looking up. Oops, Holmoecaust bump in the road! But then we enjoyed the Tedford years and things appeared to be on the rise. Oh and then the stadium funding and construction? ON THE RIGHT ...

NOPE! Derailed! My Old Blue father wanted a Rose Bowl before he died. He watched Riley throw our season away in person with my kids in tow. That was the last year he bought season tix. Our entire family finally didn't renew. And it was prescient because the ensuing decade proved to be pretty bleak. With runaway money and Cal doing nothing to address the issues, hope is even lower.

My dad never got that Rose Bowl. He did die after it became a moot point. What a shame.

Two relatives, die-hard fans, have thrown in the towel. Never thought I'd see THAT!

So you think intelligent, well-educated, high-functioning alumni of the world's #1 university should be Schmucks? Should be the suckers, year in and year out? Why do you expect them to play the fool?

You're asking WAY TOO MUCH. Admin should devote the time, energy and funding to football, show results and THEN you'll see the fans fill the stands. With a billion dollar stadium (after interest pmts.), you have NO CHOICE but to do this. Yet the administration has flailed. W-T-F is wrong with them? If they REALLY do expect the stands to be full as a prerequisite for success, then they're dumber than rocks. It doesn't work that way! For these reasons, you have it bass-ackwards, my friend.

My parents took me to my first Cal game on November 20, 1982. We experienced SO MUCH amazing stuff in Memorial stadium. But those memories are fading, as are the alumni. You can only expect so much.

I appreciate your support and desire to see Cal succeed, but please aim your frustration at the administration, not the fans who have been abused enough at this point!

Go Bears!

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WalterSobchak said:

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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ducky23 said:

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You want buy in from the fans? Maybe beat teams like auburn first

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It's supposed to work the other way. This is what's wrong with Cal.

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Demanding unwavering collective fan buy-in after over half a century of placing ALL HIRING-DECISION POWER on the hands of sports-ignorant chancelors who then hire sports-incompetent ADs who then hire HCs lacking proven records on all 3 phases of the game is what's wrong with Cal.

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You don't understand unwavering support. It takes many forms, including demanding accountability.

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Keeping the institutions & procedures that have led to 60 years of failure is the opposite of "demanding accountability."

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Are you being intentionally obtuse? I'm saying change everything.

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LOL by your own words above you have been self-righteously demanding "fan buy in," not "changing everything." Nice try. There won't be substantial buy-in until there are radical changes. Changes precede buy-in; it does NOT "work the other way."

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LOL at you fighting so hard to justify your apathy. Hope it makes you feel good.

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See, now you're equating Demanding Accountability with "Apathy" when before you said demanding accountability was part of buying in. Which is it? It can't be both. You've tangled yourself in your own web of self-righteous contradiction.

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This is totally unintelligible. Congrats.

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WalterSobchak said:

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TandemBear said:

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After a while, Walter, fans begin to feel like Schmucks. They provide undying support decade in, decade out, only to have their hearts crushed time and time again. My father was shouting "Bring back Torchio!" in the 80's when Cal football continued its futility. He attended Cal during their last glory years. Oh how lucky he realized he WAS. Then he enjoyed the Citrus Bowl and things were looking up. Oops, Holmoecaust bump in the road! But then we enjoyed the Tedford years and things appeared to be on the rise. Oh and then the stadium funding and construction? ON THE RIGHT ...

NOPE! Derailed! My Old Blue father wanted a Rose Bowl before he died. He watched Riley throw our season away in person with my kids in tow. That was the last year he bought season tix. Our entire family finally didn't renew. And it was prescient because the ensuing decade proved to be pretty bleak. With runaway money and Cal doing nothing to address the issues, hope is even lower.

My dad never got that Rose Bowl. He did die after it became a moot point. What a shame.

Two relatives, die-hard fans, have thrown in the towel. Never thought I'd see THAT!

So you think intelligent, well-educated, high-functioning alumni of the world's #1 university should be Schmucks? Should be the suckers, year in and year out? Why do you expect them to play the fool?

You're asking WAY TOO MUCH. Admin should devote the time, energy and funding to football, show results and THEN you'll see the fans fill the stands. With a billion dollar stadium (after interest pmts.), you have NO CHOICE but to do this. Yet the administration has flailed. W-T-F is wrong with them? If they REALLY do expect the stands to be full as a prerequisite for success, then they're dumber than rocks. It doesn't work that way! For these reasons, you have it bass-ackwards, my friend.

My parents took me to my first Cal game on November 20, 1982. We experienced SO MUCH amazing stuff in Memorial stadium. But those memories are fading, as are the alumni. You can only expect so much.

I appreciate your support and desire to see Cal succeed, but please aim your frustration at the administration, not the fans who have been abused enough at this point!

Go Bears!

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It's possible to have a culture that demands an administration that values sports. Look at all the schools you hate. USC. UW. Oregon. They manage to do it.

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calumnus said:

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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Those kinds of coaches were offered over the years, but their agents cut off any requests. Teddy had no coaching experience on defense that I am aware of.

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We keep marching according to exceptions that supposedly prove the rule. For every extremely rare teddy we've stumbled upon by dumb luck, there've been 5-7 wilcoxes that actually prove the rule. We can't keep relying on rare, dumb luck. Instead, radically change our approach to hiring ADs and HCs by helping our sports-ignorant chancelors make informed hiring decisions via the advice of a formally established select group of alumni w/ expertise on our revenue-producing sports.

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Agree. At a minimum an "advisory board" of Cal alumni to oversee the AD who technically is still hired by the chancellor. However, I think a better way to navigate the coming professionalism of college sports is to outsource the revenue sports to a alumni run organization with decisions made by shareholder proxy or an elected board or president.

As to your other topic:

Three head coaches to hire:

1. A young smart innovative P5 OC with good leadership qualities (White, Tedford, Mooch, Walsh, Shaw).

2. A young head coach that that has had success at a lower level (can be offense or defense)(Snyder, Dykes, Harbaugh, Taylor)

3. A head coach from the NFL that is unemployed at that level but has a personality that would translate to college (Madden, Carrol, Mooch, Walsh, Edwards, Rivera).

Head coaches I would not hire:

1. Young DC, especially if they are not obvious college rah, rah types (Holmoe, Wilcox). They need to prove they can hire an OC and oversee an offense at a lower level. Top OCs are in great demand are expensive and good ones get HC offers (see #1 above).

2. Coaches who have no OC or HC experience (Kapp, Rodgers, Lynch, Pawlawski)

3. Retreads, coaches who were fired at D1 level.

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Bearly Clad said:

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Not gonna lie the CU/Deion hype is kind of annoying but I don't have it in me to root for the ducks

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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ducky23 said:

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You want buy in from the fans? Maybe beat teams like auburn first

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It's supposed to work the other way. This is what's wrong with Cal.

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Demanding unwavering collective fan buy-in after over half a century of placing ALL HIRING-DECISION POWER on the hands of sports-ignorant chancelors who then hire sports-incompetent ADs who then hire HCs lacking proven records on all 3 phases of the game is what's wrong with Cal.

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You don't understand unwavering support. It takes many forms, including demanding accountability.

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Keeping the institutions & procedures that have led to 60 years of failure is the opposite of "demanding accountability."

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Are you being intentionally obtuse? I'm saying change everything.

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LOL by your own words above you have been self-righteously demanding "fan buy in," not "changing everything." Nice try. There won't be substantial buy-in until there are radical changes. Changes precede buy-in; it does NOT "work the other way."

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LOL at you fighting so hard to justify your apathy. Hope it makes you feel good.

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See, now you're equating Demanding Accountability with "Apathy" when before you said demanding accountability was part of buying in. Which is it? It can't be both. You've tangled yourself in your own web of self-righteous contradiction.

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This is totally unintelligible. Congrats.

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Ah, the old higher-than-thou sarcasm gambit to deflect from being caught in self-righteous self-contradiction. Moving the goalposts, name-calling, sarcasm. Resourceful.

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Bowlesman80 said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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TandemBear said:

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After a while, Walter, fans begin to feel like Schmucks. They provide undying support decade in, decade out, only to have their hearts crushed time and time again. My father was shouting "Bring back Torchio!" in the 80's when Cal football continued its futility. He attended Cal during their last glory years. Oh how lucky he realized he WAS. Then he enjoyed the Citrus Bowl and things were looking up. Oops, Holmoecaust bump in the road! But then we enjoyed the Tedford years and things appeared to be on the rise. Oh and then the stadium funding and construction? ON THE RIGHT ...

NOPE! Derailed! My Old Blue father wanted a Rose Bowl before he died. He watched Riley throw our season away in person with my kids in tow. That was the last year he bought season tix. Our entire family finally didn't renew. And it was prescient because the ensuing decade proved to be pretty bleak. With runaway money and Cal doing nothing to address the issues, hope is even lower.

My dad never got that Rose Bowl. He did die after it became a moot point. What a shame.

Two relatives, die-hard fans, have thrown in the towel. Never thought I'd see THAT!

So you think intelligent, well-educated, high-functioning alumni of the world's #1 university should be Schmucks? Should be the suckers, year in and year out? Why do you expect them to play the fool?

You're asking WAY TOO MUCH. Admin should devote the time, energy and funding to football, show results and THEN you'll see the fans fill the stands. With a billion dollar stadium (after interest pmts.), you have NO CHOICE but to do this. Yet the administration has flailed. W-T-F is wrong with them? If they REALLY do expect the stands to be full as a prerequisite for success, then they're dumber than rocks. It doesn't work that way! For these reasons, you have it bass-ackwards, my friend.

My parents took me to my first Cal game on November 20, 1982. We experienced SO MUCH amazing stuff in Memorial stadium. But those memories are fading, as are the alumni. You can only expect so much.

I appreciate your support and desire to see Cal succeed, but please aim your frustration at the administration, not the fans who have been abused enough at this point!

Go Bears!

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It's possible to have a culture that demands an administration that values sports. Look at all the schools you hate. USC. UW. Oregon. They manage to do it.

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Michigan, Texas, Wisconsin, UNC

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Bearly Clad said:

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Not gonna lie the CU/Deion hype is kind of annoying but I don't have it in me to root for the ducks

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Bowlesman80 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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Econ141 said:

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Utah fans doing the same. So organized as opposed to our nothingness

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I remember when the campus computers used punch cards and were used to create the card stunts in a very full student section, circa '76-77.

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I spent some evenings back then typing punch cards for the card stunts. Very tedious work.

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I had the feeling there was an enormous number of hours for those card stunts.
Thank you, they were awesome.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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Econ141 said:

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Utah fans doing the same. So organized as opposed to our nothingness

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I remember when the campus computers used punch cards and were used to create the card stunts in a very full student section, circa '76-77.

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I spent some evenings back then typing punch cards for the card stunts. Very tedious work.

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I had the feeling there was an enormous number of hours for those card stunts.
Thank you, they were awesome.

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Thanks. I wasn't an athlete, so the Rally Committee was my way to contribute. My grades suffered for it.

As for the card stunts, the stunt designer would plot the entire stunt on graph paper with colored pencils. Then those of us key punching would type a punch card for each row with a color indicated in each column for the corresponding seat in the row. Once all 60 or whatever rows were done, you'd print it out and look for errors. Then you would retype the punch cards with errors, put them in the stack of punch cards and reprint to makes sure the replacement cards were in the right place. Each time you submitted the job for reprinting, it took 10 or 15 minutes to get the printout. It was hard to do a stunt in less than an hour. I'm sure PCs made it much easier.

As a Bowlesman, you might appreciate this. When Bowles Hall had it's 50th anniversary (1979?) and some ceremonies were planned, I pitched the idea for a Bowles Hall card stunt. I was turned down. So, I made up a stunt that said "Bowles Hall 50 Yrs" and replaced one of the planned stunts with the one I did. It nearly worked, but they double checked the stunts (not something normally done) and they caught it. Fortunately they weren't too pissed off at me.

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