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cal83dls79 said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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okaydo said:

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Jared Goff over his last 17 games, the equivalent of a full NFL regular season:

391-of-578 (67.6%)
4,473 passing yards
29 passing TD
4 interceptions

The Lions are 13-4 in those games. pic.twitter.com/oc37QGvMgI

— Field Yates (@FieldYates) October 16, 2023

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hello, hello? Where are all the BI Goff haters? Hello?

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I'm not sure there were any.

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wrong and let the BI historians at it. Baby hands?

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If at all it would be a minority -- and even if small hands and some may have thought he was washed up, I wouldn't say there were haters -- just assessing whether he was done or not. I saw a lot of Ram fan haters. Not sure Cal fans would be mocking our own, when he did so much for us and has and been always a great rep for the university (I've never seen the guy complain either at Cal or in the NFL- dude is such a good guy). I think you're overplaying that.

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A huge segment, I would even say the vast majority on this board, were clamoring for Kline or Hinder throughout the horrible 2013 season and denigrating Goff in the process. And Dykes of course.

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I was referring to when Goff was left for dead by McVay. I don't think there were many haters on this board. I do recall our horrible 2013, which seemed to start off with such promise in Goff's first start v. Northwestern. I wasn't sure what I thought at the time, but I do recall someone in the know telling me that Goff was the least of our problems -- and he was right.

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My bad:

"Cal finished this season with a 111 record, with Dykes becoming the first head coach since the University began playing football in 1886 to fail to defeat a single D-1 opponent in a season that has lasted at least five games."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_California_Golden_Bears_football_team#:~:text=Cal%20finished%20this%20season%20with,lasted%20at%20least%20five%20games.

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At least you were right...https://bearinsider.com/forums/2/topics/64965

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Too bad all the links to the old board and the old board itself died.

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Hey, at least I quoted one of your posts from 2013, so... you're welcome.

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Goff does DEEP to Jameson Williams for the 45-yard TD!

📺: #DETvsTB on FOX
📱: Stream on #NFLPlus https://t.co/B4mQvLOt8O pic.twitter.com/7SnwzpjmbM

— NFL (@NFL) October 15, 2023

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The result worked out well for him, but he probably should've gone to the outside shoulder, instead.

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thanks coach

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TBC, I'm happy Jared's doing so well. I am actively rooting for the Lions only because they have him and Marvin Jones, Jr. I want to see him prove Sean McVay (and the Rams front office) a moron(s) for giving up on him. With that comes a hope that he'll recognize his mistakes and learn from them, even when said mistakes don't result in negative outcomes.* I'm sure Jared would also agree that he should've put the ball more on his receiver's outside shoulder since that would've made it all but impossible for the defender to make a play on the ball. With the placement on that pass, the defender almost deflected the pass (it was sheer dumb luck that didn't happen).

But if you disagree, that's your prerogative. I'm sure you're the kind of guy who thinks getting by is good enough. TBF, that's not a bad philosophy in life. But I want to see Jared end up as one of the all-time greats. I really like the young man. He's proven to be a great Cal representative.

*There are times when it's better to be lucky than good, but it's never really a bad idea to be good.

BI discussion when Jared traded:

https://bearinsider.com/forums/2/topics/100245

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There were a few Zach Kline fanboys, but the coaches sure weren't.

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I myself was a Zach guy. It's possible I was wrong about that.

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I once confessed for pulling my dogs tail. 1 Hail Mary

01Bear said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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01Bear said:

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Goff does DEEP to Jameson Williams for the 45-yard TD!

📺: #DETvsTB on FOX
📱: Stream on #NFLPlus https://t.co/B4mQvLOt8O pic.twitter.com/7SnwzpjmbM

— NFL (@NFL) October 15, 2023

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The result worked out well for him, but he probably should've gone to the outside shoulder, instead.

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thanks coach

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TBC, I'm happy Jared's doing so well. I am actively rooting for the Lions only because they have him and Marvin Jones, Jr. I want to see him prove Sean McVay (and the Rams front office) a moron(s) for giving up on him. With that comes a hope that he'll recognize his mistakes and learn from them, even when said mistakes don't result in negative outcomes.* I'm sure Jared would also agree that he should've put the ball more on his receiver's outside shoulder since that would've made it all but impossible for the defender to make a play on the ball. With the placement on that pass, the defender almost deflected the pass (it was sheer dumb luck that didn't happen).

But if you disagree, that's your prerogative. I'm sure you're the kind of guy who thinks getting by is good enough. TBF, that's not a bad philosophy in life. But I want to see Jared end up as one of the all-time greats. I really like the young man. He's proven to be a great Cal representative.

*There are times when it's better to be lucky than good, but it's never really a bad idea to be good.

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"great cal representative"? You aren't one for sure

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01Bear said:

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Goff does DEEP to Jameson Williams for the 45-yard TD!

📺: #DETvsTB on FOX
📱: Stream on #NFLPlus https://t.co/B4mQvLOt8O pic.twitter.com/7SnwzpjmbM

— NFL (@NFL) October 15, 2023

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The result worked out well for him, but he probably should've gone to the outside shoulder, instead.

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thanks coach

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TBC, I'm happy Jared's doing so well. I am actively rooting for the Lions only because they have him and Marvin Jones, Jr. I want to see him prove Sean McVay (and the Rams front office) a moron(s) for giving up on him. With that comes a hope that he'll recognize his mistakes and learn from them, even when said mistakes don't result in negative outcomes.* I'm sure Jared would also agree that he should've put the ball more on his receiver's outside shoulder since that would've made it all but impossible for the defender to make a play on the ball. With the placement on that pass, the defender almost deflected the pass (it was sheer dumb luck that didn't happen).

But if you disagree, that's your prerogative. I'm sure you're the kind of guy who thinks getting by is good enough. TBF, that's not a bad philosophy in life. But I want to see Jared end up as one of the all-time greats. I really like the young man. He's proven to be a great Cal representative.

*There are times when it's better to be lucky than good, but it's never really a bad idea to be good.

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1. One of the front office guys chiefly responsible for drafting Goff is the Lions' GM.

2. Things are working out great for Goff. While I'd like to see McVay humiliated, I'm so glad they gave up on him. It was a toxic situation for Goff. The problem is that McVay was so important to Goff's career that it ended up becoming a bad thing. McVay got nearly all the credit for Goff being good and Goff got the blame for Goff being bad. And everybody close to McVay, which means many people close to Goff, kept getting picked away by other teams so Goff couldn't have stability. Hell, 3 of the 4 head coaches in the NFC North have worked with Goff.

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This! It's clear now that McVay didn't know how to get the best out of Goff. Seeing Goff's success now, it's obvious that it was a coaching problem. Whether it was the mental game, technique, game planning, or personnel, the Rams didn't know how to build a winning team around Goff, and they blamed Goff. While the Rams would argue that the trade gave them the Super Bowl win they were looking for, they sacrificed the next few years going forward with all the high draft picks they gave away and with a QB near the end of his career.

Goff got lucky with this trade to a team that appears to have the right management in place and the right coaches to get the best out of Goff.

One thing that I wanted to mention, in relation to the thread about how Goff was perceived in 2013, is that Goff had a huge problem with ball security from the beginning. Remember when they had him wearing gloves in dry conditions because the ball would just fall from his hands for no reason? Well the fumblitis continued into the NFL, but I noticed that since he's been with the Lions, this issue seems to have gone away.

…..and Dan Campbell isn't a p@ussie.



He is a Viking Warlord!

There is a lot of parity in the NFL this year, no team is dominant, and the Lions are in the half-dozen top bracket of contenders for the title...

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okaydo said:

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01Bear said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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01Bear said:

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Goff does DEEP to Jameson Williams for the 45-yard TD!

📺: #DETvsTB on FOX
📱: Stream on #NFLPlus https://t.co/B4mQvLOt8O pic.twitter.com/7SnwzpjmbM

— NFL (@NFL) October 15, 2023

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The result worked out well for him, but he probably should've gone to the outside shoulder, instead.

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thanks coach

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TBC, I'm happy Jared's doing so well. I am actively rooting for the Lions only because they have him and Marvin Jones, Jr. I want to see him prove Sean McVay (and the Rams front office) a moron(s) for giving up on him. With that comes a hope that he'll recognize his mistakes and learn from them, even when said mistakes don't result in negative outcomes.* I'm sure Jared would also agree that he should've put the ball more on his receiver's outside shoulder since that would've made it all but impossible for the defender to make a play on the ball. With the placement on that pass, the defender almost deflected the pass (it was sheer dumb luck that didn't happen).

But if you disagree, that's your prerogative. I'm sure you're the kind of guy who thinks getting by is good enough. TBF, that's not a bad philosophy in life. But I want to see Jared end up as one of the all-time greats. I really like the young man. He's proven to be a great Cal representative.

*There are times when it's better to be lucky than good, but it's never really a bad idea to be good.

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1. One of the front office guys chiefly responsible for drafting Goff is the Lions' GM.

2. Things are working out great for Goff. While I'd like to see McVay humiliated, I'm so glad they gave up on him. It was a toxic situation for Goff. The problem is that McVay was so important to Goff's career that it ended up becoming a bad thing. McVay got nearly all the credit for Goff being good and Goff got the blame for Goff being bad. And everybody close to McVay, which means many people close to Goff, kept getting picked away by other teams so Goff couldn't have stability. Hell, 3 of the 4 head coaches in the NFC North have worked with Goff.

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This! It's clear now that McVay didn't know how to get the best out of Goff. Seeing Goff's success now, it's obvious that it was a coaching problem. Whether it was the mental game, technique, game planning, or personnel, the Rams didn't know how to build a winning team around Goff, and they blamed Goff. While the Rams would argue that the trade gave them the Super Bowl win they were looking for, they sacrificed the next few years going forward with all the high draft picks they gave away and with a QB near the end of his career.

Goff got lucky with this trade to a team that appears to have the right management in place and the right coaches to get the best out of Goff.

One thing that I wanted to mention, in relation to the thread about how Goff was perceived in 2013, is that Goff had a huge problem with ball security from the beginning. Remember when they had him wearing gloves in dry conditions because the ball would just fall from his hands for no reason? Well the fumblitis continued into the NFL, but I noticed that since he's been with the Lions, this issue seems to have gone away.

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You know how it is: When a new boss gets hired, he wants his own people. But Goff was the reason McVay got hired, so he couldn't get rid of Goff. So when McVay finally did have the clout to get the QB he wanted, he pounced. (And he won the Super Bowl!)

McVay's public media strategy has always been to blame himself for things going wrong. That really endeared him to reporters. But as a guy who was in his early 30s, McVay quietly made it be known that he was doing nearly all the work at the QB job. He wanted and received the glory of the QB job. And of course, the media gave McVay the QB glory because McVay really did make a difference with the Rams. And Goff isn't going to bash the coach who saved his career. (In fact, I recall reporters asking Goff about McVay getting all the credit and Goff basically saying "as long as we're winning, I don't care how I'm perceived.)

When you are media savvy, you can shape the perception of somebody.

And so Goff was perceived as being an idiot with an arm who was controlled like a game of Madden. Few delved into why Goff was highly regarded in the first place: leadership skills, ability to play QB.

Even with the Lions, you can see NFL pundits orgasming over Ben Johnson.

There is still the perception in some circles that Goff was a mediocre QB who keeps getting lucky with the coaches he receives. I believe Dan Orlovsky* said something to the effect of if he had a great coach, he too could've been great. (To be fair, Orlovsky, a former teammate of Goff's, has been praising Goff as a QB.)

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Goff does DEEP to Jameson Williams for the 45-yard TD!

📺: #DETvsTB on FOX
📱: Stream on #NFLPlus https://t.co/B4mQvLOt8O pic.twitter.com/7SnwzpjmbM

— NFL (@NFL) October 15, 2023

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The result worked out well for him, but he probably should've gone to the outside shoulder, instead.

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thanks coach

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TBC, I'm happy Jared's doing so well. I am actively rooting for the Lions only because they have him and Marvin Jones, Jr. I want to see him prove Sean McVay (and the Rams front office) a moron(s) for giving up on him. With that comes a hope that he'll recognize his mistakes and learn from them, even when said mistakes don't result in negative outcomes.* I'm sure Jared would also agree that he should've put the ball more on his receiver's outside shoulder since that would've made it all but impossible for the defender to make a play on the ball. With the placement on that pass, the defender almost deflected the pass (it was sheer dumb luck that didn't happen).

But if you disagree, that's your prerogative. I'm sure you're the kind of guy who thinks getting by is good enough. TBF, that's not a bad philosophy in life. But I want to see Jared end up as one of the all-time greats. I really like the young man. He's proven to be a great Cal representative.

*There are times when it's better to be lucky than good, but it's never really a bad idea to be good.

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"great cal representative"? You aren't one for sure

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Coming from someone as confused as you, I'll take that as a compliment.

.@JaredGoff16 is processing defensive looks effortlessly, and quicker than ever before ⏱@GregCosell breaks it down for @NFLMatchup pic.twitter.com/FEWarMwcMJ

— NFL Films (@NFLFilms) October 20, 2023

Goff & Co. getting wrecked by Ravens.

cal83dls79 said:

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01Bear said:

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Goff does DEEP to Jameson Williams for the 45-yard TD!

📺: #DETvsTB on FOX
📱: Stream on #NFLPlus https://t.co/B4mQvLOt8O pic.twitter.com/7SnwzpjmbM

— NFL (@NFL) October 15, 2023

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The result worked out well for him, but he probably should've gone to the outside shoulder, instead.

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thanks coach

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TBC, I'm happy Jared's doing so well. I am actively rooting for the Lions only because they have him and Marvin Jones, Jr. I want to see him prove Sean McVay (and the Rams front office) a moron(s) for giving up on him. With that comes a hope that he'll recognize his mistakes and learn from them, even when said mistakes don't result in negative outcomes.* I'm sure Jared would also agree that he should've put the ball more on his receiver's outside shoulder since that would've made it all but impossible for the defender to make a play on the ball. With the placement on that pass, the defender almost deflected the pass (it was sheer dumb luck that didn't happen).

But if you disagree, that's your prerogative. I'm sure you're the kind of guy who thinks getting by is good enough. TBF, that's not a bad philosophy in life. But I want to see Jared end up as one of the all-time greats. I really like the young man. He's proven to be a great Cal representative.

*There are times when it's better to be lucky than good, but it's never really a bad idea to be good.

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"great cal representative"? You aren't one for sure

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Coming from someone as confused as you, I'll take that as a compliment.

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I'm sick of this narrative that Goff is "lucky" and nitpicking when he actually succeeds.

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On the play in question, it worked out for him, absolutely. However, any fair assessment of that passing would have to acknowledge the pass would've been better had it been to his receiver's outside shoulder given the location of the defense. That said, it was still a really good throw and one that not every NFL quarterback (let alone lower level QBs) would or could've made.

As I stated earlier, I root for the Lions now because of Jared Goff and Marvin Jones, Jr. I Like Jared Goff a lot and am proud of how well he represents Cal. I don't denigrate Jared. If anything, I defend him to my friends in SoCal who think Sean McVay is a genius who can do no wrong, even though the Rams have sucked eggs after their Super Bowl winning season.

If you can't understand the difference between constructive criticism and disparagement, then that's a you problem. But those who strive for greatness will generally have enough self-awareness to know where they fell short and then take the steps necessary to improve those areas. In doing so, they'll not only examine where they failed but also where they succeeded. As such, I'm sure Jared already reviewed the play and knows he should've thrown to the outside shoulder.

But hey, rely on your oversimplified narrative that all criticism of Jared is unwarranted and only intended to tear him down. Fanboy all you want. Jared will likely never meet either you or I. Additionally, he likely ignores the prattling on these types if message boards. So it's not like anything we do or say will ever resonate with him.

In any case, you do you big guy.

I know many multi-multi-millionaires who hang on every word posted here.

Love to see Herbert (and Keenan) beat KC…but he spends half the time running for his life.

…..and the best thing about the Raiders is now they suck for a different city.

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Goff does DEEP to Jameson Williams for the 45-yard TD!

📺: #DETvsTB on FOX
📱: Stream on #NFLPlus https://t.co/B4mQvLOt8O pic.twitter.com/7SnwzpjmbM

— NFL (@NFL) October 15, 2023

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The result worked out well for him, but he probably should've gone to the outside shoulder, instead.

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thanks coach

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TBC, I'm happy Jared's doing so well. I am actively rooting for the Lions only because they have him and Marvin Jones, Jr. I want to see him prove Sean McVay (and the Rams front office) a moron(s) for giving up on him. With that comes a hope that he'll recognize his mistakes and learn from them, even when said mistakes don't result in negative outcomes.* I'm sure Jared would also agree that he should've put the ball more on his receiver's outside shoulder since that would've made it all but impossible for the defender to make a play on the ball. With the placement on that pass, the defender almost deflected the pass (it was sheer dumb luck that didn't happen).

But if you disagree, that's your prerogative. I'm sure you're the kind of guy who thinks getting by is good enough. TBF, that's not a bad philosophy in life. But I want to see Jared end up as one of the all-time greats. I really like the young man. He's proven to be a great Cal representative.

*There are times when it's better to be lucky than good, but it's never really a bad idea to be good.

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"great cal representative"? You aren't one for sure

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Coming from someone as confused as you, I'll take that as a compliment.

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I'm sick of this narrative that Goff is "lucky" and nitpicking when he actually succeeds.

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On the play in question, it worked out for him, absolutely. However, any fair assessment of that passing would have to acknowledge the pass would've been better had it been to his receiver's outside shoulder given the location of the defense. That said, it was still a really good throw and one that not every NFL quarterback (let alone lower level QBs) would or could've made.

As I stated earlier, I root for the Lions now because of Jared Goff and Marvin Jones, Jr. I Like Jared Goff a lot and am proud of how well he represents Cal. I don't denigrate Jared. If anything, I defend him to my friends in SoCal who think Sean McVay is a genius who can do no wrong, even though the Rams have sucked eggs after their Super Bowl winning season.

If you can't understand the difference between constructive criticism and disparagement, then that's a you problem. But those who strive for greatness will generally have enough self-awareness to know where they fell short and then take the steps necessary to improve those areas. In doing so, they'll not only examine where they failed but also where they succeeded. As such, I'm sure Jared already reviewed the play and knows he should've thrown to the outside shoulder.

But hey, rely on your oversimplified narrative that all criticism of Jared is unwarranted and only intended to tear him down. Fanboy all you want. Jared will likely never meet either you or I. Additionally, he likely ignores the prattling on these types if message boards. So it's not like anything we do or say will ever resonate with him.

In any case, you do you big guy.

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thanks Tony Robbins

Lamar Jackson 357 yards 3 TD




* Last Thurs: Derek Carr, 301 yards 1 TD 1 INT to secure loss for Saints v Jax

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Lamar Jackson 357 yards 3 TD

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Plus Jackson had positive rushing yardage and a rushing TD. Importantly Jackson was never sacked, whereas Goff was sacked 5 times.

GA and the Steelers found a way to get the win lol

“Vamos Lions!” - @JaredGoff16 pic.twitter.com/zPwyfbPP5v

— Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington) October 31, 2023

When Gibbs turned the edge with his 4.3 40 speed, he was Gonesville. I am not sure how he will weather a train collision with a LB.

2016: Goff had a bad season, Rodgers had a good season.
2017: Goff had a good season, Rodgers had a bad season.
2018: Goff had a good season, Rodgers had a bad season.
2019: Goff had a bad season, Rodgers had a good season.
2020: Goff had a bad season, Rodgers had a good season.
2021: Goff had a bad season, Rodgers had a good season.
2022: Goff had a good season, Rodgers had a bad season.
2023: Goff is having a good season, Rodgers is having a bad season.


2016: Goff goes 0-7, Rodgers makes the NFC Championship game.
2017: Goff makes the playoffs, Rodgers doesn't make the playoffs.
2018: Goff makes the Super Bowl, Rodgers doesn't make the playoffs.
2019: Goff doesn't make the playoffs, Rodgers makes the NFC Championship game.
2020: Goff loses playoff game to Rodgers and is traded, Rodgers wins MVP and makes the NFC Championship game.
2021: Goff wins three games, Rodgers wins MVP and makes the playoffs.
2022: Goff wins majority of the Lions games, Rodgers loses majority of Packers games.
2023:

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Stanford went 5-5-1, 6-5, 4-7 and 5-6 with John Elway

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And that horse-faced illiterate went 1-3 in the Big Game.

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I didn't think Elway ever won a Big Game.

Wow, had no idea Goff was so popular.

Coming into this weekend, the top 44 shows on all of TV are NFL games and 48 of 50. The other two have football connections, a 60 Minutes episode with an NFL game lead-in and the Colorado-Oregon game. Via @NFLMedia pic.twitter.com/W2L3msXEXk

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