GoBears72 said:
Craig Morton
Vince Ferragamo
Steve Bartkowski
Joe Roth
Troy Taylor
Rich Campbell
Pat Barnes
Kyle Boller
Nate Longshore
Jared Goff
What is preventing us from going in this direction?
evanluck said:
Literally did that last year. Plummer is 6'5" and was playing in Musgrave's pro style offense. The whole college game has been trending heavily towards tempo, air raid style spread offenses with mobile QBs.
We have that now and the coaches also understand that in the era of portal transfers the offense needs to be simpler so new
players can learn it quickly. This allows you to get your most talented players on the field fastest.
The thing about the guys that you listed is not height or system. It is talent. Most, if not all of those guys have NFL quality talent.
StillNoStanfurdium said:
We have the 6'6" Tyler Jensen on the roster who was a 3-star recruit and transferred from Louisville (as a walk-on though I think?). But height isn't everything.
Wow, Cal Strong. Your grammar has really improved especially with regard to verb-subject alignment. Cal Strong, strong!Cal Strong! said:
Jack Plummer is currently 5-0 and the captain of a ranked college football team.
Does he have an NFL future? Maybe, but probably not. Maybe as an UFA, or as a 7th round or possibly a 6th round pick at best.
Is he capable of leading a team to a bunch of wins and a spot in the rankings? Manifestly yes.
The Air Raid is no longer a trend really. But it can certainly still score points.
A multiple pro-style offense can do the same.
It just depends on the players and coaches.
Plus the qb is not accounted for when sprinting out or when wr's go deep. But, the qb must be able to throw accurately from the pocket or on the run. I think that may be part of what you're talking about.evanluck said:
Literally did that last year. Plummer is 6'5" and was playing in Musgrave's pro style offense. The whole college game has been trending heavily towards tempo, air raid style spread offenses with mobile QBs.
We have that now and the coaches also understand that in the era of portal transfers, the offense needs to be simpler so new players can learn it quickly. This allows you to get your most talented players on the field fastest.
The thing about the guys that you listed is not height or system. It is talent. Most, if not all of those guys have NFL quality talent.
bearister said:
Nate thanks you for inclusion on your list.
When the world ends and an atomic conflagration envelopes the earth, only two species are going to crawl out of the ashes:
Cockroaches and Ben Roethlisberger.
*You have to love a QB that is a beast of a man (6'5 245 lbs) that can volunteer as a test crash dummy all day Saturday and then show up on Sunday to throw for 400 yards, 4 TD, 2 INT and get the win.
Big C said:
We are moving towards quarterbacks who are more athletic and so height is not as much of an advantage as it used to be (still a plus, though). The thing is, even a "dual threat" quarterback needs to have "quarterback passing skills" which include more than just a strong arm and a pretty pass. They need to be great decision-makers (processing information) and they need to find the most open receiver under pressure.
Goff is great at moving around within the pocket and finding his receivers, then getting them the ball. Job One for a QB!
calumnus said:Big C said:
We are moving towards quarterbacks who are more athletic and so height is not as much of an advantage as it used to be (still a plus, though). The thing is, even a "dual threat" quarterback needs to have "quarterback passing skills" which include more than just a strong arm and a pretty pass. They need to be great decision-makers (processing information) and they need to find the most open receiver under pressure.
Goff is great at moving around within the pocket and finding his receivers, then getting them the ball. Job One for a QB!
I loved the offense the Rams used to run with Goff that featured running Gurley mostly outside the tackles and every pass began with play action to Gurley and mostly Goff bootlegs with easy throws to Cooper Kupp and the TE underneath mixed/in with deeper shots to the WRs when the above opened that up.
Seems like what we should be running. Ott, Ifanse, Stredick and the Jett are the heart of our offense, but (well, other than Ifanse) we need to get our speed backs outside the tackle box in space. And Jackson needs to be going in the other direction for bootlegs and keepers.
Yes, talent (meaning actual performance) should be the issue not:evanluck said:
Literally did that last year. Plummer is 6'5" and was playing in Musgrave's pro style offense. The whole college game has been trending heavily towards tempo, air raid style spread offenses with mobile QBs.
We have that now and the coaches also understand that in the era of portal transfers, the offense needs to be simpler so new players can learn it quickly. This allows you to get your most talented players on the field fastest.
The thing about the guys that you listed is not height or system. It is talent. Most, if not all of those guys have NFL quality talent.
In your dream world, Jackson is half as accurate as Goff. But Jackson misses wide open receivers while rolling out with plenty of time to throw. Where is the "upside" with an inaccurate passer? Some experts say inaccuracy is incurable. I don't necessarily agree with that. But the level of inaccuracy is concerning to me and enough that I think Mendoza should be given a chance. I think he is more accurate. But I'm sure his confidence is at an all time low at this point since the fans and coaches have dog-housed him for absolutely no reason other than that Jackson has "upside".calumnus said:Big C said:
We are moving towards quarterbacks who are more athletic and so height is not as much of an advantage as it used to be (still a plus, though). The thing is, even a "dual threat" quarterback needs to have "quarterback passing skills" which include more than just a strong arm and a pretty pass. They need to be great decision-makers (processing information) and they need to find the most open receiver under pressure.
Goff is great at moving around within the pocket and finding his receivers, then getting them the ball. Job One for a QB!
I loved the offense the Rams used to run with Goff that featured running Gurley mostly outside the tackles and every pass began with play action to Gurley and mostly Goff bootlegs with easy throws to Cooper Kupp and the TE underneath mixed/in with deeper shots to the WRs when the above opened that up.
Seems like what we should be running. Ott, Ifanse, Stredick and the Jett are the heart of our offense, but (well, other than Ifanse) we need to get our speed backs outside the tackle box in space. And Jackson needs to be going in the other direction for bootlegs and keepers.
I find It amusing that you seem to have forgotten A. A. Ron Rodgers. He must've hurt your feels.GoBears72 said:
Craig Morton
Vince Ferragamo
Steve Bartkowski
Joe Roth
Troy Taylor
Rich Campbell
Pat Barnes
Kyle Boller
Nate Longshore
Jared Goff
What is preventing us from going in this direction?
killa22 said:
Y'all remember Brandon Mcilwain?
Yeah…..
heartofthebear said:In your dream world, Jackson is half as accurate as Goff. But Jackson misses wide open receivers while rolling out with plenty of time to throw. Where is the "upside" with an inaccurate passer? Some experts say inaccuracy is incurable. I don't necessarily agree with that. But the level of inaccuracy is concerning to me and enough that I think Mendoza should be given a chance. I think he is more accurate. But I'm sure his confidence is at an all time low at this point since the fans and coaches have dog-housed him for absolutely no reason other than that Jackson has "upside".calumnus said:Big C said:
We are moving towards quarterbacks who are more athletic and so height is not as much of an advantage as it used to be (still a plus, though). The thing is, even a "dual threat" quarterback needs to have "quarterback passing skills" which include more than just a strong arm and a pretty pass. They need to be great decision-makers (processing information) and they need to find the most open receiver under pressure.
Goff is great at moving around within the pocket and finding his receivers, then getting them the ball. Job One for a QB!
I loved the offense the Rams used to run with Goff that featured running Gurley mostly outside the tackles and every pass began with play action to Gurley and mostly Goff bootlegs with easy throws to Cooper Kupp and the TE underneath mixed/in with deeper shots to the WRs when the above opened that up.
Seems like what we should be running. Ott, Ifanse, Stredick and the Jett are the heart of our offense, but (well, other than Ifanse) we need to get our speed backs outside the tackle box in space. And Jackson needs to be going in the other direction for bootlegs and keepers.
paws and jw both hinted that Mendoza hasn't gotten settled back there, yet. He doesn't seem to have his wits about him. Call it game slowing down for him, or the freak out factor, he needs to have a stable, focused mental picture as the play unfolds. It may only be an experience factor - seeing the same things so many times that they become routine. Crowd noise makes it worse. Let's hope that's all it is - it dissipates with playing time. Worth another shot this week.oski003 said:heartofthebear said:In your dream world, Jackson is half as accurate as Goff. But Jackson misses wide open receivers while rolling out with plenty of time to throw. Where is the "upside" with an inaccurate passer? Some experts say inaccuracy is incurable. I don't necessarily agree with that. But the level of inaccuracy is concerning to me and enough that I think Mendoza should be given a chance. I think he is more accurate. But I'm sure his confidence is at an all time low at this point since the fans and coaches have dog-housed him for absolutely no reason other than that Jackson has "upside".calumnus said:Big C said:
We are moving towards quarterbacks who are more athletic and so height is not as much of an advantage as it used to be (still a plus, though). The thing is, even a "dual threat" quarterback needs to have "quarterback passing skills" which include more than just a strong arm and a pretty pass. They need to be great decision-makers (processing information) and they need to find the most open receiver under pressure.
Goff is great at moving around within the pocket and finding his receivers, then getting them the ball. Job One for a QB!
I loved the offense the Rams used to run with Goff that featured running Gurley mostly outside the tackles and every pass began with play action to Gurley and mostly Goff bootlegs with easy throws to Cooper Kupp and the TE underneath mixed/in with deeper shots to the WRs when the above opened that up.
Seems like what we should be running. Ott, Ifanse, Stredick and the Jett are the heart of our offense, but (well, other than Ifanse) we need to get our speed backs outside the tackle box in space. And Jackson needs to be going in the other direction for bootlegs and keepers.
Nobody doghoused Mendoza. He had been third string QB. That's all. Jackson still hasn't lost the job. If we are getting blown out in a game he actually starts, we should see what Mendoza can do.
And he's playing at home this week, so crowd noise shouldn't be an issue.Rushinbear said:paws and jw both hinted that Mendoza hasn't gotten settled back there, yet. He doesn't seem to have his wits about him. Call it game slowing down for him, or the freak out factor, he needs to have a stable, focused mental picture as the play unfolds. It may only be an experience factor - seeing the same things so many times that they become routine. Crowd noise makes it worse. Let's hope that's all it is - it dissipates with playing time. Worth another shot this week.oski003 said:heartofthebear said:In your dream world, Jackson is half as accurate as Goff. But Jackson misses wide open receivers while rolling out with plenty of time to throw. Where is the "upside" with an inaccurate passer? Some experts say inaccuracy is incurable. I don't necessarily agree with that. But the level of inaccuracy is concerning to me and enough that I think Mendoza should be given a chance. I think he is more accurate. But I'm sure his confidence is at an all time low at this point since the fans and coaches have dog-housed him for absolutely no reason other than that Jackson has "upside".calumnus said:Big C said:
We are moving towards quarterbacks who are more athletic and so height is not as much of an advantage as it used to be (still a plus, though). The thing is, even a "dual threat" quarterback needs to have "quarterback passing skills" which include more than just a strong arm and a pretty pass. They need to be great decision-makers (processing information) and they need to find the most open receiver under pressure.
Goff is great at moving around within the pocket and finding his receivers, then getting them the ball. Job One for a QB!
I loved the offense the Rams used to run with Goff that featured running Gurley mostly outside the tackles and every pass began with play action to Gurley and mostly Goff bootlegs with easy throws to Cooper Kupp and the TE underneath mixed/in with deeper shots to the WRs when the above opened that up.
Seems like what we should be running. Ott, Ifanse, Stredick and the Jett are the heart of our offense, but (well, other than Ifanse) we need to get our speed backs outside the tackle box in space. And Jackson needs to be going in the other direction for bootlegs and keepers.
Nobody doghoused Mendoza. He had been third string QB. That's all. Jackson still hasn't lost the job. If we are getting blown out in a game he actually starts, we should see what Mendoza can do.
oski003 said:heartofthebear said:In your dream world, Jackson is half as accurate as Goff. But Jackson misses wide open receivers while rolling out with plenty of time to throw. Where is the "upside" with an inaccurate passer? Some experts say inaccuracy is incurable. I don't necessarily agree with that. But the level of inaccuracy is concerning to me and enough that I think Mendoza should be given a chance. I think he is more accurate. But I'm sure his confidence is at an all time low at this point since the fans and coaches have dog-housed him for absolutely no reason other than that Jackson has "upside".calumnus said:Big C said:
We are moving towards quarterbacks who are more athletic and so height is not as much of an advantage as it used to be (still a plus, though). The thing is, even a "dual threat" quarterback needs to have "quarterback passing skills" which include more than just a strong arm and a pretty pass. They need to be great decision-makers (processing information) and they need to find the most open receiver under pressure.
Goff is great at moving around within the pocket and finding his receivers, then getting them the ball. Job One for a QB!
I loved the offense the Rams used to run with Goff that featured running Gurley mostly outside the tackles and every pass began with play action to Gurley and mostly Goff bootlegs with easy throws to Cooper Kupp and the TE underneath mixed/in with deeper shots to the WRs when the above opened that up.
Seems like what we should be running. Ott, Ifanse, Stredick and the Jett are the heart of our offense, but (well, other than Ifanse) we need to get our speed backs outside the tackle box in space. And Jackson needs to be going in the other direction for bootlegs and keepers.
Nobody doghoused Mendoza. He had been third string QB. That's all. Jackson still hasn't lost the job. If we are getting blown out in a game he actually starts, we should see what Mendoza can do.
Lmao, this **** again.calumnus said:oski003 said:heartofthebear said:In your dream world, Jackson is half as accurate as Goff. But Jackson misses wide open receivers while rolling out with plenty of time to throw. Where is the "upside" with an inaccurate passer? Some experts say inaccuracy is incurable. I don't necessarily agree with that. But the level of inaccuracy is concerning to me and enough that I think Mendoza should be given a chance. I think he is more accurate. But I'm sure his confidence is at an all time low at this point since the fans and coaches have dog-housed him for absolutely no reason other than that Jackson has "upside".calumnus said:Big C said:
We are moving towards quarterbacks who are more athletic and so height is not as much of an advantage as it used to be (still a plus, though). The thing is, even a "dual threat" quarterback needs to have "quarterback passing skills" which include more than just a strong arm and a pretty pass. They need to be great decision-makers (processing information) and they need to find the most open receiver under pressure.
Goff is great at moving around within the pocket and finding his receivers, then getting them the ball. Job One for a QB!
I loved the offense the Rams used to run with Goff that featured running Gurley mostly outside the tackles and every pass began with play action to Gurley and mostly Goff bootlegs with easy throws to Cooper Kupp and the TE underneath mixed/in with deeper shots to the WRs when the above opened that up.
Seems like what we should be running. Ott, Ifanse, Stredick and the Jett are the heart of our offense, but (well, other than Ifanse) we need to get our speed backs outside the tackle box in space. And Jackson needs to be going in the other direction for bootlegs and keepers.
Nobody doghoused Mendoza. He had been third string QB. That's all. Jackson still hasn't lost the job. If we are getting blown out in a game he actually starts, we should see what Mendoza can do.
At this point we are 3-0 with Jackson as a starter and we have outscored 4 opponents and tied the fifth with him in the game.
concernedparent said:Lmao, this **** again.calumnus said:oski003 said:heartofthebear said:In your dream world, Jackson is half as accurate as Goff. But Jackson misses wide open receivers while rolling out with plenty of time to throw. Where is the "upside" with an inaccurate passer? Some experts say inaccuracy is incurable. I don't necessarily agree with that. But the level of inaccuracy is concerning to me and enough that I think Mendoza should be given a chance. I think he is more accurate. But I'm sure his confidence is at an all time low at this point since the fans and coaches have dog-housed him for absolutely no reason other than that Jackson has "upside".calumnus said:Big C said:
We are moving towards quarterbacks who are more athletic and so height is not as much of an advantage as it used to be (still a plus, though). The thing is, even a "dual threat" quarterback needs to have "quarterback passing skills" which include more than just a strong arm and a pretty pass. They need to be great decision-makers (processing information) and they need to find the most open receiver under pressure.
Goff is great at moving around within the pocket and finding his receivers, then getting them the ball. Job One for a QB!
I loved the offense the Rams used to run with Goff that featured running Gurley mostly outside the tackles and every pass began with play action to Gurley and mostly Goff bootlegs with easy throws to Cooper Kupp and the TE underneath mixed/in with deeper shots to the WRs when the above opened that up.
Seems like what we should be running. Ott, Ifanse, Stredick and the Jett are the heart of our offense, but (well, other than Ifanse) we need to get our speed backs outside the tackle box in space. And Jackson needs to be going in the other direction for bootlegs and keepers.
Nobody doghoused Mendoza. He had been third string QB. That's all. Jackson still hasn't lost the job. If we are getting blown out in a game he actually starts, we should see what Mendoza can do.
At this point we are 3-0 with Jackson as a starter and we have outscored 4 opponents and tied the fifth with him in the game.
killa22 said:
Y'all remember Brandon Mcilwain?
Yeah…..
Oh, Jackson, of course. But, Mendo needs some time in there, unless it's close and going well for the o.calumnus said:concernedparent said:Lmao, this **** again.calumnus said:oski003 said:heartofthebear said:In your dream world, Jackson is half as accurate as Goff. But Jackson misses wide open receivers while rolling out with plenty of time to throw. Where is the "upside" with an inaccurate passer? Some experts say inaccuracy is incurable. I don't necessarily agree with that. But the level of inaccuracy is concerning to me and enough that I think Mendoza should be given a chance. I think he is more accurate. But I'm sure his confidence is at an all time low at this point since the fans and coaches have dog-housed him for absolutely no reason other than that Jackson has "upside".calumnus said:Big C said:
We are moving towards quarterbacks who are more athletic and so height is not as much of an advantage as it used to be (still a plus, though). The thing is, even a "dual threat" quarterback needs to have "quarterback passing skills" which include more than just a strong arm and a pretty pass. They need to be great decision-makers (processing information) and they need to find the most open receiver under pressure.
Goff is great at moving around within the pocket and finding his receivers, then getting them the ball. Job One for a QB!
I loved the offense the Rams used to run with Goff that featured running Gurley mostly outside the tackles and every pass began with play action to Gurley and mostly Goff bootlegs with easy throws to Cooper Kupp and the TE underneath mixed/in with deeper shots to the WRs when the above opened that up.
Seems like what we should be running. Ott, Ifanse, Stredick and the Jett are the heart of our offense, but (well, other than Ifanse) we need to get our speed backs outside the tackle box in space. And Jackson needs to be going in the other direction for bootlegs and keepers.
Nobody doghoused Mendoza. He had been third string QB. That's all. Jackson still hasn't lost the job. If we are getting blown out in a game he actually starts, we should see what Mendoza can do.
At this point we are 3-0 with Jackson as a starter and we have outscored 4 opponents and tied the fifth with him in the game.
Sure ignore the rest of my post that elaborates on that statement.
Do you really think someone else should be starting?
If Jackson is our best bet at QB, why not root for him?
calumnus said:concernedparent said:Lmao, this **** again.calumnus said:oski003 said:heartofthebear said:In your dream world, Jackson is half as accurate as Goff. But Jackson misses wide open receivers while rolling out with plenty of time to throw. Where is the "upside" with an inaccurate passer? Some experts say inaccuracy is incurable. I don't necessarily agree with that. But the level of inaccuracy is concerning to me and enough that I think Mendoza should be given a chance. I think he is more accurate. But I'm sure his confidence is at an all time low at this point since the fans and coaches have dog-housed him for absolutely no reason other than that Jackson has "upside".calumnus said:Big C said:
We are moving towards quarterbacks who are more athletic and so height is not as much of an advantage as it used to be (still a plus, though). The thing is, even a "dual threat" quarterback needs to have "quarterback passing skills" which include more than just a strong arm and a pretty pass. They need to be great decision-makers (processing information) and they need to find the most open receiver under pressure.
Goff is great at moving around within the pocket and finding his receivers, then getting them the ball. Job One for a QB!
I loved the offense the Rams used to run with Goff that featured running Gurley mostly outside the tackles and every pass began with play action to Gurley and mostly Goff bootlegs with easy throws to Cooper Kupp and the TE underneath mixed/in with deeper shots to the WRs when the above opened that up.
Seems like what we should be running. Ott, Ifanse, Stredick and the Jett are the heart of our offense, but (well, other than Ifanse) we need to get our speed backs outside the tackle box in space. And Jackson needs to be going in the other direction for bootlegs and keepers.
Nobody doghoused Mendoza. He had been third string QB. That's all. Jackson still hasn't lost the job. If we are getting blown out in a game he actually starts, we should see what Mendoza can do.
At this point we are 3-0 with Jackson as a starter and we have outscored 4 opponents and tied the fifth with him in the game.
Sure ignore the rest of my post that elaborates on that statement.
Do you really think someone else should be starting?
If Jackson is our best bet at QB, why not root for him?
