"Mel Tucker was given 100 million dollar buyout after a single good season." And lost on phone sex?

Sharp cookie.

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wc22 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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wc22 said:

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Tony Elliot's contract at Virgina is nearly identical both in salary and buyout to Wilcox's. He went 3-7 (2 games cancelled) his first year and is 0-5 right now. That is what a hiring a successful coordinator costs today for a very similar school to ours.

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At the rate UVA is playing, I won't be surprised if Elliot is fired well before Wilcox stops showing up on our sideline

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He has a 20m buyout. Which brings me back to my point, this looks like a normal contract. It wasn't the right move to extend, but the buyout isn't extreme. A new coach would demand a similar or much greater buyout (if you wanted a HC)

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Elliot is probably not the best comparison because he's only in his second year. I think when you hire a new coach it's pretty typical to give him a 4 ot 5-year deal with a pretty significant buyout. It protects the coach and the school. If Elliot continues to lose he probably doesn't even get to the end of his contract and they certainly won't be talking about an extension. The crazy thing about Wilcox is that they extended him before he had proven himself. He has never even had a winning conference record. The length of the extension was also crazy. Most head coaches with Wilcox's track record would have gotten a short extension at best, maybe two years, so teams didn't use it to recruit against him. So yes, this was a really bad deal. I can't think of a coach who has been so bad, so long and still has a job. How many bad football coaches last 7 years and are guaranteed to be paid for 11.

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Exactly. Eliot could still be Bruce Snyder.

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Oakbear said:

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"The fact we can't afford 20m for a buyout is an indictment of our donor support if anything."

Donors probably do not want to fork over that type of money to an AD that is suspect, would we get an upgrade for the money ... or just lift hopes until they are dashed again

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That seems like a cop out. I don't like the AD either, but he and the donors got together and got Madsen, who has been awesome so far.

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I keep reading this over and over. Sorry, but Madsen has proven NOTHING yet.

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He signed two four star transfers to a team that was one of the worst in the nation last year. He is also undefeated at Cal.

DiabloWags said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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wc22 said:

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I don't know about that list. Anyone in the 4 million dollar range is being paid well outside the Top 25 counting only Public Schools

Highest paid public school coach salaries in 2023 via @USAToday in millions

1 Nick Saban, Bama $11.407
2 Dabo Swinney, Clemson $10.884
3 Kirby Smart, Georgia $10.705
4 Ryan Day, Ohio St $10.271
5 Mel Tucker, Mich St $10.015
6 Brian Kelly, LSU $9.975
7 Jimbo Fisher, A&M $9.150
8…

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) October 3, 2023

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These guys are amateurs.
My old CEO, John Stankey of AT&T, has about $20 million per year in compensation. As a fairly large stock holder (for me, anyway) I can tell you that the company, the stock, etc. has done poorly. He makes Wilcox look like Apple's Cook.

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Patti Poppe, CEO of PG&E made $50 million in 2021.
The average salary for a CEO in the S&P 500 was $15.5 million in 2020.

PG&E's top boss harvests total exec pay that tops $50 million (mercurynews.com)

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Absolutely crazy.

82gradDLSdad said:

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DiabloWags said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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wc22 said:

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I don't know about that list. Anyone in the 4 million dollar range is being paid well outside the Top 25 counting only Public Schools

Highest paid public school coach salaries in 2023 via @USAToday in millions

1 Nick Saban, Bama $11.407
2 Dabo Swinney, Clemson $10.884
3 Kirby Smart, Georgia $10.705
4 Ryan Day, Ohio St $10.271
5 Mel Tucker, Mich St $10.015
6 Brian Kelly, LSU $9.975
7 Jimbo Fisher, A&M $9.150
8…

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) October 3, 2023

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These guys are amateurs.
My old CEO, John Stankey of AT&T, has about $20 million per year in compensation. As a fairly large stock holder (for me, anyway) I can tell you that the company, the stock, etc. has done poorly. He makes Wilcox look like Apple's Cook.

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Patti Poppe, CEO of PG&E made $50 million in 2021.
The average salary for a CEO in the S&P 500 was $15.5 million in 2020.

PG&E's top boss harvests total exec pay that tops $50 million (mercurynews.com)

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Absolutely crazy.

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Yeah, for a monopoly providing services that government run utilities provide more cheaply within PG&E's service footprint.

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That seems like a cop out. I don't like the AD either, but he and the donors got together and got Madsen, who has been awesome so far.

big difference between replacing a complete failure MF and comparing to JW .. JW is not a complete failure, but just not a top level coach.. you going to go out and hire a Saban/Dabo type?? or another 'up and comer" ....rolling the dice on that with the con artist (sorry shocks for stealing your name for him) is not a good idea

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If Wilcox is not a complete failure, he's damn close. Not only is he not a top level coach, he is not even an average coach. He is a totally mediocre coach at best.

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People struggle with this mediocre thing. Ben Braun had roughly a .500 record in conference. That's mediocre. JW is 18-33. That's not mediocre. It's fecal.

82gradDLSdad said:

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wc22 said:

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I don't know about that list. Anyone in the 4 million dollar range is being paid well outside the Top 25 counting only Public Schools

Highest paid public school coach salaries in 2023 via @USAToday in millions

1 Nick Saban, Bama $11.407
2 Dabo Swinney, Clemson $10.884
3 Kirby Smart, Georgia $10.705
4 Ryan Day, Ohio St $10.271
5 Mel Tucker, Mich St $10.015
6 Brian Kelly, LSU $9.975
7 Jimbo Fisher, A&M $9.150
8…

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) October 3, 2023

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These guys are amateurs.
My old CEO, John Stankey of AT&T, has about $20 million per year in compensation. As a fairly large stock holder (for me, anyway) I can tell you that the company, the stock, etc. has done poorly. He makes Wilcox look like Apple's Cook.

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Tim Apple?

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The laziness of some posters is amazing.

The buyouts in USA Today data is missing several big names like Lane Kiffin.

Wilcox likely has about the 45th highest salary in coaching, no where near Top 25.

His buyout is likely around 35th highest because several Public Schools didn't disclose that data.

The fact we can't afford 20m for a buyout is an indictment of our donor support if anything.

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you nailed it. people are more enamored with their feelings than they are with facts.

calumnus said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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DiabloWags said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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wc22 said:

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I don't know about that list. Anyone in the 4 million dollar range is being paid well outside the Top 25 counting only Public Schools

Highest paid public school coach salaries in 2023 via @USAToday in millions

1 Nick Saban, Bama $11.407
2 Dabo Swinney, Clemson $10.884
3 Kirby Smart, Georgia $10.705
4 Ryan Day, Ohio St $10.271
5 Mel Tucker, Mich St $10.015
6 Brian Kelly, LSU $9.975
7 Jimbo Fisher, A&M $9.150
8…

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) October 3, 2023

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These guys are amateurs.
My old CEO, John Stankey of AT&T, has about $20 million per year in compensation. As a fairly large stock holder (for me, anyway) I can tell you that the company, the stock, etc. has done poorly. He makes Wilcox look like Apple's Cook.

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Patti Poppe, CEO of PG&E made $50 million in 2021.
The average salary for a CEO in the S&P 500 was $15.5 million in 2020.

PG&E's top boss harvests total exec pay that tops $50 million (mercurynews.com)

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Absolutely crazy.

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Yeah, for a monopoly providing services that government run utilities provide more cheaply within PG&E's service footprint.

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It is disgusting. And Biden is the only democratic thing I've ever voted for. These folks haven't done much of anything to make this kind of money. As my PG&E bill rises (and we use VERY little energy. No AC or even heat. Yes, we are cheap) seeing this makes me lose my mind.

82gradDLSdad said:

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calumnus said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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DiabloWags said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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wc22 said:

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I don't know about that list. Anyone in the 4 million dollar range is being paid well outside the Top 25 counting only Public Schools

Highest paid public school coach salaries in 2023 via @USAToday in millions

1 Nick Saban, Bama $11.407
2 Dabo Swinney, Clemson $10.884
3 Kirby Smart, Georgia $10.705
4 Ryan Day, Ohio St $10.271
5 Mel Tucker, Mich St $10.015
6 Brian Kelly, LSU $9.975
7 Jimbo Fisher, A&M $9.150
8…

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) October 3, 2023

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These guys are amateurs.
My old CEO, John Stankey of AT&T, has about $20 million per year in compensation. As a fairly large stock holder (for me, anyway) I can tell you that the company, the stock, etc. has done poorly. He makes Wilcox look like Apple's Cook.

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Patti Poppe, CEO of PG&E made $50 million in 2021.
The average salary for a CEO in the S&P 500 was $15.5 million in 2020.

PG&E's top boss harvests total exec pay that tops $50 million (mercurynews.com)

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Absolutely crazy.

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Yeah, for a monopoly providing services that government run utilities provide more cheaply within PG&E's service footprint.

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It is disgusting. And Biden is the only democratic thing I've ever voted for. These folks haven't done much of anything to make this kind of money. As my PG&E bill rises (and we use VERY little energy. No AC or even heat. Yes, we are cheap) seeing this makes me lose my mind.

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No AC and no heat? Let me guess. You live in a yurt in San Clemente...Ed Begley. Is that you?

LunchTime said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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wc22 said:

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I don't know about that list. Anyone in the 4 million dollar range is being paid well outside the Top 25 counting only Public Schools

Highest paid public school coach salaries in 2023 via @USAToday in millions

1 Nick Saban, Bama $11.407
2 Dabo Swinney, Clemson $10.884
3 Kirby Smart, Georgia $10.705
4 Ryan Day, Ohio St $10.271
5 Mel Tucker, Mich St $10.015
6 Brian Kelly, LSU $9.975
7 Jimbo Fisher, A&M $9.150
8…

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) October 3, 2023

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These guys are amateurs.
My old CEO, John Stankey of AT&T, has about $20 million per year in compensation. As a fairly large stock holder (for me, anyway) I can tell you that the company, the stock, etc. has done poorly. He makes Wilcox look like Apple's Cook.

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Tim Apple?

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That bum? I've been waiting several years for that so called "executive" to turn my $2,300 something stock purchase from the early '90's into an eight digit balance. It's been only seven for far too long.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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calumnus said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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DiabloWags said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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wc22 said:

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I don't know about that list. Anyone in the 4 million dollar range is being paid well outside the Top 25 counting only Public Schools

Highest paid public school coach salaries in 2023 via @USAToday in millions

1 Nick Saban, Bama $11.407
2 Dabo Swinney, Clemson $10.884
3 Kirby Smart, Georgia $10.705
4 Ryan Day, Ohio St $10.271
5 Mel Tucker, Mich St $10.015
6 Brian Kelly, LSU $9.975
7 Jimbo Fisher, A&M $9.150
8…

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) October 3, 2023

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These guys are amateurs.
My old CEO, John Stankey of AT&T, has about $20 million per year in compensation. As a fairly large stock holder (for me, anyway) I can tell you that the company, the stock, etc. has done poorly. He makes Wilcox look like Apple's Cook.

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Patti Poppe, CEO of PG&E made $50 million in 2021.
The average salary for a CEO in the S&P 500 was $15.5 million in 2020.

PG&E's top boss harvests total exec pay that tops $50 million (mercurynews.com)

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Absolutely crazy.

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Yeah, for a monopoly providing services that government run utilities provide more cheaply within PG&E's service footprint.

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It is disgusting. And Biden is the only democratic thing I've ever voted for. These folks haven't done much of anything to make this kind of money. As my PG&E bill rises (and we use VERY little energy. No AC or even heat. Yes, we are cheap) seeing this makes me lose my mind.

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No AC and no heat? Let me guess. You live in a yurt in San Clemente...Ed Begley. Is that you?

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Bay Point. Secret town of the Bay area's elite.

82gradDLSdad said:

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calumnus said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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DiabloWags said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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wc22 said:

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I don't know about that list. Anyone in the 4 million dollar range is being paid well outside the Top 25 counting only Public Schools

Highest paid public school coach salaries in 2023 via @USAToday in millions

1 Nick Saban, Bama $11.407
2 Dabo Swinney, Clemson $10.884
3 Kirby Smart, Georgia $10.705
4 Ryan Day, Ohio St $10.271
5 Mel Tucker, Mich St $10.015
6 Brian Kelly, LSU $9.975
7 Jimbo Fisher, A&M $9.150
8…

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) October 3, 2023

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These guys are amateurs.
My old CEO, John Stankey of AT&T, has about $20 million per year in compensation. As a fairly large stock holder (for me, anyway) I can tell you that the company, the stock, etc. has done poorly. He makes Wilcox look like Apple's Cook.

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Patti Poppe, CEO of PG&E made $50 million in 2021.
The average salary for a CEO in the S&P 500 was $15.5 million in 2020.

PG&E's top boss harvests total exec pay that tops $50 million (mercurynews.com)

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Absolutely crazy.

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Yeah, for a monopoly providing services that government run utilities provide more cheaply within PG&E's service footprint.

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It is disgusting. And Biden is the only democratic thing I've ever voted for. These folks haven't done much of anything to make this kind of money. As my PG&E bill rises (and we use VERY little energy. No AC or even heat. Yes, we are cheap) seeing this makes me lose my mind.

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PG&E (SCE and SDG&E) pushed for the deregulation bill signed by Pete Wilson and implemented by Gray Davis that sent over $100 billion of California ratepayer dollars to Enron, Duke Power, et al as they openly manipulated the market while George W. Bush's Federal Energy Regulatory Commission refused to intervene against W's friends from Houston who soon later declared bankruptcy after openly hiding their ill gotten wealth in dozens of Florida mansions each (protected under Florida law).

calumnus said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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calumnus said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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DiabloWags said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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wc22 said:

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I don't know about that list. Anyone in the 4 million dollar range is being paid well outside the Top 25 counting only Public Schools

Highest paid public school coach salaries in 2023 via @USAToday in millions

1 Nick Saban, Bama $11.407
2 Dabo Swinney, Clemson $10.884
3 Kirby Smart, Georgia $10.705
4 Ryan Day, Ohio St $10.271
5 Mel Tucker, Mich St $10.015
6 Brian Kelly, LSU $9.975
7 Jimbo Fisher, A&M $9.150
8…

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) October 3, 2023

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These guys are amateurs.
My old CEO, John Stankey of AT&T, has about $20 million per year in compensation. As a fairly large stock holder (for me, anyway) I can tell you that the company, the stock, etc. has done poorly. He makes Wilcox look like Apple's Cook.

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Patti Poppe, CEO of PG&E made $50 million in 2021.
The average salary for a CEO in the S&P 500 was $15.5 million in 2020.

PG&E's top boss harvests total exec pay that tops $50 million (mercurynews.com)

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Absolutely crazy.

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Yeah, for a monopoly providing services that government run utilities provide more cheaply within PG&E's service footprint.

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It is disgusting. And Biden is the only democratic thing I've ever voted for. These folks haven't done much of anything to make this kind of money. As my PG&E bill rises (and we use VERY little energy. No AC or even heat. Yes, we are cheap) seeing this makes me lose my mind.

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PG&E (SCE and SDG&E) pushed for the deregulation bill signed by Pete Wilson and implemented by Gray Davis that sent over $100 billion of California ratepayer dollars to Enron, Duke Power, et al as they openly manipulated the market while George W. Bush's Federal Energy Regulatory Commission refused to intervene against W's friends from Houston who soon later declared bankruptcy after openly hiding their ill gotten wealth in dozens of Florida mansions each (protected under Florida law).

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And why do you hate America?

wc22 said:

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2023 Pac-12 Football HC Salaries

$6.62M—Lanning, Oregon*
$6.33M—Whittingham, Utah
$5.98M—Kelly, UCLA
$5.50M—Sanders, CU
$4.85M—Smith, OSU
$4.40M—Wilcox, Cal
$4.20M—DeBoer, UW
$3.85M—Dillingham, ASU
$3.25M—Fisch, Arizona
$2.70M—Dickert, WSU

*19th nationally

Stanford, USC, N/A

— SuperWest Sports (@SuperWestSports) October 3, 2023

DeBoer and Dickert underpaid.

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No doubt

Bobodeluxe said:

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calumnus said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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calumnus said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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DiabloWags said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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wc22 said:

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I don't know about that list. Anyone in the 4 million dollar range is being paid well outside the Top 25 counting only Public Schools

Highest paid public school coach salaries in 2023 via @USAToday in millions

1 Nick Saban, Bama $11.407
2 Dabo Swinney, Clemson $10.884
3 Kirby Smart, Georgia $10.705
4 Ryan Day, Ohio St $10.271
5 Mel Tucker, Mich St $10.015
6 Brian Kelly, LSU $9.975
7 Jimbo Fisher, A&M $9.150
8…

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) October 3, 2023

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These guys are amateurs.
My old CEO, John Stankey of AT&T, has about $20 million per year in compensation. As a fairly large stock holder (for me, anyway) I can tell you that the company, the stock, etc. has done poorly. He makes Wilcox look like Apple's Cook.

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Patti Poppe, CEO of PG&E made $50 million in 2021.
The average salary for a CEO in the S&P 500 was $15.5 million in 2020.

PG&E's top boss harvests total exec pay that tops $50 million (mercurynews.com)

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Absolutely crazy.

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Yeah, for a monopoly providing services that government run utilities provide more cheaply within PG&E's service footprint.

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It is disgusting. And Biden is the only democratic thing I've ever voted for. These folks haven't done much of anything to make this kind of money. As my PG&E bill rises (and we use VERY little energy. No AC or even heat. Yes, we are cheap) seeing this makes me lose my mind.

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PG&E (SCE and SDG&E) pushed for the deregulation bill signed by Pete Wilson and implemented by Gray Davis that sent over $100 billion of California ratepayer dollars to Enron, Duke Power, et al as they openly manipulated the market while George W. Bush's Federal Energy Regulatory Commission refused to intervene against W's friends from Houston who soon later declared bankruptcy after openly hiding their ill gotten wealth in dozens of Florida mansions each (protected under Florida law).

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And why do you hate America?

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I know you're kidding but this is our (the US's) problem. Both sides seemingly hate and love aspects of America and yet we concentrate on the parts we hate. And we are reminded daily to focus on the parts we hate and rarely encouraged by our leaders, our media to focus on the parts we both love.

#earlymorningmusings

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wc22 said:

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Tony Elliot's contract at Virgina is nearly identical both in salary and buyout to Wilcox's. He went 3-7 (2 games cancelled) his first year and is 0-5 right now. That is what a hiring a successful coordinator costs today for a very similar school to ours.

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At the rate UVA is playing, I won't be surprised if Elliot is fired well before Wilcox stops showing up on our sideline

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He has a 20m buyout. Which brings me back to my point, this looks like a normal contract. It wasn't the right move to extend, but the buyout isn't extreme. A new coach would demand a similar or much greater buyout (if you wanted a HC)

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Elliot-led UVA just beat 10th ranked UNC in an away game. Meanwhile Wilcox-led Cal can't even win games out of the Bay Area, let alone against ranked teams.

wc22 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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wc22 said:

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Tony Elliot's contract at Virgina is nearly identical both in salary and buyout to Wilcox's. He went 3-7 (2 games cancelled) his first year and is 0-5 right now. That is what a hiring a successful coordinator costs today for a very similar school to ours.

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At the rate UVA is playing, I won't be surprised if Elliot is fired well before Wilcox stops showing up on our sideline

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He has a 20m buyout. Which brings me back to my point, this looks like a normal contract. It wasn't the right move to extend, but the buyout isn't extreme. A new coach would demand a similar or much greater buyout (if you wanted a HC)

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Two years into his new contract his buyout is the 26th largest on the list. When given it was $30 million, then just outside the Top 10. That with a losing record overall finishing in the bottom half of the conference every year and following 1-3 and 5-7 seasons.

Since getting that 6 year extension he went 4-8 and is currently 3-4 with more losses likely.

"Overpaid" is not just what you pay, it is also what you are paying for.