So we can get our asses kicked every week.....

Trumpanzee said:

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So we can get our asses kicked every week.....

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the ACC is not the Pac-12.
That being said, this is Cal, so you can count on us kicking our own asses week in & week out

Having near-zero history with the ACC teams means I really don't care.

If we are undefeated I'll care about individual games. Otherwise I'll feel like we are in an 11 ooc game season.

The points are made up and the score doesn't matter. It's all preseason for the conference championship Big Game

Trumpanzee said:

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So we can get our asses kicked every week.....

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when's the last time u actually went to a cal football game?

ACC has zero programs as well run as Oregon, Washington, or Utah. Clemson was, but lost both OC and DC and the wheels came off.

The ACC has two teams committed to winning: Florida St (which isn't well run but Norvell has proven to be a good HC who might be the next Bama coach) and Clemson. Miami is horribly run. Cristobal isn't a good coach and mega donors have too much control over the program. UNC is a basketball school. Duke lucked into two great coaches in recent history. Pitt is as good as they will ever be and without an NFL QB are average. We absolutely can do well, bowl games almost every year, with just good NIL.

2024 has a +2 game swing based on strength of schedule. 2025 a +4 game swing (yes, this team you are complaining about would be favored in 9 games if they played our 2025 schedule per FPI).

That is how much harder the Pac is than the ACC.

LunchTime said:

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Having near-zero history with the ACC teams means I really don't care.

If we are undefeated I'll care about individual games. Otherwise I'll feel like we are in an 11 ooc game season.

The points are made up and the score doesn't matter. It's all preseason for the conference championship Big Game

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It wouldn't have been any better with the B1G, where we would have played a 7 OOC game season and the cream of the P12 the rest of the time.

The ACC is the best outcome in the new screwy NCAA.

wc22 said:

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ACC has zero programs as well run as Oregon, Washington, or Utah. Clemson was, but lost both OC and DC and the wheels came off.

The ACC has two teams committed to winning: Florida St (which isn't well run but Norvell has proven to be a good HC who might be the next Bama coach) and Clemson. Miami is horribly run. Cristobal isn't a good coach and mega donors have too much control over the program. UNC is a basketball school. Duke lucked into two great coaches in recent history. Pitt is as good as they will ever be and without an NFL QB are average. We absolutely can do well, bowl games almost every year, with just good NIL.

2024 has a +2 game swing based on strength of schedule. 2025 a +4 game swing (yes, this team you are complaining about would be favored in 9 games if they played our 2025 schedule per FPI).

That is how much harder the Pac is than the ACC.

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So, the UC Berkeley Bears have been relegated to the plus2, without tv money close to big12 levels. What else could anyone ask for?

Bobodeluxe said:

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wc22 said:

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ACC has zero programs as well run as Oregon, Washington, or Utah. Clemson was, but lost both OC and DC and the wheels came off.

The ACC has two teams committed to winning: Florida St (which isn't well run but Norvell has proven to be a good HC who might be the next Bama coach) and Clemson. Miami is horribly run. Cristobal isn't a good coach and mega donors have too much control over the program. UNC is a basketball school. Duke lucked into two great coaches in recent history. Pitt is as good as they will ever be and without an NFL QB are average. We absolutely can do well, bowl games almost every year, with just good NIL.

2024 has a +2 game swing based on strength of schedule. 2025 a +4 game swing (yes, this team you are complaining about would be favored in 9 games if they played our 2025 schedule per FPI).

That is how much harder the Pac is than the ACC.

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So, the UC Berkeley Bears have been relegated to the plus2, without tv money close to big12 levels. What else could anyone ask for?

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Money is a huge issue but it will be interesting to see which of the Other-2 gets more exposure. I bet it is the ACC for a few reasons, but yes, having much less media money than others will be a very big issue. It is why I encourage everyone who can to help NIL because that is the only area we have a shot to have an advantage in.

Shocky1 said:

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Trumpanzee said:

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So we can get our asses kicked every week.....

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when's the last time u actually went to a cal football game?

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Every year. My brother and I would pick an away game (usually non conference) to get a feel of different campuses. We've been to Minnesota to their new field, been to beautiful Reno to see our asses kicked by Kapernick, did you have s point?

Bobodeluxe said:

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wc22 said:

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ACC has zero programs as well run as Oregon, Washington, or Utah. Clemson was, but lost both OC and DC and the wheels came off.

The ACC has two teams committed to winning: Florida St (which isn't well run but Norvell has proven to be a good HC who might be the next Bama coach) and Clemson. Miami is horribly run. Cristobal isn't a good coach and mega donors have too much control over the program. UNC is a basketball school. Duke lucked into two great coaches in recent history. Pitt is as good as they will ever be and without an NFL QB are average. We absolutely can do well, bowl games almost every year, with just good NIL.

2024 has a +2 game swing based on strength of schedule. 2025 a +4 game swing (yes, this team you are complaining about would be favored in 9 games if they played our 2025 schedule per FPI).

That is how much harder the Pac is than the ACC.

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So, the UC Berkeley Bears have been relegated to the plus2, without tv money close to big12 levels. What else could anyone ask for?

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Our athletic program should only be known as Cal.
California has a reputation of being one of the best regions in the world.
Berkeley has a reputation of being one of the best universities in the world.
Cal is known for being losers in football and basketball, with the occasional fluke of a great season sprinkled into decades of mediocrity.

wc22 said:

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ACC has zero programs as well run as Oregon, Washington, or Utah. Clemson was, but lost both OC and DC and the wheels came off.

The ACC has two teams committed to winning: Florida St (which isn't well run but Norvell has proven to be a good HC who might be the next Bama coach) and Clemson. Miami is horribly run. Cristobal isn't a good coach and mega donors have too much control over the program. UNC is a basketball school. Duke lucked into two great coaches in recent history. Pitt is as good as they will ever be and without an NFL QB are average. We absolutely can do well, bowl games almost every year, with just good NIL.

2024 has a +2 game swing based on strength of schedule. 2025 a +4 game swing (yes, this team you are complaining about would be favored in 9 games if they played our 2025 schedule per FPI).

That is how much harder the Pac is than the ACC.

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USC is maybe our 5th or 6th toughest conference game this season (depending how you view them vs @ UCLA)

If this game was a conference game next year, it will clearly be the 2nd hardest game in the ACC for us. It's crazy

LunchTime said:

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Having near-zero history with the ACC teams means I really don't care.

If we are undefeated I'll care about individual games. Otherwise I'll feel like we are in an 11 ooc game season.

The points are made up and the score doesn't matter. It's all preseason for the conference championship Big Game

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You cannot tell the story of the University of Miami without devoting some time to Cal.

So I'd say that is more than a near-zero history with an ACC team.

California hosts Miami in a conference football game next year. What a world.

— Shehan Jeyarajah (@ShehanJeyarajah) October 30, 2023

According the latest ESPN rankings, we are behind GT, WF, Syracuse, VT, and Pitt. Looks like it will be Cal vs BC in battle for the bottom of ACC in 2024

DoubtfulBear said:

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According the latest ESPN rankings, we are behind GT, WF, Syracuse, VT, and Pitt. Looks like it will be Cal vs BC in battle for the bottom of ACC in 2024

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So there's a chance?

Cal88 said:

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LunchTime said:

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Having near-zero history with the ACC teams means I really don't care.

If we are undefeated I'll care about individual games. Otherwise I'll feel like we are in an 11 ooc game season.

The points are made up and the score doesn't matter. It's all preseason for the conference championship Big Game

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It wouldn't have been any better with the B1G, where we would have played a 7 OOC game season and the cream of the P12 the rest of the time.

The ACC is the best outcome in the new screwy NCAA.

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The PAC had 7 decades of rivalry and shared tradition with the B1G through the Rose Bowl and little things like Ohio States band. The connection between conferences goes as deep as the south having pro athletes and the Big9 and PCC having amateur student athletes. Also, black students playing.

Pappy is a shared hero between Cal and Northwestern as another example.

We don't have shared academics. Shared values. We haven't incorporated traditions or styles. We don't even play each other:

FSU - 0 games
Louisville - 0 games
Georgia Tech - 7 games including 1929 Rose Bowl! Actual connection.
NC - home and home a couple years ago.
BC - 1 game
Duke - home and home in 1962/63
NC state - 0 games
VT - Tedford shootout bowl
Clemson - New years cap to '91
Miami - 4 games, including White freshman kick return and a baseball park bowl win.
Pitt - 6? Used to get together in the 50s and 60s.
Virginia - 0
WF - 0
Syracuse - home and home in 1967/68

Pitt and GT are the only real history we have with the ACC


OSU - 8
Michigan - 8
Penn state - 4
Rutgers - 1, 9/11 game
Maryland - home and home a few years ago
MSU - 4 in the 2000s
Indiana - home and home 1969/70
Iowa - 4 (inc Rose Bowl)
Nebraska - 3
Wisconsin - 6
Minnesota - 6
Northwestern - 3 (inc Rose Bowl and sharing pappy)
Illinois - 11
Purdue - home and home 91/92

We have literally zero history with 5 teams in the ACC. Most of our connections with the current BIG teams goes back to the 50s or earlier.

The idea that we would be in the same "who the **** are these teams" boat in the B1G is silly. Everyone knows it. Honestly, until I looked, I didn't really know how out of place the ACC was. So thanks for that.

LunchTime said:

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Cal88 said:

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LunchTime said:

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Having near-zero history with the ACC teams means I really don't care.

If we are undefeated I'll care about individual games. Otherwise I'll feel like we are in an 11 ooc game season.

The points are made up and the score doesn't matter. It's all preseason for the conference championship Big Game

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It wouldn't have been any better with the B1G, where we would have played a 7 OOC game season and the cream of the P12 the rest of the time.

The ACC is the best outcome in the new screwy NCAA.

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The PAC had 7 decades of rivalry and shared tradition with the B1G through the Rose Bowl and little things like Ohio States band. The connection between conferences goes as deep as the south having pro athletes and the Big9 and PCC having amateur student athletes. Also, black students playing.

Pappy is a shared hero between Cal and Northwestern as another example.

We don't have shared academics. Shared values. We haven't incorporated traditions or styles. We don't even play each other:

FSU - 0 games
Louisville - 0 games
Georgia Tech - 7 games including 1929 Rose Bowl! Actual connection.
NC - home and home a couple years ago.
BC - 1 game
Duke - home and home in 1962/63
NC state - 0 games
VT - Tedford shootout bowl
Clemson - New years cap to '91
Miami - 4 games, including White freshman kick return and a baseball park bowl win.
Pitt - 6? Used to get together in the 50s and 60s.
Virginia - 0
WF - 0
Syracuse - home and home in 1967/68

Pitt and GT are the only real history we have with the ACC


OSU - 8
Michigan - 8
Penn state - 4
Rutgers - 1, 9/11 game
Maryland - home and home a few years ago
MSU - 4 in the 2000s
Indiana - home and home 1969/70
Iowa - 4 (inc Rose Bowl)
Nebraska - 3
Wisconsin - 6
Minnesota - 6
Northwestern - 3 (inc Rose Bowl and sharing pappy)
Illinois - 11
Purdue - home and home 91/92

We have literally zero history with 5 teams in the ACC. Most of our connections with the current BIG teams goes back to the 50s or earlier.

The idea that we would be in the same "who the **** are these teams" boat in the B1G is silly. Everyone knows it. Honestly, until I looked, I didn't really know how out of place the ACC was. So thanks for that.

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The history with the B1G is mostly before I was born, definitely before I was a Cal fan.

Schools like Carolina and Duke we have some history in basketball.

The B1G would have been better from a historical/rivalry position, but only because we would be in a pod with UCLA, USC, UW and Oregon. That is also why would we get smoked.

Given we were in the Pac-4 looking to partner with the MWC or the AAC, the fact we are in the ACC is a fantastic result. And the away locations are MUCH better than the B1G. Bottom line, I am looking forward to next year over this year in the PAC-12, and would NOT be looking forward to next year in the B1G.

DoubtfulBear said:

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According the latest ESPN rankings, we are behind GT, WF, Syracuse, VT, and Pitt. Looks like it will be Cal vs BC in battle for the bottom of ACC in 2024

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If ESPN thinks any of those teams (bar maybe GT) will have more wins with Cal's current schedule than Cal, then let's say I disagree strongly.

DoubtfulBear said:

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According the latest ESPN rankings, we are behind GT, WF, Syracuse, VT, and Pitt. Looks like it will be Cal vs BC in battle for the bottom of ACC in 2024

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This Oregon game hurt our efficiencies so much that 4 ACC jumped us in SP+ and 3 jumped us in FPI. I imagine we will look better once we play WSU and Stanford.

I hope we don't rationalize that the ACC was a blessing in disguise. It was an 11th hour rescue offered reluctantly to us. It did nothing to fix our internal problems and apparent failings. So, will see if our admin does anything with this stat of execution.