how many USC fans will attend the vegas bowl to watch a williams-less usc lose to [insert any team here]? 1000? less?
They need to give this bid to Cal. Cal fans will show up in droves and I need a trip to vegas.

That actually looks kind of cool. More Cal fans would attend this bowl game than the military defense consultancy bowl.

you mean the 2023 Selective Service Administration & Business Papers Bowl?

philly1121 said:

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That actually looks kind of cool. More Cal fans would attend this bowl game than the military defense consultancy bowl.

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The military-industrial complex bowl?

ducky23 said:

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harebear said:

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I’m hearing it’s likely UCLA goes to Independence Bowl because of tiebreakers that will send Cal to LA Bowl.

— Ben Bolch (@latbbolch) November 26, 2023

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I'm fairly sure this is wrong.

Bowls get to pick. Not based on standings.

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Only the top 3 bowl tie-ins (Alamo, Las Vegas and Holiday bowls) have a choice of teams as long as there is no more than a one-game difference in conference record. I believe the Sun Bowl and LA Bowl are obligated to take the next two teams based on conference standings (ie, only Pac-12 games + Pac-12 tiebreaker rules).

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-huskies/pac-12-bowl-projections-could-uw-miss-out-on-the-college-football-playoff/

If UW/Oregon go to CFP/NY6 bowls as expected, the Alamo will be obligated to invite Arizona (7-2) while the Las Vegas and Holiday bowls could invite Oregon St, Utah, USC, Cal or UCLA since they are all within 1 game of each other. Very likely, those 2 bowls would choose Oregon St, Utah, or USC leaving the 3rd team in the Sun Bowl and Cal in the LA Bowl. UCLA to the Independence Bowl I guess.

youngbear1992 said:

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ducky23 said:

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harebear said:

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I’m hearing it’s likely UCLA goes to Independence Bowl because of tiebreakers that will send Cal to LA Bowl.

— Ben Bolch (@latbbolch) November 26, 2023

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I'm fairly sure this is wrong.

Bowls get to pick. Not based on standings.

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Only the top 3 bowl tie-ins (Alamo, Las Vegas and Holiday bowls) have a choice of teams as long as there is no more than a one-game difference in conference record. I believe the Sun Bowl and LA Bowl are obligated to take the next two teams based on conference standings (ie, only Pac-12 games + Pac-12 tiebreaker rules).

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-huskies/pac-12-bowl-projections-could-uw-miss-out-on-the-college-football-playoff/

If UW/Oregon go to CFP/NY6 bowls as expected, the Alamo will be obligated to invite Arizona (7-2) while the Las Vegas and Holiday bowls could invite Oregon St, Utah, USC, Cal or UCLA since they are all within 1 game of each other. Very likely, those 2 bowls would choose Oregon St, Utah, or USC leaving the 3rd team in the Sun Bowl and Cal in the LA Bowl. UCLA to the Independence Bowl I guess.

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Ahh, I see the logic here. So it actually looks like the LA Bowl is most likely, given Cal having the same conference record as UCLA and having beaten them head to head. Jimmy Kimmel, here we come!

sycasey said:

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youngbear1992 said:

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ducky23 said:

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harebear said:

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I’m hearing it’s likely UCLA goes to Independence Bowl because of tiebreakers that will send Cal to LA Bowl.

— Ben Bolch (@latbbolch) November 26, 2023

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I'm fairly sure this is wrong.

Bowls get to pick. Not based on standings.

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Only the top 3 bowl tie-ins (Alamo, Las Vegas and Holiday bowls) have a choice of teams as long as there is no more than a one-game difference in conference record. I believe the Sun Bowl and LA Bowl are obligated to take the next two teams based on conference standings (ie, only Pac-12 games + Pac-12 tiebreaker rules).

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-huskies/pac-12-bowl-projections-could-uw-miss-out-on-the-college-football-playoff/

If UW/Oregon go to CFP/NY6 bowls as expected, the Alamo will be obligated to invite Arizona (7-2) while the Las Vegas and Holiday bowls could invite Oregon St, Utah, USC, Cal or UCLA since they are all within 1 game of each other. Very likely, those 2 bowls would choose Oregon St, Utah, or USC leaving the 3rd team in the Sun Bowl and Cal in the LA Bowl. UCLA to the Independence Bowl I guess.

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Ahh, I see the logic here. So it actually looks like the LA Bowl is most likely, given Cal having the same conference record as UCLA and having beaten them head to head. Jimmy Kimmel, here we come!

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Oh that's crazy. I didn't know that rule. I thought bowls could choose whoever as long as within 1 game.

I guess the one thing that could screw us is if Vegas or holiday choose ucla. I think it's probably unlikely, but ucla's proximity to Vegas/SD could play a role

ducky23 said:

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sycasey said:

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youngbear1992 said:

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ducky23 said:

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harebear said:

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I’m hearing it’s likely UCLA goes to Independence Bowl because of tiebreakers that will send Cal to LA Bowl.

— Ben Bolch (@latbbolch) November 26, 2023

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I'm fairly sure this is wrong.

Bowls get to pick. Not based on standings.

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Only the top 3 bowl tie-ins (Alamo, Las Vegas and Holiday bowls) have a choice of teams as long as there is no more than a one-game difference in conference record. I believe the Sun Bowl and LA Bowl are obligated to take the next two teams based on conference standings (ie, only Pac-12 games + Pac-12 tiebreaker rules).

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-huskies/pac-12-bowl-projections-could-uw-miss-out-on-the-college-football-playoff/

If UW/Oregon go to CFP/NY6 bowls as expected, the Alamo will be obligated to invite Arizona (7-2) while the Las Vegas and Holiday bowls could invite Oregon St, Utah, USC, Cal or UCLA since they are all within 1 game of each other. Very likely, those 2 bowls would choose Oregon St, Utah, or USC leaving the 3rd team in the Sun Bowl and Cal in the LA Bowl. UCLA to the Independence Bowl I guess.

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Ahh, I see the logic here. So it actually looks like the LA Bowl is most likely, given Cal having the same conference record as UCLA and having beaten them head to head. Jimmy Kimmel, here we come!

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I guess the one thing that could screw us is if Vegas or holiday choose ucla. I think it's probably unlikely, but ucla's proximity to Vegas/SD could play a role

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Location matters more for the SoCal bowls, and we would be pissed if the Foster Farms Bowl (if it was still around) picked a SoCal team over us, etc. Vegas however matters less for proximity but we are way too far down the bowl ladder for that to be a possibility, unless teams drop out.

Strykur said:

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ducky23 said:

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sycasey said:

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youngbear1992 said:

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ducky23 said:

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harebear said:

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I’m hearing it’s likely UCLA goes to Independence Bowl because of tiebreakers that will send Cal to LA Bowl.

— Ben Bolch (@latbbolch) November 26, 2023

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I'm fairly sure this is wrong.

Bowls get to pick. Not based on standings.

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Only the top 3 bowl tie-ins (Alamo, Las Vegas and Holiday bowls) have a choice of teams as long as there is no more than a one-game difference in conference record. I believe the Sun Bowl and LA Bowl are obligated to take the next two teams based on conference standings (ie, only Pac-12 games + Pac-12 tiebreaker rules).

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-huskies/pac-12-bowl-projections-could-uw-miss-out-on-the-college-football-playoff/

If UW/Oregon go to CFP/NY6 bowls as expected, the Alamo will be obligated to invite Arizona (7-2) while the Las Vegas and Holiday bowls could invite Oregon St, Utah, USC, Cal or UCLA since they are all within 1 game of each other. Very likely, those 2 bowls would choose Oregon St, Utah, or USC leaving the 3rd team in the Sun Bowl and Cal in the LA Bowl. UCLA to the Independence Bowl I guess.

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Ahh, I see the logic here. So it actually looks like the LA Bowl is most likely, given Cal having the same conference record as UCLA and having beaten them head to head. Jimmy Kimmel, here we come!

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I guess the one thing that could screw us is if Vegas or holiday choose ucla. I think it's probably unlikely, but ucla's proximity to Vegas/SD could play a role

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Location matters more for the SoCal bowls, and we would be pissed if the Foster Farms Bowl (if it was still around) picked a SoCal team over us, etc. Vegas however matters less for proximity but we are way too far down the bowl ladder for that to be a possibility, unless teams drop out.

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Sorry to clarify, if Vegas/holiday does choose ucla (for whatever reason), we would be stuck in independence bowl.

Another thing that would screw us is if one of Oregon/WA doesn't make playoffs/NY6

ducky23 said:

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Strykur said:

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ducky23 said:

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sycasey said:

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youngbear1992 said:

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ducky23 said:

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harebear said:

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I’m hearing it’s likely UCLA goes to Independence Bowl because of tiebreakers that will send Cal to LA Bowl.

— Ben Bolch (@latbbolch) November 26, 2023

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I'm fairly sure this is wrong.

Bowls get to pick. Not based on standings.

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Only the top 3 bowl tie-ins (Alamo, Las Vegas and Holiday bowls) have a choice of teams as long as there is no more than a one-game difference in conference record. I believe the Sun Bowl and LA Bowl are obligated to take the next two teams based on conference standings (ie, only Pac-12 games + Pac-12 tiebreaker rules).

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-huskies/pac-12-bowl-projections-could-uw-miss-out-on-the-college-football-playoff/

If UW/Oregon go to CFP/NY6 bowls as expected, the Alamo will be obligated to invite Arizona (7-2) while the Las Vegas and Holiday bowls could invite Oregon St, Utah, USC, Cal or UCLA since they are all within 1 game of each other. Very likely, those 2 bowls would choose Oregon St, Utah, or USC leaving the 3rd team in the Sun Bowl and Cal in the LA Bowl. UCLA to the Independence Bowl I guess.

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Ahh, I see the logic here. So it actually looks like the LA Bowl is most likely, given Cal having the same conference record as UCLA and having beaten them head to head. Jimmy Kimmel, here we come!

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I guess the one thing that could screw us is if Vegas or holiday choose ucla. I think it's probably unlikely, but ucla's proximity to Vegas/SD could play a role

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Location matters more for the SoCal bowls, and we would be pissed if the Foster Farms Bowl (if it was still around) picked a SoCal team over us, etc. Vegas however matters less for proximity but we are way too far down the bowl ladder for that to be a possibility, unless teams drop out.

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Sorry to clarify, if Vegas/holiday does choose ucla (for whatever reason), we would be stuck in independence bowl.

Another thing that would screw us is if one of Oregon/WA doesn't make playoffs/NY6

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I highly doubt Holiday Bowl picks the bear runts given the tiff over them dropping out of the game in 2021, and just based on profiles I don't think Vegas would go with us over them, but Oregon and Washington are definitely both going to the playoff/NY6.

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you mean the 2023 Selective Service Administration & Business Papers Bowl?

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you mean the Hurry Up and Wait Bowl?

cheesiest military joke, I know, but it's a classic

I think the big wild card is Oregon State. Do they still play in a bowl if a bunch of their team enters the portal and Smith already on his way out the door?

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I think the big wild card is Oregon State. Do they still play in a bowl if a bunch of their team enters the portal and Smith already on his way out the door?

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I wonder what coaches and players follow him

youngbear1992 said:

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ducky23 said:

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harebear said:

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I’m hearing it’s likely UCLA goes to Independence Bowl because of tiebreakers that will send Cal to LA Bowl.

— Ben Bolch (@latbbolch) November 26, 2023

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I'm fairly sure this is wrong.

Bowls get to pick. Not based on standings.

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Only the top 3 bowl tie-ins (Alamo, Las Vegas and Holiday bowls) have a choice of teams as long as there is no more than a one-game difference in conference record. I believe the Sun Bowl and LA Bowl are obligated to take the next two teams based on conference standings (ie, only Pac-12 games + Pac-12 tiebreaker rules).

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-huskies/pac-12-bowl-projections-could-uw-miss-out-on-the-college-football-playoff/

If UW/Oregon go to CFP/NY6 bowls as expected, the Alamo will be obligated to invite Arizona (7-2) while the Las Vegas and Holiday bowls could invite Oregon St, Utah, USC, Cal or UCLA since they are all within 1 game of each other. Very likely, those 2 bowls would choose Oregon St, Utah, or USC leaving the 3rd team in the Sun Bowl and Cal in the LA Bowl. UCLA to the Independence Bowl I guess.

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Are you sure that sun and LA bowl must take teams based on standings (or tie breaker rules)

This article (albeit from 2021) seems to suggest that while sun and LA bowl do need to take based on standings, they do have a choice if there are teams that are tied (ie both have 4-5 conference records). Basically they don't need adhere to tie breaker rules. If two teams are tied, they can just choose

https://www.cougcenter.com/platform/amp/wsu-cougars-football/2021/11/28/22806524/2021-pac-12-bowl-selection-process-explained-rose-alamo-las-vegas-los-angeles-sun-holiday

Have you seen anything to contradict this? Have you read something that actually says sun and LA bowl need to adhere to tie breaker rules?

ducky23 said:

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youngbear1992 said:

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ducky23 said:

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harebear said:

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I’m hearing it’s likely UCLA goes to Independence Bowl because of tiebreakers that will send Cal to LA Bowl.

— Ben Bolch (@latbbolch) November 26, 2023

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I'm fairly sure this is wrong.

Bowls get to pick. Not based on standings.

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Only the top 3 bowl tie-ins (Alamo, Las Vegas and Holiday bowls) have a choice of teams as long as there is no more than a one-game difference in conference record. I believe the Sun Bowl and LA Bowl are obligated to take the next two teams based on conference standings (ie, only Pac-12 games + Pac-12 tiebreaker rules).

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-huskies/pac-12-bowl-projections-could-uw-miss-out-on-the-college-football-playoff/

If UW/Oregon go to CFP/NY6 bowls as expected, the Alamo will be obligated to invite Arizona (7-2) while the Las Vegas and Holiday bowls could invite Oregon St, Utah, USC, Cal or UCLA since they are all within 1 game of each other. Very likely, those 2 bowls would choose Oregon St, Utah, or USC leaving the 3rd team in the Sun Bowl and Cal in the LA Bowl. UCLA to the Independence Bowl I guess.

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Are you sure that sun and LA bowl must take teams based on standings (or tie breaker rules)

This article (albeit from 2021) seems to suggest that while sun and LA bowl do need to take based on standings, they do have a choice if there are teams that are tied (ie both have 4-5 conference records). Basically they don't need adhere to tie breaker rules. If two teams are tied, they can just choose

https://www.cougcenter.com/platform/amp/wsu-cougars-football/2021/11/28/22806524/2021-pac-12-bowl-selection-process-explained-rose-alamo-las-vegas-los-angeles-sun-holiday

Have you seen anything to contradict this? Have you read something that actually says sun and LA bowl need to adhere to tie breaker rules?

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Definitely NOT sure at all on these tied record cases. It could be the Sun and LA bowls can choose anyone with the same record when they're choosing and claim they were all tied for the Pac-12 #5 slot.

ducky23 said:

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youngbear1992 said:

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ducky23 said:

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harebear said:

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I’m hearing it’s likely UCLA goes to Independence Bowl because of tiebreakers that will send Cal to LA Bowl.

— Ben Bolch (@latbbolch) November 26, 2023

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I'm fairly sure this is wrong.

Bowls get to pick. Not based on standings.

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Only the top 3 bowl tie-ins (Alamo, Las Vegas and Holiday bowls) have a choice of teams as long as there is no more than a one-game difference in conference record. I believe the Sun Bowl and LA Bowl are obligated to take the next two teams based on conference standings (ie, only Pac-12 games + Pac-12 tiebreaker rules).

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-huskies/pac-12-bowl-projections-could-uw-miss-out-on-the-college-football-playoff/

If UW/Oregon go to CFP/NY6 bowls as expected, the Alamo will be obligated to invite Arizona (7-2) while the Las Vegas and Holiday bowls could invite Oregon St, Utah, USC, Cal or UCLA since they are all within 1 game of each other. Very likely, those 2 bowls would choose Oregon St, Utah, or USC leaving the 3rd team in the Sun Bowl and Cal in the LA Bowl. UCLA to the Independence Bowl I guess.

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Are you sure that sun and LA bowl must take teams based on standings (or tie breaker rules)

This article (albeit from 2021) seems to suggest that while sun and LA bowl do need to take based on standings, they do have a choice if there are teams that are tied (ie both have 4-5 conference records). Basically they don't need adhere to tie breaker rules. If two teams are tied, they can just choose

https://www.cougcenter.com/platform/amp/wsu-cougars-football/2021/11/28/22806524/2021-pac-12-bowl-selection-process-explained-rose-alamo-las-vegas-los-angeles-sun-holiday

Have you seen anything to contradict this? Have you read something that actually says sun and LA bowl need to adhere to tie breaker rules?

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AFAIK that old Wazzu fan site article is correct. The bottom-tier bowls have to choose the available remaining team with the best conference record, or choose among the teams tied with that conference record.

Cal and UCLA are almost certainly going to the bottom two bowl games.

FWIW, CBS projects Independence Bowl (12/16 in Shreveport), and our opponent will be Texas Tech.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/bowls/predictions/

Sporting News has Cal playing UNLV in the LA Bowl.

College football bowl projections for championship week: Will Washington, FSU hold onto playoff spots? | Sporting News

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Sporting News has Cal playing UNLV in the LA Bowl.

College football bowl projections for championship week: Will Washington, FSU hold onto playoff spots? | Sporting News

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I don't think this scenario is even possible. Sporting News has Cal in the LA Bowl and USC in the Independence Bowl, but if USC is still available, I think the LA Bowl is required to choose them because they have a better conference record than Cal. The LA Bowl can choose Cal over UCLA, but not Cal over USC, as I understand it.

Any truth to this rumor?

Update: I am hearing that the LA Bowl would conflict with finals for #Cal. It's still a possibility however, Cal is pushing to get into the First Responders Bowl (Dec 26). Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl (Dec 23) and Union Home Mortgage Gasparilla Bowl are options too (Dec 22). https://t.co/sNL5u6oXrl

— Cal Sports (@CAL_SPORTS_) November 27, 2023

Whether true or not, we should be pushing for the LA Bowl. Cal players have probably been taking mid-terms on the road or on a revised schedule all semester. That's just the nature of college athletics. The LA Bowl is clearly the best bowl in terms of prestige, location (Cal fans thirsty for a bowl game would pack it out), cost, and even a reward for the substantial amount of So Cal Bears who can just stay and take their extended winter breaks there (early in the bowl season but still extra reps, then some well-deserved time off). Let's reward the student-athletes who have been grinding since July. You can do finals and play in the LA Bowl - it's not mutually exclusive.

KoreAmBear said:

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Any truth to this rumor?

Update: I am hearing that the LA Bowl would conflict with finals for #Cal. It's still a possibility however, Cal is pushing to get into the First Responders Bowl (Dec 26). Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl (Dec 23) and Union Home Mortgage Gasparilla Bowl are options too (Dec 22). https://t.co/sNL5u6oXrl

— Cal Sports (@CAL_SPORTS_) November 27, 2023

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you decide

Benji deleted his tweet... so i'll use this one.

Where do you get ur info from man lol 🤦‍♂️🤣

— Marshall Cherrington (@MWCherrington) November 27, 2023

philbert said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Any truth to this rumor?

Update: I am hearing that the LA Bowl would conflict with finals for #Cal. It's still a possibility however, Cal is pushing to get into the First Responders Bowl (Dec 26). Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl (Dec 23) and Union Home Mortgage Gasparilla Bowl are options too (Dec 22). https://t.co/sNL5u6oXrl

— Cal Sports (@CAL_SPORTS_) November 27, 2023

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you decide

Benji deleted his tweet... so i'll use this one.

Where do you get ur info from man lol 🤦‍♂️🤣

— Marshall Cherrington (@MWCherrington) November 27, 2023

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Thanks. I hope we are actually trying to get an LA Bowl bid.

KoreAmBear said:

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Any truth to this rumor?

Update: I am hearing that the LA Bowl would conflict with finals for #Cal. It's still a possibility however, Cal is pushing to get into the First Responders Bowl (Dec 26). Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl (Dec 23) and Union Home Mortgage Gasparilla Bowl are options too (Dec 22). https://t.co/sNL5u6oXrl

— Cal Sports (@CAL_SPORTS_) November 27, 2023

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I don't think this guy knows anything.

zorbarick said:

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bear2034 said:

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Sporting News has Cal playing UNLV in the LA Bowl.

College football bowl projections for championship week: Will Washington, FSU hold onto playoff spots? | Sporting News

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I don't think this scenario is even possible. Sporting News has Cal in the LA Bowl and USC in the Independence Bowl, but if USC is still available, I think the LA Bowl is required to choose them because they have a better conference record than Cal. The LA Bowl can choose Cal over UCLA, but not Cal over USC, as I understand it.

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Correct.

Ignore bowl projections. They are almost always wrong cause they don't have the time to research every little rule.

But our academic reputation will suffer. The students will suffer. We can't let that happen to our student athletes.

philly1121 said:

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But our academic reputation will suffer. The students will suffer. We can't let that happen to our student athletes.

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What

Take home final to Las Vegas solves everything.

sycasey said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Any truth to this rumor?

Update: I am hearing that the LA Bowl would conflict with finals for #Cal. It's still a possibility however, Cal is pushing to get into the First Responders Bowl (Dec 26). Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl (Dec 23) and Union Home Mortgage Gasparilla Bowl are options too (Dec 22). https://t.co/sNL5u6oXrl

— Cal Sports (@CAL_SPORTS_) November 27, 2023

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I don't think this guy knows anything.

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But he's got tons of sources!

doesn't administration want our student athletes to not miss finals. As in taking finals the way every other student does? LA Bowl will interfere with that. Hence, our student athletes will suffer. At least, that's the logic of Academic Admin.

KoreAmBear said:

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Any truth to this rumor?

Update: I am hearing that the LA Bowl would conflict with finals for #Cal. It's still a possibility however, Cal is pushing to get into the First Responders Bowl (Dec 26). Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl (Dec 23) and Union Home Mortgage Gasparilla Bowl are options too (Dec 22). https://t.co/sNL5u6oXrl

— Cal Sports (@CAL_SPORTS_) November 27, 2023

Whether true or not, we should be pushing for the LA Bowl. Cal players have probably been taking mid-terms on the road or on a revised schedule all semester. That's just the nature of college athletics. The LA Bowl is clearly the best bowl in terms of prestige, location (Cal fans thirsty for a bowl game would pack it out), cost, and even a reward for the substantial amount of So Cal Bears who can just stay and take their extended winter breaks there (early in the bowl season but still extra reps, then some well-deserved time off). Let's reward the student-athletes who have been grinding since July. You can do finals and play in the LA Bowl - it's not mutually exclusive.

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Maybe we can send Gronk a Doodle and ask him to reschedule.

I can easily imagine $c turning down a bowl bid.

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I can easily imagine $c turning down a bowl bid.

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That would send a great message

You can’t spell @cal w/o LA pic.twitter.com/fYScg81CCi

— Aristotle Thompson (@CoachAT23) November 27, 2023

Saw this post earlier today. An insider hint that it's the LA Bowl? Would so love to know so I can buy tickets.

From a purely selfish standpoint, I'm rooting for the Vegas Bowl or the Holiday Bowl (though I know the odds of either happening are slim to none). It's my mom's birthday on the 16th so I won't be able to go to the game if it's the LA Bowl (and there's no way I'm going to Shreveport).

youngbear1992 said:

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You can’t spell @cal w/o LA pic.twitter.com/fYScg81CCi

— Aristotle Thompson (@CoachAT23) November 27, 2023

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This would be a nice way for me to celebrate (mourn?) the end of the Pac -- by attending 2 Cal games in L.A. in the same season, this one an even shorter drive from my place. I'm guessing Cal hasn't played twice in L.A. in the same season since their last RB; so, this feels like our RB finally.