Jared Goff vs. his Predecessor's Predecessor Thread

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bearister said:

Greg Papa and Cris Collinsworth underestimated Jared Goff from the first day he set foot on an NFL field. Ever since that day, they have bent over backwards, to a ridiculous extent, to find negative things to say about him in order to shore up their initial erroneous analysis. Admitting you were wrong is hard for everyone, even more so when it relates to how you earn your living.

It seems like Cris is slowly coming around. I have not listened to Greg Papa for a few years so I do not know where he currently stands on Goff.

They are sorta like Charles Barkley has been with Steph Curry and the Warriors, but at least Chuck is able to play around with it.
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cal83dls79 said:

No. Perhaps you should actually listen to his broadcasts. Are you feeling ok?

I've heard him. You haven't given me a reason I'd want to listen to him.
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JimSox said:

End game. On third and 12 from the TB 30 Goff takes a knee, losing two yards, making it fourth and 14. 36 seconds remained in the fourth quarter. There was 40 seconds on the play clock. So everyone started shaking hands and stuff. It's over. No need to snap the ball again. Except TB had one timeout remaining. Why didn't they take it? Sure, Detroit could have kicked a field goal to ice it. But what if they missed? Or Detroit could have tried to get a first down. Or just run around using up time. But TB would have had a teeny tiny chance to try for a miracle play. You know, maybe five laterals or something. Instead they chose to just say congrats and good luck Lions. I don't think you ever give up when you have any chance at all. Thoughts?

It's a recognition that the Lions could have run more plays but opted not to do so thereby not rubbing salt in the wound. It's a sign of respect for both the offense to take a series of knees and the defense not to call a TO in that situation.* Otherwise, you're right, the Bucs could've called a TO. The Lions would've made sure to blast whomever had the ball on the ensuing TB possession.

* There's a similar practice in basketball to run out a clock instead of jacking up a shot at the end of games.
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Cal_79 said:

cal83dls79 said:

No. Perhaps you should actually listen to his broadcasts. Are you feeling ok?

I've heard him. You haven't given me a reason I'd want to listen to him.
trying to provide reasons you WOULD not want to listen to him. Oh lord
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JimSox said:

KenBurnski said:

Maybe check a Bucs board. If they're anything like us the topic will have been explored, deconstructed, analyzed, abused and locked.
Just did. Nothing about it. It was fourth and like 12 for goodness sakes. 36 seconds with which to try to pull off a miracle. Why let the clock expire instead of calling your last time out? It appears I'm the only person in the entire world who noticed this. Meaning I am either uniquely perceptive or quite insane!
JimSox, here's an entire thread about the issue:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/19cgx85/why_didnt_the_buccaneers_call_their_timeout_after/

Now you can roll around there like a pig in sh*t and bathe yourself in the 700 comments, each purporting their own theory! Nobody can agree on anything, although it appears the stadium scoreboard correctly reflected TB had a final time out. And Todd Bowles said in his post-game presser that he knew they had a timeout (whether he is telling the truth or not, who knows).

Have at it!
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Dan Miller is the voice of the Lions. A comment from the video below:

Quote:

After hearing the pain and anguish in the Dan & Lomas's voices for decades, so good to hear them call these games.
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cal83dls79 said:

Cal_79 said:

cal83dls79 said:

No. Perhaps you should actually listen to his broadcasts. Are you feeling ok?

I've heard him. You haven't given me a reason I'd want to listen to him.
trying to provide reasons you WOULD not want to listen to him. Oh lord

My comments have been about me not paying attention to Collinsworth or Robinson, nor caring what they say. Not really sure what point you're trying to make.
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Cal_79 said:

cal83dls79 said:

No. Perhaps you should actually listen to his broadcasts. Are you feeling ok?

I've heard him. You haven't given me a reason I'd want to listen to him.


Because you are watching a football game and they have play by play and color for a reason?
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75bear said:

JimSox said:

KenBurnski said:

Maybe check a Bucs board. If they're anything like us the topic will have been explored, deconstructed, analyzed, abused and locked.
Just did. Nothing about it. It was fourth and like 12 for goodness sakes. 36 seconds with which to try to pull off a miracle. Why let the clock expire instead of calling your last time out? It appears I'm the only person in the entire world who noticed this. Meaning I am either uniquely perceptive or quite insane!
JimSox, here's an entire thread about the issue:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/19cgx85/why_didnt_the_buccaneers_call_their_timeout_after/

Now you can roll around there like a pig in sh*t and bathe yourself in the 700 comments, each purporting their own theory! Nobody can agree on anything, although it appears the stadium scoreboard correctly reflected TB had a final time out. And Todd Bowles said in his post-game presser that he knew they had a timeout (whether he is telling the truth or not, who knows).

Have at it!



Aha. I was right, there was one timeout left. I will look at that thread. Can't imagine why a team wouldn't want one more desperate chance to win a playoff game. Thanks much for the info. Much appreciated. (Though I'm not all that grateful for the pig in sh*t comparison.)
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JimSox said:

75bear said:

JimSox said:

KenBurnski said:

Maybe check a Bucs board. If they're anything like us the topic will have been explored, deconstructed, analyzed, abused and locked.
Just did. Nothing about it. It was fourth and like 12 for goodness sakes. 36 seconds with which to try to pull off a miracle. Why let the clock expire instead of calling your last time out? It appears I'm the only person in the entire world who noticed this. Meaning I am either uniquely perceptive or quite insane!
JimSox, here's an entire thread about the issue:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/19cgx85/why_didnt_the_buccaneers_call_their_timeout_after/

Now you can roll around there like a pig in sh*t and bathe yourself in the 700 comments, each purporting their own theory! Nobody can agree on anything, although it appears the stadium scoreboard correctly reflected TB had a final time out. And Todd Bowles said in his post-game presser that he knew they had a timeout (whether he is telling the truth or not, who knows).

Have at it!



Aha. I was right, there was one timeout left. I will look at that thread. Can't imagine why a team wouldn't want one more desperate chance to win a playoff game. Thanks much for the info. Much appreciated. (Though I'm not all that grateful for the pig in sh*t comparison.)


Ok. Looked at the thread and got the answer. First, Lions could have used more time on the kneel downs and run the clock much farther down than they did. Was there some kind of tacit agreement with TB not to bother? Lots of speculation there was, but no evidence to that effect. In fact, Bowles was asked about it in a presser after the game and said he knew he had a timeout but didn't want to prolong the game. Said they were already lined up for a field goal and Bucs would only have about 12 seconds left, no way we come back in that amount of time.

Ok, the part about the field goal I don't think is true, plus they would have had more than 12 seconds and would have had a chance assuming the 47 yard field goal was no good.
And, he didn't want to prolong the game? Isn't that exactly what you do when you're behind?
No point in making this a huge deal because they almost certainly would have lost anyway. But "almost" isn't definitely. Coaching blunder. And mistake by the Lions for not chewing up more time on the kneel downs. Too busy celebrating.
All right, enough. Game over. Now it's on to San Francisco…er, Santa Clara.
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JimSox said:

JimSox said:

75bear said:

JimSox said:

KenBurnski said:

Maybe check a Bucs board. If they're anything like us the topic will have been explored, deconstructed, analyzed, abused and locked.
Just did. Nothing about it. It was fourth and like 12 for goodness sakes. 36 seconds with which to try to pull off a miracle. Why let the clock expire instead of calling your last time out? It appears I'm the only person in the entire world who noticed this. Meaning I am either uniquely perceptive or quite insane!
JimSox, here's an entire thread about the issue:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/19cgx85/why_didnt_the_buccaneers_call_their_timeout_after/

Now you can roll around there like a pig in sh*t and bathe yourself in the 700 comments, each purporting their own theory! Nobody can agree on anything, although it appears the stadium scoreboard correctly reflected TB had a final time out. And Todd Bowles said in his post-game presser that he knew they had a timeout (whether he is telling the truth or not, who knows).

Have at it!



Aha. I was right, there was one timeout left. I will look at that thread. Can't imagine why a team wouldn't want one more desperate chance to win a playoff game. Thanks much for the info. Much appreciated. (Though I'm not all that grateful for the pig in sh*t comparison.)


Ok. Looked at the thread and got the answer. First, Lions could have used more time on the kneel downs and run the clock much farther down than they did. Was there some kind of tacit agreement with TB not to bother? Lots of speculation there was, but no evidence to that effect. In fact, Bowles was asked about it in a presser after the game and said he knew he had a timeout but didn't want to prolong the game. Said they were already lined up for a field goal and Bucs would only have about 12 seconds left, no way we come back in that amount of time.

Ok, the part about the field goal I don't think is true, plus they would have had more than 12 seconds and would have had a chance assuming the 47 yard field goal was no good.
And, he didn't want to prolong the game? Isn't that exactly what you do when you're behind?
No point in making this a huge deal because they almost certainly would have lost anyway. But "almost" isn't definitely. Coaching blunder. And mistake by the Lions for not chewing up more time on the kneel downs. Too busy celebrating.
All right, enough. Game over. Now it's on to San Francisco…er, Santa Clara.
Yeah, it was a weird quirk, but time to move on.

And my apologies about the pig in sh*t reference - it was meant as a joke, not as a judgment of your character. I'm sorry if it didn't come across that way!
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That said. you have zeros history to back your question are you a bot?
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75bear said:

JimSox said:

JimSox said:

75bear said:

JimSox said:

KenBurnski said:

Maybe check a Bucs board. If they're anything like us the topic will have been explored, deconstructed, analyzed, abused and locked.
Just did. Nothing about it. It was fourth and like 12 for goodness sakes. 36 seconds with which to try to pull off a miracle. Why let the clock expire instead of calling your last time out? It appears I'm the only person in the entire world who noticed this. Meaning I am either uniquely perceptive or quite insane!
JimSox, here's an entire thread about the issue:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/19cgx85/why_didnt_the_buccaneers_call_their_timeout_after/

Now you can roll around there like a pig in sh*t and bathe yourself in the 700 comments, each purporting their own theory! Nobody can agree on anything, although it appears the stadium scoreboard correctly reflected TB had a final time out. And Todd Bowles said in his post-game presser that he knew they had a timeout (whether he is telling the truth or not, who knows).

Have at it!



Aha. I was right, there was one timeout left. I will look at that thread. Can't imagine why a team wouldn't want one more desperate chance to win a playoff game. Thanks much for the info. Much appreciated. (Though I'm not all that grateful for the pig in sh*t comparison.)


Ok. Looked at the thread and got the answer. First, Lions could have used more time on the kneel downs and run the clock much farther down than they did. Was there some kind of tacit agreement with TB not to bother? Lots of speculation there was, but no evidence to that effect. In fact, Bowles was asked about it in a presser after the game and said he knew he had a timeout but didn't want to prolong the game. Said they were already lined up for a field goal and Bucs would only have about 12 seconds left, no way we come back in that amount of time.

Ok, the part about the field goal I don't think is true, plus they would have had more than 12 seconds and would have had a chance assuming the 47 yard field goal was no good.
And, he didn't want to prolong the game? Isn't that exactly what you do when you're behind?
No point in making this a huge deal because they almost certainly would have lost anyway. But "almost" isn't definitely. Coaching blunder. And mistake by the Lions for not chewing up more time on the kneel downs. Too busy celebrating.
All right, enough. Game over. Now it's on to San Francisco…er, Santa Clara.
Yeah, it was a weird quirk, but time to move on.

And my apologies about the pig in sh*t reference - it was meant as a joke, not as a judgment of your character. I'm sorry if it didn't come across that way!
Ok. No problem. I didn't really take offense. But many thanks for sending me that link to the thread. I thought that if I was the only one in the world who noticed this maybe it didn't happen that way and I'd just lost my mind!
But now at least I know it was a real thing.
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Love it. Tough board but also forgiving
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JimSox said:

75bear said:

JimSox said:

JimSox said:

75bear said:

JimSox said:

KenBurnski said:

Maybe check a Bucs board. If they're anything like us the topic will have been explored, deconstructed, analyzed, abused and locked.
Just did. Nothing about it. It was fourth and like 12 for goodness sakes. 36 seconds with which to try to pull off a miracle. Why let the clock expire instead of calling your last time out? It appears I'm the only person in the entire world who noticed this. Meaning I am either uniquely perceptive or quite insane!
JimSox, here's an entire thread about the issue:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/19cgx85/why_didnt_the_buccaneers_call_their_timeout_after/

Now you can roll around there like a pig in sh*t and bathe yourself in the 700 comments, each purporting their own theory! Nobody can agree on anything, although it appears the stadium scoreboard correctly reflected TB had a final time out. And Todd Bowles said in his post-game presser that he knew they had a timeout (whether he is telling the truth or not, who knows).

Have at it!



Aha. I was right, there was one timeout left. I will look at that thread. Can't imagine why a team wouldn't want one more desperate chance to win a playoff game. Thanks much for the info. Much appreciated. (Though I'm not all that grateful for the pig in sh*t comparison.)


Ok. Looked at the thread and got the answer. First, Lions could have used more time on the kneel downs and run the clock much farther down than they did. Was there some kind of tacit agreement with TB not to bother? Lots of speculation there was, but no evidence to that effect. In fact, Bowles was asked about it in a presser after the game and said he knew he had a timeout but didn't want to prolong the game. Said they were already lined up for a field goal and Bucs would only have about 12 seconds left, no way we come back in that amount of time.

Ok, the part about the field goal I don't think is true, plus they would have had more than 12 seconds and would have had a chance assuming the 47 yard field goal was no good.
And, he didn't want to prolong the game? Isn't that exactly what you do when you're behind?
No point in making this a huge deal because they almost certainly would have lost anyway. But "almost" isn't definitely. Coaching blunder. And mistake by the Lions for not chewing up more time on the kneel downs. Too busy celebrating.
All right, enough. Game over. Now it's on to San Francisco…er, Santa Clara.
Yeah, it was a weird quirk, but time to move on.

And my apologies about the pig in sh*t reference - it was meant as a joke, not as a judgment of your character. I'm sorry if it didn't come across that way!
Ok. No problem. I didn't really take offense. But many thanks for sending me that link to the thread. I thought that if I was the only one in the world who noticed this maybe it didn't happen that way and I'd just lost my mind!
But now at least I know it was a real thing.



I think Bowles knew the Lions could run out the game but the Lions didn't cooperate and- amazingly- nobody on the Tampa sideline figured it out either.
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okaydo said:




That's a good audience but not Swifty

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Jared Goff's journey comes full circle with Lions game vs. 49ers


https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/49ers/article/jared-goff-lions-49ers-18622497.php
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bearister said:

Jared Goff's journey comes full circle with Lions game vs. 49ers


https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/49ers/article/jared-goff-lions-49ers-18622497.php

Great article.,

Mike Silver has been a staunch Goff defender from the get-go, even going after McVay (they later reconciled).

But Silver's job these days is being a 49ers booster, so...


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Anarchistbear said:

JimSox said:

75bear said:

JimSox said:

JimSox said:

75bear said:

JimSox said:

KenBurnski said:

Maybe check a Bucs board. If they're anything like us the topic will have been explored, deconstructed, analyzed, abused and locked.
Just did. Nothing about it. It was fourth and like 12 for goodness sakes. 36 seconds with which to try to pull off a miracle. Why let the clock expire instead of calling your last time out? It appears I'm the only person in the entire world who noticed this. Meaning I am either uniquely perceptive or quite insane!
JimSox, here's an entire thread about the issue:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/19cgx85/why_didnt_the_buccaneers_call_their_timeout_after/

Now you can roll around there like a pig in sh*t and bathe yourself in the 700 comments, each purporting their own theory! Nobody can agree on anything, although it appears the stadium scoreboard correctly reflected TB had a final time out. And Todd Bowles said in his post-game presser that he knew they had a timeout (whether he is telling the truth or not, who knows).

Have at it!



Aha. I was right, there was one timeout left. I will look at that thread. Can't imagine why a team wouldn't want one more desperate chance to win a playoff game. Thanks much for the info. Much appreciated. (Though I'm not all that grateful for the pig in sh*t comparison.)


Ok. Looked at the thread and got the answer. First, Lions could have used more time on the kneel downs and run the clock much farther down than they did. Was there some kind of tacit agreement with TB not to bother? Lots of speculation there was, but no evidence to that effect. In fact, Bowles was asked about it in a presser after the game and said he knew he had a timeout but didn't want to prolong the game. Said they were already lined up for a field goal and Bucs would only have about 12 seconds left, no way we come back in that amount of time.

Ok, the part about the field goal I don't think is true, plus they would have had more than 12 seconds and would have had a chance assuming the 47 yard field goal was no good.
And, he didn't want to prolong the game? Isn't that exactly what you do when you're behind?
No point in making this a huge deal because they almost certainly would have lost anyway. But "almost" isn't definitely. Coaching blunder. And mistake by the Lions for not chewing up more time on the kneel downs. Too busy celebrating.
All right, enough. Game over. Now it's on to San Francisco…er, Santa Clara.
Yeah, it was a weird quirk, but time to move on.

And my apologies about the pig in sh*t reference - it was meant as a joke, not as a judgment of your character. I'm sorry if it didn't come across that way!
Ok. No problem. I didn't really take offense. But many thanks for sending me that link to the thread. I thought that if I was the only one in the world who noticed this maybe it didn't happen that way and I'd just lost my mind!
But now at least I know it was a real thing.



I think Bowles knew the Lions could run out the game but the Lions didn't cooperate and- amazingly- nobody on the Tampa sideline figured it out either.
A very plausible explanation. Then Bowles tried to gloss over his error by saying he just didn't want to prolong the game.
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Lions add Ertz: Three-time Pro-Bowl tight end Zach Ertz signed with the Lions on Monday and could join the active roster for the NFC title game.
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Earlier in the year, Ertz caught 6 passes for 53 yards against the Santa Clara team.
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JimSox said:

Anarchistbear said:

JimSox said:

75bear said:

JimSox said:

JimSox said:

75bear said:

JimSox said:

KenBurnski said:

Maybe check a Bucs board. If they're anything like us the topic will have been explored, deconstructed, analyzed, abused and locked.
Just did. Nothing about it. It was fourth and like 12 for goodness sakes. 36 seconds with which to try to pull off a miracle. Why let the clock expire instead of calling your last time out? It appears I'm the only person in the entire world who noticed this. Meaning I am either uniquely perceptive or quite insane!
JimSox, here's an entire thread about the issue:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/19cgx85/why_didnt_the_buccaneers_call_their_timeout_after/

Now you can roll around there like a pig in sh*t and bathe yourself in the 700 comments, each purporting their own theory! Nobody can agree on anything, although it appears the stadium scoreboard correctly reflected TB had a final time out. And Todd Bowles said in his post-game presser that he knew they had a timeout (whether he is telling the truth or not, who knows).

Have at it!



Aha. I was right, there was one timeout left. I will look at that thread. Can't imagine why a team wouldn't want one more desperate chance to win a playoff game. Thanks much for the info. Much appreciated. (Though I'm not all that grateful for the pig in sh*t comparison.)


Ok. Looked at the thread and got the answer. First, Lions could have used more time on the kneel downs and run the clock much farther down than they did. Was there some kind of tacit agreement with TB not to bother? Lots of speculation there was, but no evidence to that effect. In fact, Bowles was asked about it in a presser after the game and said he knew he had a timeout but didn't want to prolong the game. Said they were already lined up for a field goal and Bucs would only have about 12 seconds left, no way we come back in that amount of time.

Ok, the part about the field goal I don't think is true, plus they would have had more than 12 seconds and would have had a chance assuming the 47 yard field goal was no good.
And, he didn't want to prolong the game? Isn't that exactly what you do when you're behind?
No point in making this a huge deal because they almost certainly would have lost anyway. But "almost" isn't definitely. Coaching blunder. And mistake by the Lions for not chewing up more time on the kneel downs. Too busy celebrating.
All right, enough. Game over. Now it's on to San Francisco…er, Santa Clara.
Yeah, it was a weird quirk, but time to move on.

And my apologies about the pig in sh*t reference - it was meant as a joke, not as a judgment of your character. I'm sorry if it didn't come across that way!
Ok. No problem. I didn't really take offense. But many thanks for sending me that link to the thread. I thought that if I was the only one in the world who noticed this maybe it didn't happen that way and I'd just lost my mind!
But now at least I know it was a real thing.



I think Bowles knew the Lions could run out the game but the Lions didn't cooperate and- amazingly- nobody on the Tampa sideline figured it out either.
A very plausible explanation. Then Bowles tried to gloss over his error by saying he just didn't want to prolong the game.
ESPN stoking the fire today:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39370539/bucs-todd-bowles-not-using-final-game-was-over

Perhaps this thing has legs, JimSox!
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75bear said:

JimSox said:

Anarchistbear said:

JimSox said:

75bear said:

JimSox said:

JimSox said:

75bear said:

JimSox said:

KenBurnski said:

Maybe check a Bucs board. If they're anything like us the topic will have been explored, deconstructed, analyzed, abused and locked.
Just did. Nothing about it. It was fourth and like 12 for goodness sakes. 36 seconds with which to try to pull off a miracle. Why let the clock expire instead of calling your last time out? It appears I'm the only person in the entire world who noticed this. Meaning I am either uniquely perceptive or quite insane!
JimSox, here's an entire thread about the issue:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/19cgx85/why_didnt_the_buccaneers_call_their_timeout_after/

Now you can roll around there like a pig in sh*t and bathe yourself in the 700 comments, each purporting their own theory! Nobody can agree on anything, although it appears the stadium scoreboard correctly reflected TB had a final time out. And Todd Bowles said in his post-game presser that he knew they had a timeout (whether he is telling the truth or not, who knows).

Have at it!



Aha. I was right, there was one timeout left. I will look at that thread. Can't imagine why a team wouldn't want one more desperate chance to win a playoff game. Thanks much for the info. Much appreciated. (Though I'm not all that grateful for the pig in sh*t comparison.)


Ok. Looked at the thread and got the answer. First, Lions could have used more time on the kneel downs and run the clock much farther down than they did. Was there some kind of tacit agreement with TB not to bother? Lots of speculation there was, but no evidence to that effect. In fact, Bowles was asked about it in a presser after the game and said he knew he had a timeout but didn't want to prolong the game. Said they were already lined up for a field goal and Bucs would only have about 12 seconds left, no way we come back in that amount of time.

Ok, the part about the field goal I don't think is true, plus they would have had more than 12 seconds and would have had a chance assuming the 47 yard field goal was no good.
And, he didn't want to prolong the game? Isn't that exactly what you do when you're behind?
No point in making this a huge deal because they almost certainly would have lost anyway. But "almost" isn't definitely. Coaching blunder. And mistake by the Lions for not chewing up more time on the kneel downs. Too busy celebrating.
All right, enough. Game over. Now it's on to San Francisco…er, Santa Clara.
Yeah, it was a weird quirk, but time to move on.

And my apologies about the pig in sh*t reference - it was meant as a joke, not as a judgment of your character. I'm sorry if it didn't come across that way!
Ok. No problem. I didn't really take offense. But many thanks for sending me that link to the thread. I thought that if I was the only one in the world who noticed this maybe it didn't happen that way and I'd just lost my mind!
But now at least I know it was a real thing.



I think Bowles knew the Lions could run out the game but the Lions didn't cooperate and- amazingly- nobody on the Tampa sideline figured it out either.
A very plausible explanation. Then Bowles tried to gloss over his error by saying he just didn't want to prolong the game.
ESPN stoking the fire today:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39370539/bucs-todd-bowles-not-using-final-game-was-over

Perhaps this thing has legs, JimSox!
None of these explanations made any sense.
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sycasey said:

75bear said:

JimSox said:

Anarchistbear said:

JimSox said:

75bear said:

JimSox said:

JimSox said:

75bear said:

JimSox said:

KenBurnski said:

Maybe check a Bucs board. If they're anything like us the topic will have been explored, deconstructed, analyzed, abused and locked.
Just did. Nothing about it. It was fourth and like 12 for goodness sakes. 36 seconds with which to try to pull off a miracle. Why let the clock expire instead of calling your last time out? It appears I'm the only person in the entire world who noticed this. Meaning I am either uniquely perceptive or quite insane!
JimSox, here's an entire thread about the issue:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/19cgx85/why_didnt_the_buccaneers_call_their_timeout_after/

Now you can roll around there like a pig in sh*t and bathe yourself in the 700 comments, each purporting their own theory! Nobody can agree on anything, although it appears the stadium scoreboard correctly reflected TB had a final time out. And Todd Bowles said in his post-game presser that he knew they had a timeout (whether he is telling the truth or not, who knows).

Have at it!



Aha. I was right, there was one timeout left. I will look at that thread. Can't imagine why a team wouldn't want one more desperate chance to win a playoff game. Thanks much for the info. Much appreciated. (Though I'm not all that grateful for the pig in sh*t comparison.)


Ok. Looked at the thread and got the answer. First, Lions could have used more time on the kneel downs and run the clock much farther down than they did. Was there some kind of tacit agreement with TB not to bother? Lots of speculation there was, but no evidence to that effect. In fact, Bowles was asked about it in a presser after the game and said he knew he had a timeout but didn't want to prolong the game. Said they were already lined up for a field goal and Bucs would only have about 12 seconds left, no way we come back in that amount of time.

Ok, the part about the field goal I don't think is true, plus they would have had more than 12 seconds and would have had a chance assuming the 47 yard field goal was no good.
And, he didn't want to prolong the game? Isn't that exactly what you do when you're behind?
No point in making this a huge deal because they almost certainly would have lost anyway. But "almost" isn't definitely. Coaching blunder. And mistake by the Lions for not chewing up more time on the kneel downs. Too busy celebrating.
All right, enough. Game over. Now it's on to San Francisco…er, Santa Clara.
Yeah, it was a weird quirk, but time to move on.

And my apologies about the pig in sh*t reference - it was meant as a joke, not as a judgment of your character. I'm sorry if it didn't come across that way!
Ok. No problem. I didn't really take offense. But many thanks for sending me that link to the thread. I thought that if I was the only one in the world who noticed this maybe it didn't happen that way and I'd just lost my mind!
But now at least I know it was a real thing.



I think Bowles knew the Lions could run out the game but the Lions didn't cooperate and- amazingly- nobody on the Tampa sideline figured it out either.
A very plausible explanation. Then Bowles tried to gloss over his error by saying he just didn't want to prolong the game.
ESPN stoking the fire today:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39370539/bucs-todd-bowles-not-using-final-game-was-over

Perhaps this thing has legs, JimSox!
None of these explanations made any sense.


This is great! Campbell admitted the Lions screwed up by not using as much time as they could have. Fine. But then he said he knew the Bucs weren't going to call timeout. How's that? Bowles said there was no gentleman's agreement. Then the rest of his explanation made no sense. He assumed Detroit would make a 49-yard field goal. What really happened is obvious. He didn't notice that there was enough time left for a timeout to give his team a chance. And will never admit it. Wow!!
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bearister said:

Lions add Ertz: Three-time Pro-Bowl tight end Zach Ertz signed with the Lions on Monday and could join the active roster for the NFC title game.
-YahooSportsAM
Two local boys gunning for that Santa Clara team!

Starting Lions TE Laporta who has been having a great rookie season is not 100%, hence the last minute addition.
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