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sycasey said:

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the prevent win defense does it again

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Honestly, I think they blitzed him too much on that last drive. Should have just stuck with the four man rush. Mahomes knows what to do against blitzing.

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The problem is Mahomes also knows what to do against non-blitzes.

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They had more success just playing coverage and containing him in the pocket. Blitzing never worked.

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yeah, what I meant by prevent defense was how far back the entire defense lined up, so they just kept throwning underneath the coverage for 6-9 yard gains

I don't mean the blitzing

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It was kind of both. They'd send extra rushers but leave that soft underneath zone open. That's just death against Mahomes. You needed to keep tight coverage and make their receivers win 1-on-1. Maybe he beats that anyway but that had the best chance of success IMO.

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You guys are both right. Wilks called an amazing game until the 4q and OT. For some reason wilks, during crunch time, kept wanting to keep everything in front of him (as if Mahomes isn't the best QB in the game). So he kept playing a soft zone whether they blitzed or didn't blitz. That's just death against mahomes. Both of you are correct, they just needed to keep rushing four but play tight. And if you get beat deep by their WRs, oh well.

The biggest failure was both wilks and shanahan both got too cute. The chiefs D is weak on run D. So run! (And maybe run left towards arguably the best LT in history and not right.)

The chiefs offense is weak at outside WR. So make the WRs beat you. Don't put the game in Mahomes' hands!!! Put the game on the chiefs' WRs and see if they can beat you 1 on 1.

This is what Jeff tedford was very good at. If you have the superior roster, there's no need to outthink yourself.

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sycasey said:

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HoopDreams said:

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sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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HoopDreams said:

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the prevent win defense does it again

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Honestly, I think they blitzed him too much on that last drive. Should have just stuck with the four man rush. Mahomes knows what to do against blitzing.

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The problem is Mahomes also knows what to do against non-blitzes.

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They had more success just playing coverage and containing him in the pocket. Blitzing never worked.

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yeah, what I meant by prevent defense was how far back the entire defense lined up, so they just kept throwning underneath the coverage for 6-9 yard gains

I don't mean the blitzing

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It was kind of both. They'd send extra rushers but leave that soft underneath zone open. That's just death against Mahomes. You needed to keep tight coverage and make their receivers win 1-on-1. Maybe he beats that anyway but that had the best chance of success IMO.

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You guys are both right. Wilks called an amazing game until the 4q and OT. For some reason wilks, during crunch time, kept wanting to keep everything in front of him (as if Mahomes isn't the best QB in the game). So he kept playing a soft zone whether they blitzed or didn't blitz. That's just death against mahomes. Both of you are correct, they just needed to keep rushing four but play tight. And if you get beat deep by their WRs, oh well.

The biggest failure was both wilks and shanahan both got too cute. The chiefs D is weak on run D. So run! (And maybe run left towards arguably the best LT in history and not right.)

The chiefs offense is weak at outside WR. So make the WRs beat you.

This is what Jeff tedford was very good at. If you have the superior roster, there's no need to outthink yourself.

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and Hardman did eventually beat them in the end

ducky23 said:

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sycasey said:

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HoopDreams said:

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sycasey said:

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75bear said:

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sycasey said:

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HoopDreams said:

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the prevent win defense does it again

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Honestly, I think they blitzed him too much on that last drive. Should have just stuck with the four man rush. Mahomes knows what to do against blitzing.

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The problem is Mahomes also knows what to do against non-blitzes.

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They had more success just playing coverage and containing him in the pocket. Blitzing never worked.

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yeah, what I meant by prevent defense was how far back the entire defense lined up, so they just kept throwning underneath the coverage for 6-9 yard gains

I don't mean the blitzing

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It was kind of both. They'd send extra rushers but leave that soft underneath zone open. That's just death against Mahomes. You needed to keep tight coverage and make their receivers win 1-on-1. Maybe he beats that anyway but that had the best chance of success IMO.

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You guys are both right. Wilks called an amazing game until the 4q and OT. For some reason wilks, during crunch time, kept wanting to keep everything in front of him (as if Mahomes isn't the best QB in the game). So he kept playing a soft zone whether they blitzed or didn't blitz. That's just death against mahomes. Both of you are correct, they just needed to keep rushing four but play tight. And if you get beat deep by their WRs, oh well.

The biggest failure was both wilks and shanahan both got too cute. The chiefs D is weak on run D. So run! (And maybe run left towards arguably the best LT in history and not right.)

The chiefs offense is weak at outside WR. So make the WRs beat you.

This is what Jeff tedford was very good at. If you have the superior roster, there's no need to outthink yourself.

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At least they figured out to run the ball on offense in the 4th. It was almost enough. I do wish they'd called up a specific blitz beater on the last 3rd down in OT and regulation. You had to know that KC was going to bring pressure in those situations. Seemed like they just had regular drop back throws on those plays and Purdy couldn't get it out fast enough.

49ers should have kicked off in OT and let the Chiefs have the first possession.

If the Chiefs had the ball first and scored a TD, Niners would have gotten the ball knowing they needed a TD.

Both defenses were tired in OT.

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You didnt include my favorite, "debbie does dallas" a one star production

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49ers should have kicked off in OT and let the Chiefs have the first possession.

If the Chiefs had the ball first and scored a TD, Niners would have gotten the ball knowing they needed a TD.

Both defenses were tired in OT.

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I thought the game is over if first team in OT scores a TD.

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BearSD said:

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49ers should have kicked off in OT and let the Chiefs have the first possession.

If the Chiefs had the ball first and scored a TD, Niners would have gotten the ball knowing they needed a TD.

Both defenses were tired in OT.

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I thought the game is over if first team in OT scores a TD.

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New playoff rules this year.

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BearSD said:

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49ers should have kicked off in OT and let the Chiefs have the first possession.

If the Chiefs had the ball first and scored a TD, Niners would have gotten the ball knowing they needed a TD.

Both defenses were tired in OT.

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I thought the game is over if first team in OT scores a TD.

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What you say is true only in the regular season. Playoff overtime rules now state both teams get an offensive possession (unless there's a defensive score).

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sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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the prevent win defense does it again

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Honestly, I think they blitzed him too much on that last drive. Should have just stuck with the four man rush. Mahomes knows what to do against blitzing.

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The problem is Mahomes also knows what to do against non-blitzes.

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They had more success just playing coverage and containing him in the pocket. Blitzing never worked.

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yeah, what I meant by prevent defense was how far back the entire defense lined up, so they just kept throwning underneath the coverage for 6-9 yard gains

I don't mean the blitzing

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It was kind of both. They'd send extra rushers but leave that soft underneath zone open. That's just death against Mahomes. You needed to keep tight coverage and make their receivers win 1-on-1. Maybe he beats that anyway but that had the best chance of success IMO.

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You guys are both right. Wilks called an amazing game until the 4q and OT. For some reason wilks, during crunch time, kept wanting to keep everything in front of him (as if Mahomes isn't the best QB in the game). So he kept playing a soft zone whether they blitzed or didn't blitz. That's just death against mahomes. Both of you are correct, they just needed to keep rushing four but play tight. And if you get beat deep by their WRs, oh well.

The biggest failure was both wilks and shanahan both got too cute. The chiefs D is weak on run D. So run! (And maybe run left towards arguably the best LT in history and not right.)

The chiefs offense is weak at outside WR. So make the WRs beat you.

This is what Jeff tedford was very good at. If you have the superior roster, there's no need to outthink yourself.

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At least they figured out to run the ball on offense in the 4th. It was almost enough. I do wish they'd called up a specific blitz beater on the last 3rd down in OT and regulation. You had to know that KC was going to bring pressure in those situations. Seemed like they just had regular drop back throws on those plays and Purdy couldn't get it out fast enough.

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I actually think shanahan messed up on those 2 second down calls before those 2 3rd down calls. I think he had 2nd and 5 on the one in regulation. He called a pass to kittle for zero yards. And then he had 2nd and 4 on the one in OT and ran right for no gain.

If the niners get a first down on either of those, they most likely win. So on those second downs, it's imperative to get at least 2-3 yards to set up a 3rd and short, which would give you the ability to run on 3rd instead of setting up an obvious passing down. And even if you don't get the 3rd and short, you can run again on 4th.

All shanahan had to do was run left on either of those second downs. Running left is guaranteed. But big brain Kyle always has to outthink himself.

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49ers should have kicked off in OT and let the Chiefs have the first possession.

If the Chiefs had the ball first and scored a TD, Niners would have gotten the ball knowing they needed a TD.

Both defenses were tired in OT.

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At first I thought this too. But I think the analytics is pretty even on this. Because if both teams are tied after their first possessions, the next team that scores wins (or so I believe based on Shamahans post game interview for why he chose to take the ball)

1. I don't know if this is a thing or not, but 8 of the past 11 Super Bowls have been won by head coaches in their 60s, born in the 1950s. We're talking about 4 different head coaches.

2. As I wrote in the Goff thread, the Chiefs were a team of destiny. They were probably going to lose in the Super Bowl. And a Super Bowl loss would be more devastating.

We'll see if the 49ers have a hangover.

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BearSD said:

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49ers should have kicked off in OT and let the Chiefs have the first possession.

If the Chiefs had the ball first and scored a TD, Niners would have gotten the ball knowing they needed a TD.

Both defenses were tired in OT.

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At first I thought this too. But I think the analytics is pretty even on this. Because if both teams are tied after their first possessions, the next team that scores wins (or so I believe based on Shamahans post game interview for why he chose to take the ball)

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That's true, if KC had kicked a FG, the game would have become sudden death and the 49ers would have needed only a FG to win. But that means Shanahan effectively bet the Super Bowl on his tired defense being able to keep the Chiefs out of the end zone.

Conversely, if KC had been faced with a 4th down in the red zone in OT, the right call would have been to go for the first down or TD and not kick the FG to tie and then give the ball back to the 49ers.

Very tight game, the difference was Mahomes' experience and skill, and also the fact that Deebo and Kittle both played injured, factored in in a game with a thin margin.

Greenlaw's injury was big

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HoopDreams said:

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sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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HoopDreams said:

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the prevent win defense does it again

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Honestly, I think they blitzed him too much on that last drive. Should have just stuck with the four man rush. Mahomes knows what to do against blitzing.

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The problem is Mahomes also knows what to do against non-blitzes.

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They had more success just playing coverage and containing him in the pocket. Blitzing never worked.

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yeah, what I meant by prevent defense was how far back the entire defense lined up, so they just kept throwning underneath the coverage for 6-9 yard gains

I don't mean the blitzing

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It was kind of both. They'd send extra rushers but leave that soft underneath zone open. That's just death against Mahomes. You needed to keep tight coverage and make their receivers win 1-on-1. Maybe he beats that anyway but that had the best chance of success IMO.

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agree

Shanahan lost the game for the 49rs. They were running the ball at will and then in the third quarter - after getting a great defensive turnover - he abandoned the run. Didn't find it again until late in the game when once again McCaffrey dominated. And then taking the ball first in overtime was obviously the wrong thing to do.

49ers got the most complete roster in football.

They *should* win the Super Bowl but they'll most likely just blow a double digit lead in the NFCCG or Super Bowl again.

They're like the Cowboys only they choke AFTER the Divisional Round.

— Barry (@BarryOnHere) September 22, 2023

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— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) February 12, 2024

I just found out that Andy Reid played at a rec center like a mile from where I grew up.

I knew he was an Angelelino….

Real talk if Shanahan doesn't want to grow a brain then he is going to start losing his guys and next year would not be surprised if one of the ascendant NFC North powers (Green Bay or Detroit) are the playoff favorites.

Shake it off, shake it off.

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Shanahan lost the game for the 49rs. They were running the ball at will and then in the third quarter - after getting a great defensive turnover - he abandoned the run. Didn't find it again until late in the game when once again McCaffrey dominated. And then taking the ball first in overtime was obviously the wrong thing to do.

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The muffed punt was the single biggest play in the game. It completely turned the game around. The Chiefs scored on the next play. But yes Shanahan was right in the middle of the loss again with some strange play calling and the fireable (IMO) offense of choosing to receive the OT kickoff.

The missed XP was huge. It allowed the Chiefs to play for OT instead of having to try and win on that last drive of regulation. They may have won but the missed XP gave the Chiefs an option they should not have had.

The pass to Kelce on the last drive of regulation where he got the Chiefs into position was a huge play. He gained 25 yards and got out of bounds. Warner as great as he is should not have been in solo coverage there. You have to make another option beat you. Warner did defend Kelce great later which forced the Chiefs to kick the FG. But that short cross Kelce turned into a big play was a crucial coaching misfire.

The decision to take the opening kickoff of OT was horrible. Now we are seeing reports that the 49ers did not know about the rule change. If true Shanahan should be fired. That is awful prepartion for the biggest game of his career. The players should be pissed. You do not willingly give Mahomes a chance to win the game when he knows a TD is needed.

Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.

The 49ers may have one more run in them next year, but their window is closing.

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Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.

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It's worth noting that people used to say the same things about Andy Reid until he finally won with Mahomes.

Shanahan has flaws, but let's dispense with the nonsense: a coach who reaches the Super Bowl twice and the NFC Championship four times is not bad enough to be fired. You can do a LOT worse with your replacement.

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Shanahan lost the game for the 49rs. They were running the ball at will and then in the third quarter - after getting a great defensive turnover - he abandoned the run. Didn't find it again until late in the game when once again McCaffrey dominated. And then taking the ball first in overtime was obviously the wrong thing to do.

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The muffed punt was the single biggest play in the game. It completely turned the game around. The Chiefs scored on the next play. But yes Shanahan was right in the middle of the loss again with some strange play calling and the fireable (IMO) offense of choosing to receive the OT kickoff.

The missed XP was huge. It allowed the Chiefs to play for OT instead of having to try and win on that last drive of regulation. They may have won but the missed XP gave the Chiefs an option they should not have had.

The pass to Kelce on the last drive of regulation where he got the Chiefs into position was a huge play. He gained 25 yards and got out of bounds. Warner as great as he is should not have been in solo coverage there. You have to make another option beat you. Warner did defend Kelce great later which forced the Chiefs to kick the FG. But that short cross Kelce turned into a big play was a crucial coaching misfire.

The decision to take the opening kickoff of OT was horrible. Now we are seeing reports that the 49ers did not know about the rule change. If true Shanahan should be fired. That is awful prepartion for the biggest game of his career. The players should be pissed. You do not willingly give Mahomes a chance to win the game when he knows a TD is needed.

Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.

The 49ers may have one more run in them next year, but their window is closing.

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Where have you seen reports that the niners didn't know the new OT rule? (I'm genuinely curious)

In his postgame interview, I thought shamahan's reasoning for that decision was sound. I also think the analytics slightly favor taking the ball first. I also think romo's point that the defense was gassed was a good one.

I would have personally deferred just because of Mahomes. But I think the call is fairly 50/50 so I hardly think it's a fireable offense.

The flip side of the argument is that if you think Mahomes is going to score no matter what, the chiefs will win anyways even if you defer. Cause Mahomes will score a TD first. Then even if you match the TD, it basically forces you to go for 2 cause you can't give the ball back to Mahomes where a simple FG wins it.

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6956bear said:

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Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.

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It's worth noting that people used to say the same things about Andy Reid until he finally won with Mahomes.

Shanahan has flaws, but let's dispense with the nonsense: a coach who reaches the Super Bowl twice and the NFC Championship four times is not bad enough to be fired. You can do a LOT worse with your replacement.

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I don't know, Sirianni is definitely on a hot seat as well (though he seems to gotten himself 1 more year to right that ship)

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6956bear said:

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BearGoggles said:

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Shanahan lost the game for the 49rs. They were running the ball at will and then in the third quarter - after getting a great defensive turnover - he abandoned the run. Didn't find it again until late in the game when once again McCaffrey dominated. And then taking the ball first in overtime was obviously the wrong thing to do.

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The muffed punt was the single biggest play in the game. It completely turned the game around. The Chiefs scored on the next play. But yes Shanahan was right in the middle of the loss again with some strange play calling and the fireable (IMO) offense of choosing to receive the OT kickoff.

The missed XP was huge. It allowed the Chiefs to play for OT instead of having to try and win on that last drive of regulation. They may have won but the missed XP gave the Chiefs an option they should not have had.

The pass to Kelce on the last drive of regulation where he got the Chiefs into position was a huge play. He gained 25 yards and got out of bounds. Warner as great as he is should not have been in solo coverage there. You have to make another option beat you. Warner did defend Kelce great later which forced the Chiefs to kick the FG. But that short cross Kelce turned into a big play was a crucial coaching misfire.

The decision to take the opening kickoff of OT was horrible. Now we are seeing reports that the 49ers did not know about the rule change. If true Shanahan should be fired. That is awful prepartion for the biggest game of his career. The players should be pissed. You do not willingly give Mahomes a chance to win the game when he knows a TD is needed.

Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.

The 49ers may have one more run in them next year, but their window is closing.

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Where have you seen reports that the niners didn't know the new OT rule? (I'm genuinely curious)

In his postgame interview, I thought shamahan's reasoning for that decision was sound. I also think the analytics slightly favor taking the ball first. I also think romo's point that the defense was gassed was a good one.

I would have personally deferred just because of Mahomes. But I think the call is fairly 50/50 so I hardly think it's a fireable offense.

The flip side of the argument is that if you think Mahomes is going to score no matter what, the chiefs will win anyways even if you defer. Cause Mahomes will score a TD first. Then even if you match the TD, it basically forces you to go for 2 cause you can't give the ball back to Mahomes where a simple FG wins it.

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The Defense was gassed was probably correct, they barely made it to the OT.

ESPN.com has an article about the Niners admitting they didn't know the OT rules, pretty embarrassing

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BearGoggles said:

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Shanahan lost the game for the 49rs. They were running the ball at will and then in the third quarter - after getting a great defensive turnover - he abandoned the run. Didn't find it again until late in the game when once again McCaffrey dominated. And then taking the ball first in overtime was obviously the wrong thing to do.

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The muffed punt was the single biggest play in the game. It completely turned the game around. The Chiefs scored on the next play. But yes Shanahan was right in the middle of the loss again with some strange play calling and the fireable (IMO) offense of choosing to receive the OT kickoff.

The missed XP was huge. It allowed the Chiefs to play for OT instead of having to try and win on that last drive of regulation. They may have won but the missed XP gave the Chiefs an option they should not have had.

The pass to Kelce on the last drive of regulation where he got the Chiefs into position was a huge play. He gained 25 yards and got out of bounds. Warner as great as he is should not have been in solo coverage there. You have to make another option beat you. Warner did defend Kelce great later which forced the Chiefs to kick the FG. But that short cross Kelce turned into a big play was a crucial coaching misfire.

The decision to take the opening kickoff of OT was horrible. Now we are seeing reports that the 49ers did not know about the rule change. If true Shanahan should be fired. That is awful prepartion for the biggest game of his career. The players should be pissed. You do not willingly give Mahomes a chance to win the game when he knows a TD is needed.

Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.

The 49ers may have one more run in them next year, but their window is closing.

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Where have you seen reports that the niners didn't know the new OT rule? (I'm genuinely curious)

In his postgame interview, I thought shamahan's reasoning for that decision was sound. I also think the analytics slightly favor taking the ball first. I also think romo's point that the defense was gassed was a good one.

I would have personally deferred just because of Mahomes. But I think the call is fairly 50/50 so I hardly think it's a fireable offense.

The flip side of the argument is that if you think Mahomes is going to score no matter what, the chiefs will win anyways even if you defer. Cause Mahomes will score a TD first. Then even if you match the TD, it basically forces you to go for 2 cause you can't give the ball back to Mahomes where a simple FG wins it.

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Romo was incessantly saying this - about BOTH team's defense. I'm not buying that at all.

The muffed punt was a really bad break. But as we were watching the first half in my house, it seemed clear the niners dominated yet were only up by one TD and the end seemed inevitable.

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BearGoggles said:

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Shanahan lost the game for the 49rs. They were running the ball at will and then in the third quarter - after getting a great defensive turnover - he abandoned the run. Didn't find it again until late in the game when once again McCaffrey dominated. And then taking the ball first in overtime was obviously the wrong thing to do.

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The muffed punt was the single biggest play in the game. It completely turned the game around. The Chiefs scored on the next play. But yes Shanahan was right in the middle of the loss again with some strange play calling and the fireable (IMO) offense of choosing to receive the OT kickoff.

The missed XP was huge. It allowed the Chiefs to play for OT instead of having to try and win on that last drive of regulation. They may have won but the missed XP gave the Chiefs an option they should not have had.

The pass to Kelce on the last drive of regulation where he got the Chiefs into position was a huge play. He gained 25 yards and got out of bounds. Warner as great as he is should not have been in solo coverage there. You have to make another option beat you. Warner did defend Kelce great later which forced the Chiefs to kick the FG. But that short cross Kelce turned into a big play was a crucial coaching misfire.

The decision to take the opening kickoff of OT was horrible. Now we are seeing reports that the 49ers did not know about the rule change. If true Shanahan should be fired. That is awful prepartion for the biggest game of his career. The players should be pissed. You do not willingly give Mahomes a chance to win the game when he knows a TD is needed.

Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.

The 49ers may have one more run in them next year, but their window is closing.

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Where have you seen reports that the niners didn't know the new OT rule? (I'm genuinely curious)

In his postgame interview, I thought shamahan's reasoning for that decision was sound. I also think the analytics slightly favor taking the ball first. I also think romo's point that the defense was gassed was a good one.

I would have personally deferred just because of Mahomes. But I think the call is fairly 50/50 so I hardly think it's a fireable offense.

The flip side of the argument is that if you think Mahomes is going to score no matter what, the chiefs will win anyways even if you defer. Cause Mahomes will score a TD first. Then even if you match the TD, it basically forces you to go for 2 cause you can't give the ball back to Mahomes where a simple FG wins it.

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There are numerous reports today that several players were unaware of the new rule. Kyle Juszczyk thought if they scored a TD on their drive the game would be over.

The decision is much like the college OT rule. Play defense first because you then know what is needed to win.

Once the game went to OT it did favor the Chiefs IMO as they have the best QB. But I am sick of everyone making excuses for Shanahan.

For his players to not be aware of the rules is really weak management. The Chiefs were aware.

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Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.

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It's worth noting that people used to say the same things about Andy Reid until he finally won with Mahomes.

Shanahan has flaws, but let's dispense with the nonsense: a coach who reaches the Super Bowl twice and the NFC Championship four times is not bad enough to be fired. You can do a LOT worse with your replacement.

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I don't know, Sirianni is definitely on a hot seat as well (though he seems to gotten himself 1 more year to right that ship)

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Siriani's team completely collapsed down the stretch and got stomped in round 1. Shanahan's team reached the Super Bowl and lost in OT. These are not comparable results.

okaydo said:

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49ers got the most complete roster in football.

They *should* win the Super Bowl but they'll most likely just blow a double digit lead in the NFCCG or Super Bowl again.

They're like the Cowboys only they choke AFTER the Divisional Round.

— Barry (@BarryOnHere) September 22, 2023

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Pretty on point

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SBGold said:

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sycasey said:

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6956bear said:

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Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.

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It's worth noting that people used to say the same things about Andy Reid until he finally won with Mahomes.

Shanahan has flaws, but let's dispense with the nonsense: a coach who reaches the Super Bowl twice and the NFC Championship four times is not bad enough to be fired. You can do a LOT worse with your replacement.

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I don't know, Sirianni is definitely on a hot seat as well (though he seems to gotten himself 1 more year to right that ship)

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Siriani's team completely collapsed down the stretch and got stomped in round 1. Shanahan's team reached the Super Bowl and lost in OT. These are not comparable results.

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Shanahan's failures in the Super Bowl to hold double digit leads is more problematic than the Sirianni situation. It's time to to have the Shanahan conversation

SBGold said:

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sycasey said:

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SBGold said:

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sycasey said:

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6956bear said:

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Andy Reid has a great QB, but is a great coach. Kyle Shanhan is not great HC. He is very overrated. They have likely had the best overall roster for 3 straight years and he has managed to have his coaching decisions get in the way all too often.

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It's worth noting that people used to say the same things about Andy Reid until he finally won with Mahomes.

Shanahan has flaws, but let's dispense with the nonsense: a coach who reaches the Super Bowl twice and the NFC Championship four times is not bad enough to be fired. You can do a LOT worse with your replacement.

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I don't know, Sirianni is definitely on a hot seat as well (though he seems to gotten himself 1 more year to right that ship)

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Siriani's team completely collapsed down the stretch and got stomped in round 1. Shanahan's team reached the Super Bowl and lost in OT. These are not comparable results.

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Shanahan's failures in the Super Bowl to hold double digit leads is more problematic than the Sirianni situation. It's time to to have the Shanahan conversation

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I also think the "double digit lead" storyline for this game is dumb. They had a double digit lead for about three minutes in the first half. Otherwise the game was always close.

This loss doesn't even come close to the embarrassment of the Lions loss to same Niners. It was a fantastic game. Decent officiating, too. Ads pretty meh. Not too much Tay Tay, either. Overall a good night for the casual fan.