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TexanMark
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Looking forward to you guys joining the ACC (All Coasts Conference).

It is unfortunate that our drama queens (FSU and Clemson) have sucked all the oxygen out of the room. It is embarrassing that you guys aren't getting a welcome to the league you deserve.

We'd love to have a few Cal fans post over at our ACC discussion board.

www.csnbbs.com
Click on ACC Conference Talk

Does Stanford have a board that has a welcome mat out to rival fans with any activity?

The best Cuse board is: www.syracusefan.com
concernedparent
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Thanks, excited to be a part of the ACC!

https://thecardboard.org/ It's about as dead as Salt Lake City on a Saturday night as the 2010 hey days of Stanford football have come and gone, but it's probably your best bet.
Sebastabear
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Thank you so much for coming by! And thank you all for throwing us a lifeline last fall. We are thrilled to be part of the ACC.

I would love to hear anything you can tell us about your football team or its prospects for 2024. I will admit, I know embarrassing a little about what is currently happening with Syracuse football. But I take some consolation from the fact that 99% of the country knows very little about what is happening with Cal football at the moment either. Mostly because we haven't given anyone a reason to pay attention to us since the 00's. We are working hard to change that.

Thanks again for coming by. And best of luck in trying to elicit a conversation on the Stanford board. If you can achieve that, then you should just give up on college football and go straight into magic. Because you would be a miracle worker.
TexanMark
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We hired a new coach from the Georgia staff (Fran Brown)

He is recruiting at levels we haven't seen in 30 years. He is considered among the top recruiters in the country. He brought in several other tip recruiters too.

Syracuse is 4 hrs NW of NYC. We don't have a lot of P4 level recruits in Upstate NY. We tend to get kids from the BOS-WASH and the South.

Our old Carrier Dome finally got A/C, huge center hung video board, 5G WiFi, individual seats and a welcome center. It has been renamed the JMA Wireless Dome.

Tailgating is okay but well below SEC and B1G levels. We have exceptional food in the area and it is very underrated for a road trip around the game. Change of leaves, world class fishing, great golf at Turning Stone Casino, Finger Lakes Wineries, Niagara Falls, Cooperstown are all close by.

This is our best team since our #15 team in 2018. 8-4 seems about right.

Our QB was purchased or I mean given a nice NIL package. He was Ohio State's starting QB (Kyle McCord) They have lot's of offensive weapons too at RB, TE and WR. We are screwed if the QB gets hurt. Huge drop off at QB. Our line play should be improved but not sure how much.

I expect our game in November to be possibly a Top 25 battle.

Bad timing for Cuse fans to travel to Berkeley this November. We expect 5000 to go to our UNLV game in early October. I expect only 500-750 to show at Berkeley.

We host Stanford on a Friday night in September. Do we have your support?
JTfromClash
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Welcome to this board! I've been listening to some ACC podcasts and they have good things to say about Syracuse program. Should be a good when you come here!

Welcome again
Sebastabear
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TexanMark said:

We hired a new coach from the Georgia staff (Fran Brown)

He is recruiting at levels we haven't seen in 30 years. He is considered among the top recruiters in the country. He brought in several other tip recruiters too.

Syracuse is 4 hrs NW of NYC. We don't have a lot of P4 level recruits in Upstate NY. We tend to get kids from the BOS-WASH and the South.

Our old Carrier Dome finally got A/C, huge center hung video board, 5G WiFi, individual seats and a welcome center. It has been renamed the JMA Wireless Dome.

Tailgating is okay but well below SEC and B1G levels. We have exceptional food in the area and it is very underrated for a road trip around the game. Change of leaves, world class fishing, great golf at Turning Stone Casino, Finger Lakes Wineries, Niagara Falls, Cooperstown are all close by.

This is our best team since our #15 team in 2018. 8-4 seems about right.

Our QB was purchased or I mean given a nice NIL package. He was Ohio State's starting QB (Kyle McCord) They have lot's of offensive weapons too at RB, TE and WR. We are screwed if the QB gets hurt. Huge drop off at QB. Our line play should be improved but not sure how much.

I expect our game in November to be possibly a Top 25 battle.

Bad timing for Cuse fans to travel to Berkeley this November. We expect 5000 to go to our UNLV game in early October. I expect only 500-750 to show at Berkeley.

We host Stanford on a Friday night in September. Do we have your support?
So there are some words and phrases in here I'm not familiar with. What is a "huge center hung video board", for example? I am confused because at Cal we pride ourselves on having the smallest video board in the P4. Most high schools in Texas have a larger one. The reason for this is long and sad but basically boils down to . . . "Berkeley." As you get to know us you will learn that we will frequently trot this out to explain the inexplicable. Get ready.

We also are having good portal recruiting success. Back to back top 20 classes, which is something we haven't achieved in awhile. We are all eagerly awaiting to see what our coaching staff (which is now somewhat long in the tooth for college ball) can do with this new talent. We are hopeful, but that's pretty much true every year.

Berkeley can be nice in November. Used to be common for our November games to get rained on but with climate change that hasn't been happening as frequently. It's been probably a decade now. Regardless rain or shine I do promise the weather will be significantly better than Syracuse, New York at that time of year.

As to whether we will support you against Stanford, this isn't really a serious question. We are (grudgingly) grateful for Stanford's help in getting us into the ACC, but we haven't completely lost our minds. Best of luck to Otto. Go Orange!
Big C
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Thanks for posting here! You will absolutely have our support when you play Stanford.

How does the "Texan" and the "Cuse" work, if I may ask? You are from Texas, but you went to college at Syracuse? Got a little story there?

We hope to be something of a surprise team this fall and win a number of conference games. Our NIL collective has given the roster a pretty big boost. We shall see.

Guessing most of us (including me) would love to get to Syracuse for a game some time! Go Bears!
TexanMark
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Big C said:


Thanks for posting here! You will absolutely have our support when you play Stanford.

How does the "Texan" and the "Cuse" work, if I may ask? You are from Texas, but you went to college at Syracuse? Got a little story there?

We hope to be something of a surprise team this fall and win a number of conference games. Our NIL collective has given the roster a pretty big boost. We shall see.

Guessing most of us (including me) would love to get to Syracuse for a game some time! Go Bears!


Born and raised in Syracuse
Spent 20 years in Texas
Live in Florida now

Yeah it's confusing lol

Come over to the ACC Board in the OP and say hello. Great way to learn about the league and teams.

I'm part of the largest tailgate at Syracuse. Reach out to me if you plan to attend a game in Cuse.
SBGold
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TexanMark said:

Big C said:


Thanks for posting here! You will absolutely have our support when you play Stanford.

How does the "Texan" and the "Cuse" work, if I may ask? You are from Texas, but you went to college at Syracuse? Got a little story there?

We hope to be something of a surprise team this fall and win a number of conference games. Our NIL collective has given the roster a pretty big boost. We shall see.

Guessing most of us (including me) would love to get to Syracuse for a game some time! Go Bears!


Born and raised in Syracuse
Spent 20 years in Texas
Live in Florida now

Yeah it's confusing lol

Come over to the ACC Board in the OP and say hello. Great way to learn about the league and teams.

I'm part of the largest tailgate at Syracuse. Reach out to me if you plan to attend a game in Cuse.
I flew into Syracuse about a month ago to check out Colgate with my daughter. Beautiful area and did hit up a visit a to Cornell (beautiful also) and Cooperstown (bucket list item, so cool to experience as well).

I will definitely hit up a trip to Cuse for football. I do dislike Cuse basketball because I always thought Boeheim was a swarmy weasel and I liked G'Town. Pearl Washington though was awesome back in the day
MoragaBear
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TexanMark said:

Looking forward to you guys joining the ACC (All Coasts Conference).

It is unfortunate that our drama queens (FSU and Clemson) have sucked all the oxygen out of the room. It is embarrassing that you guys aren't getting a welcome to the league you deserve.

We'd love to have a few Cal fans post over at our ACC discussion board.

www.csnbbs.com
Click on ACC Conference Talk

Does Stanford have a board that has a welcome mat out to rival fans with any activity?

The best Cuse board is: www.syracusefan.com
Welcome to the board. Registered 3-4 hours ago but still don't have approval to post but if it comes through at some point, I will.
Rushinbear
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TexanMark said:

Looking forward to you guys joining the ACC (All Coasts Conference).

It is unfortunate that our drama queens (FSU and Clemson) have sucked all the oxygen out of the room. It is embarrassing that you guys aren't getting a welcome to the league you deserve.

We'd love to have a few Cal fans post over at our ACC discussion board.

www.csnbbs.com
Click on ACC Conference Talk

Does Stanford have a board that has a welcome mat out to rival fans with any activity?

The best Cuse board is: www.syracusefan.com
Who?
TexanMark
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MoragaBear said:

TexanMark said:

Looking forward to you guys joining the ACC (All Coasts Conference).

It is unfortunate that our drama queens (FSU and Clemson) have sucked all the oxygen out of the room. It is embarrassing that you guys aren't getting a welcome to the league you deserve.

We'd love to have a few Cal fans post over at our ACC discussion board.

www.csnbbs.com
Click on ACC Conference Talk

Does Stanford have a board that has a welcome mat out to rival fans with any activity?

The best Cuse board is: www.syracusefan.com
Welcome to the board. Registered 3-4 hours ago but still don't have approval to post but if it comes through at some point, I will.


The Syracuse board or the ACC board?
Rushinbear
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TexanMark said:

MoragaBear said:

TexanMark said:

Looking forward to you guys joining the ACC (All Coasts Conference).

It is unfortunate that our drama queens (FSU and Clemson) have sucked all the oxygen out of the room. It is embarrassing that you guys aren't getting a welcome to the league you deserve.

We'd love to have a few Cal fans post over at our ACC discussion board.

www.csnbbs.com
Click on ACC Conference Talk

Does Stanford have a board that has a welcome mat out to rival fans with any activity?

The best Cuse board is: www.syracusefan.com
Welcome to the board. Registered 3-4 hours ago but still don't have approval to post but if it comes through at some point, I will.


The Syracuse board or the ACC board?
Fffffurd.
MoragaBear
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TexanMark said:

MoragaBear said:

TexanMark said:

Looking forward to you guys joining the ACC (All Coasts Conference).

It is unfortunate that our drama queens (FSU and Clemson) have sucked all the oxygen out of the room. It is embarrassing that you guys aren't getting a welcome to the league you deserve.

We'd love to have a few Cal fans post over at our ACC discussion board.

www.csnbbs.com
Click on ACC Conference Talk

Does Stanford have a board that has a welcome mat out to rival fans with any activity?

The best Cuse board is: www.syracusefan.com
Welcome to the board. Registered 3-4 hours ago but still don't have approval to post but if it comes through at some point, I will.


The Syracuse board or the ACC board?

ACC
Rushinbear
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TexanMark said:

MoragaBear said:

TexanMark said:

Looking forward to you guys joining the ACC (All Coasts Conference).

It is unfortunate that our drama queens (FSU and Clemson) have sucked all the oxygen out of the room. It is embarrassing that you guys aren't getting a welcome to the league you deserve.

We'd love to have a few Cal fans post over at our ACC discussion board.

www.csnbbs.com
Click on ACC Conference Talk

Does Stanford have a board that has a welcome mat out to rival fans with any activity?

The best Cuse board is: www.syracusefan.com
Welcome to the board. Registered 3-4 hours ago but still don't have approval to post but if it comes through at some point, I will.


The Syracuse board or the ACC board?
Does Syracuse have a natural rival as we do? I've been trying to think who it might be and...?
Cal88
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Syracuse is a basketball school, and back in the day, their Big East rivalry with Georgetown was huge. I guess their ACC realignment put a damper on that.
NYCGOBEARS
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I'm really excited by this rivalry as I've lived in NYC for a long time and have many friends who are Cuse alumni.
PalyBear
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Thanks Tex for the kind welcome and welcome to our board. First thing to learn is the correct spelling of our rivals. It's spelled with a "u" as in Stanfurd. Also if you want to refer to a couple of traitorous schools, Southern California is spelled with a $ as in U$C, aka University of Spoiled Children. Finally, UC Los Angeles is spelled with a lower case "f" in front as in fUCLA.

Hope to have lots of engaging and entertaining conversations with our new ACC brethren.
TexanMark
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Cal88 said:

Syracuse is a basketball school, and back in the day, their Big East rivalry with Georgetown was huge. I guess their ACC realignment put a damper on that.


Georgetown, St John's, Nova and UConn were our biggest BB rivals. The ACC...kinda Duke but we have to get better.

We had a great football rivalry with Penn St up to the 1980's. I guess Pitt and BC now...but it isn't much of one. We've sucked at FB for 2 decades so that doesn't help.
TomBear
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I am glad to have you join us, Texan. It's nice to have some new destinations to check out.

I do have a fond memory involving 'Cuse......back around '70 or '71 I was taking summer classes at University of Oregon and met a very fine young lady from Syracuse. She was pretty, kind hearted, was wonderfully curvaceous and always smiling, and I THINK she said she was in the Syracuse Band(?). That last part is a little hazy. But she really liked Syracuse and I really liked her! In fact, I always called her "Syracuse" and she liked that.

Unfortunately, when "Cuse moved to indoor football, I have to admit I kind of stopped thinking of them as a football school, which they really were before that. I'm old enough to remember when Syracuse was an annual football power and some really incredible backs came from Syracuse including Jim Brown, Ernie Davis, Larry Csonka and Floyd Little. They were tough and durable. And Brown was a very good lacrosse player in addition to his football skills!
TexanMark
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TomBear said:


I am glad to have you join us, Texan. It's nice to have some new destinations to check out.

I do have a fond memory involving 'Cuse......back around '70 or '71 I was taking summer classes at University of Oregon and met a very fine young lady from Syracuse. She was pretty, kind hearted, was wonderfully curvaceous and always smiling, and I THINK she said she was in the Syracuse Band(?). That last part is a little hazy. But she really liked Syracuse and I really liked her! In fact, I always called her "Syracuse" and she liked that.

Unfortunately, when "Cuse moved to indoor football, I have to admit I kind of stopped thinking of them as a football school, which they really were before that. I'm old enough to remember when Syracuse was an annual football power and some really incredible backs came from Syracuse including Jim Brown, Ernie Davis, Larry Csonka and Floyd Little. They were tough and durable. And Brown was a very good lacrosse player in addition to his football skills!



There are some pretty girls there. Cuse is a safety school for those that can't get into the Ivy League and other top schools. School spirit and partys are top notch.
Big C
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With all the people in the Northeast, why isn't college football bigger? The cold weather? Hockey is really big? Folks tend to follow the NFL more than college? (that latter is a challenge we face in N. California)

There must be top prep football programs in the Philly/NY/NJ area, right? But we hardly ever hear about them, or about top recruits coming from that area. (Again, the weather?)
calumnus
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Big C said:


With all the people in the Northeast, why isn't college football bigger? The cold weather? Hockey is really big? Folks tend to follow the NFL more than college? (that latter is a challenge we face in N. California)

There must be top prep football programs in the Philly/NY/NJ area, right? But we hardly ever hear about them, or about top recruits coming from that area. (Again, the weather?)


There is an NFL team in Buffalo. The New England Patriots suck up the oxygen in New England. NYC and New Jersey have the Giants and the Jets. Pittsburgh has the Steelers. Philadelphia has the Eagles.

It is no accident that college football got biggest in places with no long term NFL franchises, mostly in the South and Midwest and away from big cities.

TexanMark
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calumnus said:

Big C said:


With all the people in the Northeast, why isn't college football bigger? The cold weather? Hockey is really big? Folks tend to follow the NFL more than college? (that latter is a challenge we face in N. California)

There must be top prep football programs in the Philly/NY/NJ area, right? But we hardly ever hear about them, or about top recruits coming from that area. (Again, the weather?)


There is an NFL team in Buffalo. The New England Patriots suck up the oxygen in New England. NYC and New Jersey have the Giants and the Jets. Pittsburgh has the Steelers. Philadelphia has the Eagles.

It is no accident that college football got biggest in places with no long term NFL franchises, mostly in the South and Midwest and away from big cities.




Pretty much this. The NFL is king in the BOS-WASH, which is Cuse's traditional recruiting area for students and athletes.

Most of Pennsylvania and NJ has VG HS Football. The new coach has ties to the Camden, NJ area. So we are looking into NJ and Philly areas. The coach has recruited really well in a short amount of time.

Upstate NY is fairly weak in HS Football but has some talent in the larger cities like Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse. HS Football in NY in general plays a shorter season and there is no spring football. The 7 on 7 culture isn't as big either. The weather and decades long out migration doesn't help either. A lot of athletic kids in Upstate NY play lacrosse. So really lots of reasons.

The truly good 4 and 5 star kids are there but Cuse in the past would generally lose out to the Top 5-10 elite eastern brand schools. That is changing under the new coach.

There is a good chance Fran Brown can get Cuse back to former glory. Ofcourse let's see how he can run a program and coach.

Rushinbear
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Big C said:


With all the people in the Northeast, why isn't college football bigger? The cold weather? Hockey is really big? Folks tend to follow the NFL more than college? (that latter is a challenge we face in N. California)

There must be top prep football programs in the Philly/NY/NJ area, right? But we hardly ever hear about them, or about top recruits coming from that area. (Again, the weather?)
There are isolated pockets of hs fb excellence in the northeast, but most areas are historically weak. My top 5 reasons:

1. Parents are just not that gung ho. It is a region of high intellect (at least they like to think so) and intellectual types tend to see contact sports as coarse and anti-intellectual.

2. Money and its allocation. Why put money into an endeavor that doesn't have a direct connection to producing great prosperity for little Johnny?

3. Scale. Most northeast municipalities are small. CT has 169 municipalities for 3 million people. Nearly every one of them funds their own schools; there are no counties. Other than the greater Boston area, it's the same in the other NE states - hs grad classes are usually under 700. NYC and Philly could produce, but have no space for fb facilities, nor the money.

4. HS spirit. There isn't much, comparatively.

5. Local support. In other regions, local businesses, like car dealers, restaurants, etc., thrive on the parasitic support for hs athletics, especially fb - big crowds, advertising. In the NE, that's considered bordering on the corrupt. Local media don't care, comparatively.

Case in point - Newington, CT - a Hartford suburb of 30K or so, had a fb team that did very well. The coach there was friends with the coach at North Ft Myers, FL - a pretty good team in THEIR area. The coaches agreed that the Newington kids would come down as a team for a joint spring practice. The Newington kids got hammered, but learned what it took to be that good. They went back home and did what NFM did. They won the state championship the next 2 years. The town shrugged, the state shrugged and things returned to the way they were.

That's NE football. Occasionally, a 5 star appears, but only because of natural ability, not because of development, and usually they're "not from around here." NJ has some pretty good programs.
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Rushinbear said:

Big C said:


With all the people in the Northeast, why isn't college football bigger? The cold weather? Hockey is really big? Folks tend to follow the NFL more than college? (that latter is a challenge we face in N. California)

There must be top prep football programs in the Philly/NY/NJ area, right? But we hardly ever hear about them, or about top recruits coming from that area. (Again, the weather?)
There are isolated pockets of hs fb excellence in the northeast, but most areas are historically weak. My top 5 reasons:

1. Parents are just not that gung ho. It is a region of high intellect (at least they like to think so) and intellectual types tend to see contact sports as coarse and anti-intellectual.

2. Money and its allocation. Why put money into an endeavor that doesn't have a direct connection to producing great prosperity for little Johnny?

3. Scale. Most northeast municipalities are small. CT has 169 municipalities for 3 million people. Nearly every one of them funds their own schools; there are no counties. Other than the greater Boston area, it's the same in the other NE states - hs grad classes are usually under 700. NYC and Philly could produce, but have no space for fb facilities, nor the money.

4. HS spirit. There isn't much, comparatively.

5. Local support. In other regions, local businesses, like car dealers, restaurants, etc., thrive on the parasitic support for hs athletics, especially fb - big crowds, advertising. In the NE, that's considered bordering on the corrupt. Local media don't care, comparatively.

Case in point - Newington, CT - a Hartford suburb of 30K or so, had a fb team that did very well. The coach there was friends with the coach at North Ft Myers, FL - a pretty good team in THEIR area. The coaches agreed that the Newington kids would come down as a team for a joint spring practice. The Newington kids got hammered, but learned what it took to be that good. They went back home and did what NFM did. They won the state championship the next 2 years. The town shrugged, the state shrugged and things returned to the way they were.

That's NE football. Occasionally, a 5 star appears, but only because of natural ability, not because of development, and usually they're "not from around here." NJ has some pretty good programs.
It's a big area...I live in NJ, and close to Philly.
Some quick reaction....
as said, New Jersey has some solid programs, as a rule, more North Jersey, but not exclusively. Yes, there are good programs in the shadow of the Meadowlands LOL...
Philly has St. Joe's Prep...someone posted above that "we aren't hearing about programs" in the East...if you aren't hearing about "The Prep" it just means you aren't really following programs on a National basis. And, relative to the discussion of Syracuse, the Syracuse starting QB, Kyle McCord, the transfer from Ohio St., is a St. Joe's Prep alum.

The Philly school system has been hard pressed regarding the economics of football, and top of which, basketball is king...plenty of examples of that in various inner cities, not saying it's unique. I don't think the presence of the Eagles has anything to do with it, just my opinion.

Throughout the immediate region, Philly/NJ, basketball has been a hot sport in for a long time, especially in the Urban areas.
Cal Junkie
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TexanMark said:

Looking forward to you guys joining the ACC (All Coasts Conference).

It is unfortunate that our drama queens (FSU and Clemson) have sucked all the oxygen out of the room. It is embarrassing that you guys aren't getting a welcome to the league you deserve.

We'd love to have a few Cal fans post over at our ACC discussion board.

www.csnbbs.com
Click on ACC Conference Talk

Does Stanford have a board that has a welcome mat out to rival fans with any activity?

The best Cuse board is: www.syracusefan.com
Welcome to the Cal board, sir. We are looking forward to playing SyrACCuse. (Sorry, couldn't resist).

From all accounts it's a wonderful area and university, and I would love to visit for a fall game when the leaves are changing. Best of luck to your team!
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Last time I visited Syracuse was to see the men's basketball team come oh so close to beating UNC in the sweet 16.

Hopefully will get to make it out there and get over the hump with a football win. Welcome to Bear Territory!
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Big C said:


With all the people in the Northeast, why isn't college football bigger? The cold weather? Hockey is really big? Folks tend to follow the NFL more than college? (that latter is a challenge we face in N. California)

There must be top prep football programs in the Philly/NY/NJ area, right? But we hardly ever hear about them, or about top recruits coming from that area. (Again, the weather?)
Pro sports dominate. No big state school culture like there is in the south/midwest/west. Lots of smaller colleges like liberal arts schools, etc. At the high school level, not much of a football culture (PA excepted). Most kids play baseball, basketball, tennis, xc/track, etc.

Also, welcome TexanMark! Lovely to have you. Beat Furd for us!
calumnus
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mbBear said:

Rushinbear said:

Big C said:


With all the people in the Northeast, why isn't college football bigger? The cold weather? Hockey is really big? Folks tend to follow the NFL more than college? (that latter is a challenge we face in N. California)

There must be top prep football programs in the Philly/NY/NJ area, right? But we hardly ever hear about them, or about top recruits coming from that area. (Again, the weather?)
There are isolated pockets of hs fb excellence in the northeast, but most areas are historically weak. My top 5 reasons:

1. Parents are just not that gung ho. It is a region of high intellect (at least they like to think so) and intellectual types tend to see contact sports as coarse and anti-intellectual.

2. Money and its allocation. Why put money into an endeavor that doesn't have a direct connection to producing great prosperity for little Johnny?

3. Scale. Most northeast municipalities are small. CT has 169 municipalities for 3 million people. Nearly every one of them funds their own schools; there are no counties. Other than the greater Boston area, it's the same in the other NE states - hs grad classes are usually under 700. NYC and Philly could produce, but have no space for fb facilities, nor the money.

4. HS spirit. There isn't much, comparatively.

5. Local support. In other regions, local businesses, like car dealers, restaurants, etc., thrive on the parasitic support for hs athletics, especially fb - big crowds, advertising. In the NE, that's considered bordering on the corrupt. Local media don't care, comparatively.

Case in point - Newington, CT - a Hartford suburb of 30K or so, had a fb team that did very well. The coach there was friends with the coach at North Ft Myers, FL - a pretty good team in THEIR area. The coaches agreed that the Newington kids would come down as a team for a joint spring practice. The Newington kids got hammered, but learned what it took to be that good. They went back home and did what NFM did. They won the state championship the next 2 years. The town shrugged, the state shrugged and things returned to the way they were.

That's NE football. Occasionally, a 5 star appears, but only because of natural ability, not because of development, and usually they're "not from around here." NJ has some pretty good programs.
It's a big area...I live in NJ, and close to Philly.
Some quick reaction....
as said, New Jersey has some solid programs, as a rule, more North Jersey, but not exclusively. Yes, there are good programs in the shadow of the Meadowlands LOL...
Philly has St. Joe's Prep...someone posted above that "we aren't hearing about programs" in the East...if you aren't hearing about "The Prep" it just means you aren't really following programs on a National basis. And, relative to the discussion of Syracuse, the Syracuse starting QB, Kyle McCord, the transfer from Ohio St., is a St. Joe's Prep alum.

The Philly school system has been hard pressed regarding the economics of football, and top of which, basketball is king...plenty of examples of that in various inner cities, not saying it's unique. I don't think the presence of the Eagles has anything to do with it, just my opinion.

Throughout the immediate region, Philly/NJ, basketball has been a hot sport in for a long time, especially in the Urban areas.



Two seperate issues. Supply and demand.

"The Eagles" was the main answer to why Temple football is not a big deal in Philadelphia.

The amount of prep talent in the area is a seperate issue. Colleges located in areas with a lot of prep talent have some advantages in landing that talent. However, if the local college is not a big brand the talent will just leave for schools elsewhere (Najee Harris leaving the East Bay to go to Alabama instead of staying at Cal).

Some schools located in areas without a pro team develop big brands (it helps if they carry the state name) and if their area doesn't have a lot of prep talent they just import it from elsewhere (see Oregon).
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mbBear said:

Rushinbear said:

Big C said:


With all the people in the Northeast, why isn't college football bigger? The cold weather? Hockey is really big? Folks tend to follow the NFL more than college? (that latter is a challenge we face in N. California)

There must be top prep football programs in the Philly/NY/NJ area, right? But we hardly ever hear about them, or about top recruits coming from that area. (Again, the weather?)
There are isolated pockets of hs fb excellence in the northeast, but most areas are historically weak. My top 5 reasons:

1. Parents are just not that gung ho. It is a region of high intellect (at least they like to think so) and intellectual types tend to see contact sports as coarse and anti-intellectual.

2. Money and its allocation. Why put money into an endeavor that doesn't have a direct connection to producing great prosperity for little Johnny?

3. Scale. Most northeast municipalities are small. CT has 169 municipalities for 3 million people. Nearly every one of them funds their own schools; there are no counties. Other than the greater Boston area, it's the same in the other NE states - hs grad classes are usually under 700. NYC and Philly could produce, but have no space for fb facilities, nor the money.

4. HS spirit. There isn't much, comparatively.

5. Local support. In other regions, local businesses, like car dealers, restaurants, etc., thrive on the parasitic support for hs athletics, especially fb - big crowds, advertising. In the NE, that's considered bordering on the corrupt. Local media don't care, comparatively.

Case in point - Newington, CT - a Hartford suburb of 30K or so, had a fb team that did very well. The coach there was friends with the coach at North Ft Myers, FL - a pretty good team in THEIR area. The coaches agreed that the Newington kids would come down as a team for a joint spring practice. The Newington kids got hammered, but learned what it took to be that good. They went back home and did what NFM did. They won the state championship the next 2 years. The town shrugged, the state shrugged and things returned to the way they were.

That's NE football. Occasionally, a 5 star appears, but only because of natural ability, not because of development, and usually they're "not from around here." NJ has some pretty good programs.
It's a big area...I live in NJ, and close to Philly.
Some quick reaction....
as said, New Jersey has some solid programs, as a rule, more North Jersey, but not exclusively. Yes, there are good programs in the shadow of the Meadowlands LOL...
Philly has St. Joe's Prep...someone posted above that "we aren't hearing about programs" in the East...if you aren't hearing about "The Prep" it just means you aren't really following programs on a National basis. And, relative to the discussion of Syracuse, the Syracuse starting QB, Kyle McCord, the transfer from Ohio St., is a St. Joe's Prep alum.

The Philly school system has been hard pressed regarding the economics of football, and top of which, basketball is king...plenty of examples of that in various inner cities, not saying it's unique. I don't think the presence of the Eagles has anything to do with it, just my opinion.

Throughout the immediate region, Philly/NJ, basketball has been a hot sport in for a long time, especially in the Urban areas.




No big state schools to feed- UCONN, UMASS, Rutgers, etc are puny and better suited for bball and hockey ( UMASS) won an NCAA title in same as did BU BC
PA State is an exception but that is borderline midwest
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Anarchistbear said:

mbBear said:

Rushinbear said:

Big C said:


With all the people in the Northeast, why isn't college football bigger? The cold weather? Hockey is really big? Folks tend to follow the NFL more than college? (that latter is a challenge we face in N. California)

There must be top prep football programs in the Philly/NY/NJ area, right? But we hardly ever hear about them, or about top recruits coming from that area. (Again, the weather?)
There are isolated pockets of hs fb excellence in the northeast, but most areas are historically weak. My top 5 reasons:

1. Parents are just not that gung ho. It is a region of high intellect (at least they like to think so) and intellectual types tend to see contact sports as coarse and anti-intellectual.

2. Money and its allocation. Why put money into an endeavor that doesn't have a direct connection to producing great prosperity for little Johnny?

3. Scale. Most northeast municipalities are small. CT has 169 municipalities for 3 million people. Nearly every one of them funds their own schools; there are no counties. Other than the greater Boston area, it's the same in the other NE states - hs grad classes are usually under 700. NYC and Philly could produce, but have no space for fb facilities, nor the money.

4. HS spirit. There isn't much, comparatively.

5. Local support. In other regions, local businesses, like car dealers, restaurants, etc., thrive on the parasitic support for hs athletics, especially fb - big crowds, advertising. In the NE, that's considered bordering on the corrupt. Local media don't care, comparatively.

Case in point - Newington, CT - a Hartford suburb of 30K or so, had a fb team that did very well. The coach there was friends with the coach at North Ft Myers, FL - a pretty good team in THEIR area. The coaches agreed that the Newington kids would come down as a team for a joint spring practice. The Newington kids got hammered, but learned what it took to be that good. They went back home and did what NFM did. They won the state championship the next 2 years. The town shrugged, the state shrugged and things returned to the way they were.

That's NE football. Occasionally, a 5 star appears, but only because of natural ability, not because of development, and usually they're "not from around here." NJ has some pretty good programs.
It's a big area...I live in NJ, and close to Philly.
Some quick reaction....
as said, New Jersey has some solid programs, as a rule, more North Jersey, but not exclusively. Yes, there are good programs in the shadow of the Meadowlands LOL...
Philly has St. Joe's Prep...someone posted above that "we aren't hearing about programs" in the East...if you aren't hearing about "The Prep" it just means you aren't really following programs on a National basis. And, relative to the discussion of Syracuse, the Syracuse starting QB, Kyle McCord, the transfer from Ohio St., is a St. Joe's Prep alum.

The Philly school system has been hard pressed regarding the economics of football, and top of which, basketball is king...plenty of examples of that in various inner cities, not saying it's unique. I don't think the presence of the Eagles has anything to do with it, just my opinion.

Throughout the immediate region, Philly/NJ, basketball has been a hot sport in for a long time, especially in the Urban areas.




No big state schools to feed- UCONN, UMASS, Rutgers, etc are puny and better suited for bball and hockey ( UMASS) won an NCAA title in same as did BU BC


Rutgers is a big state school, but similar to "Berkeley" thinks not being "New Jersey" or "Jersey" sounds more "British or Ivy League" even if that may reduce its appeal to fans in New Jersey who are not alums.

Plus the many years of sukking. And the Giants and Jets.

But yes, large land grant public universities tend to emphasize football. If they bear the state name and are in a state with no pro football team (or at least are located on the other side of the state), all the better.
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calumnus said:

mbBear said:

Rushinbear said:

Big C said:


With all the people in the Northeast, why isn't college football bigger? The cold weather? Hockey is really big? Folks tend to follow the NFL more than college? (that latter is a challenge we face in N. California)

There must be top prep football programs in the Philly/NY/NJ area, right? But we hardly ever hear about them, or about top recruits coming from that area. (Again, the weather?)
There are isolated pockets of hs fb excellence in the northeast, but most areas are historically weak. My top 5 reasons:

1. Parents are just not that gung ho. It is a region of high intellect (at least they like to think so) and intellectual types tend to see contact sports as coarse and anti-intellectual.

2. Money and its allocation. Why put money into an endeavor that doesn't have a direct connection to producing great prosperity for little Johnny?

3. Scale. Most northeast municipalities are small. CT has 169 municipalities for 3 million people. Nearly every one of them funds their own schools; there are no counties. Other than the greater Boston area, it's the same in the other NE states - hs grad classes are usually under 700. NYC and Philly could produce, but have no space for fb facilities, nor the money.

4. HS spirit. There isn't much, comparatively.

5. Local support. In other regions, local businesses, like car dealers, restaurants, etc., thrive on the parasitic support for hs athletics, especially fb - big crowds, advertising. In the NE, that's considered bordering on the corrupt. Local media don't care, comparatively.

Case in point - Newington, CT - a Hartford suburb of 30K or so, had a fb team that did very well. The coach there was friends with the coach at North Ft Myers, FL - a pretty good team in THEIR area. The coaches agreed that the Newington kids would come down as a team for a joint spring practice. The Newington kids got hammered, but learned what it took to be that good. They went back home and did what NFM did. They won the state championship the next 2 years. The town shrugged, the state shrugged and things returned to the way they were.

That's NE football. Occasionally, a 5 star appears, but only because of natural ability, not because of development, and usually they're "not from around here." NJ has some pretty good programs.
It's a big area...I live in NJ, and close to Philly.
Some quick reaction....
as said, New Jersey has some solid programs, as a rule, more North Jersey, but not exclusively. Yes, there are good programs in the shadow of the Meadowlands LOL...
Philly has St. Joe's Prep...someone posted above that "we aren't hearing about programs" in the East...if you aren't hearing about "The Prep" it just means you aren't really following programs on a National basis. And, relative to the discussion of Syracuse, the Syracuse starting QB, Kyle McCord, the transfer from Ohio St., is a St. Joe's Prep alum.

The Philly school system has been hard pressed regarding the economics of football, and top of which, basketball is king...plenty of examples of that in various inner cities, not saying it's unique. I don't think the presence of the Eagles has anything to do with it, just my opinion.

Throughout the immediate region, Philly/NJ, basketball has been a hot sport in for a long time, especially in the Urban areas.



Two seperate issues. Supply and demand.

"The Eagles" was the main answer to why Temple football is not a big deal in Philadelphia.

The amount of prep talent in the area is a seperate issue. Colleges located in areas with a lot of prep talent have some advantages in landing that talent. However, if the local college is not a big brand the talent will just leave for schools elsewhere (Najee Harris leaving the East Bay to go to Alabama instead of staying at Cal).

Some schools located in areas without a pro team develop big brands (it helps if they carry the state name) and if their area doesn't have a lot of prep talent they just import it from elsewhere (see Oregon).


If the Eagles left tomorrow, it would just give Penn St a bigger footprint.
A zillion issues for Temple: has a huge history of being a commuter school. A stadium that doesn't really fit the crowd dynamic, and/or has done nothing to make you want to go to the games no matter what. A basketball history, which is also why they have Liacouris Center, an excellent facility.
And the AAC? Are you excited about that conference? See, you have something in common with Temple football fans lol..

The Big adds Temple instead of Rutgers, then maybe this where "does the talent go"
discussion come into play. But, if the AAC, is your option, then D'Andre Swift to Georgia, Jeremiah Trotter Jr to Clemson and Kyle McCord and Marvin Harrison Jr to Ohio St is not shocking.
The "stay home" story on the East Coast is all about Greg Schiano and Rutgers holding onto the area talent. But Syracuse recruiting will be interesting.
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Thanks for reaching out, Tex. Been to Syracuse numerous times (as my kids summered at that college in Ithaca). Always found the folks in upstate NY warm and friendly. Looking forward to visiting teh dome for a game. Hopefully your football team will return to its glory, or at least as competitive as men's LAX. (btw: Kinda ironic that a place built on the riches of the first ac company was the hottest place in town in August. hahaha)
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Econ141 said:

Last time I visited Syracuse was to see the men's basketball team come oh so close to beating UNC in the sweet 16.

Hopefully will get to make it out there and get over the hump with a football win. Welcome to Bear Territory!


I really want to get out to see Cuse play Cal this year but Vegas won over. We recently added an away game vs UNLV in early October. Two football centric trips west is too much for my wife as she would rather watch paint dry.

Definitely next time.

Hey the good news...we should build up a nice crew rivalry lol
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