Great article from today's WSJ -- You Won't Believe College Football This Season

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MTbear22
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Gobears49 said:

As a Group of Five (or six) FBS team, any such team would be eligible to receive a FBS football playoff invitation if it met the FBS rules.
You keep repeating this as if it means anything. So, how is your proposed conference going to compete financially?
Gobears49
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For those of you who like to look up plane schedules, are there any direct flights from the Bay Area to ACC locations? To which cities?

For all flights from the Bay Area to ACC locations, which flights on the earliest flight on a Thursday morning, and requiring a plane change, would arrive at the ACC location, Eastern time, based upon current flight schedules. I think that the best arrival time would be really late in the evening, maybe even close to midnight.
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United flies into Syracuse from SFO, 7hr flight time including 1 stop either in Chicago or Denver, both of which are close to the direct path between SF and Syracuse. I guess you would have to take at least Friday off for that trip.

Pittsburgh has direct nonstop flights from SF, as do Miami, Atlanta, Dallas and Boston obviously, but apparently United also flies nonstop to Louisville and Raleigh-Durham (covers UNC, Duke, NC St and WF). So the majority of ACC teams are accessible via direct flights from the Bay Area,
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Gobears49 said:

For those of you who like to look up plane schedules, are there any direct flights from the Bay Area to ACC locations? To which cities?

For all flights from the Bay Area to ACC locations, which flights on the earliest flight on a Thursday morning, and requiring a plane change, would arrive at the ACC location, Eastern time, based upon current flight schedules. I think that the best arrival time would be really late in the evening, maybe even close to midnight.
Late arriving flights to East Coast to play a potentially ranked ACC team on national televison >>>>>>>>>> 14 hour drive to Pullman, WA to play a nobody WSU in your Pac-9 with the game being played in front of 7k students and not on TV
Gobears49
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Thanks for your work on this. I could never be able to do that. For non-direct flights to the desired destination, for which destinations are they and when would the flights arrive in the east on the second leg of the trip, assuming, a 9 a.m. departure from the west coast for the first flight Depending on the connection, I'm guessing really late at night.

Thanks.
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Gobears49 said:

For those of you who like to look up plane schedules, are there any direct flights from the Bay Area to ACC locations? To which cities?

For all flights from the Bay Area to ACC locations, which flights on the earliest flight on a Thursday morning, and requiring a plane change, would arrive at the ACC location, Eastern time, based upon current flight schedules. I think that the best arrival time would be really late in the evening, maybe even close to midnight.
You know we are not here to serve you. Instead of asking questions, why don't you get off your butt and find things out, and then make some statement of facts. Once again, what you think is wrong, there are plenty of morning flights that get you from the Bay Area airports to ACC football cities like Atlanta late afternoon to early evening due to the time change. Moreover, you can find morning direct flights to ACC cities not named Tallahassee from SoCal airports. Sure you have to stay overnight for some games - so welcome to the world of the many SoCal fans who somehow manage to make it to games at Berkeley, without the whining. BTW, Mr. Thursday morning, they play football games on Saturday now since many decades ago. Travel day is Friday or Saturday for football fans unless you want to enjoy the area more or you have a rare Friday night game (see Cal vs. Wake Forest).

Edit: I can see why posters put you on ignore.
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Gobears49 said:

Thanks for your work on this. I could never be able to do that. For non-direct flights to the desired destination, for which destinations are they and when would the flights arrive in the east on the second leg of the trip, assuming, a 9 a.m. departure from the west coast for the first flight Depending on the connection, I'm guessing really late at night.

Thanks.


To everyone else please don't feed the troll. If there were ever evidence that poster is nothing more than a troll, I think this post is it.
Gobears49
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I guess I should also ask how long is the drive from Raleigh-Durham to UNC, Duke, NC St and WF, assuming something could perhaps be arranged to get added transportation from Raleigh Durham in the the afternoon or evening (probably on Thursday, to allow for a good nights sleep before the game) to accomodate all of the extra traffic from Cal fans.

Anyone have an estimate as to how many Cal fans would make those trips?

MTbear22
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grrrrah said:

Gobears49 said:

Thanks for your work on this. I could never be able to do that. For non-direct flights to the desired destination, for which destinations are they and when would the flights arrive in the east on the second leg of the trip, assuming, a 9 a.m. departure from the west coast for the first flight Depending on the connection, I'm guessing really late at night.

Thanks.


To everyone else please don't feed the troll. If there were ever evidence that poster is nothing more than a troll, I think this post is it.
Yep
Cal88
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OP is 75yo, I would cut him some slack.
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Gobears49 said:

Thanks for your work on this. I could never be able to do that. For non-direct flights to the desired destination, for which destinations are they and when would the flights arrive in the east on the second leg of the trip, assuming, a 9 a.m. departure from the west coast for the first flight Depending on the connection, I'm guessing really late at night.

Thanks.



TWA and Eastern Airlines have non stops
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lol, i'm surprised this thread is still going. engaging in a GB49 thread just leads you into a neverending loop. and you may find yourself having to research facts and summarize for him

pro-tip...everyone trying to rationalize with him...it's not going to work. the same argument is brought up every single time.
Gobears49
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Thanks.
Cal88
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Gobears49 said:


I guess I should also ask how long is the drive from Raleigh-Durham to UNC, Duke, NC St and WF, assuming something could perhaps be arranged to get added transportation from Raleigh Durham in the the afternoon or evening (probably on Thursday, to allow for a good nights sleep before the game) to accomodate all of the extra traffic from Cal fans.

Anyone have an estimate as to how many Cal fans would make those trips?

NC St, Duke and UNC are pretty close to the Raleigh-Durham Airport, half hour or less drive.

Wake is a bit less accessible being almost 2hrs away from R-D, but is a half hour from the Greensboro airport, however there doesn't seem to be many/any direct flights from SFO to Greesboro.

In any case, the '24 ACC roadies are @FSU Sept 21, @Pitt Oct 12 and @WFU Nov 8, so there is no point in going in further detail on other destinations for now. Pitt looks like the best trip in terms of direct flights (less than 5 hours), hotels, destination and weather (peak fall foliage) - better than Vegas!
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Ridiculous!!!. Flight schedules to ACC home destinations are a totally different topic than what I brought up before. Prove otherwise!!!
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Gobears49 said:


I guess I should also ask how long is the drive from Raleigh-Durham to UNC, Duke, NC St and WF, assuming something could perhaps be arranged to get added transportation from Raleigh Durham in the the afternoon or evening (probably on Thursday, to allow for a good nights sleep before the game) to accomodate all of the extra traffic from Cal fans.

Anyone have an estimate as to how many Cal fans would make those trips?



Ever heard of Google Maps?
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Cal88 said:

Gobears49 said:


I guess I should also ask how long is the drive from Raleigh-Durham to UNC, Duke, NC St and WF, assuming something could perhaps be arranged to get added transportation from Raleigh Durham in the the afternoon or evening (probably on Thursday, to allow for a good nights sleep before the game) to accomodate all of the extra traffic from Cal fans.

Anyone have an estimate as to how many Cal fans would make those trips?

NC St, Duke and UNC are pretty close to the Raleigh-Durham Airport, half hour or less drive.

Wake is a bit less accessible being almost 2hrs away from R-D, but is a half hour from the Greensboro airport, however there doesn't seem to be many/any direct flights from SFO to Greesboro.

In any case, the '24 ACC roadies are @FSU Sept 21, @Pitt Oct 12 and @WFU Nov 8, so there is no point in going in further detail on other destinations for now. Pitt looks like the best trip in terms of direct flights (less than 5 hours), hotels, destination and weather (peak fall foliage) - better than Vegas!


And if all goes well we will have our bowl in Vegas.
Gobears49
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Nobody is factoring in the loss of three hours travelling east, the time factor of waiting for any required connecting flights, plus the travel time on the road after the connecting flight. Seems to be very possible a flight from SFO at 9 a.m. (12 eastern) would result in a very late arrival at certain eastern locations if a connecting flight was required.

I admit I don't have the skills to factor in these issues.
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Gobears49 said:

Nobody is factoring in the loss of three hours travelling east, the time factor of waiting for any required connecting flights, plus the travel time on the road after the connecting flight. Seems to be very possible a flight from SFO at 9 a.m. (12 eastern) would result in a very late arrival at certain eastern locations if a connecting flight was required.

I admit I don't have the skills to factor in these issues.


It is a done deal. But just 3 conference games each year east of the Mississippi. Not an issue for football on a chartered flight.

If you want to worry about travel, worry about basketball.
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Just want to add, though not having any experience on this issue, that I doubt that flights east for football would be chartered for fans but only for players. Fans will have to use regularly schedule airlines to go east and thus would be subject to delays in commerical flights leaving on time, connecting flights, and delays in final ground transportatoinc. I still believe, but without doing any research, that flight delays and ground travel from the final destination airport to the final destination could result in fans arriving for a game or two close to midnight.

Just want to warn you I have a new issue to raise which will likely get you more upset with me (my specialty). It has to do with my opinion of Wilcox, but I'll save that for tomorrow.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/coaches/justin-wilcox-1.html
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Gobears49 said:


I guess I should also ask how long is the drive from Raleigh-Durham to UNC, Duke, NC St and WF, assuming something could perhaps be arranged to get added transportation from Raleigh Durham in the the afternoon or evening (probably on Thursday, to allow for a good nights sleep before the game) to accomodate all of the extra traffic from Cal fans.

Anyone have an estimate as to how many Cal fans would make those trips?


go on the internet and type in Raleigh-durham airport to UNC or Duke or NC State or WF. They are all off the same highway. If a five year old can do it, so can you or any other troll.
wifeisafurd
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Cal88 said:

OP is 75yo, I would cut him some slack.
No, you are just being trolled.
Gobears49
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I posted this earlier without any backup. A Syracuse fan said on this blog that he expects Syracuse's game this season at Cal will only draw about 1,000 Syracuse fans but their game this season at UNLV will draw about 5,000 fans. This shows the drawing power of playing a game at Las Vegas. Should be the same for almost all games played at Vegas versus games played at Cal.

https://tickets-center.com/search/syracuse-orange-football-tickets/?performerId=1134&performerName=Syracuse+Orange+Football&tagid=156&atid=102&nid=2&accid=140079353&cid=71056133765059&kwid=71056435206489&akwd=syracuse%20football%20schedule&dmt=e&bmt=bp&dist=s&uq=syracuse%20football%20schedule&device=c&ismobile=false&msclkid=2cb80555d1a51b4798ee63c4e2e52284&loc_physical_ms=43897&loc_interest_ms=&exid=&vx=0
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Cal88 said:

OP is 75yo, I would cut him some slack.
Too young for a presidential run. F 'im.
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Gobears49 said:

Nobody is factoring in the loss of three hours travelling east, the time factor of waiting for any required connecting flights, plus the travel time on the road after the connecting flight. Seems to be very possible a flight from SFO at 9 a.m. (12 eastern) would result in a very late arrival at certain eastern locations if a connecting flight was required.

I admit I don't have the skills to factor in these issues.
Out of curiosity, to how many Pac 12 games outside of California did you travel last year? The year before?
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Gobears49 said:

I posted this earlier without any backup. A Syracuse fan said on this blog that he expects Syracuse's game this season at Cal will only draw about 1,000 Syracuse fans but their game this season at UNLV will draw about 5,000 fans. This shows the drawing power of playing a game at Las Vegas. Should be the same for almost all games played at Vegas versus games played at Cal.

https://tickets-center.com/search/syracuse-orange-football-tickets/?performerId=1134&performerName=Syracuse+Orange+Football&tagid=156&atid=102&nid=2&accid=140079353&cid=71056133765059&kwid=71056435206489&akwd=syracuse%20football%20schedule&dmt=e&bmt=bp&dist=s&uq=syracuse%20football%20schedule&device=c&ismobile=false&msclkid=2cb80555d1a51b4798ee63c4e2e52284&loc_physical_ms=43897&loc_interest_ms=&exid=&vx=0
You're citing a random message board fan's guess at something and expecting anyone to take you seriously.
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I guess anyone's message could be viewed as "random," including yours.
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In my humble (VERY humble) opinion, there is some merit to GoBears49's thoughts. But overall, I think that his proposal, in it's entirety, would not work. The idea is correct and the thinking behind it makes sense. The problem is as has been stated, some of those teams would diminish the "strength" of the proposed conference.

I think it's a mute point anyway. Look at how the landscape of college football has changed just in 18 months. It's not even the game it was a few years ago. If this much change can take place in 19 months, who knows what we will be looking at in just 2-3 years from now? What schools are going to be able to compete at the "major college" level given all the financial considerations and the insecurity of who's going to be on the roster from year to year. I fear in 2-3 years a fair number of schools may just re-evaluate how much they want to participate in "major" college football and we may see some loss of schools that may surprise us all.

For many years I said I thought it was very sad that schools like USF, Santa Clara and St. Marys couldn't keep a football program going. As I look at things now, I wonder if maybe they saw things more clearly than some schools who may as I type this be wondering about the overall wisdom of competing in the current environment.

I am making a prediction here: In no more than 5 years, we will see yet another re-alignment that will be more regionally based (more like the Pac-10, maybe even the Pac 8 (my preference), NOT the Pac 12. And while the mega conferences (read: SEC and Big 10) may remain enormous, they will be broken up into sub-conferences (within the umbrella of the main conference). I'm still unsure of how the playoff picture will look. But I do know this…..the current model is unsustainable. College football has who__d itself to the big money holders, with little regard to the fan. And a great big "STD" is going to cause a lot of trauma and change that is going to be necessary for the game to survive.
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Gobears49 said:

I posted this earlier without any backup. A Syracuse fan said on this blog that he expects Syracuse's game this season at Cal will only draw about 1,000 Syracuse fans but their game this season at UNLV will draw about 5,000 fans. This shows the drawing power of playing a game at Las Vegas. Should be the same for almost all games played at Vegas versus games played at Cal.

https://tickets-center.com/search/syracuse-orange-football-tickets/?performerId=1134&performerName=Syracuse+Orange+Football&tagid=156&atid=102&nid=2&accid=140079353&cid=71056133765059&kwid=71056435206489&akwd=syracuse%20football%20schedule&dmt=e&bmt=bp&dist=s&uq=syracuse%20football%20schedule&device=c&ismobile=false&msclkid=2cb80555d1a51b4798ee63c4e2e52284&loc_physical_ms=43897&loc_interest_ms=&exid=&vx=0

At this point, you are really titling at windmills.
Gobears49
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I promised to make some remarks about Justin Wilcox's coaching career at Cal. This could easily be a long comment, but I will do my best to it a lot shorter than it could be.

1. I believe Wilcox's initial contract was extended all because Oregon expressed interest in hiring him. That is understandable because at the time Wilcox had not beena coach at Cal for a long time. But his relative recent extension to, I believe, 2029, is not justifiable based upon his losing record at Cal.

2. In recent years, Cal's defense, which Wilcox is charge of of, has not been up to snuff compared to its offense.

3. In 2020 Big Game, I am almost sure the Wilcox did not call a timeout when Stanford lined up, twice,to discuss what should be done to address Stanford's lining up in a very unusual double stack defense to block Cal field goal attempt right before half time and, again, when they did the same thing to block a PAT attempt right before the end of the game. Clearly, Stanford's unusual maneuver should have been addressed by Cal by calling a time out. A good rule to address unsual football situations should be "when in doubt call a timeout."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/recap/_/gameId/401249417

"Stanford special teams did a little bit of everything capitalizing on a muffed punt, blocking a field goal moments before halftime, then Thomas Booker getting an elbow on Dario Longhetto's PAT attempt at the end for an impressive showing by a unit that has been a focal point during this strange season.
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Gobears49 said:

I guess anyone's message could be viewed as "random," including yours.
You ask a lot of questions, but seem incapable of answering any. Again: how do you think your proposed conference would do financially?
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Gobears49 said:

I promised to make some remarks about Justin Wilcox's coaching career at Cal. This could easily be a long comment, but I will do my best to it a lot shorter than it could be.

1. I believe Wilcox's initial contract was extended all because Oregon expressed interest in hiring him. That is understandable because at the time Wilcox had not beena coach at Cal for a long time. But his relative recent extension to, I believe, 2029, is not justifiable based upon his losing record at Cal.

2. In recent years, Cal's defense, which Wilcox is charge of of, has not been up to snuff compared to its offense.

3. In 2020 Big Game, I am almost sure the Wilcox did not call a timeout when Stanford lined up, twice,to discuss what should be done to address Stanford's lining up in a very unusual double stack defense to block Cal field goal attempt right before half time and, again, when they did the same thing to block a PAT attempt right before the end of the game. Clearly, Stanford's unusual maneuver should have been addressed by Cal by calling a time out. A good rule to address unsual football situations should be "when in doubt call a timeout."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/recap/_/gameId/401249417

"Stanford special teams did a little bit of everything capitalizing on a muffed punt, blocking a field goal moments before halftime, then Thomas Booker getting an elbow on Dario Longhetto's PAT attempt at the end for an impressive showing by a unit that has been a focal point during this strange season.



Wait, you are saying Wilcox is not the strategic genius we all think he is? Pretty controversial stuff
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Gobears49 said:

If you had done even a little research you would have known that UNLV has mostly had a losing football program for years and years. Las season was a huge exception to that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UNLV_Rebels_football_seasons#:~:text=UNLV%20football%20began%20in%201968.%20After%20spending%20time,of%20which%20it%20has%20been%20a%20member%20since.


hahaha. *** does that have to do with your inane comments?

You are claiming UNLV is a big draw. Your reason to claim it is a big draw is to defend your claim that someone being in Vegas makes it a major team capable of drawing significant media dollars....

It is not. Period. End of story.

But then you throw the dumbest rebuttal of "they suck" as your defense to me saying they suck. I actually laughed out loud. A true LOL.
dimitrig
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Cal88 said:

OP is 75yo, I would cut him some slack.

Isn't that about the average age of a poster here?

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dimitrig said:

Cal88 said:

OP is 75yo, I would cut him some slack.

Isn't that about the average age of a poster here?
 
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