Know a student involved as a host to the Oregon recruits. 4 groups of 10 kids and 40 family members flown in , all rated per group. 0's are high targets then 1's 2's etc. all flown into Eugene. They segregate the female hosts from the male ..-
Apparently Lanning runs a tight ship I am told….What was astonishing were the number of "family" flown in.
Most of the host kids are majoring in sports marketing, administration, business etc.

Everything Oregon recruiting runs through Phil Knight.

NarangS19 said:

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Everything Oregon recruiting runs through Phil Knight.

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of course. My point was the process.

cal83dls79 said:

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NarangS19 said:

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Everything Oregon recruiting runs through Phil Knight.

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of course. My point was the process and the execution .

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NarangS19 said:

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Everything Oregon recruiting runs through Phil Knight.

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They are where they are in football because of Knight and other very wealthy donors. Those very wealthy donors are what separates the Ducks from the Bears. It is not any more complicated than that.

I think the other issue is avenues for careers in sports at Cal.
That is a huge gap

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NarangS19 said:

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Everything Oregon recruiting runs through Phil Knight.

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They are where they are in football because of Knight and other very wealthy donors. Those very wealthy donors are what separates the Ducks from the Bears. It is not any more complicated than that.

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Donors have plenty of alternatives for their money. One things non-profits have become good at is marketing. But above all they need to feel they are making a good investment. Think about that in terms of management, accountability, and success in using their money, when you make a comparison between the Ducks and Bears.

cal83dls79 said:

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I think the other issue is avenues for careers in sports at Cal.
That is a huge gap

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Exactly. Sports is a huge industry: sports marketing, sports management, coaching, sports televising, sports agency and financial management and of course the athletes themselves who all can benefit from knowledge of the above. Oregon with extensive programs and internships at Nike offers a very attractive path to that world.

Cal alums have great representation in all those areas, and I believe we have grad certificate programs now in some of these areas but imagine if we had a nationally recognized Sports Business program at Haas? With admission preferences for Cal athletes?

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BearSD said:

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NarangS19 said:

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Everything Oregon recruiting runs through Phil Knight.

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They are where they are in football because of Knight and other very wealthy donors. Those very wealthy donors are what separates the Ducks from the Bears. It is not any more complicated than that.

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Donors have plenty of alternatives for their money. One things non-profits have become good at is marketing. But above all they need to feel they are making a good investment. Think about that in terms of management, accountability, and success in using their money, when you make a comparison between the Ducks and Bears.

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Knight started making large donations to Oregon athletics in the 1980s when they were winning 5 or 6 games a year and hadn't been to a bowl game in more than 20 years. Oregon's president didn't build a top notch football program. Knight and a few others did it with their money.

I don't fault anyone with tons of money for not giving it away to a college football or basketball team. I'm just saying that some teams have donors who are motivated to give big, even when there isn't already an unstoppable bandwagon for them to jump on, and most other college teams don't have that.

BearSD said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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BearSD said:

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NarangS19 said:

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Everything Oregon recruiting runs through Phil Knight.

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They are where they are in football because of Knight and other very wealthy donors. Those very wealthy donors are what separates the Ducks from the Bears. It is not any more complicated than that.

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Donors have plenty of alternatives for their money. One things non-profits have become good at is marketing. But above all they need to feel they are making a good investment. Think about that in terms of management, accountability, and success in using their money, when you make a comparison between the Ducks and Bears.

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Knight started making large donations to Oregon athletics in the 1980s when they were winning 5 or 6 games a year and hadn't been to a bowl game in more than 20 years. Oregon's president didn't build a top notch football program. Knight and a few others did it with their money.

I don't fault anyone with tons of money for not giving it away to a college football or basketball team. I'm just saying that some teams have donors who are motivated to give big, even when there isn't already an unstoppable bandwagon for them to jump on, and most other college teams don't have that.

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I think for that amount of money it has to be able to be framed as comparable to buying a professional sports franchise, as much a fun hobby as an investment or charitable donation. The major donor has to has some say and ownership like Knight has had at Oregon. My perception is Cal admins have been happy to take donors' money and then ignore them.

As I've said before, I'd like to see Cal athletics (or just the revenue sports) outsourced to an alumni run not for profit charitable corporation, where donations translate to voting shares. Bigger donations get a bigger say though some votes can be one vote per shareholder rather than per share. I think that model could garner deeper and broader alumni donor support and enthusiasm for the teams. It would also provide a model for football and basketball players to be considered employees, but of the alumni-run organization, not the university itself, which would allow the non-revenue sports to continue on more or less the current model,

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BearSD said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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BearSD said:

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NarangS19 said:

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Everything Oregon recruiting runs through Phil Knight.

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They are where they are in football because of Knight and other very wealthy donors. Those very wealthy donors are what separates the Ducks from the Bears. It is not any more complicated than that.

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Donors have plenty of alternatives for their money. One things non-profits have become good at is marketing. But above all they need to feel they are making a good investment. Think about that in terms of management, accountability, and success in using their money, when you make a comparison between the Ducks and Bears.

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Knight started making large donations to Oregon athletics in the 1980s when they were winning 5 or 6 games a year and hadn't been to a bowl game in more than 20 years. Oregon's president didn't build a top notch football program. Knight and a few others did it with their money.

I don't fault anyone with tons of money for not giving it away to a college football or basketball team. I'm just saying that some teams have donors who are motivated to give big, even when there isn't already an unstoppable bandwagon for them to jump on, and most other college teams don't have that.

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I think for that amount of money it has to be able to be framed as comparable to buying a professional sports franchise, as much a fun hobby as an investment or charitable donation. The major donor has to has some say and ownership like Knight has had at Oregon. My perception is Cal admins have been happy to take donors' money and then ignore them.

As I've said before, I'd like to see Cal athletics (or just the revenue sports) outsourced to an alumni run not for profit charitable corporation, where donations translate to voting shares. Bigger donations get a bigger say though some votes can be one vote per shareholder rather than per share. I think that model could garner deeper and broader alumni donor support and enthusiasm for the teams. It would also provide a model for football and basketball players to be considered employees, but of the alumni-run organization, not the university itself, which would allow the non-revenue sports to continue on more or less the current model,

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Very few major public universities let donors have as much say as Knight has with Oregon athletics (or the University of Oregon as a whole, for that matter). I am fine with us not following that lead. We're not Oregon, or Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, etc.

On the plus side, Phil Knight is 86, he's not going to be around much longer. I suspect he will set up some kind of well-endowed foundation to keep supporting Oregon in posterity, but there will probably still be some dropoff.

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On the plus side, Phil Knight is 86, he's not going to be around much longer. I suspect he will set up some kind of well-endowed foundation to keep supporting Oregon in posterity, but there will probably still be some dropoff.

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Though now that we are in different conferences it will matter less and less. However, it would be great to stop the flow of NorCal recruits to Eugene.

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Know a student involved as a host to the Oregon recruits. 4 groups of 10 kids and 40 family members flown in , all rated per group. 0's are high targets then 1's 2's etc. all flown into Eugene. They segregate the female hosts from the male ..-
Apparently Lanning runs a tight ship I am told….What was astonishing were the number of "family" flown in.
Most of the host kids are majoring in sports marketing, administration, business etc.

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More details, please.

Go Bears!

I don't give a $&@# about Oregon.

BearSD said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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BearSD said:

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NarangS19 said:

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Everything Oregon recruiting runs through Phil Knight.

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They are where they are in football because of Knight and other very wealthy donors. Those very wealthy donors are what separates the Ducks from the Bears. It is not any more complicated than that.

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Donors have plenty of alternatives for their money. One things non-profits have become good at is marketing. But above all they need to feel they are making a good investment. Think about that in terms of management, accountability, and success in using their money, when you make a comparison between the Ducks and Bears.

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Knight started making large donations to Oregon athletics in the 1980s when they were winning 5 or 6 games a year and hadn't been to a bowl game in more than 20 years. Oregon's president didn't build a top notch football program. Knight and a few others did it with their money.

I don't fault anyone with tons of money for not giving it away to a college football or basketball team. I'm just saying that some teams have donors who are motivated to give big, even when there isn't already an unstoppable bandwagon for them to jump on, and most other college teams don't have that.

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It's also the nature of the product from which Knight makes his money. By backing the teams, he makes more money. Rinse, repeat.

I believe I raised a somewhat similar issue with AD Knowlton a few years ago.

Linebacker Goode transferred into Cal from Texas with the initial thought of quitting immediately playing football but focusing solely on his sports graduate program. I read about his plans and suggested to Knowlton that a new graduate program could be structured for Goode, which he could drop out of after one year of playing football for Cal if he wanted to. I forget what happened after that but I believe Knowlton was not in favor of creating a sports management program at Cal for Goode, though I don't remember why. Seems he was concerned that Goode would not be a full time student at Cal in his one year at Cal.

It seems that Cal should offer graduate and undergraduate programs which 1) student athletes are interested in participating in and 2) are willing to fully participate in order to get academic credit for. Such programs would surely help anyone who later turned pro to help them navigate their personal career in the pro's and would help them even if they did not turn pro. There are a lot of jobs out there which are based upon the knowledge of some form of sports management. Cal should help students interested in participating in them with or without such students participating in Cal sports programs.

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Know a student involved as a host to the Oregon recruits. 4 groups of 10 kids and 40 family members flown in , all rated per group. 0's are high targets then 1's 2's etc. all flown into Eugene. They segregate the female hosts from the male ..-
Apparently Lanning runs a tight ship I am told….What was astonishing were the number of "family" flown in.
Most of the host kids are majoring in sports marketing, administration, business etc.

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More details, please.

Go Bears!

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let's see. How the year unfolds

BearoutEast67 said:

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I don't give a $&@# about Oregon.

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sounds like you are solution oriented.

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BearoutEast67 said:

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I don't give a $&@# about Oregon.

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sounds like you are solution oriented.

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Perseverating over the resources of another conference's team is a solution?

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BearoutEast67 said:

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I don't give a $&@# about Oregon.

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sounds like you are solution oriented.

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Perseverating over the resources of another conference's team is a solution?

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it's about modeling your own program for success and doing even the little things rather than miring in self pity. Probably first use of "pervererating" on this site though so kudos