ESPN Analyst Ranks Cal #2 in the ACC

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Not sure I agree but I'll take it! Any positive vibes are welcome here and, as Cal fans, we all know it can be ripped away in an instant. So enjoy it while it lasts or at least until we go undefeated into the playoffs and have to question our entire identities or if we're living in the matrix
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I think it is based on: 1) setting up a big hyped matchup with Miami for ESPN and 2) Reflects our very easy schedule, so we could easily end up very near the top making the prediction look prescient.

FSU at the bottom though…..
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not to be a debbie downer but we haven't played a single ACC game yet, maybe we need to see some conference play first
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SEC is more than an adequate proxy though!
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Two seems high but fifth doesn't
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I don't think the ACC will get more than two in the twelve team national playoffs this year. If you think otherwise. what teams do you think will make it. Looking to see how many people select Cal. We might be close, but I don't think we will make it.
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Gobears49 said:

I don't think the ACC will get more than two in the twelve team national playoffs this year. If you think otherwise. what teams do you think will make it. Looking to see how many people select Cal. We might be close, but I don't think we will make it.


It is WAY too soon to tell. ACC champ is an auto-bid. If the runner-up is in the Top 10 after losing the CCG then we likely get two, depending on how many of the 5 conference champs are in the Top 10.

With 17 teams and only 8 conference games it is <possible> to have 2 or 3 double digit win teams in the ACC. Say Cal goes 12-0, Miami goes 11-1 (losing to Cal) and Carolina goes 12-0 (they don't play Cal or Miami), then Cal beats UNC in the ACC Championship Game to get the auto bid at 13-0. 11-1 Miami and 12-1 UNC might very well get at large bids. Not a likely scenario but possible. Most likely 1, quite possible 2, with 3 a long shot. FSU and Clemson losing early lowers tge chances of having 3 teams ranked highly at the end.

I think there will be pushback if the CFPs are 11 SEC/B1G teams (including 3 loss teams), 1 ACC team, 1 Big-12 team, and Notre Dame while G6 teams are left out completely. I think they will go to 14 and increase the conference champs to 6.



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The highest ranked G5 team is guaranteed an autobid. So it's 1 ACC, 1 B10, 1 B12, 1 SEC, and 1 G5 having guaranteed spots. Of the remaining 7 highest ranked teams I think the ACC could get 1 but at least 6 of the 7 are SEC/B10 so at least 8 of the 12 CFP teams are SEC/B10
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Andrea Adelson is the current president of the Football Writers Association of America (FWAA).
Therefore, her ACC rankings are complelety accurate.
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Bearly Clad said:

The highest ranked G5 team is guaranteed an autobid. So it's 1 ACC, 1 B10, 1 B12, 1 SEC, and 1 G5 having guaranteed spots. Of the remaining 7 highest ranked teams I think the ACC could get 1 but at least 6 of the 7 are SEC/B10 so at least 8 of the 12 CFP teams are SEC/B10


Highest ranked G5 or highest ranked G5 conference champ (not likely to be different, but…). Also, are the Independents only eligible for at large spots or if the highest ranked independent is ranked higher than the highest ranked G5 team, do they get the 5th auto bid?
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calumnus said:

Bearly Clad said:

The highest ranked G5 team is guaranteed an autobid. So it's 1 ACC, 1 B10, 1 B12, 1 SEC, and 1 G5 having guaranteed spots. Of the remaining 7 highest ranked teams I think the ACC could get 1 but at least 6 of the 7 are SEC/B10 so at least 8 of the 12 CFP teams are SEC/B10


Highest ranked G5 or highest ranked G5 conference champ (not likely to be different, but…). Also, are the Independents only eligible for at large spots or if the highest ranked independent is ranked higher than the highest ranked G5 team, do they get the 5th auto bid?

Independents can only get an at large bid, and therefore never eligible for a first round bye or an auto bid at all.
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I don't see the argument of Pitt/Louisville/Clemson being worse than Cal but i will take it!
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Joegeo said:

I don't see the argument of Pitt/Louisville/Clemson being worse than Cal but i will take it!
If you throw out the preseason expectations and go strictly by the results of the first three weeks the list makes sense.

Cal - undefeated with a win at Auburn and against SDSU
Pitt - I guess they consider the above more impressive than Pitt's wins over Cincy and Pitt
Louisville - 2-0 but has only played filler teams
Clemson - got annihilated by Georgia
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Love the enthusiasm, but I fear we might be getting a bit ahead of ourselves. This team has had some very nice stretches, like the first half against Auburn, but they've also had some really bad stretches, like the first half against UC Davis. Hopefully they can get on the right path and play up to their potential from here on out.
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As an ACC newcomer, Cal will receive the best effort from every ACC team as a form of "welcome" to the conference. Let's hope the players learn from Notre Dame and don't believe the hype.
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CalConor said:

Love the enthusiasm, but I fear we might be getting a bit ahead of ourselves. This team has had some very nice stretches, like the first half against Auburn, but they've also had some really bad stretches, like the first half against UC Davis. Hopefully they can get on the right path and play up to their potential from here on out.

Agreed, #2 is too high at this point.
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CalConor said:

Love the enthusiasm, but I fear we might be getting a bit ahead of ourselves. This team has had some very nice stretches, like the first half against Auburn, but they've also had some really bad stretches, like the first half against UC Davis. Hopefully they can get on the right path and play up to their potential from here on out.
Idk if people are getting ahead of ourselves, most people I've seen are still very realistic about who we are. We're not as good as our 3-0 record would suggest and FSU isn't as bad as their 0-3 record would suggest. Their DL still has the potential to absolutely waylay us up front if we still aren't healthy up there. Not having Jaydn 100% is still a huge concern even though our RB room is really good.

But I'm an optimist who predicted 8-10 wins this season so now for the good news:

  • 3-0 has us well on the way to bowl eligibility even if we drop the next two with a good shot at a desirable bowl destination like Vegas or LA where fans will actually travel to see us play

  • We have an outside shot at making the ACCCG which would be a massive leap forward. Regardless, being considered a legitimate dark horse at this point is a big win considering we were picked bottom 4 in the preseason media poll (I personally had us in the 5-9 range so middle of the pack but likely upper middle which is probably about where we really are). If we do actually make the ACCCG I expect fans to flock there in droves like it's the Cal equivalent of a pilgrimage to Mecca

  • We are very likely (I would say nearly guaranteed but I don't wanna jinx it) to have the first winning conference record under Wilcox

  • The ACC hooked us up with a better schedule than the PAC ever did; not just the teams we play but 4 games then a bye then 4 games and a bye followed by the last 4 is as good as it gets (plus no back-to-back road games and all our road games from here on out are very beatable teams)

  • We're getting much better exposure now through the ACC and the East Coast Bias than we've ever have in the past, people are watching our games, they're talking about us, and this will be the 3rd of our first 4 games to air on ESPN or ESPN2. If we win this week we stand a very good chance of being ranked and hosting GameDay on ABC against Miami in a prime viewing slot

  • Our year over year viewership numbers should skyrocket this season and that was a huge concern that was holding us back in realignment talks. Our week 2 win over Auburn was the 12th most watched game of week 2, data isn't available for week 3 yet and week 1 has no Nielsen ratings due to it being on ACCN+

  • Our offensive weapons and QB are legit and the offense as a whole have shown stretches of being very dangerous and are just lacking in consistency due to OL play which also showed signs of taking big steps forward in the 2nd half of the SDSU game

  • Our defense is truly dangerous again with playmakers at all 3 levels and defense travels. I've taken to calling this secondary The Breakers as an evolution of The Takers

  • We have one of the best nicknames around the country, the internet has been calling us the "Woke Mob" as a tongue-in-cheek nod to national perception of California. And getting to tell some of these schools on our schedule "You just lost to the Woke Mob" is objectively hilarious

So yes, we're not quite as good as our record suggests and we're most likely going to drop a tough game or two down the line. But our team is so much better situated now than it has been at any time in the last 15 years. And after this season there will be some tough realities to face considering that we lose most of our best players after this season and will be even more reliant on the portal to replace them than even the past two seasons. But enjoy the ride for now and all the good things that are coming along with it because the rest are just problems for another day!
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Bearly Clad said:

CalConor said:

Love the enthusiasm, but I fear we might be getting a bit ahead of ourselves. This team has had some very nice stretches, like the first half against Auburn, but they've also had some really bad stretches, like the first half against UC Davis. Hopefully they can get on the right path and play up to their potential from here on out.
Idk if people are getting ahead of ourselves, most people I've seen are still very realistic about who we are. We're not as good as our 3-0 record would suggest and FSU isn't as bad as their 0-3 record would suggest. Their DL still has the potential to absolutely waylay us up front if we still aren't healthy up there. Not having Jaydn 100% is still a huge concern even though our RB room is really good.

But I'm an optimist who predicted 8-10 wins this season so now for the good news:

3-0 has us well on the way to bowl eligibility even if we drop the next two

The ACC hooked us up with a better schedule than the PAC ever did; not just the teams we play but 4 games then a bye then 4 games and a bye followed by the last 4 is as good as it gets (plus no back-to-back road games and all our road games from here on out are very beatable teams)

We're getting much better exposure now through the ACC and the East Coast Bias than we ever have in the past, people are watching our games, they're talking about us, and this will be the 3rd of our first 4 games to air on ESPN or ESPN2. If we win this week we stand a very good chance of being ranked and hosting GameDay on ABC against Miami in a prime viewing slot

Our year over year viewership numbers should skyrocket this season and that was a huge concern that was holding us back in realignment talks. Our week 2 win over Auburn was the 12th most watched game of week 2, data isn't available for week 3 yet and week 1 has no Nielsen ratings due to it being on ACCN+

Our offensive weapons and QB are legit and the offense as a whole have shown stretches of being very dangerous and are just lacking in consistency due to OL play which also showed signs of taking big steps forward in the 2nd half of the SDSU game

Our defense is truly dangerous again with playmakers at all 3 levels and defense travels. I've taken to calling this secondary The Breakers as an evolution of The Takers

We have one of the best nicknames around the country, the internet has taken to calling us the "Woke Mob" as a tongue-in-cheek nod to national perception of California. And getting to tell some of these schools on our schedule "You just lost to the Woke Mob" is objectively hilarious

So yes, we're not quite as good as our record suggests and we're most likely going to drop a tough game or two down the line. But our team is so much better situated now than it has been at any time in the last 15 years. And after this season there will be some tough realities to face considering that we lose most of our best players after this season and will be even more reliant on the portal to replace them than even the past two seasons. But enjoy the ride for now and all the good things that are coming along with it because the rest are just problems for another day
Some good points here. I think this team is playing much closer to how Wilcox prefers to play than ever before. The defense has a look of being good and the offense while not great is better than those early Wilcox teams that relied 100% on defense.

Once Ott returns and the OL is at full strength we will see what the offense can be.

Mendoza has a bit of a Cam Rising vibe to him. Not pretty but really gritty. The team responds to him. While he had a bad bowl game the team has won 5 of his past 6 starts and his turnovers which were a problem a season ago have to date not shown up.

The idea that this team loses a lot is accurate but if they close the season strong they will be a program that players will consider much more strongly than in the past. So I do expect the portal to be good to the program if they can finish well. And some young players have really stepped up. Jet, Hunter, McCulloch and Cade Uluave is a full fledged playmaking star. Mendoza is just a RS Soph as well.

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No doubt that we return a good amount of key pieces and have building blocks, my big concern isn't the offense after this season since we have depth and guys ready to step up (although we are losing guys from an already thin OL room, I could be wrong but McDonald, Reimer, and Sessions are all out of eligibility, no?)

But the defense has seniors through the entire secondary with Harris, Littlejohn, Woodson, Nohl, and Miles Williams. We've recruited fairly well there so there should be talent but there's not a lot of experience. And then there's Teddye, Xavier, Reese in the front 7 who will be tough to replace.

I can't track eligibility anymore because of Covid extensions and maybe there's a grad year or injury waiver coming for a couple of those guys but no matter what we'll have a lot of talent and playmaking to replace
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Bearly Clad said:

CalConor said:

Love the enthusiasm, but I fear we might be getting a bit ahead of ourselves. This team has had some very nice stretches, like the first half against Auburn, but they've also had some really bad stretches, like the first half against UC Davis. Hopefully they can get on the right path and play up to their potential from here on out.
Idk if people are getting ahead of ourselves, most people I've seen are still very realistic about who we are. We're not as good as our 3-0 record would suggest and FSU isn't as bad as their 0-3 record would suggest. Their DL still has the potential to absolutely waylay us up front if we still aren't healthy up there. Not having Jaydn 100% is still a huge concern even though our RB room is really good.

But I'm an optimist who predicted 8-10 wins this season so now for the good news:

  • 3-0 has us well on the way to bowl eligibility even if we drop the next two with a good shot at a desirable bowl destination like Vegas or LA where fans will actually travel to see us play

  • We have an outside shot at making the ACCCG which would be a massive leap forward. Regardless, being considered a legitimate dark horse at this point is a big win considering we were picked bottom 4 in the preseason media poll (I personally had us in the 5-9 range so middle of the pack but likely upper middle which is probably about where we really are). If we do actually make the ACCCG I expect fans to flock their in droves like it's the Cal equivalent of a pilgrimage to Mecca

  • The ACC hooked us up with a better schedule than the PAC ever did; not just the teams we play but 4 games then a bye then 4 games and a bye followed by the last 4 is as good as it gets (plus no back-to-back road games and all our road games from here on out are very beatable teams)

  • We're getting much better exposure now through the ACC and the East Coast Bias than we ever have in the past, people are watching our games, they're talking about us, and this will be the 3rd of our first 4 games to air on ESPN or ESPN2. If we win this week we stand a very good chance of being ranked and hosting GameDay on ABC against Miami in a prime viewing slot

  • Our year over year viewership numbers should skyrocket this season and that was a huge concern that was holding us back in realignment talks. Our week 2 win over Auburn was the 12th most watched game of week 2, data isn't available for week 3 yet and week 1 has no Nielsen ratings due to it being on ACCN+

  • Our offensive weapons and QB are legit and the offense as a whole have shown stretches of being very dangerous and are just lacking in consistency due to OL play which also showed signs of taking big steps forward in the 2nd half of the SDSU game

  • Our defense is truly dangerous again with playmakers at all 3 levels and defense travels. I've taken to calling this secondary The Breakers as an evolution of The Takers

  • We have one of the best nicknames around the country, the internet has taken to calling us the "Woke Mob" as a tongue-in-cheek nod to national perception of California. And getting to tell some of these schools on our schedule "You just lost to the Woke Mob" is objectively hilarious

So yes, we're not quite as good as our record suggests and we're most likely going to drop a tough game or two down the line. But our team is so much better situated now than it has been at any time in the last 15 years. And after this season there will be some tough realities to face considering that we lose most of our best players after this season and will be even more reliant on the portal to replace them than even the past two seasons. But enjoy the ride for now and all the good things that are coming along with it because the rest are just problems for another day

100% agree. I'm glad for the optimism and I had us winning Auburn with a Wilcox Special but I'm afraid of people buying into the hype a little too much. I suppose we can separate long time Cal fans who know better than to get too high versus media hype. My feeling of cautious optimism isn't the "typiCAL" or "DOOOOOMMM" but moreso knowing the team in more details and where our weaknesses are.

It's still early in the season but so far a number of things have aligned that have lifted our brand which I think is just as if not more important. Obviously the CFB landscape is on shaky ground and we're the new kid on the block in the ACC. Making a good impression is important.

The few things that have aligned for us:

  • Offense playing better. Lots of credit goes to Mendoza as a steady hand and good game manager. I feel like he's getting better with time.
  • Defense playing better. We knew the defense could play well but hasn't had that spark since Sirmon took over. So far, this is the best I've seen and reminds me of the DeRuyter years.
  • Low expectations. People unfamiliar with the Pac12 don't understand how difficult the conference has become in the last 10 years. The influx of all the money and talent really made every year a bit of a gauntlet. Long time fans know we can go toe to toe with good out of conference teams and that Wilcox has the ability to upset teams with more talent on the roster.

I, too, predicted 9 wins but I have to see how we do in conference play before I can really have any conviction behind it. But if there's any year for an upswing, it's this year. We have much more depth in general. Wilcox really has done a good job with the portal. Every year, it seemed like we were missing a couple critical pieces or were just 1-2 injuries away from it. Ironically, starting the season out with key players missing has given me more confidence that we'll be able to manage well enough to still win games.
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Bearly Clad said:

No doubt that we return a good amount of key pieces and have building blocks, my big concern isn't the offense after this season since we have depth and guys ready to step up (although we are losing guys from an already thin OL room, I could be wrong but McDonald, Reimer, and Sessions are all out of eligibility, no?)

But the defense has seniors through the entire secondary with Harris, Littlejohn, Woodson, Nohl, and Miles Williams. We've recruited fairly well there so there should be talent but there's not a lot of experience. And then there's Teddye, Xavier, Reese in the front 7 who will be tough to replace.

I can't track eligibility anymore because of Covid extensions and maybe there's a grad year or injury waiver coming for a couple of those guys but no matter what we'll have a lot of talent and playmaking to replace
The DB room has some good young players that will comprise much of the starters next season. Yaites, Waggoner, Ja'ir Smith, and Crosby are all plus athletes. True frosh Khamani Hudson is good. Williams and Harris are really good players. Cal found both in the portal. Given their stats I trust the staff to find guys in the portal that can play immediately.

Reese has not played. But McCulloch has been good. Buchanan and Carlton will be tough replacements. Edge defenders like Carlton are hard to find. Buchanan has been good but ILB stats should attract interest if the team continues to perform.

The portal completely changes Cal's year over year expectations. I do not believe they will need to go as big as they did the past 2 seasons. But 6-8 really good additions and a few depth pieces could be enough to have Cal with a better team in 2025 than 2024.
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Bearly Clad said:

The highest ranked G5 team is guaranteed an autobid. So it's 1 ACC, 1 B10, 1 B12, 1 SEC, and 1 G5 having guaranteed spots. Of the remaining 7 highest ranked teams I think the ACC could get 1 but at least 6 of the 7 are SEC/B10 so at least 8 of the 12 CFP teams are SEC/B10
Right now the Top 25 is filled with SEC and B1G, but remember that those teams all have to play each other so they won't all wind up with good records. There will be room for ACC and Big 12 teams to move up.
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This ^^^

The point of the new format is so that F$U of last year doesn't happen again, with the caveat that multiple B1G/SECheat teams get a seat. Those are, after all, the "most profitable" games and the whole thing is about $$$.
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sycasey said:

Bearly Clad said:

The highest ranked G5 team is guaranteed an autobid. So it's 1 ACC, 1 B10, 1 B12, 1 SEC, and 1 G5 having guaranteed spots. Of the remaining 7 highest ranked teams I think the ACC could get 1 but at least 6 of the 7 are SEC/B10 so at least 8 of the 12 CFP teams are SEC/B10
Right now the Top 25 is filled with SEC and B1G, but remember that those teams all have to play each other so they won't all wind up with good records. There will be room for ACC and Big 12 teams to move up.

The ACC and B12 teams will also be playing each other and getting losses.

When say #6 Missouri loses to #2 Georgia, they don't drop down much, unless they get blown out. The SEC bias is anchored in.
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Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Bearly Clad said:

The highest ranked G5 team is guaranteed an autobid. So it's 1 ACC, 1 B10, 1 B12, 1 SEC, and 1 G5 having guaranteed spots. Of the remaining 7 highest ranked teams I think the ACC could get 1 but at least 6 of the 7 are SEC/B10 so at least 8 of the 12 CFP teams are SEC/B10
Right now the Top 25 is filled with SEC and B1G, but remember that those teams all have to play each other so they won't all wind up with good records. There will be room for ACC and Big 12 teams to move up.

The ACC and B12 teams will also be playing each other and getting losses.

Sure, but there is room for one of them to get through a relatively easier schedule with only 1 or 2 losses and be in the top 12 (along with whoever wins the conference).
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Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Bearly Clad said:

The highest ranked G5 team is guaranteed an autobid. So it's 1 ACC, 1 B10, 1 B12, 1 SEC, and 1 G5 having guaranteed spots. Of the remaining 7 highest ranked teams I think the ACC could get 1 but at least 6 of the 7 are SEC/B10 so at least 8 of the 12 CFP teams are SEC/B10
Right now the Top 25 is filled with SEC and B1G, but remember that those teams all have to play each other so they won't all wind up with good records. There will be room for ACC and Big 12 teams to move up.

The ACC and B12 teams will also be playing each other and getting losses.

When say #6 Missouri loses to #2 Georgia, they don't drop down much, unless they get blown out. The SEC bias is anchored in.


The key is they won't ALL end up with 1 or 2 losses. It not mathematically possible. Right now, voters are hedging their bets by having them ALL ranked. Sure, in the end whoever is on top of the SEC will likely be top ranked, but whoever ends up as the top ACC (and Big-12) teams will jump a bunch of SEC and B1G teams that are currently highly rated.
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You're right that we won't have the unprecedented domination we have now with 6 of the top 7 spots taken by the SEC, but these teams won't drop too far, the SEC will still monopolize half of the top 15 spots.
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freshfunk said:

Bearly Clad said:

CalConor said:

Love the enthusiasm, but I fear we might be getting a bit ahead of ourselves. This team has had some very nice stretches, like the first half against Auburn, but they've also had some really bad stretches, like the first half against UC Davis. Hopefully they can get on the right path and play up to their potential from here on out.
Idk if people are getting ahead of ourselves, most people I've seen are still very realistic about who we are. We're not as good as our 3-0 record would suggest and FSU isn't as bad as their 0-3 record would suggest. Their DL still has the potential to absolutely waylay us up front if we still aren't healthy up there. Not having Jaydn 100% is still a huge concern even though our RB room is really good.

But I'm an optimist who predicted 8-10 wins this season so now for the good news:

  • 3-0 has us well on the way to bowl eligibility even if we drop the next two with a good shot at a desirable bowl destination like Vegas or LA where fans will actually travel to see us play

  • We have an outside shot at making the ACCCG which would be a massive leap forward. Regardless, being considered a legitimate dark horse at this point is a big win considering we were picked bottom 4 in the preseason media poll (I personally had us in the 5-9 range so middle of the pack but likely upper middle which is probably about where we really are). If we do actually make the ACCCG I expect fans to flock their in droves like it's the Cal equivalent of a pilgrimage to Mecca

  • The ACC hooked us up with a better schedule than the PAC ever did; not just the teams we play but 4 games then a bye then 4 games and a bye followed by the last 4 is as good as it gets (plus no back-to-back road games and all our road games from here on out are very beatable teams)

  • We're getting much better exposure now through the ACC and the East Coast Bias than we ever have in the past, people are watching our games, they're talking about us, and this will be the 3rd of our first 4 games to air on ESPN or ESPN2. If we win this week we stand a very good chance of being ranked and hosting GameDay on ABC against Miami in a prime viewing slot

  • Our year over year viewership numbers should skyrocket this season and that was a huge concern that was holding us back in realignment talks. Our week 2 win over Auburn was the 12th most watched game of week 2, data isn't available for week 3 yet and week 1 has no Nielsen ratings due to it being on ACCN+

  • Our offensive weapons and QB are legit and the offense as a whole have shown stretches of being very dangerous and are just lacking in consistency due to OL play which also showed signs of taking big steps forward in the 2nd half of the SDSU game

  • Our defense is truly dangerous again with playmakers at all 3 levels and defense travels. I've taken to calling this secondary The Breakers as an evolution of The Takers

  • We have one of the best nicknames around the country, the internet has taken to calling us the "Woke Mob" as a tongue-in-cheek nod to national perception of California. And getting to tell some of these schools on our schedule "You just lost to the Woke Mob" is objectively hilarious

So yes, we're not quite as good as our record suggests and we're most likely going to drop a tough game or two down the line. But our team is so much better situated now than it has been at any time in the last 15 years. And after this season there will be some tough realities to face considering that we lose most of our best players after this season and will be even more reliant on the portal to replace them than even the past two seasons. But enjoy the ride for now and all the good things that are coming along with it because the rest are just problems for another day

100% agree. I'm glad for the optimism and I had us winning Auburn with a Wilcox Special but I'm afraid of people buying into the hype a little too much. I suppose we can separate long time Cal fans who know better than to get too high versus media hype. My feeling of cautious optimism isn't the "typiCAL" or "DOOOOOMMM" but moreso knowing the team in more details and where our weaknesses are.

It's still early in the season but so far a number of things have aligned that have lifted our brand which I think is just as if not more important. Obviously the CFB landscape is on shaky ground and we're the new kid on the block in the ACC. Making a good impression is important.

The few things that have aligned for us:

  • Offense playing better. Lots of credit goes to Mendoza as a steady hand and good game manager. I feel like he's getting better with time.
  • Defense playing better. We knew the defense could play well but hasn't had that spark since Sirmon took over. So far, this is the best I've seen and reminds me of the DeRuyter years.
  • Low expectations. People unfamiliar with the Pac12 don't understand how difficult the conference has become in the last 10 years. The influx of all the money and talent really made every year a bit of a gauntlet. Long time fans know we can go toe to toe with good out of conference teams and that Wilcox has the ability to upset teams with more talent on the roster.

I, too, predicted 9 wins but I have to see how we do in conference play before I can really have any conviction behind it. But if there's any year for an upswing, it's this year. We have much more depth in general. Wilcox really has done a good job with the portal. Every year, it seemed like we were missing a couple critical pieces or were just 1-2 injuries away from it. Ironically, starting the season out with key players missing has given me more confidence that we'll be able to manage well enough to still win games.


Agree on Wilcox's success in the portal
If I had known that Ott would be out for 2 and a half games I would have expected Cal to be at 1-3 or even 0-3.
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GivemTheAxe said:

freshfunk said:

Bearly Clad said:

CalConor said:

Love the enthusiasm, but I fear we might be getting a bit ahead of ourselves. This team has had some very nice stretches, like the first half against Auburn, but they've also had some really bad stretches, like the first half against UC Davis. Hopefully they can get on the right path and play up to their potential from here on out.
Idk if people are getting ahead of ourselves, most people I've seen are still very realistic about who we are. We're not as good as our 3-0 record would suggest and FSU isn't as bad as their 0-3 record would suggest. Their DL still has the potential to absolutely waylay us up front if we still aren't healthy up there. Not having Jaydn 100% is still a huge concern even though our RB room is really good.

But I'm an optimist who predicted 8-10 wins this season so now for the good news:

  • 3-0 has us well on the way to bowl eligibility even if we drop the next two with a good shot at a desirable bowl destination like Vegas or LA where fans will actually travel to see us play

  • We have an outside shot at making the ACCCG which would be a massive leap forward. Regardless, being considered a legitimate dark horse at this point is a big win considering we were picked bottom 4 in the preseason media poll (I personally had us in the 5-9 range so middle of the pack but likely upper middle which is probably about where we really are). If we do actually make the ACCCG I expect fans to flock their in droves like it's the Cal equivalent of a pilgrimage to Mecca

  • The ACC hooked us up with a better schedule than the PAC ever did; not just the teams we play but 4 games then a bye then 4 games and a bye followed by the last 4 is as good as it gets (plus no back-to-back road games and all our road games from here on out are very beatable teams)

  • We're getting much better exposure now through the ACC and the East Coast Bias than we ever have in the past, people are watching our games, they're talking about us, and this will be the 3rd of our first 4 games to air on ESPN or ESPN2. If we win this week we stand a very good chance of being ranked and hosting GameDay on ABC against Miami in a prime viewing slot

  • Our year over year viewership numbers should skyrocket this season and that was a huge concern that was holding us back in realignment talks. Our week 2 win over Auburn was the 12th most watched game of week 2, data isn't available for week 3 yet and week 1 has no Nielsen ratings due to it being on ACCN+

  • Our offensive weapons and QB are legit and the offense as a whole have shown stretches of being very dangerous and are just lacking in consistency due to OL play which also showed signs of taking big steps forward in the 2nd half of the SDSU game

  • Our defense is truly dangerous again with playmakers at all 3 levels and defense travels. I've taken to calling this secondary The Breakers as an evolution of The Takers

  • We have one of the best nicknames around the country, the internet has taken to calling us the "Woke Mob" as a tongue-in-cheek nod to national perception of California. And getting to tell some of these schools on our schedule "You just lost to the Woke Mob" is objectively hilarious

So yes, we're not quite as good as our record suggests and we're most likely going to drop a tough game or two down the line. But our team is so much better situated now than it has been at any time in the last 15 years. And after this season there will be some tough realities to face considering that we lose most of our best players after this season and will be even more reliant on the portal to replace them than even the past two seasons. But enjoy the ride for now and all the good things that are coming along with it because the rest are just problems for another day

100% agree. I'm glad for the optimism and I had us winning Auburn with a Wilcox Special but I'm afraid of people buying into the hype a little too much. I suppose we can separate long time Cal fans who know better than to get too high versus media hype. My feeling of cautious optimism isn't the "typiCAL" or "DOOOOOMMM" but moreso knowing the team in more details and where our weaknesses are.

It's still early in the season but so far a number of things have aligned that have lifted our brand which I think is just as if not more important. Obviously the CFB landscape is on shaky ground and we're the new kid on the block in the ACC. Making a good impression is important.

The few things that have aligned for us:

  • Offense playing better. Lots of credit goes to Mendoza as a steady hand and good game manager. I feel like he's getting better with time.
  • Defense playing better. We knew the defense could play well but hasn't had that spark since Sirmon took over. So far, this is the best I've seen and reminds me of the DeRuyter years.
  • Low expectations. People unfamiliar with the Pac12 don't understand how difficult the conference has become in the last 10 years. The influx of all the money and talent really made every year a bit of a gauntlet. Long time fans know we can go toe to toe with good out of conference teams and that Wilcox has the ability to upset teams with more talent on the roster.

I, too, predicted 9 wins but I have to see how we do in conference play before I can really have any conviction behind it. But if there's any year for an upswing, it's this year. We have much more depth in general. Wilcox really has done a good job with the portal. Every year, it seemed like we were missing a couple critical pieces or were just 1-2 injuries away from it. Ironically, starting the season out with key players missing has given me more confidence that we'll be able to manage well enough to still win games.


Agree on Wilcox's success in the portal
If I had known that Ott would be out for 2 and a half games I would have expected Cal to be at 1-3 or even 0-3.


People are still underestimating how good The Jet is. Lead the team with a 6.1 YPC last year and leads the team with 7.8 YPC this year.

If Bloesch would get the ball to him (and Ott when healthy) outside, our running game would be multiples better and would open up reverses, and play action passing.

Speed kills! Make the big FSU DL have to run laterally, don't slam our speed backs into them.
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You fit well within the ACC. The SECheat has worked for decades now to craft The Narrative, that they are inherently better and thus more worthy. It's irritating.
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stinger78 said:

You fit well within the ACC. The SECheat has worked for decades now to craft The Narrative, that they are inherently better and thus more worthy. It's irritating.
Oh trust us, possibly no one knows better than (former) PAC fans. A quick breakdown of the past decade(ish):

- SEC and PAC were considered the top 2 conferences

- Southern Cal throws a tantrum to block Oklahoma and UT-Austin from joining the conference, UT-Austin's insistence on keeping the Longhorn Network and all it's profits was another sticking point but one that could've been negotiated

- Larry Scott, self-stylized media executive and highest paid commissioner in history, refuses to take Disney/ESPN on as a partner and sell shares of the P12 Network to them. Disney/ESPN instead partner with the SEC as a majority media partner

- The common refrain becomes SEC dominance, when they beat each other in conference play it's a sign of overall strength, when the PAC beats each other it's because they're terrible (also playing a 9-game conference slate because Larry Scott failed to lead meant a guaranteed extra 6 losses per year and extra week of tough conference battles)

- ESPN promotes the hell out of the SEC, claims they're the best, and uses that as further reason to promote them and provide the best time slots and most exposure. That, in turn, leads to more recruits looking to them because they cover exposure, which leads to them improving and poaching West Coast recruits, which leads to more exposure and the cycle continues

- All the while their is a similar money cycle whereby money is funneled into the SEC which improves them which creates profits for Disney who then funnels more money into the SEC

- Average football fans around the country who watch their own team and then the best ranked matchups then are always seeing SEC games, this drives up their viewership and perception because of familiarity. The same fans who parrot the narrative that the PAC is trash despite never watching them play or following how much player and coaching talent they put into the NFL (see: Tagavailoa considered a better QB prospect than Justin Herbert because of SEC bias)

- Larry Scott's attempt to prop up his floundering "media empire" results in PAC relegation to late windows where the majority of the country doesn't watch them. This is done in order to avoid competition and to be the premier events in those windows to drum up value by being exclusive. It backfires and viewership plummets which then costs money and attention which perpetuates the cycles delineated previously

- Oklahoma and UT-Austin, now explained the benefits of forfeiting their exclusive network by a commissioner who knows how to lead even when unpopular, join the SEC

- The PAC blows up because Southern Cal, the very school that blocked potential conference saving expansion, negotiates in private to join the B10 while undermining the rest of the conference. They take UC Los Angeles (the rest of the LA market) with them despite the fact that the negotiated PAC deal would have been roughly on par with the B10 deal without the LA markets

A lot of these wounds were self-inflicted by poor management but one could argue that the SEC bull**** played a major, if not leading, role in the collapse of a 100 year conference history and regional football on the West Coast. We're happy as an ACC team and have no complaints, but idk if the grudge against the SEC will ever go away; and that, as much as anything else, is what makes us a perfect fit for the conference
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Wow. This almost brings a tear to the eye - both sadness and joy. There is another group that actually understands, yet I find it so unfortunate that the PAC dissolved over all this.

Well, we've joined forces now and maybe we can turn the tide a bit. However, the new CFP will tend to institutionalize the disparity, but we'll try.
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