Poor coaching - penalties, going for 2, Rogers on 3rd down, etc.

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westcoastdude
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No words!
Grrrrah76
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Oline and special teams continue to be weakness year after year.
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I think the word you are looking for is "buyout"
CalGB94
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westcoastdude said:

No words!
I have a few!

Wilcox totally F'D this game.

Starting with the idiotic decision to go for 2 on the first score. We kill the momentum of a great drive by running a dumb play and having to chase points the whole game. And guess what? It bit us in the a**!!!!

This game should have been Mendoza's to try and win at the end. Dude was a baller the whole game despite getting knocked down every freakin play. But what do we do? Get conservative and play for FG position, take Mendoza off the field and put in Rogers for the predictable run.

Then put the game in the hands of a 50% kicker who has repeatedly demonstrated failure. Even if he makes it, Pitt has 2 minutes and kicker that hit from 58 earlier in the game.
sycasey
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CalGB94 said:

Even if he makes it, Pitt has 2 minutes and kicker that hit from 58 earlier in the game.

This is an underrated part of the terrible strategy. There was too much time left to play for the FG. You needed to try to force Pitt to get a TD on their last drive.
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Agreed. I would also add that it's time to move on from Ryan Coe. I've been cutting him a lot of slack and figuring he just needed to make some minor adjustments to get his kicks online. However, that FG attempt was a complete choke. He's clearly in his head at this point. I don't know much about our backup kicker, but he was highly touted and can't be any worse than Coe.
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And no time outs at end of first half creating a tense no room for error drive that could have been relaxed. And then no deep balls.
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CalGB94 said:

westcoastdude said:

No words!
I have a few!

Wilcox totally F'D this game.

Starting with the idiotic decision to go for 2 on the first score. We kill the momentum of a great drive by running a dumb play and having to chase points the whole game. And guess what? It bit us in the a**!!!!

This game should have been Mendoza's to try and win at the end. Dude was a baller the whole game despite getting knocked down every freakin play. But what do we do? Get conservative and play for FG position, take Mendoza off the field and put in Rogers for the predictable run.

Then put the game in the hands of a 50% kicker who has repeatedly demonstrated failure. Even if he makes it, Pitt has 2 minutes and kicker that hit from 58 earlier in the game.
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CalBarn
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CalGB94 said:

westcoastdude said:

No words!
I have a few!

Wilcox totally F'D this game.

Starting with the idiotic decision to go for 2 on the first score. We kill the momentum of a great drive by running a dumb play and having to chase points the whole game. And guess what? It bit us in the a**!!!!

This game should have been Mendoza's to try and win at the end. Dude was a baller the whole game despite getting knocked down every freakin play. But what do we do? Get conservative and play for FG position, take Mendoza off the field and put in Rogers for the predictable run.

Then put the game in the hands of a 50% kicker who has repeatedly demonstrated failure. Even if he makes it, Pitt has 2 minutes and kicker that hit from 58 earlier in the game.


I think that Wilcox plays so conservative because his offense is so Stone Age he can't come up with a play to get anyone open.
Notice the last couple of weeks in crunch time we can't get anyone open downfield? Play after play. Yet last week with Miami backed up on their own 5 yard line they manage to find a guy 20 yards open who goes for 75 yards! Wilcox knows he can get 2, maybe 3 yards up the gut several plays and settle for a FG attempt. And when he misses, oh well, he put us in a position to win. Except he really didn't. He plays offense defensively, because that's the guy he is. He can't change.
He just finds ways to lose. We've seen it time and time again.
He does not have a winner's mentality.
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westcoastdude said:

No words!

Word!
sycasey
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CalBarn said:

CalGB94 said:

westcoastdude said:

No words!
I have a few!

Wilcox totally F'D this game.

Starting with the idiotic decision to go for 2 on the first score. We kill the momentum of a great drive by running a dumb play and having to chase points the whole game. And guess what? It bit us in the a**!!!!

This game should have been Mendoza's to try and win at the end. Dude was a baller the whole game despite getting knocked down every freakin play. But what do we do? Get conservative and play for FG position, take Mendoza off the field and put in Rogers for the predictable run.

Then put the game in the hands of a 50% kicker who has repeatedly demonstrated failure. Even if he makes it, Pitt has 2 minutes and kicker that hit from 58 earlier in the game.


I think that Wilcox plays so conservative because his offense is so Stone Age he can't come up with a play to get anyone open.
Notice the last couple of weeks in crunch time we can't get anyone open downfield? Play after play. Yet last week with Miami backed up on their own 5 yard line they manage to find a guy 20 yards open who goes for 75 yards! Wilcox knows he can get 2, maybe 3 yards up the gut several plays and settle for a FG attempt. And when he misses, oh well, he put us in a position to win. Except he really didn't. He plays offense defensively, because that's the guy he is. He can't change.
He just finds ways to lose. We've seen it time and time again.
He does not have a winner's mentality.

Honestly, with good skill position talent and a bad line, we should be playing something more like the Air Raid. Get the ball out quick to playmakers, then hand it off against a light box as a counter to that. But Wilcox could never imagine playing that way.
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sycasey said:



Honestly, with good skill position talent and a bad line, we should be playing something more like the Air Raid. Get the ball out quick to playmakers, then hand it off against a light box as a counter to that. But Wilcox could never imagine playing that way.

Agreed 100%
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sycasey said:

CalGB94 said:

Even if he makes it, Pitt has 2 minutes and kicker that hit from 58 earlier in the game.

This is an underrated part of the terrible strategy. There was too much time left to play for the FG. You needed to try to force Pitt to get a TD on their last drive.

x1000. We should have been trying for the first down, at least, which would hopefully result in a touchdown
ducky23
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sycasey said:

CalBarn said:

CalGB94 said:

westcoastdude said:

No words!
I have a few!

Wilcox totally F'D this game.

Starting with the idiotic decision to go for 2 on the first score. We kill the momentum of a great drive by running a dumb play and having to chase points the whole game. And guess what? It bit us in the a**!!!!

This game should have been Mendoza's to try and win at the end. Dude was a baller the whole game despite getting knocked down every freakin play. But what do we do? Get conservative and play for FG position, take Mendoza off the field and put in Rogers for the predictable run.

Then put the game in the hands of a 50% kicker who has repeatedly demonstrated failure. Even if he makes it, Pitt has 2 minutes and kicker that hit from 58 earlier in the game.


I think that Wilcox plays so conservative because his offense is so Stone Age he can't come up with a play to get anyone open.
Notice the last couple of weeks in crunch time we can't get anyone open downfield? Play after play. Yet last week with Miami backed up on their own 5 yard line they manage to find a guy 20 yards open who goes for 75 yards! Wilcox knows he can get 2, maybe 3 yards up the gut several plays and settle for a FG attempt. And when he misses, oh well, he put us in a position to win. Except he really didn't. He plays offense defensively, because that's the guy he is. He can't change.
He just finds ways to lose. We've seen it time and time again.
He does not have a winner's mentality.

Honestly, with good skill position talent and a bad line, we should be playing something more like the Air Raid. Get the ball out quick to playmakers, then hand it off against a light box as a counter to that. But Wilcox could never imagine playing that way.


Exactly. Mendoza was something like 19-21 in the 1H. It's not like the short pass game wasn't working. We could've kept doing that all the way to the goal line at the end. Just confounding why Wilcox always feels like he needs to do something different in crunch time.

JUST DO WHATS BEEN WORKING!!! Jesus Christ he's such an idiot.
oski003
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ducky23 said:

sycasey said:

CalBarn said:

CalGB94 said:

westcoastdude said:

No words!
I have a few!

Wilcox totally F'D this game.

Starting with the idiotic decision to go for 2 on the first score. We kill the momentum of a great drive by running a dumb play and having to chase points the whole game. And guess what? It bit us in the a**!!!!

This game should have been Mendoza's to try and win at the end. Dude was a baller the whole game despite getting knocked down every freakin play. But what do we do? Get conservative and play for FG position, take Mendoza off the field and put in Rogers for the predictable run.

Then put the game in the hands of a 50% kicker who has repeatedly demonstrated failure. Even if he makes it, Pitt has 2 minutes and kicker that hit from 58 earlier in the game.


I think that Wilcox plays so conservative because his offense is so Stone Age he can't come up with a play to get anyone open.
Notice the last couple of weeks in crunch time we can't get anyone open downfield? Play after play. Yet last week with Miami backed up on their own 5 yard line they manage to find a guy 20 yards open who goes for 75 yards! Wilcox knows he can get 2, maybe 3 yards up the gut several plays and settle for a FG attempt. And when he misses, oh well, he put us in a position to win. Except he really didn't. He plays offense defensively, because that's the guy he is. He can't change.
He just finds ways to lose. We've seen it time and time again.
He does not have a winner's mentality.

Honestly, with good skill position talent and a bad line, we should be playing something more like the Air Raid. Get the ball out quick to playmakers, then hand it off against a light box as a counter to that. But Wilcox could never imagine playing that way.


Exactly. Mendoza was something like 19-21 in the 1H. It's not like the short pass game wasn't working. We could've kept doing that all the way to the goal line at the end. Just confounding why Wilcox always feels like he needs to do something different in crunch time.

JUST DO WHATS BEEN WORKING!!! Jesus Christ he's such an idiot.


He was sacked a lot. Not a recipe for success.
LunchTime
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oski003 said:

ducky23 said:

sycasey said:

CalBarn said:

CalGB94 said:

westcoastdude said:

No words!
I have a few!

Wilcox totally F'D this game.

Starting with the idiotic decision to go for 2 on the first score. We kill the momentum of a great drive by running a dumb play and having to chase points the whole game. And guess what? It bit us in the a**!!!!

This game should have been Mendoza's to try and win at the end. Dude was a baller the whole game despite getting knocked down every freakin play. But what do we do? Get conservative and play for FG position, take Mendoza off the field and put in Rogers for the predictable run.

Then put the game in the hands of a 50% kicker who has repeatedly demonstrated failure. Even if he makes it, Pitt has 2 minutes and kicker that hit from 58 earlier in the game.


I think that Wilcox plays so conservative because his offense is so Stone Age he can't come up with a play to get anyone open.
Notice the last couple of weeks in crunch time we can't get anyone open downfield? Play after play. Yet last week with Miami backed up on their own 5 yard line they manage to find a guy 20 yards open who goes for 75 yards! Wilcox knows he can get 2, maybe 3 yards up the gut several plays and settle for a FG attempt. And when he misses, oh well, he put us in a position to win. Except he really didn't. He plays offense defensively, because that's the guy he is. He can't change.
He just finds ways to lose. We've seen it time and time again.
He does not have a winner's mentality.

Honestly, with good skill position talent and a bad line, we should be playing something more like the Air Raid. Get the ball out quick to playmakers, then hand it off against a light box as a counter to that. But Wilcox could never imagine playing that way.


Exactly. Mendoza was something like 19-21 in the 1H. It's not like the short pass game wasn't working. We could've kept doing that all the way to the goal line at the end. Just confounding why Wilcox always feels like he needs to do something different in crunch time.

JUST DO WHATS BEEN WORKING!!! Jesus Christ he's such an idiot.


He was sacked a lot. Not a recipe for success.
Yeah, better recipe is to stop passing so all plays end at or behind the line.

ducky23
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oski003 said:

ducky23 said:

sycasey said:

CalBarn said:

CalGB94 said:

westcoastdude said:

No words!
I have a few!

Wilcox totally F'D this game.

Starting with the idiotic decision to go for 2 on the first score. We kill the momentum of a great drive by running a dumb play and having to chase points the whole game. And guess what? It bit us in the a**!!!!

This game should have been Mendoza's to try and win at the end. Dude was a baller the whole game despite getting knocked down every freakin play. But what do we do? Get conservative and play for FG position, take Mendoza off the field and put in Rogers for the predictable run.

Then put the game in the hands of a 50% kicker who has repeatedly demonstrated failure. Even if he makes it, Pitt has 2 minutes and kicker that hit from 58 earlier in the game.


I think that Wilcox plays so conservative because his offense is so Stone Age he can't come up with a play to get anyone open.
Notice the last couple of weeks in crunch time we can't get anyone open downfield? Play after play. Yet last week with Miami backed up on their own 5 yard line they manage to find a guy 20 yards open who goes for 75 yards! Wilcox knows he can get 2, maybe 3 yards up the gut several plays and settle for a FG attempt. And when he misses, oh well, he put us in a position to win. Except he really didn't. He plays offense defensively, because that's the guy he is. He can't change.
He just finds ways to lose. We've seen it time and time again.
He does not have a winner's mentality.

Honestly, with good skill position talent and a bad line, we should be playing something more like the Air Raid. Get the ball out quick to playmakers, then hand it off against a light box as a counter to that. But Wilcox could never imagine playing that way.


Exactly. Mendoza was something like 19-21 in the 1H. It's not like the short pass game wasn't working. We could've kept doing that all the way to the goal line at the end. Just confounding why Wilcox always feels like he needs to do something different in crunch time.

JUST DO WHATS BEEN WORKING!!! Jesus Christ he's such an idiot.


He was sacked a lot. Not a recipe for success.


Play to win. Losers play it safe
oski003
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LunchTime said:

oski003 said:

ducky23 said:

sycasey said:

CalBarn said:

CalGB94 said:

westcoastdude said:

No words!
I have a few!

Wilcox totally F'D this game.

Starting with the idiotic decision to go for 2 on the first score. We kill the momentum of a great drive by running a dumb play and having to chase points the whole game. And guess what? It bit us in the a**!!!!

This game should have been Mendoza's to try and win at the end. Dude was a baller the whole game despite getting knocked down every freakin play. But what do we do? Get conservative and play for FG position, take Mendoza off the field and put in Rogers for the predictable run.

Then put the game in the hands of a 50% kicker who has repeatedly demonstrated failure. Even if he makes it, Pitt has 2 minutes and kicker that hit from 58 earlier in the game.


I think that Wilcox plays so conservative because his offense is so Stone Age he can't come up with a play to get anyone open.
Notice the last couple of weeks in crunch time we can't get anyone open downfield? Play after play. Yet last week with Miami backed up on their own 5 yard line they manage to find a guy 20 yards open who goes for 75 yards! Wilcox knows he can get 2, maybe 3 yards up the gut several plays and settle for a FG attempt. And when he misses, oh well, he put us in a position to win. Except he really didn't. He plays offense defensively, because that's the guy he is. He can't change.
He just finds ways to lose. We've seen it time and time again.
He does not have a winner's mentality.

Honestly, with good skill position talent and a bad line, we should be playing something more like the Air Raid. Get the ball out quick to playmakers, then hand it off against a light box as a counter to that. But Wilcox could never imagine playing that way.


Exactly. Mendoza was something like 19-21 in the 1H. It's not like the short pass game wasn't working. We could've kept doing that all the way to the goal line at the end. Just confounding why Wilcox always feels like he needs to do something different in crunch time.

JUST DO WHATS BEEN WORKING!!! Jesus Christ he's such an idiot.


He was sacked a lot. Not a recipe for success.
Yeah, better recipe is to stop passing so all plays end at or behind the line.




Our passing game is better than our running game, but neither is any good.
sycasey
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oski003 said:

LunchTime said:

oski003 said:

ducky23 said:

sycasey said:

CalBarn said:

CalGB94 said:

westcoastdude said:

No words!
I have a few!

Wilcox totally F'D this game.

Starting with the idiotic decision to go for 2 on the first score. We kill the momentum of a great drive by running a dumb play and having to chase points the whole game. And guess what? It bit us in the a**!!!!

This game should have been Mendoza's to try and win at the end. Dude was a baller the whole game despite getting knocked down every freakin play. But what do we do? Get conservative and play for FG position, take Mendoza off the field and put in Rogers for the predictable run.

Then put the game in the hands of a 50% kicker who has repeatedly demonstrated failure. Even if he makes it, Pitt has 2 minutes and kicker that hit from 58 earlier in the game.


I think that Wilcox plays so conservative because his offense is so Stone Age he can't come up with a play to get anyone open.
Notice the last couple of weeks in crunch time we can't get anyone open downfield? Play after play. Yet last week with Miami backed up on their own 5 yard line they manage to find a guy 20 yards open who goes for 75 yards! Wilcox knows he can get 2, maybe 3 yards up the gut several plays and settle for a FG attempt. And when he misses, oh well, he put us in a position to win. Except he really didn't. He plays offense defensively, because that's the guy he is. He can't change.
He just finds ways to lose. We've seen it time and time again.
He does not have a winner's mentality.

Honestly, with good skill position talent and a bad line, we should be playing something more like the Air Raid. Get the ball out quick to playmakers, then hand it off against a light box as a counter to that. But Wilcox could never imagine playing that way.


Exactly. Mendoza was something like 19-21 in the 1H. It's not like the short pass game wasn't working. We could've kept doing that all the way to the goal line at the end. Just confounding why Wilcox always feels like he needs to do something different in crunch time.

JUST DO WHATS BEEN WORKING!!! Jesus Christ he's such an idiot.


He was sacked a lot. Not a recipe for success.
Yeah, better recipe is to stop passing so all plays end at or behind the line.




Our passing game is better than our running game, but neither is any good.
Passing game is pretty good when we allow it to take the lead. If we get stuffed twice and then try to make it up by throwing on 3rd down, not so much. But that's true of every offense.
oski003
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sycasey said:

oski003 said:

LunchTime said:

oski003 said:

ducky23 said:

sycasey said:

CalBarn said:

CalGB94 said:

westcoastdude said:

No words!
I have a few!

Wilcox totally F'D this game.

Starting with the idiotic decision to go for 2 on the first score. We kill the momentum of a great drive by running a dumb play and having to chase points the whole game. And guess what? It bit us in the a**!!!!

This game should have been Mendoza's to try and win at the end. Dude was a baller the whole game despite getting knocked down every freakin play. But what do we do? Get conservative and play for FG position, take Mendoza off the field and put in Rogers for the predictable run.

Then put the game in the hands of a 50% kicker who has repeatedly demonstrated failure. Even if he makes it, Pitt has 2 minutes and kicker that hit from 58 earlier in the game.


I think that Wilcox plays so conservative because his offense is so Stone Age he can't come up with a play to get anyone open.
Notice the last couple of weeks in crunch time we can't get anyone open downfield? Play after play. Yet last week with Miami backed up on their own 5 yard line they manage to find a guy 20 yards open who goes for 75 yards! Wilcox knows he can get 2, maybe 3 yards up the gut several plays and settle for a FG attempt. And when he misses, oh well, he put us in a position to win. Except he really didn't. He plays offense defensively, because that's the guy he is. He can't change.
He just finds ways to lose. We've seen it time and time again.
He does not have a winner's mentality.

Honestly, with good skill position talent and a bad line, we should be playing something more like the Air Raid. Get the ball out quick to playmakers, then hand it off against a light box as a counter to that. But Wilcox could never imagine playing that way.


Exactly. Mendoza was something like 19-21 in the 1H. It's not like the short pass game wasn't working. We could've kept doing that all the way to the goal line at the end. Just confounding why Wilcox always feels like he needs to do something different in crunch time.

JUST DO WHATS BEEN WORKING!!! Jesus Christ he's such an idiot.


He was sacked a lot. Not a recipe for success.
Yeah, better recipe is to stop passing so all plays end at or behind the line.




Our passing game is better than our running game, but neither is any good.
Passing game is pretty good when we allow it to take the lead. If we get stuffed twice and then try to make it up by throwing on 3rd down, not so much. But that's true of every offense.


We get sacked on all downs.
LunchTime
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oski003 said:

LunchTime said:

oski003 said:

ducky23 said:

sycasey said:

CalBarn said:

CalGB94 said:

westcoastdude said:

No words!
I have a few!

Wilcox totally F'D this game.

Starting with the idiotic decision to go for 2 on the first score. We kill the momentum of a great drive by running a dumb play and having to chase points the whole game. And guess what? It bit us in the a**!!!!

This game should have been Mendoza's to try and win at the end. Dude was a baller the whole game despite getting knocked down every freakin play. But what do we do? Get conservative and play for FG position, take Mendoza off the field and put in Rogers for the predictable run.

Then put the game in the hands of a 50% kicker who has repeatedly demonstrated failure. Even if he makes it, Pitt has 2 minutes and kicker that hit from 58 earlier in the game.


I think that Wilcox plays so conservative because his offense is so Stone Age he can't come up with a play to get anyone open.
Notice the last couple of weeks in crunch time we can't get anyone open downfield? Play after play. Yet last week with Miami backed up on their own 5 yard line they manage to find a guy 20 yards open who goes for 75 yards! Wilcox knows he can get 2, maybe 3 yards up the gut several plays and settle for a FG attempt. And when he misses, oh well, he put us in a position to win. Except he really didn't. He plays offense defensively, because that's the guy he is. He can't change.
He just finds ways to lose. We've seen it time and time again.
He does not have a winner's mentality.

Honestly, with good skill position talent and a bad line, we should be playing something more like the Air Raid. Get the ball out quick to playmakers, then hand it off against a light box as a counter to that. But Wilcox could never imagine playing that way.


Exactly. Mendoza was something like 19-21 in the 1H. It's not like the short pass game wasn't working. We could've kept doing that all the way to the goal line at the end. Just confounding why Wilcox always feels like he needs to do something different in crunch time.

JUST DO WHATS BEEN WORKING!!! Jesus Christ he's such an idiot.


He was sacked a lot. Not a recipe for success.
Yeah, better recipe is to stop passing so all plays end at or behind the line.




Our passing game is better than our running game, but neither is any good.
Our Special teams will make up the difference. Put it on them
cal2000
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We lead going into the 4th qt. Wilcox brain freezes. He only wants the clock to run, run and run so we start running, running and running. Then we lose.
sycasey
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oski003 said:

sycasey said:

oski003 said:

LunchTime said:

oski003 said:

ducky23 said:

sycasey said:

CalBarn said:

CalGB94 said:

westcoastdude said:

No words!
I have a few!

Wilcox totally F'D this game.

Starting with the idiotic decision to go for 2 on the first score. We kill the momentum of a great drive by running a dumb play and having to chase points the whole game. And guess what? It bit us in the a**!!!!

This game should have been Mendoza's to try and win at the end. Dude was a baller the whole game despite getting knocked down every freakin play. But what do we do? Get conservative and play for FG position, take Mendoza off the field and put in Rogers for the predictable run.

Then put the game in the hands of a 50% kicker who has repeatedly demonstrated failure. Even if he makes it, Pitt has 2 minutes and kicker that hit from 58 earlier in the game.


I think that Wilcox plays so conservative because his offense is so Stone Age he can't come up with a play to get anyone open.
Notice the last couple of weeks in crunch time we can't get anyone open downfield? Play after play. Yet last week with Miami backed up on their own 5 yard line they manage to find a guy 20 yards open who goes for 75 yards! Wilcox knows he can get 2, maybe 3 yards up the gut several plays and settle for a FG attempt. And when he misses, oh well, he put us in a position to win. Except he really didn't. He plays offense defensively, because that's the guy he is. He can't change.
He just finds ways to lose. We've seen it time and time again.
He does not have a winner's mentality.

Honestly, with good skill position talent and a bad line, we should be playing something more like the Air Raid. Get the ball out quick to playmakers, then hand it off against a light box as a counter to that. But Wilcox could never imagine playing that way.


Exactly. Mendoza was something like 19-21 in the 1H. It's not like the short pass game wasn't working. We could've kept doing that all the way to the goal line at the end. Just confounding why Wilcox always feels like he needs to do something different in crunch time.

JUST DO WHATS BEEN WORKING!!! Jesus Christ he's such an idiot.


He was sacked a lot. Not a recipe for success.
Yeah, better recipe is to stop passing so all plays end at or behind the line.




Our passing game is better than our running game, but neither is any good.
Passing game is pretty good when we allow it to take the lead. If we get stuffed twice and then try to make it up by throwing on 3rd down, not so much. But that's true of every offense.


We get sacked on all downs.

I'm sure it happens sometimes, but so what? Fernando was passing with good efficiency until the last desperation drive. You take your chances where you have to.
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