The fork in the road Mendoza talked about is here

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6956bear
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The players did not play well at times today. But they did play hard. The staff made a number of decisions that sabotaged the effort.

What will Cal do? Probably nothing.
LunchTime
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Played hard?

Is there a trophy for that?
DWM81
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The Team played hard. Travelled 3k miles and played hard. OL + FG both disasters. Wilcox assembled a poor offensive staff. Wilcox should be ashamed of himself...
Gobears49
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Wilcox needs to review the football decision making bible, which I believe says that under normal circumstances (and not the in first quarter) you don't go for two after scoring a touchdown. I believe he said hif didn't get the two point conversion the first time he was more likely to get it the next time Cal scored. However, the probability rules don;t result in a surefire turnarond that quickly. Thus, it was very likely Cal wouldn't get a two point on their next touchdown.

Another comment from me is that Bloesch needs more help handling the offensive line, consistently, year after year, results in one or two starting linemen being out of the lineup each game. As such, it is a positipn that seems to be a posiiton where a lot of fully trained backup beef needs to be available in case of injury.

Coaching up at least ten offensive lineman is a difficult and time consuming job, which leads to less time being available for Bloesch to handle all of his other offensive responsibilities as well as play calling responsibilities.

I think the solution to this problem is to hire another assistant coach to help Bloesch coach the offensive line and then, to stay within the rules as to how many assistant coaches a team can have, drop one of our two defenive back coaches we now have. I don't think most teams have more than one defenisve back coaches (which was created a couple of years ago when Cal hired a defensive back coach from UNLV who had only one year of defensive back coaching experience.
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Gobears49 said:

Wilcox needs to review the football decision making bible, which I believe says that under normal circumstances (and not the in first quarter) you don't go for two after scoring a touchdown. I believe he said hif didn't get the two point conversion the first time he was more likely to get it the next time Cal scored. However, the probability rules don;t result in a surefire turnarond that quickly. Thus, it was very likely Cal wouldn't get a two point on their next touchdown.

Another comment from me is that Bloesch needs more help handling the offensive line, consistently, year after year, results in one or two starting linemen being out of the lineup each game. As such, it is a positipn that seems to be a posiiton where a lot of fully trained backup beef needs to be available in case of injury.

Coaching up at least ten offensive lineman is a difficult and time consuming job, which leads to less time being available for Bloesch to handle all of his other offensive responsibilities as well as play calling responsibilities.

I think the solution to this problem is to hire another assistant coach to help Bloesch coach the offensive line and then, to stay within the rules as to how many assistant coaches a team can have, drop one of our two defenive back coaches we now have. I don't think most teams have more than one defenisve back coaches (which was created a couple of years ago when Cal hired a defensive back coach from UNLV who had only one year of defensive back coaching experience.


My short term solution is Bloesch goes back to coaching the OL, they need him full time, and Mike Pawlawski comes down from the booth to design the offensive game plan and call plays. He knows our playbook, he knows our players, he is an Xs and Os geek. Mike or Berk, the board's Air Raid expert.

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calumnus said:

Gobears49 said:

Wilcox needs to review the football decision making bible, which I believe says that under normal circumstances (and not the in first quarter) you don't go for two after scoring a touchdown. I believe he said hif didn't get the two point conversion the first time he was more likely to get it the next time Cal scored. However, the probability rules don;t result in a surefire turnarond that quickly. Thus, it was very likely Cal wouldn't get a two point on their next touchdown.

Another comment from me is that Bloesch needs more help handling the offensive line, consistently, year after year, results in one or two starting linemen being out of the lineup each game. As such, it is a positipn that seems to be a posiiton where a lot of fully trained backup beef needs to be available in case of injury.

Coaching up at least ten offensive lineman is a difficult and time consuming job, which leads to less time being available for Bloesch to handle all of his other offensive responsibilities as well as play calling responsibilities.

I think the solution to this problem is to hire another assistant coach to help Bloesch coach the offensive line and then, to stay within the rules as to how many assistant coaches a team can have, drop one of our two defenive back coaches we now have. I don't think most teams have more than one defenisve back coaches (which was created a couple of years ago when Cal hired a defensive back coach from UNLV who had only one year of defensive back coaching experience.
My short term solution is Bloesch goes back to coaching the OL, they need him full time, and Mike Pawlawski comes down from the booth to design the offensive game plan and call plays. He knows our playbook, he knows our players, he is an Xs and Os geek. Mike or Berk, the board's Air Raid expert.
We would need to bump out a staffer if we add anybody, so who would it be, this would only really happen if Wilcox gets tossed and Pawlawski becomes the interim, which would be a wild scenario
calumnus
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Strykur said:

calumnus said:

Gobears49 said:

Wilcox needs to review the football decision making bible, which I believe says that under normal circumstances (and not the in first quarter) you don't go for two after scoring a touchdown. I believe he said hif didn't get the two point conversion the first time he was more likely to get it the next time Cal scored. However, the probability rules don;t result in a surefire turnarond that quickly. Thus, it was very likely Cal wouldn't get a two point on their next touchdown.

Another comment from me is that Bloesch needs more help handling the offensive line, consistently, year after year, results in one or two starting linemen being out of the lineup each game. As such, it is a positipn that seems to be a posiiton where a lot of fully trained backup beef needs to be available in case of injury.

Coaching up at least ten offensive lineman is a difficult and time consuming job, which leads to less time being available for Bloesch to handle all of his other offensive responsibilities as well as play calling responsibilities.

I think the solution to this problem is to hire another assistant coach to help Bloesch coach the offensive line and then, to stay within the rules as to how many assistant coaches a team can have, drop one of our two defenive back coaches we now have. I don't think most teams have more than one defenisve back coaches (which was created a couple of years ago when Cal hired a defensive back coach from UNLV who had only one year of defensive back coaching experience.
My short term solution is Bloesch goes back to coaching the OL, they need him full time, and Mike Pawlawski comes down from the booth to design the offensive game plan and call plays. He knows our playbook, he knows our players, he is an Xs and Os geek. Mike or Berk, the board's Air Raid expert.
We would need to bump out a staffer if we add anybody, so who would it be, this would only really happen if Wilcox gets tossed and Pawlawski becomes the interim, which would be a wild scenario


Apparently there is no limit now
https://www.on3.com/news/ncaa-division-i-council-passes-unlimited-college-football-coaching-staff-size-assistants-analysts-2024-season/
southseasbear
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calumnus said:




My short term solution is Bloesch goes back to coaching the OL, they need him full time, and Mike Pawlawski comes down from the booth to design the offensive game plan and call plays. He knows our playbook, he knows our players, he is an Xs and Os geek. Mike or Berk, the board's Air Raid expert.


Chop from the top.
GoCal80
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Isn't part of the problem that Cal was admitted to the ACC with a very small share of the proceeds, so we lack the budget to hire top tier assistant coaches? Not that UCLA with its windfall is doing so great, so money doesn't guarantee success even if it is helpful.
Rushinbear
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Gobears49 said:

Wilcox needs to review the football decision making bible, which I believe says that under normal circumstances (and not the in first quarter) you don't go for two after scoring a touchdown. I believe he said hif didn't get the two point conversion the first time he was more likely to get it the next time Cal scored. However, the probability rules don;t result in a surefire turnarond that quickly. Thus, it was very likely Cal wouldn't get a two point on their next touchdown.

Another comment from me is that Bloesch needs more help handling the offensive line, consistently, year after year, results in one or two starting linemen being out of the lineup each game. As such, it is a positipn that seems to be a posiiton where a lot of fully trained backup beef needs to be available in case of injury.

Coaching up at least ten offensive lineman is a difficult and time consuming job, which leads to less time being available for Bloesch to handle all of his other offensive responsibilities as well as play calling responsibilities.

I think the solution to this problem is to hire another assistant coach to help Bloesch coach the offensive line and then, to stay within the rules as to how many assistant coaches a team can have, drop one of our two defenive back coaches we now have. I don't think most teams have more than one defenisve back coaches (which was created a couple of years ago when Cal hired a defensive back coach from UNLV who had only one year of defensive back coaching experience.
Several years ago, a few teams tried a different OL replacement approach. They had a 1 line and a 2 line. 1 line started and played til tired. Then, 2 line was brought in en masse. Same with injuries - a 1 line player was injured? Bring in entire 2 line. This applied to the whole game. Piecemeal adjustments were made in prep for the next game.

I don't remember who it was and it couldn't have been that great, since it doesn't seem to have been adopted across the board.
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Gee, when I read Fork in the Road and Mendoza I thought this thread was going to be about Mendoza's prospects at the end of the season.

Like, what are the odds he transfers?
If I were him, I'd consider it. Why?

1) his coach calls run plays for him, where he is going to get seriously hurt.

2) his OL can't protect him. He's taking too many sacks!

3) his coach doesn't believe in the passing game - witness 3 runs at end of game when we needed to keep going in terms of yardage and time on clock.


I am certainly no QB evaluator, but I REALLY like Mendoza as a prospect. I think lots of other coaches would love to snatch him off our roster. And I think he may very well consider.

That presents a fork in the road for him, personally.
I suppose I need to hear the quote. Does anyone have it?
Gobears49
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Great!!!!! Wasn't aware of this recent ruile change. As Starkey would say, "what a bonanza."

Perhaps readers should list the number of extra assistant coaches we should have and what is the priority in terms of what they should coach. My guess is that a vast majority of readers would agree with me that helping out clearly overburdened Bloesch in coaching our oft injured offensive line is our number 1 additional coaching priority.

On a related point, if Knowlton is unwilling to pony up and pay for additional assistant coaches, especially if most other teams do so fro, the loosening of the rules, he lets Wilcox know he needs to agree to have a percentage of his salary be reduced to help pay for additional staff.

On a separate matter, Wilcox needs to agree that he will not again go for two points on an extra point when it, if successful, would tie the game. Again, "the book" on what coaching decisions should be made says always kick the extra point if your team is down by one. If Wilcox doesn't agree to that, he should not be granted any additional assistant coaches, as allowed under the new rules.
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I agree that Mendoza is a really tough kid and a fairly accurate passer. His main deficiency is he is not very nimble in the pocket to elude the rush, though that is a fairly difficult skill to learn.
Rushinbear
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Gobears49 said:

I agree that Mendoza is a really tough kid and a fairly accurate passer. His main deficiency is he is not very nimble in the pocket to elude the rush, though that is a fairly difficult skill to learn.
No, I've seen him shuffle about in there several times. More the problem - wr's not adjusting and making themselves available quickly. You don't just finish running your route when you know the ol is giving in. Look back and seek an open spot, now.
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Rushinbear said:

Gobears49 said:

I agree that Mendoza is a really tough kid and a fairly accurate passer. His main deficiency is he is not very nimble in the pocket to elude the rush, though that is a fairly difficult skill to learn.
No, I've seen him shuffle about in there several times. More the problem - wr's not adjusting and making themselves available quickly. You don't just finish running your route when you know the ol is giving in. Look back and seek an open spot, now.
I agree. Furthermore, he has escaped the pocket plenty of times and picked up a few yards. He does need to work on figuring out when to slide at the end of such plays, however. Nobody wants to see the young man get seriously hurt.
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Gobears49 said:

Great!!!!! Wasn't aware of this recent ruile change. As Starkey would say, "what a bonanza."

Perhaps readers should list the number of extra assistant coaches we should have and what is the priority in terms of what they should coach. My guess is that a vast majority of readers would agree with me that helping out clearly overburdened Bloesch in coaching our oft injured offensive line is our number 1 additional coaching priority.

On a related point, if Knowlton is unwilling to pony up and pay for additional assistant coaches, especially if most other teams do so fro, the loosening of the rules, he lets Wilcox know he needs to agree to have a percentage of his salary be reduced to help pay for additional staff.

On a separate matter, Wilcox needs to agree that he will not again go for two points on an extra point when it, if successful, would tie the game. Again, "the book" on what coaching decisions should be made says always kick the extra point if your team is down by one. If Wilcox doesn't agree to that, he should not be granted any additional assistant coaches, as allowed under the new rules.


This IS a bonanza, provided said coaches can help block.
concordtom
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Gobears49 said:

I agree that Mendoza is a really tough kid and a fairly accurate passer. His main deficiency is he is not very nimble in the pocket to elude the rush, though that is a fairly difficult skill to learn.

Especially with the pocket collapsing all around!
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Gobears49 said:

Great!!!!! Wasn't aware of this recent ruile change. As Starkey would say, "what a bonanza."

Perhaps readers should list the number of extra assistant coaches we should have and what is the priority in terms of what they should coach. My guess is that a vast majority of readers would agree with me that helping out clearly overburdened Bloesch in coaching our oft injured offensive line is our number 1 additional coaching priority.

On a related point, if Knowlton is unwilling to pony up and pay for additional assistant coaches, especially if most other teams do so fro, the loosening of the rules, he lets Wilcox know he needs to agree to have a percentage of his salary be reduced to help pay for additional staff.

On a separate matter, Wilcox needs to agree that he will not again go for two points on an extra point when it, if successful, would tie the game. Again, "the book" on what coaching decisions should be made says always kick the extra point if your team is down by one. If Wilcox doesn't agree to that, he should not be granted any additional assistant coaches, as allowed under the new rules.

This is a great thread for people to weigh in and let everyone know how clueless they are! People like me!
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ducktilldeath said:


Players aren't paid to wear laundry. They are paid to wear laundry, and win.
6956bear
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Gobears49 said:

Great!!!!! Wasn't aware of this recent ruile change. As Starkey would say, "what a bonanza."

Perhaps readers should list the number of extra assistant coaches we should have and what is the priority in terms of what they should coach. My guess is that a vast majority of readers would agree with me that helping out clearly overburdened Bloesch in coaching our oft injured offensive line is our number 1 additional coaching priority.

On a related point, if Knowlton is unwilling to pony up and pay for additional assistant coaches, especially if most other teams do so fro, the loosening of the rules, he lets Wilcox know he needs to agree to have a percentage of his salary be reduced to help pay for additional staff.

On a separate matter, Wilcox needs to agree that he will not again go for two points on an extra point when it, if successful, would tie the game. Again, "the book" on what coaching decisions should be made says always kick the extra point if your team is down by one. If Wilcox doesn't agree to that, he should not be granted any additional assistant coaches, as allowed under the new rules.
When you hire a head coach his decisions are part of what you hired. If he consistently makes decisions that backfire or you do not agree with you replace the HC.

If Wilcox or any coach decides to hire additional staff they must payoff on the scoreboard, recruiting etc.
Gobears49
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If I ever had a chat with Wilcox. I'd 1) ask hm if he has ever read the football bible and what it says to do and 2) why Wilcox did not follow it and went for two on our first touchdown.
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Not sure how many times I have mentioned this now. There are ZERO limits on number of coaches. The NCAA abolished the limits starting this year. If a team wants they could hire a coach for every position on the field if they want. A team could have more coaches than players, just sayin.

There is 1 limit, but that has to do with recruitment. 11 coach/staff cap for recruiting, but no cap for on-field coaches.

If you don't believe me, feel free to look it up.
Rushinbear
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BarcaBear said:

Not sure how many times I have mentioned this now. There are ZERO limits on number of coaches. The NCAA abolished the limits starting this year. If a team wants they could hire a coach for every position on the field if they want. A team could have more coaches than players, just sayin.

There is 1 limit, but that has to do with recruitment. 11 coach/staff cap for recruiting, but no cap for on-field coaches.

If you don't believe me, feel free to look it up.
A coordinator has to assure that the position coaches talk to one another and coordinate and agree on group interfaces. Maybe we need one or two more coaches on each side, but too many cooks spoil the broth.
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