The cost of the Knowlton Wilcox clown show is that not only are we losing fans and our skill players are likely to transfer out in the offseason, but the few bright spots in our recruiting pipeline will sign elsewhere

doubtful, as usual ur posts are not only misinformed but also predictably negative with ur chronically filled depresso thoughts...the 9 total points that are between reality & 7-0 are NOT hurting cal's 2025 & 2026 recruiting so ur just making **** up to fit ur narrative which is really dumb as ****

shocky's advice: do NOT on the golden gate bridge alone, double down on ur term life insurance limits & try reading the monster thread for actual information

I hate to say it but there's a long way between now and February.
While I appreciate the fact that he is a recruit of ours I am worried about the fact that the programs that are offering him are currently being qb'd by seniors aka oregon and Georgia.
And while they do have the likes of jaden rashada and Dante Moore lurking down their depth charts they will both be having open qb competitions in the spring and fall while we won't.

We're now at the point where it's not worth getting bought in to how good we might be next season, based on which current players still have eligibility left and which recruits have "committed" to Cal.

OTOH, there's no sense in assuming we'll suck, either. Changes happen faster now; fortunes change faster.

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We're now at the point where it's not worth getting bought in to how good we might be next season, based on which current players still have eligibility left and which recruits have "committed" to Cal.

OTOH, there's no sense in assuming we'll suck, either. Changes happen faster now; fortunes change faster.

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We're now at the point where it's not worth getting bought in to how good we might be next season, based on which current players still have eligibility left and which recruits have "committed" to Cal.

OTOH, there's no sense in assuming we'll suck, either. Changes happen faster now; fortunes change faster.

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I think Cal has always shown it can attract good players...in almost, maybe, all sports. What we have trouble with is attracting/identitying/moving on from, etc. good coaches.

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doubtful, as usual ur posts are not only misinformed but also predictably negative with ur chronically filled depresso thoughts...the 9 total points that are between reality & 7-0 are NOT hurting cal's 2025 & 2026 recruiting so ur just making **** up to fit ur narrative is really dumb as ****

shocky's advice: do NOT on the golden gate bridge alone & try reading the monster thread for actual information

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The current record may not be impacting recruiting for 2025 or 2026 but the current recruiting ranking for Cal's 2025 class is 67th nationally and 16th (out of17) in the ACC. This is despite the recent upgraded rating for Sagapolutele to a 4 star rated player and borderline top 100 recruit. The 2026 class is TBD but at present they have 0 commits. Many programs have already gotten commits from this class. I like many of the prospects Cal has had come to visit from 2026 but to date no commits.

So it is hard to say that high school recruiting is going well. Cal is still trying with numerous players so of course the 2025 class could still rise up the rankings.

HS recruiting has been a weak area for Wilcox. They have had some pleasant surprises in recent classes like Mendoza, Uluave, Josiah Martin and Jaivian Thomas. But overall the bulk of Cal's better players the past couple of seasons have come via the transfer portal. The portal opens in December and will be interesting to see how the staff does this go round. Of course it is wholly unrealistic to expect no Cal players end up in the portal as outbound recruits. It happens every year. Not many impactful players but a lot of exiting players. Many without a Cal degree which as you point out is heartbreaking and likely a product of very unwise advice and self awareness.

I have no idea if Sagapolutele will flip or not. I know he will get lucrative offers from some major programs to do so however. But even holding on to him will not comprise a top class of recruits unless Cal gets numerous highly rated flips late in the cycle. It seems once again Cal will be relying on the portal as a major source of talent acquisition.

Cal does recruit from a different pool than many of their direct competitors. But the ACC is filled with programs that also recruit from this pool of players.Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Duke, Boston College, Virginia and of course Stanford all recruit academic oriented HS players. All have higher rated classes of players than does Cal.

Recruiting to Cal is tough. Finding students that can play and handle the academics is not easy. But if Cal is to climb the standings in the ACC HS recruiting needs to improve. By a lot TBH.

So while the current 4 losses by 9 total points may not be hurting Cals recruiting it seems a stretch to say recruiting overall is going well. The early signing period starts on December 4. That is just 6 weeks away.

I love the optimistic view you have of the current class. But it seems that folks that follow this for a living do not share your optimism. Even if JKS signs in December.

6956, the so called "experts" (basically internet guys who have never worked for a college or nfl organization) have not seen 95% of the players they rate in person & much more importantly do not know or even care wut the gpas are of the players...the cal recruiting team & shocky know the gpas & the 2025 cal class is particularly strong in terms of high upside high gpa prospects at key positions

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We're now at the point where it's not worth getting bought in to how good we might be next season, based on which current players still have eligibility left and which recruits have "committed" to Cal.

OTOH, there's no sense in assuming we'll suck, either. Changes happen faster now; fortunes change faster.

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I think Cal has always shown it can attract good players...in almost, maybe, all sports. What we have trouble with is attracting/identitying/moving on from, etc. good coaches.

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With a couple exceptions, like Jaylen Brown, we haven't had a good recruiting class since early Tedford. Cal has not shown it attracts good football or basketball recruits. Even the Jaylen Brown basketball class got fubar'd because a couple recruits didn't get in due to academics.

any discussion/evaluation of a cal class in any sport that does not transparently include the gpas of recruits signed & not signed is pure trash & absolutely worthless

berkeley is NOT oregon state, got it??

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any discussion/evaluation of a cal class in any sport that does not transparently include the gpas of recruits signed & not signed is pure trash & absolutely worthless

berkeley is NOT oregon state, got it??

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You're the biggest troll on this board, it's a pity that you haven't been banned yet. No one cares about GPAs of football players. I would rather have a team of 2.0 GPA students that can be 7-0 than a bunch of 4.0 GPA students that struggle to be bowl eligible.

All opinions you express are pure trash & absolutely worthless. Go back to creeping on underage girls in your megathread and stop polluting the rest of the board with your delusional drivel

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Shocky1 said:

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any discussion/evaluation of a cal class in any sport that does not transparently include the gpas of recruits signed & not signed is pure trash & absolutely worthless

berkeley is NOT oregon state, got it??

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You're the biggest troll on this board, it's a pity that you haven't been banned yet. No one cares about GPAs of football players. I would rather have a team of 2.0 GPA students that can be 7-0 than a bunch of 4.0 GPA students that struggle to be bowl eligible.

All opinions you express are pure trash & absolutely worthless. Go back to creeping on underage girls in your megathread and stop polluting the rest of the board with your delusional drivel

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This is trash. The university screens recruits to avoid having a team of 2.0 gpa students. You need to be a fan of a team that supports your goals, like Utah and Oregon State.

doubtful, ur lack of interest in gpas at a place like berkeley says a lot about u & ur priorities in life, good thing ur not a parent & filling them with all ur predictable negativity

if u tole me ur a shift manager at the flying beaver convenience store/truck stop in coos bay i would believe u...hey get back to work now, u can always insult me again after u punch out after ur shift (and quit pocketing the snickers bars in ur backpack!!), amigo

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82gradDLSdad said:

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We're now at the point where it's not worth getting bought in to how good we might be next season, based on which current players still have eligibility left and which recruits have "committed" to Cal.

OTOH, there's no sense in assuming we'll suck, either. Changes happen faster now; fortunes change faster.

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I think Cal has always shown it can attract good players...in almost, maybe, all sports. What we have trouble with is attracting/identitying/moving on from, etc. good coaches.

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With a couple exceptions, like Jaylen Brown, we haven't had a good recruiting class since early Tedford. Cal has not shown it attracts good football or basketball recruits. Even the Jaylen Brown basketball class got fubar'd because a couple recruits didn't get in due to academics.

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Im going back to the mid 70s. I know... different time. I still think, right coach, right AD we pull in players.

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any discussion/evaluation of a cal class in any sport that does not transparently include the gpas of recruits signed & not signed is pure trash & absolutely worthless

berkeley is NOT oregon state, got it??

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You're the biggest troll on this board, it's a pity that you haven't been banned yet. No one cares about GPAs of football players. I would rather have a team of 2.0 GPA students that can be 7-0 than a bunch of 4.0 GPA students that struggle to be bowl eligible.

All opinions you express are pure trash & absolutely worthless. Go back to creeping on underage girls in your megathread and stop polluting the rest of the board with your delusional drivel

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Signed,
DebbieDownerBear

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I hate to say it but there's a long way between now and February.
While I appreciate the fact that he is a recruit of ours I am worried about the fact that the programs that are offering him are currently being qb'd by seniors aka oregon and Georgia.
And while they do have the likes of jaden rashada and Dante Moore lurking down their depth charts they will both be having open qb competitions in the spring and fall while we won't.

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That is exactly why Cal is Cal - we settle for Nando as out unassailable starter for the next three years. He is Steve DeBerg - just good enough to get you beat. He has been a great big nothingburger in the clutch - we are 3-4, and haven't beat anything close to a good team - yet we have fans who think he is above reproach with respect to a quarterback competition. We should be going all in to keep our elite qb recruit - whatever it takes. Back up the NIL Brinks truck; Promise the kid that the job is his to lose.

It is absolutely infuriating to be a Cal fan because we settle for mediocrity time and time again. Cal has no identity, and no accountability and we are the dregs of the college football world because of it.

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any discussion/evaluation of a cal class in any sport that does not transparently include the gpas of recruits signed & not signed is pure trash & absolutely worthless

berkeley is NOT oregon state, got it??

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You're the biggest troll on this board, it's a pity that you haven't been banned yet. No one cares about GPAs of football players. I would rather have a team of 2.0 GPA students that can be 7-0 than a bunch of 4.0 GPA students that struggle to be bowl eligible.

All opinions you express are pure trash & absolutely worthless. Go back to creeping on underage girls in your megathread and stop polluting the rest of the board with your delusional drivel

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This is trash. The university screens recruits to avoid having a team of 2.0 gpa students. You need to be a fan of a team that supports your goals, like Utah and Oregon State.

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Right, I'm sure Cal is the only FBS school that cares about academics. Clearly schools that maintain academic standards aren't able to field quality athletes. That's totally why programs like Michigan, Texas, or Stanford have never had success in football. And why schools like Duke, UNC, UVA, or UCLA have never had success in basketball.

Everyone else can thread the needle between good students and good athletes. But when we struggle to attract talent, we find excuses like the only reason we aren't getting good recruits is because of our high standards. You guys are pathetic, you sound like the loser at a party standing in the corner pretending like the only reason girls don't want to talk to you is because they don't appreciate your superior intelligence.

DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Shocky1 said:

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any discussion/evaluation of a cal class in any sport that does not transparently include the gpas of recruits signed & not signed is pure trash & absolutely worthless

berkeley is NOT oregon state, got it??

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You're the biggest troll on this board, it's a pity that you haven't been banned yet. No one cares about GPAs of football players. I would rather have a team of 2.0 GPA students that can be 7-0 than a bunch of 4.0 GPA students that struggle to be bowl eligible.

All opinions you express are pure trash & absolutely worthless. Go back to creeping on underage girls in your megathread and stop polluting the rest of the board with your delusional drivel

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This is trash. The university screens recruits to avoid having a team of 2.0 gpa students. You need to be a fan of a team that supports your goals, like Utah and Oregon State.

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Right, I'm sure Cal is the only FBS school that cares about academics. Clearly schools that maintain academic standards aren't able to field quality athletes. That's totally why programs like Michigan, Texas, or Stanford have never had success in football. And why schools like Duke, UNC, UVA, or UCLA have never had success in basketball.

Everyone else can thread the needle between good students and good athletes. But when we struggle to attract talent, we find excuses like the only reason we aren't getting good recruits is because of our high standards. You guys are pathetic, you sound like the loser at a party standing in the corner pretending like the only reason girls don't want to talk to you is because they don't appreciate your superior intelligence.

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Not relevant to my response to your post. Are you backtracking on your original statement?

Shocky I love you man but do you really think the current commits will still stick if Wilcox is around in 2025 and we continue to crash out this season?

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I hate to say it but there's a long way between now and February.
While I appreciate the fact that he is a recruit of ours I am worried about the fact that the programs that are offering him are currently being qb'd by seniors aka oregon and Georgia.
And while they do have the likes of jaden rashada and Dante Moore lurking down their depth charts they will both be having open qb competitions in the spring and fall while we won't.

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That is exactly why Cal is Cal - we settle for Nando as out unassailable starter for the next three years. He is Steve DeBerg - just good enough to get you beat. He has been a great big nothingburger in the clutch - we are 3-4, and haven't beat anything close to a good team - yet we have fans who think he is above reproach with respect to a quarterback competition. We should be going all in to keep our elite qb recruit - whatever it takes. Back up the NIL Brinks truck; Promise the kid that the job is his to lose.

It is absolutely infuriating to be a Cal fan because we settle for mediocrity time and time again. Cal has no identity, and no accountability and we are the dregs of the college football world because of it.

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How are we settling when the coaches did not choose the no. 1 QB until just before our first game? He is clearly the best quarterback on the roster right now. And just think what he would be able to do with both decent O-line play and decent play calling in the 4th quarter.

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DoubtfulBear said:

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any discussion/evaluation of a cal class in any sport that does not transparently include the gpas of recruits signed & not signed is pure trash & absolutely worthless

berkeley is NOT oregon state, got it??

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You're the biggest troll on this board, it's a pity that you haven't been banned yet. No one cares about GPAs of football players. I would rather have a team of 2.0 GPA students that can be 7-0 than a bunch of 4.0 GPA students that struggle to be bowl eligible.

All opinions you express are pure trash & absolutely worthless. Go back to creeping on underage girls in your megathread and stop polluting the rest of the board with your delusional drivel

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This is trash. The university screens recruits to avoid having a team of 2.0 gpa students. You need to be a fan of a team that supports your goals, like Utah and Oregon State.

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Right, I'm sure Cal is the only FBS school that cares about academics. Clearly schools that maintain academic standards aren't able to field quality athletes. That's totally why programs like Michigan, Texas, or Stanford have never had success in football. And why schools like Duke, UNC, UVA, or UCLA have never had success in basketball.

Everyone else can thread the needle between good students and good athletes. But when we struggle to attract talent, we find excuses like the only reason we aren't getting good recruits is because of our high standards. You guys are pathetic, you sound like the loser at a party standing in the corner pretending like the only reason girls don't want to talk to you is because they don't appreciate your superior intelligence.

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Not relevant to my response to your post. Are you backtracking on your original statement?

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Clearly your brain stopped functioning after spending so long with your head up Wilcox's a##. I'm saying that I would trade high GPA students that suck at football for mediocre GPA students that are amazing at football. You think the only schools where there are mediocre GPA students that are good at football are the likes of Utah and OSU, which is complete bs and you know it.

DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Shocky1 said:

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any discussion/evaluation of a cal class in any sport that does not transparently include the gpas of recruits signed & not signed is pure trash & absolutely worthless

berkeley is NOT oregon state, got it??

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You're the biggest troll on this board, it's a pity that you haven't been banned yet. No one cares about GPAs of football players. I would rather have a team of 2.0 GPA students that can be 7-0 than a bunch of 4.0 GPA students that struggle to be bowl eligible.

All opinions you express are pure trash & absolutely worthless. Go back to creeping on underage girls in your megathread and stop polluting the rest of the board with your delusional drivel

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This is trash. The university screens recruits to avoid having a team of 2.0 gpa students. You need to be a fan of a team that supports your goals, like Utah and Oregon State.

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Right, I'm sure Cal is the only FBS school that cares about academics. Clearly schools that maintain academic standards aren't able to field quality athletes. That's totally why programs like Michigan, Texas, or Stanford have never had success in football. And why schools like Duke, UNC, UVA, or UCLA have never had success in basketball.

Everyone else can thread the needle between good students and good athletes. But when we struggle to attract talent, we find excuses like the only reason we aren't getting good recruits is because of our high standards. You guys are pathetic, you sound like the loser at a party standing in the corner pretending like the only reason girls don't want to talk to you is because they don't appreciate your superior intelligence.

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Not relevant to my response to your post. Are you backtracking on your original statement?

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Clearly your brain stopped functioning after spending so long with your head up Wilcox's a##. I'm saying that I would trade high GPA students that suck at football for mediocre GPA students that are amazing at football. You think the only schools where there are mediocre GPA students that are good at football are the likes of Utah and OSU, which is complete bs and you know it.

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Got it. Your point about 2.0 gpa students was stupid and complete silliness. You feel that we should compete better like the handful of schools that have high academic requirements do, specifically Michigan who won the Natty. I agree.

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6956, the so called "experts" (basically internet guys who have never worked for a college or nfl organization) have not seen 95% of the players they rate in person & much more importantly do not know or even care wut the gpas are of the players...the cal recruiting team & shocky know the gpas & the 2025 cal class is particularly strong in terms of high upside high gpa prospects at key positions

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Well the "experts" have a significant amount of evidence suggesting they know the abilities of these players. However they were viewed or evaluated. Year after year these "experts" rate the recruits and rank the programs classes. And the evidence strongly suggests that the programs that do well in these ratings win many more games than those that do not. Yet you want to hang your hat on the evaluations of a staff that has yet to win a conference game. And has failed to get to.500 even once in conference. if they win out in conference they will finally hit that number.

Cal needs to stop hiding behind the academics. If they cannot compete due to it then drop down. Stop it with asking for NIL. Stop charging ticket prices like the team is a winner and tickets are in high demand. But if you want to be in the P4 and compete for conference championships like they say they do then recruiting has to be better. It just does. And everyone knows this.

And when OhioSt , Georgia, Alabama and Texas start losing more often than they win I will start ignoring all those "experts" that sit in their basements churning out ratings that somehow seem to be quite accurate. Must be dumb luck.

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6956, the so called "experts" (basically internet guys who have never worked for a college or nfl organization) have not seen 95% of the players they rate in person & much more importantly do not know or even care wut the gpas are of the players...the cal recruiting team & shocky know the gpas & the 2025 cal class is particularly strong in terms of high upside high gpa prospects at key positions

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Well the "experts" have a significant amount of evidence suggesting they know the abilities of these players. However they were viewed or evaluated. Year after year these "experts" rate the recruits and rank the programs classes. And the evidence strongly suggests that the programs that do well in these ratings win many more games than those that do not. Yet you want to hang your hat on the evaluations of a staff that has yet to win a conference game. And has failed to get to.500 even once in conference. if they win out in conference they will finally hit that number.

Cal needs to stop hiding behind the academics. If they cannot compete due to it then drop down. Stop it with asking for NIL. Stop charging ticket prices like the team is a winner and tickets are in high demand. But if you want to be in the P4 and compete for conference championships like they say they do then recruiting has to be better. It just does. And everyone knows this.

And when OhioSt , Georgia, Alabama and Texas start losing more often than they win I will start ignoring all those "experts" that sit in their basements churning out ratings that somehow seem to be quite accurate. Must be dumb luck.

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We are 3-4. We are competing. We just aren't meeting the expectations of die hard fans, which is us. Students largely don't care, but will support the team if we were just a little better.

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DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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any discussion/evaluation of a cal class in any sport that does not transparently include the gpas of recruits signed & not signed is pure trash & absolutely worthless

berkeley is NOT oregon state, got it??

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You're the biggest troll on this board, it's a pity that you haven't been banned yet. No one cares about GPAs of football players. I would rather have a team of 2.0 GPA students that can be 7-0 than a bunch of 4.0 GPA students that struggle to be bowl eligible.

All opinions you express are pure trash & absolutely worthless. Go back to creeping on underage girls in your megathread and stop polluting the rest of the board with your delusional drivel

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This is trash. The university screens recruits to avoid having a team of 2.0 gpa students. You need to be a fan of a team that supports your goals, like Utah and Oregon State.

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Right, I'm sure Cal is the only FBS school that cares about academics. Clearly schools that maintain academic standards aren't able to field quality athletes. That's totally why programs like Michigan, Texas, or Stanford have never had success in football. And why schools like Duke, UNC, UVA, or UCLA have never had success in basketball.

Everyone else can thread the needle between good students and good athletes. But when we struggle to attract talent, we find excuses like the only reason we aren't getting good recruits is because of our high standards. You guys are pathetic, you sound like the loser at a party standing in the corner pretending like the only reason girls don't want to talk to you is because they don't appreciate your superior intelligence.

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Not relevant to my response to your post. Are you backtracking on your original statement?

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Clearly your brain stopped functioning after spending so long with your head up Wilcox's a##. I'm saying that I would trade high GPA students that suck at football for mediocre GPA students that are amazing at football. You think the only schools where there are mediocre GPA students that are good at football are the likes of Utah and OSU, which is complete bs and you know it.

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Got it. Your point about 2.0 gpa students was stupid and complete silliness. You feel that we should compete better like the handful of schools that have high academic requirements do, specifically Michigan who won the Natty. I agree.

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Sorry, sometimes I forget I'm talking to someone with a severe lack in mental facilities and takes 2.0 GPA in a literal sense. I'll be more careful about using sarcasm with such feeble minded members on this board

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DoubtfulBear said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Shocky1 said:

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any discussion/evaluation of a cal class in any sport that does not transparently include the gpas of recruits signed & not signed is pure trash & absolutely worthless

berkeley is NOT oregon state, got it??

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You're the biggest troll on this board, it's a pity that you haven't been banned yet. No one cares about GPAs of football players. I would rather have a team of 2.0 GPA students that can be 7-0 than a bunch of 4.0 GPA students that struggle to be bowl eligible.

All opinions you express are pure trash & absolutely worthless. Go back to creeping on underage girls in your megathread and stop polluting the rest of the board with your delusional drivel

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This is trash. The university screens recruits to avoid having a team of 2.0 gpa students. You need to be a fan of a team that supports your goals, like Utah and Oregon State.

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Right, I'm sure Cal is the only FBS school that cares about academics. Clearly schools that maintain academic standards aren't able to field quality athletes. That's totally why programs like Michigan, Texas, or Stanford have never had success in football. And why schools like Duke, UNC, UVA, or UCLA have never had success in basketball.

Everyone else can thread the needle between good students and good athletes. But when we struggle to attract talent, we find excuses like the only reason we aren't getting good recruits is because of our high standards. You guys are pathetic, you sound like the loser at a party standing in the corner pretending like the only reason girls don't want to talk to you is because they don't appreciate your superior intelligence.

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Not relevant to my response to your post. Are you backtracking on your original statement?

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Clearly your brain stopped functioning after spending so long with your head up Wilcox's a##. I'm saying that I would trade high GPA students that suck at football for mediocre GPA students that are amazing at football. You think the only schools where there are mediocre GPA students that are good at football are the likes of Utah and OSU, which is complete bs and you know it.

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Got it. Your point about 2.0 gpa students was stupid and complete silliness. You feel that we should compete better like the handful of schools that have high academic requirements do, specifically Michigan who won the Natty. I agree.

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Sorry, sometimes I forget I'm talking to someone with a severe lack in mental facilities and takes 2.0 GPA in a literal sense. I'll be more careful about using sarcasm with such feeble minded members on this board

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You weren't being sarcastic. Perhaps you were exaggerating, but you definitely weren't being sarcastic.

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6956, the so called "experts" (basically internet guys who have never worked for a college or nfl organization) have not seen 95% of the players they rate in person & much more importantly do not know or even care wut the gpas are of the players...the cal recruiting team & shocky know the gpas & the 2025 cal class is particularly strong in terms of high upside high gpa prospects at key positions

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Well the "experts" have a significant amount of evidence suggesting they know the abilities of these players. However they were viewed or evaluated. Year after year these "experts" rate the recruits and rank the programs classes. And the evidence strongly suggests that the programs that do well in these ratings win many more games than those that do not. Yet you want to hang your hat on the evaluations of a staff that has yet to win a conference game. And has failed to get to.500 even once in conference. if they win out in conference they will finally hit that number.

Cal needs to stop hiding behind the academics. If they cannot compete due to it then drop down. Stop it with asking for NIL. Stop charging ticket prices like the team is a winner and tickets are in high demand. But if you want to be in the P4 and compete for conference championships like they say they do then recruiting has to be better. It just does. And everyone knows this.

And when OhioSt , Georgia, Alabama and Texas start losing more often than they win I will start ignoring all those "experts" that sit in their basements churning out ratings that somehow seem to be quite accurate. Must be dumb luck.

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We are 3-4. We are competing. We just aren't meeting the expectations of die hard fans, which is us. Students largely don't care, but will support the team if we were just a little better.

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Cal is 0-4 in the ACC. They have provided FSU their only win. NC St Just got conference win #1 this past Saturday.

I suppose being 0-4 and alone in last place can be considered competing.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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We're now at the point where it's not worth getting bought in to how good we might be next season, based on which current players still have eligibility left and which recruits have "committed" to Cal.

OTOH, there's no sense in assuming we'll suck, either. Changes happen faster now; fortunes change faster.

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I think Cal has always shown it can attract good players...in almost, maybe, all sports. What we have trouble with is attracting/identitying/moving on from, etc. good coaches.

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With a couple exceptions, like Jaylen Brown, we haven't had a good recruiting class since early Tedford. Cal has not shown it attracts good football or basketball recruits. Even the Jaylen Brown basketball class got fubar'd because a couple recruits didn't get in due to academics.

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Im going back to the mid 70s. I know... different time. I still think, right coach, right AD we pull in players.

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100% we are Top 10 or Top 20 with good coaches.

Our problem is chancellors chosen for academics with no background in athletics hiring really bad ADs who in turn hire and retain too many really bad coaches.

Christ hiring an unqualified Knowlton and giving him a $1.3 million a year salary then extending him 8 years guaranteed after he already showed he was incompetent was the worst. It almost cost us our program and still might.

Lyons is the best chancellor for academics we could hope for, but he needs to correct the mistakes of his predecessor.

I hope to Akua we keep Sagapolutele.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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oski003 said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Big C said:

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We're now at the point where it's not worth getting bought in to how good we might be next season, based on which current players still have eligibility left and which recruits have "committed" to Cal.

OTOH, there's no sense in assuming we'll suck, either. Changes happen faster now; fortunes change faster.

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I think Cal has always shown it can attract good players...in almost, maybe, all sports. What we have trouble with is attracting/identitying/moving on from, etc. good coaches.

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With a couple exceptions, like Jaylen Brown, we haven't had a good recruiting class since early Tedford. Cal has not shown it attracts good football or basketball recruits. Even the Jaylen Brown basketball class got fubar'd because a couple recruits didn't get in due to academics.

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Im going back to the mid 70s. I know... different time. I still think, right coach, right AD we pull in players.

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100% we are Top 10 or Top 20 with good coaches.

Our problem is chancellors chosen for academics with no background in athletics hiring really bad ADs who in turn hire and retain too many really bad coaches.

Christ hiring an unqualified Knowlton and giving him a $1.3 million a year salary then extending him 8 years guaranteed after he already showed he was incompetent was the worst. It almost cost us our program and still might.

Lyons is the best chancellor for academics we could hope for, but he needs to correct the mistakes of his predecessor.

I hope to Akua we keep Sagapolutele.

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Hey, if Sagapolutele wants to take the money and run, more power to him. I'd rather have people at Cal who really want to be here. F' the mercenaries.

jy1988 said:

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calumnus said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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oski003 said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Big C said:

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We're now at the point where it's not worth getting bought in to how good we might be next season, based on which current players still have eligibility left and which recruits have "committed" to Cal.

OTOH, there's no sense in assuming we'll suck, either. Changes happen faster now; fortunes change faster.

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I think Cal has always shown it can attract good players...in almost, maybe, all sports. What we have trouble with is attracting/identitying/moving on from, etc. good coaches.

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With a couple exceptions, like Jaylen Brown, we haven't had a good recruiting class since early Tedford. Cal has not shown it attracts good football or basketball recruits. Even the Jaylen Brown basketball class got fubar'd because a couple recruits didn't get in due to academics.

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Im going back to the mid 70s. I know... different time. I still think, right coach, right AD we pull in players.

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100% we are Top 10 or Top 20 with good coaches.

Our problem is chancellors chosen for academics with no background in athletics hiring really bad ADs who in turn hire and retain too many really bad coaches.

Christ hiring an unqualified Knowlton and giving him a $1.3 million a year salary then extending him 8 years guaranteed after he already showed he was incompetent was the worst. It almost cost us our program and still might.

Lyons is the best chancellor for academics we could hope for, but he needs to correct the mistakes of his predecessor.

I hope to Akua we keep Sagapolutele.

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Hey, if Sagapolutele wants to take the money and run, more power to him. I'd rather have people at Cal who really want to be here. F' the mercenaries.

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Kirby has multiple national championships and Georgia is on one of the best runs in the history of the sport, Cal has Wilcox and...

THIS AIN'T ABOUT MONEY ****ING FOLKS

Strykur said:

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jy1988 said:

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calumnus said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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oski003 said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Big C said:

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We're now at the point where it's not worth getting bought in to how good we might be next season, based on which current players still have eligibility left and which recruits have "committed" to Cal.

OTOH, there's no sense in assuming we'll suck, either. Changes happen faster now; fortunes change faster.

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I think Cal has always shown it can attract good players...in almost, maybe, all sports. What we have trouble with is attracting/identitying/moving on from, etc. good coaches.

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With a couple exceptions, like Jaylen Brown, we haven't had a good recruiting class since early Tedford. Cal has not shown it attracts good football or basketball recruits. Even the Jaylen Brown basketball class got fubar'd because a couple recruits didn't get in due to academics.

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Im going back to the mid 70s. I know... different time. I still think, right coach, right AD we pull in players.

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100% we are Top 10 or Top 20 with good coaches.

Our problem is chancellors chosen for academics with no background in athletics hiring really bad ADs who in turn hire and retain too many really bad coaches.

Christ hiring an unqualified Knowlton and giving him a $1.3 million a year salary then extending him 8 years guaranteed after he already showed he was incompetent was the worst. It almost cost us our program and still might.

Lyons is the best chancellor for academics we could hope for, but he needs to correct the mistakes of his predecessor.

I hope to Akua we keep Sagapolutele.

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Hey, if Sagapolutele wants to take the money and run, more power to him. I'd rather have people at Cal who really want to be here. F' the mercenaries.

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Kirby has multiple national championships and Georgia is on one of the best runs in the history of the sport, Cal has Wilcox and...

THIS AIN'T ABOUT MONEY ****ING FOLKS

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The Georgia coaching staff makes a combined 25 million dollars per year. How does that compare to us?

oski003 said:

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Strykur said:

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jy1988 said:

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calumnus said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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oski003 said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Big C said:

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We're now at the point where it's not worth getting bought in to how good we might be next season, based on which current players still have eligibility left and which recruits have "committed" to Cal.

OTOH, there's no sense in assuming we'll suck, either. Changes happen faster now; fortunes change faster.

---

I think Cal has always shown it can attract good players...in almost, maybe, all sports. What we have trouble with is attracting/identitying/moving on from, etc. good coaches.

---

With a couple exceptions, like Jaylen Brown, we haven't had a good recruiting class since early Tedford. Cal has not shown it attracts good football or basketball recruits. Even the Jaylen Brown basketball class got fubar'd because a couple recruits didn't get in due to academics.

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Im going back to the mid 70s. I know... different time. I still think, right coach, right AD we pull in players.

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100% we are Top 10 or Top 20 with good coaches.

Our problem is chancellors chosen for academics with no background in athletics hiring really bad ADs who in turn hire and retain too many really bad coaches.

Christ hiring an unqualified Knowlton and giving him a $1.3 million a year salary then extending him 8 years guaranteed after he already showed he was incompetent was the worst. It almost cost us our program and still might.

Lyons is the best chancellor for academics we could hope for, but he needs to correct the mistakes of his predecessor.

I hope to Akua we keep Sagapolutele.

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Hey, if Sagapolutele wants to take the money and run, more power to him. I'd rather have people at Cal who really want to be here. F' the mercenaries.

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Kirby has multiple national championships and Georgia is on one of the best runs in the history of the sport, Cal has Wilcox and...

THIS AIN'T ABOUT MONEY ****ING FOLKS

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The Georgia coaching staff makes a combined 25 million dollars per year. How does that compare to us?

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That's ridiculous, but at least they're earning it. Our coaching staff isn't earning 1/4 of that.

Strykur said:

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Shocky I love you man but do you really think the current commits will still stick if Wilcox is around in 2025 and we continue to crash out this season?

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strykur, honestly don't think we're gonna "crash out this season," getting key offensive players back this week will be critical as will improved playcalling & a clutch kicking game

DoubtfulBear said:

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Shocky1 said:

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any discussion/evaluation of a cal class in any sport that does not transparently include the gpas of recruits signed & not signed is pure trash & absolutely worthless

berkeley is NOT oregon state, got it??

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You're the biggest troll on this board, it's a pity that you haven't been banned yet. No one cares about GPAs of football players. I would rather have a team of 2.0 GPA students that can be 7-0 than a bunch of 4.0 GPA students that struggle to be bowl eligible.

All opinions you express are pure trash & absolutely worthless. Go back to creeping on underage girls in your megathread and stop polluting the rest of the board with your delusional drivel

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Private schools can have standards that allow them to pass all of their students. That's not present at Cal.

Some public school, like UNC, engage in academic fraud by creating classes where students learn nothing and still pass. Cal tried this and got punished so it stopped.

Cal's student athletes have to actually attend class and compete with the rest of the stellar student body academically. I'm not saying this can't be done nor am I saying Cal's student athletes are incapable of achieving top grades, but it takes a lot of work. (This is one reason I really respect and admire all of Cal's student athletes.) However, this is considerably more difficult when the students have 2.0 GPAs in high school. Heck, many students who had 3.5 or 4.0 GPAs in high school struggle at Cal because their Cal classmates were 4.0+ students in high school.

It takes a special type of student to succeed at Cal and it takes an even more special type of student to do that and play a varsity sport. The pool for these students is considerably smaller than the ones in which many other schools look for recruits.

That said, we do compete with the likes of UCLA and Michigan for recruits. Like Cal, those are also top notch public schools. However, Cal is more academically challenging than UCLA* and I would not be surprised if it's more challenging than UM. Again, that means it takes a special kind of student athlete to want to choose to go to Cal and compete on the field and in the classroom.


*Based on what I saw of my friends and family members' courses when they attended UCLA.

Shocky1 said:

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Strykur said:

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Shocky I love you man but do you really think the current commits will still stick if Wilcox is around in 2025 and we continue to crash out this season?

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strykur, honestly don't think we're gonna "crash out this season," getting key offensive players back this week will be critical as will improved playcalling & a clutch kicking game

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This is almost as delusional as MAGA world.