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Strykur said:

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concernedparent said:

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Cal88 said:

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I really don't get UNC wanting to ditch the ACC, I mean would they really rather play Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin instead of Duke, WF and NC St.?!?

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It's all about $$$ now. Do you think USC would rather play (and lose to) Maryland, Minnesota rather than us and Stanford if the money were the same?

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North Carolina is also a campus not as desperate for money as Florida State is, they may not be as apt to move as the folks in Tallahassee.

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Neither was Oregon, Washington or USC though.

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Oregon is the ultimate climber program, they have no soul, hence their nickname starting with "Wh".

USC are egomaniacs who consider ND their main rival.

Wahsington are opportunists who want to keep up with Oregon.

UNC though has a pedigree and is a basketball school with a strong Tobacco Road identity, it doesn't mesh well with the Big10, and I don't get the feeling that they would forego all that for a few millions more.

Cal88 said:

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concernedparent said:

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Strykur said:

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concernedparent said:

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Cal88 said:

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I really don't get UNC wanting to ditch the ACC, I mean would they really rather play Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin instead of Duke, WF and NC St.?!?

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It's all about $$$ now. Do you think USC would rather play (and lose to) Maryland, Minnesota rather than us and Stanford if the money were the same?

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North Carolina is also a campus not as desperate for money as Florida State is, they may not be as apt to move as the folks in Tallahassee.

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Neither was Oregon, Washington or USC though.

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Oregon is the ultimate climber program, they have no soul, hence their nickname starting with "Wh".

USC are egomaniacs who consider ND their main rival.

Wahsington are opportunists who want to keep up with Oregon.

UNC though has a pedigree and is a basketball school with a strong Tobacco Road identity, it doesn't mesh well with the Big10, and I don't get the feeling that they would forego all that for a few millions more.

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50 million more per year in 2032. So that is a lot of money. But I do not think they take a smaller piece of the pie, like Oregon.

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concernedparent said:

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Strykur said:

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concernedparent said:

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Cal88 said:

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I really don't get UNC wanting to ditch the ACC, I mean would they really rather play Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin instead of Duke, WF and NC St.?!?

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It's all about $$$ now. Do you think USC would rather play (and lose to) Maryland, Minnesota rather than us and Stanford if the money were the same?

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North Carolina is also a campus not as desperate for money as Florida State is, they may not be as apt to move as the folks in Tallahassee.

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Neither was Oregon, Washington or USC though.

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Oregon is the ultimate climber program, they have no soul, hence their nickname starting with "Wh".

USC are egomaniacs who consider ND their main rival.

Wahsington are opportunists who want to keep up with Oregon.

UNC though has a pedigree and is a basketball school with a strong Tobacco Road identity, it doesn't mesh well with the Big10, and I don't get the feeling that they would forego all that for a few millions more.

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I think the Big would love them. Championship basketball, great at other sports, good academics, public school. Extends the conference south from Maryland. And remember this, people from the Midwest retire or have second homes everywhere warm- Arizona, Florida, Carolinas. There is already an audience there

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I really don't get UNC wanting to ditch the ACC, I mean would they really rather play Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin instead of Duke, WF and NC St.?!?

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It is about the TV revenues, and being sure to make the next round of consolidation

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Bowlesman80 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Ccajon2 said:

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Just MHO that Calford needs to look long and hard at jumping onto this opportunity. I'm sure we have an open invite. I'm of the opinion we will never be good enough to get into the BG. I may not have written this if we were 8-0 or 7-1. 10-2 seasons would give us a bargaining chip. We don't have that now, and I guess we really are tied to the furds permanently?

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No legal analysis as to how we get out of the ACC GOR. If Clemson and FSU can't buy their was out, how does financially strapped Cal?
No financial analysis of what happens to Cal if they go to the Pac 12? Are you going to pay for all those non-revenue sports deficits?
No analysis of what happens to Cal competitively? Did you find being in Oregon State's position on Saturday appealing? With the lack of admissions standards at the other Pac schools, what makes you think Cal and Furd can even compete in the new Pac State conference?
The only reason you have for taking a long look at the Pac State Conference is Cal sucks and Furd sucks, so we both belong in a weak conference that generates little money.

The alums I know who follow Cal sports are done with Cal if they go to the Pac State conference. The great irony is those academic elites and Cal and Furd also would be put off jointing the Big 12. They are really going to be put off being in a conference with the likes of Fresno State.

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Agreed.
A better sentimental move would be to lobby for OSU and Wazzu to join the ACC as expansion or as backfill for the loss of ClemFlorNorCarolina's exit.

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No. might as well keep the pie smaller. The only thing they bring is proximity. Personally, OSU is a fan base I could do without.

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I fully understand and agree with the implication that Beavs fans have become obnoxious Oregon Juniors. That being said, the benefits of reducing travel burdens with an ACC West Division would be considerable and ESPN might buy-in with a renegotiated payout- bigger pie, bigger filling. I love our team and am very proud of them, but the OSU team we beat Saturday was a shell of its former self.
And remember, my response was in contrast to joining the PAC12- again.

wifeisafurd said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Ccajon2 said:

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Just MHO that Calford needs to look long and hard at jumping onto this opportunity. I'm sure we have an open invite. I'm of the opinion we will never be good enough to get into the BG. I may not have written this if we were 8-0 or 7-1. 10-2 seasons would give us a bargaining chip. We don't have that now, and I guess we really are tied to the furds permanently?

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No legal analysis as to how we get out of the ACC GOR. If Clemson and FSU can't buy their was out, how does financially strapped Cal?
No financial analysis of what happens to Cal if they go to the Pac 12? Are you going to pay for all those non-revenue sports deficits?
No analysis of what happens to Cal competitively? Did you find being in Oregon State's position on Saturday appealing? With the lack of admissions standards at the other Pac schools, what makes you think Cal and Furd can even compete in the new Pac State conference?
The only reason you have for taking a long look at the Pac State Conference is Cal sucks and Furd sucks, so we both belong in a weak conference that generates little money.

The alums I know who follow Cal sports are done with Cal if they go to the Pac State conference. The great irony is those academic elites and Cal and Furd also would be put off jointing the Big 12. They are really going to be put off being in a conference with the likes of Fresno State.

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Agreed.
A better sentimental move would be to lobby for OSU and Wazzu to join the ACC as expansion or as backfill for the loss of ClemFlorNorCarolina's exit.

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I don't think it is Clemson. If the SEC is not an option, Clemson is not moving. Right now (and I am not at liberty to discuss the source), I can say that Clemson is pushing for a merit based revenue distribution rather than to leave, and that approach is getting a rather sympathetic viewing from other ACC members. No one is sure where FSU is going and their lousy football season has to have hurt their chances with other conferences not named the Big 12. North Carolina (with probably Virginia) would go to the B1G if the GOR is somehow knocked-out in court. In fact, FSU has asked a Florida court to rule that its notice of withdrawal to the league was effective on August 14, 2023. Clemson on the other hand, missed the withdrawal deadline to leave the ACC next year (2025), and has so far not requested to withdraw.


Sports media experts have argued Clemson and Florida State's cases against the ACC aren't very strong, and no one is going anywhere for some time. That doesn't mean it isn't impossible. Clemson and FSU could come up with the financial means to separate from the ACC, or perhaps all parties involved come to an amicable solution which means those two programs can seek a new conference. But the betting money around Clemson is that they can force an unequal revenues split that favors a wining football program like Clemson, especially where there is a double digit playoff. And they are just fine with being the kings of the ACC.

As an update, a North Carolina judge recently granted a temporary restraining order against North Carolina's board of trustees. That means the board can't go over things like finances or conference realignment in a closed session, so the world will know if North Carolina is contemplating a jump from the ACC.

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It would be great if going to a performance based ACC revenue split allows us out of our agreed upon lesser share sooner, because with good coaching I think we compete for ACC titles. Shoot, we could easily be 8-0 right now,

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wifeisafurd said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Ccajon2 said:

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Just MHO that Calford needs to look long and hard at jumping onto this opportunity. I'm sure we have an open invite. I'm of the opinion we will never be good enough to get into the BG. I may not have written this if we were 8-0 or 7-1. 10-2 seasons would give us a bargaining chip. We don't have that now, and I guess we really are tied to the furds permanently?

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No legal analysis as to how we get out of the ACC GOR. If Clemson and FSU can't buy their was out, how does financially strapped Cal?
No financial analysis of what happens to Cal if they go to the Pac 12? Are you going to pay for all those non-revenue sports deficits?
No analysis of what happens to Cal competitively? Did you find being in Oregon State's position on Saturday appealing? With the lack of admissions standards at the other Pac schools, what makes you think Cal and Furd can even compete in the new Pac State conference?
The only reason you have for taking a long look at the Pac State Conference is Cal sucks and Furd sucks, so we both belong in a weak conference that generates little money.

The alums I know who follow Cal sports are done with Cal if they go to the Pac State conference. The great irony is those academic elites and Cal and Furd also would be put off jointing the Big 12. They are really going to be put off being in a conference with the likes of Fresno State.

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Agreed.
A better sentimental move would be to lobby for OSU and Wazzu to join the ACC as expansion or as backfill for the loss of ClemFlorNorCarolina's exit.

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I don't think it is Clemson. If the SEC is not an option, Clemson is not moving. Right now (and I am not at liberty to discuss the source), I can say that Clemson is pushing for a merit based revenue distribution rather than to leave, and that approach is getting a rather sympathetic viewing from other ACC members. No one is sure where FSU is going and their lousy football season has to have hurt their chances with other conferences not named the Big 12. North Carolina (with probably Virginia) would go to the B1G if the GOR is somehow knocked-out in court. In fact, FSU has asked a Florida court to rule that its notice of withdrawal to the league was effective on August 14, 2023. Clemson on the other hand, missed the withdrawal deadline to leave the ACC next year (2025), and has so far not requested to withdraw.


Sports media experts have argued Clemson and Florida State's cases against the ACC aren't very strong, and no one is going anywhere for some time. That doesn't mean it isn't impossible. Clemson and FSU could come up with the financial means to separate from the ACC, or perhaps all parties involved come to an amicable solution which means those two programs can seek a new conference. But the betting money around Clemson is that they can force an unequal revenues split that favors a wining football program like Clemson, especially where there is a double digit playoff. And they are just fine with being the kings of the ACC.

As an update, a North Carolina judge recently granted a temporary restraining order against North Carolina's board of trustees. That means the board can't go over things like finances or conference realignment in a closed session, so the world will know if North Carolina is contemplating a jump from the ACC.

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It would be great if going to a performance based ACC revenue split allows us out of our agreed upon lesser share sooner, because with good coaching I think we compete for ACC titles. Shoot, we could easily be 8-0 right now,

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Good coaching! Now there's an idea...

Bowlesman80 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Ccajon2 said:

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Just MHO that Calford needs to look long and hard at jumping onto this opportunity. I'm sure we have an open invite. I'm of the opinion we will never be good enough to get into the BG. I may not have written this if we were 8-0 or 7-1. 10-2 seasons would give us a bargaining chip. We don't have that now, and I guess we really are tied to the furds permanently?

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No legal analysis as to how we get out of the ACC GOR. If Clemson and FSU can't buy their was out, how does financially strapped Cal?
No financial analysis of what happens to Cal if they go to the Pac 12? Are you going to pay for all those non-revenue sports deficits?
No analysis of what happens to Cal competitively? Did you find being in Oregon State's position on Saturday appealing? With the lack of admissions standards at the other Pac schools, what makes you think Cal and Furd can even compete in the new Pac State conference?
The only reason you have for taking a long look at the Pac State Conference is Cal sucks and Furd sucks, so we both belong in a weak conference that generates little money.

The alums I know who follow Cal sports are done with Cal if they go to the Pac State conference. The great irony is those academic elites and Cal and Furd also would be put off jointing the Big 12. They are really going to be put off being in a conference with the likes of Fresno State.

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Agreed.
A better sentimental move would be to lobby for OSU and Wazzu to join the ACC as expansion or as backfill for the loss of ClemFlorNorCarolina's exit.

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Though a more strategic move would be to try to pick off some teams from the B-12 to add to our SMU outpost. I think the 4 corner schools might easily jump if the money is comparable.

calumnus said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Ccajon2 said:

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Just MHO that Calford needs to look long and hard at jumping onto this opportunity. I'm sure we have an open invite. I'm of the opinion we will never be good enough to get into the BG. I may not have written this if we were 8-0 or 7-1. 10-2 seasons would give us a bargaining chip. We don't have that now, and I guess we really are tied to the furds permanently?

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No legal analysis as to how we get out of the ACC GOR. If Clemson and FSU can't buy their was out, how does financially strapped Cal?
No financial analysis of what happens to Cal if they go to the Pac 12? Are you going to pay for all those non-revenue sports deficits?
No analysis of what happens to Cal competitively? Did you find being in Oregon State's position on Saturday appealing? With the lack of admissions standards at the other Pac schools, what makes you think Cal and Furd can even compete in the new Pac State conference?
The only reason you have for taking a long look at the Pac State Conference is Cal sucks and Furd sucks, so we both belong in a weak conference that generates little money.

The alums I know who follow Cal sports are done with Cal if they go to the Pac State conference. The great irony is those academic elites and Cal and Furd also would be put off jointing the Big 12. They are really going to be put off being in a conference with the likes of Fresno State.

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Agreed.
A better sentimental move would be to lobby for OSU and Wazzu to join the ACC as expansion or as backfill for the loss of ClemFlorNorCarolina's exit.

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Though a more strategic move would be to try to pick off some teams from the B-12 to add to our SMU outpost. I think the 4 corner schools might easily jump if the money is comparable.

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How about finding a couple of teams to add to our west coast outpost which is even farther away.

Anarchistbear said:

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Cal88 said:

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concernedparent said:

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Strykur said:

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concernedparent said:

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Cal88 said:

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I really don't get UNC wanting to ditch the ACC, I mean would they really rather play Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin instead of Duke, WF and NC St.?!?

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It's all about $$$ now. Do you think USC would rather play (and lose to) Maryland, Minnesota rather than us and Stanford if the money were the same?

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North Carolina is also a campus not as desperate for money as Florida State is, they may not be as apt to move as the folks in Tallahassee.

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Neither was Oregon, Washington or USC though.

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Oregon is the ultimate climber program, they have no soul, hence their nickname starting with "Wh".

USC are egomaniacs who consider ND their main rival.

Wahsington are opportunists who want to keep up with Oregon.

UNC though has a pedigree and is a basketball school with a strong Tobacco Road identity, it doesn't mesh well with the Big10, and I don't get the feeling that they would forego all that for a few millions more.

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I think the Big would love them. Championship basketball, great at other sports, good academics, public school. Extends the conference south from Maryland. And remember this, people from the Midwest retire or have second homes everywhere warm- Arizona, Florida, Carolinas. There is already an audience there

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Maryland used to be in the ACC. Just saying, With a nod to Shocky, I don't think a "Tobacco Road identity" means anything more at this point that having a "West Coast sushi flavor."

southseasbear said:

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calumnus said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Ccajon2 said:

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Just MHO that Calford needs to look long and hard at jumping onto this opportunity. I'm sure we have an open invite. I'm of the opinion we will never be good enough to get into the BG. I may not have written this if we were 8-0 or 7-1. 10-2 seasons would give us a bargaining chip. We don't have that now, and I guess we really are tied to the furds permanently?

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No legal analysis as to how we get out of the ACC GOR. If Clemson and FSU can't buy their was out, how does financially strapped Cal?
No financial analysis of what happens to Cal if they go to the Pac 12? Are you going to pay for all those non-revenue sports deficits?
No analysis of what happens to Cal competitively? Did you find being in Oregon State's position on Saturday appealing? With the lack of admissions standards at the other Pac schools, what makes you think Cal and Furd can even compete in the new Pac State conference?
The only reason you have for taking a long look at the Pac State Conference is Cal sucks and Furd sucks, so we both belong in a weak conference that generates little money.

The alums I know who follow Cal sports are done with Cal if they go to the Pac State conference. The great irony is those academic elites and Cal and Furd also would be put off jointing the Big 12. They are really going to be put off being in a conference with the likes of Fresno State.

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Agreed.
A better sentimental move would be to lobby for OSU and Wazzu to join the ACC as expansion or as backfill for the loss of ClemFlorNorCarolina's exit.

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Though a more strategic move would be to try to pick off some teams from the B-12 to add to our SMU outpost. I think the 4 corner schools might easily jump if the money is comparable.

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How about finding a couple of teams to add to our west coast outpost which is even farther away.

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Suggestions? Which nearby West Coast teams?

I think by the time this happens, if it happens, OSU and WSU will be solidly G5 teams.

The reason trying to pick off P4 teams from the Big-12 is more strategic is: 1) the ACC and Big-12 are competing for #3, for TV contracts, for playoff teams 2) the Big-12 has teams in bigger markets than ISU and WSU (why they got left behind) 3) the Big-12 is currently the top basketball conference so adding Arizona, Kansas, Baylor or Houston to the ACC helps with prestige there 4) it would leave Cal and Stanford as ESPN's only ACC West Coast teams which has been great for getting us TV slots.