Want to see what Growls readers think, which could be interesting reading.

My amateur take, as I don't technically know what the pass interference rule states, is that there seemed to be a lot of bumping on the receiver before tjhe pass was thrown which seemed to much worse than normal and so the penalty, to me, seemed to me to be somewhat justified.

Maybe someone, responsing, could attach a video of the play to help out others. I'm looking forward to reading some interesting and helpful comments.

Go Bears!

Gobears49 said:

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Want to see what Growls readers think, which could be interesting reading.

My amateur take, as I don't technically know what the pass interference rule states, is that there seemed to be a lot of bumping on the receiver before tjhe pass was thrown which seemed to much worse than normal and so the penalty, to me, seemed to me to be somewhat justified.

Maybe someone, responsing, could attach a video of the play to help out others. I'm looking forward to reading some interesting and helpful comments.

Go Bears!

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The db has a right to his position on the field. He doesn't have to get out of the way of the wr. It looked like the wr tried to get him to budge off his position. He wasn't looking for the ball, either. Looked to me like offensive interference, if anything.

An unwritten rule of reffing seems to be that bad calls, made during the game, are part of it, but refs should be very reluctant to make a game turning call near or at the end, lest the opponent not have time to make up for it, or that the foul wasn't egregious.

Note that it wasn't pass interference, it was defensive holding.

I thought it was probably correct, though a lot of people expect refs to swallow their whistles on a critical play like that.

Here's a video of the key pass interference play against Utah.

This is the best video I've seen of the holding call. This is definitely MORE than a typical hands battle off the line and the Ute defender was going to get beat. This was shot by my cousin who was at the game. pic.twitter.com/azmNB3L2fk

— ΠΛSĦ (@nashDPT12) November 12, 2024

Gobears49 said:

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Here's a video of the key pass interference play against Utah.

This is the best video I've seen of the holding call. This is definitely MORE than a typical hands battle off the line and the Ute defender was going to get beat. This was shot by my cousin who was at the game. pic.twitter.com/azmNB3L2fk

— ΠΛSĦ (@nashDPT12) November 12, 2024

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Tugs on the sleeve, clearly disrupting the route. That's holding.

It's something that is rarely called. The refs were looking for a way to help BYU preserve its undefeated record, and they found a way.

That ought to sound all too familiar to Cal football fans.

That is an obvious hold. I despise the idea of "you can't call it on a big play." No, a penalty is a penalty.

As someone who already holds this view and is a 49ers fan, I was quite angered by the officiating (or lack thereof) in the Niners two most recent Super Bowls.

Discipline matters and penalties are penalties. It is wrong to reward the less disciplined teams with worse technique in big games and big situations.

Gobears49 said:

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Here's a video of the key pass interference play against Utah.

This is the best video I've seen of the holding call. This is definitely MORE than a typical hands battle off the line and the Ute defender was going to get beat. This was shot by my cousin who was at the game. pic.twitter.com/azmNB3L2fk

— ΠΛSĦ (@nashDPT12) November 12, 2024

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that's offensive pass interference, off the line. the wr was engaged and pushed the db with straightened arms. that's the criterion. everything after that is immaterial.

Rushinbear said:

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Gobears49 said:

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Here's a video of the key pass interference play against Utah.

This is the best video I've seen of the holding call. This is definitely MORE than a typical hands battle off the line and the Ute defender was going to get beat. This was shot by my cousin who was at the game. pic.twitter.com/azmNB3L2fk

— ΠΛSĦ (@nashDPT12) November 12, 2024

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that's offensive pass interference, off the line. the wr was engaged and pushed the db with straightened arms. that's the criterion. everything after that is immaterial.

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Isn't pushing legal within 5 yards of the los?

oski003 said:

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Rushinbear said:

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Gobears49 said:

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Here's a video of the key pass interference play against Utah.

This is the best video I've seen of the holding call. This is definitely MORE than a typical hands battle off the line and the Ute defender was going to get beat. This was shot by my cousin who was at the game. pic.twitter.com/azmNB3L2fk

— ΠΛSĦ (@nashDPT12) November 12, 2024

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that's offensive pass interference, off the line. the wr was engaged and pushed the db with straightened arms. that's the criterion. everything after that is immaterial.

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Isn't pushing legal within 5 yards of the los?

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I don't think so when the wr is starting his route. Maybe someone will have the answer.

I really don't care about BYU and Utah. And what may have cost them a game.

I care about Wilcox and how many games he's cost Cal.

Rushinbear said:

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Gobears49 said:

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Here's a video of the key pass interference play against Utah.

This is the best video I've seen of the holding call. This is definitely MORE than a typical hands battle off the line and the Ute defender was going to get beat. This was shot by my cousin who was at the game. pic.twitter.com/azmNB3L2fk

— ΠΛSĦ (@nashDPT12) November 12, 2024

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that's offensive pass interference, off the line. the wr was engaged and pushed the db with straightened arms. that's the criterion. everything after that is immaterial.

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There is no pass interference before the ball has been thrown.

sycasey said:

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Rushinbear said:

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Gobears49 said:

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Here's a video of the key pass interference play against Utah.

This is the best video I've seen of the holding call. This is definitely MORE than a typical hands battle off the line and the Ute defender was going to get beat. This was shot by my cousin who was at the game. pic.twitter.com/azmNB3L2fk

— ΠΛSĦ (@nashDPT12) November 12, 2024

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that's offensive pass interference, off the line. the wr was engaged and pushed the db with straightened arms. that's the criterion. everything after that is immaterial.

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There is no pass interference before the ball has been thrown.

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got it.

sycasey said:

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Gobears49 said:

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Here's a video of the key pass interference play against Utah.

This is the best video I've seen of the holding call. This is definitely MORE than a typical hands battle off the line and the Ute defender was going to get beat. This was shot by my cousin who was at the game. pic.twitter.com/azmNB3L2fk

— ΠΛSĦ (@nashDPT12) November 12, 2024

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Tugs on the sleeve, clearly disrupting the route. That's holding.

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Gotta agree. If they hadn't made the call I would not be upset either. That wasn't outrageous and it was at a critical time in the game that refs typically try not to make calls unless the penalties significantly impact the game.

oski003 said:

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Rushinbear said:

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Gobears49 said:

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Here's a video of the key pass interference play against Utah.

This is the best video I've seen of the holding call. This is definitely MORE than a typical hands battle off the line and the Ute defender was going to get beat. This was shot by my cousin who was at the game. pic.twitter.com/azmNB3L2fk

— ΠΛSĦ (@nashDPT12) November 12, 2024

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that's offensive pass interference, off the line. the wr was engaged and pushed the db with straightened arms. that's the criterion. everything after that is immaterial.

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Isn't pushing legal within 5 yards of the los?

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the grab and bump and the subsequent hold by the DB with the right hand reaching across the WRs front are beyond 5 yards of the LOS.

wifeisafurd said:

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oski003 said:

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Rushinbear said:

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Gobears49 said:

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Here's a video of the key pass interference play against Utah.

This is the best video I've seen of the holding call. This is definitely MORE than a typical hands battle off the line and the Ute defender was going to get beat. This was shot by my cousin who was at the game. pic.twitter.com/azmNB3L2fk

— ΠΛSĦ (@nashDPT12) November 12, 2024

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that's offensive pass interference, off the line. the wr was engaged and pushed the db with straightened arms. that's the criterion. everything after that is immaterial.

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Isn't pushing legal within 5 yards of the los?

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the grab and bump and the subsequent hold by the DB with the right hand reaching across the WRs front are beyond 5 yards of the LOS.

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Right, they were talking about the initial push by the WR, which was within 5 yards, is legal and for several reasons and is definitely not "offensive pass interference."

wifeisafurd said:

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oski003 said:

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Rushinbear said:

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Gobears49 said:

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Here's a video of the key pass interference play against Utah.

This is the best video I've seen of the holding call. This is definitely MORE than a typical hands battle off the line and the Ute defender was going to get beat. This was shot by my cousin who was at the game. pic.twitter.com/azmNB3L2fk

— ΠΛSĦ (@nashDPT12) November 12, 2024

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that's offensive pass interference, off the line. the wr was engaged and pushed the db with straightened arms. that's the criterion. everything after that is immaterial.

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Isn't pushing legal within 5 yards of the los?

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the grab and bump and the subsequent hold by the DB with the right hand reaching across the WRs front are beyond 5 yards of the LOS.

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Yeah, you can bump within 5 yards but you can't HOLD.

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-utes/2024/11/10/see-utahs-controversial-penalty-vs/

Perhaps to last two sentences of the above article would support Utah's claim -- Defensive players may ward off or legally block an eligible pass receiver until that player occupies the same yard line as the defender or until the opponent could not possibly block him. Continuous contact is illegal."