Where would Cal be without TB? 97 tackles, 5 sacks on the year.

Speaking of Aggies, my sources told me Coach Plough was much more than a TE coach last year for Cal. This came via TEs who played for him.

The Aggies are now 9-2 after a tough loss to #2 Montana State at home halted their 9-game win streak. Ags were down 22 points and dropped 20 in Q4 before missing a 2-point conversion with around 40 seconds on the clock. Final: 30 - 28. Still ranked # 4 / #5 in various polls.

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Where would Cal be without TB? 97 tackles, 5 sacks on the year.

Speaking of Aggies, my sources told me Coach Plough was much more than a TE coach last year for Cal. This came via TEs who played for him.

The Aggies are now 9-2 after a tough loss to #2 Montana State at home halted their 9-game win streak. Ags were down 22 points and dropped 20 in Q4 before missing a 2-point conversion with around 40 seconds on the clock. Final: 30 - 28. Still ranked # 4 / #5 in various polls.

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Put him a list of possible successors to Milcox. ("M" for "mediocre" is more deserving than "W" for "winner.")

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Where would Cal be without TB? 97 tackles, 5 sacks on the year.

Speaking of Aggies, my sources told me Coach Plough was much more than a TE coach last year for Cal. This came via TEs who played for him.

The Aggies are now 9-2 after a tough loss to #2 Montana State at home halted their 9-game win streak. Ags were down 22 points and dropped 20 in Q4 before missing a 2-point conversion with around 40 seconds on the clock. Final: 30 - 28. Still ranked # 4 / #5 in various polls.

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Put him a list of possible successors to Milcox. ("M" for "mediocre" is more deserving than "W" for "winner.")

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You can't have him, and Milcox will look for an extension after beating a below-average opponent at an obscure bowl game.

Couch Plough inherited weapons on offense. He'll have a challenge rebuilding next year, but I've seen growth. His early schedule wasn't tough, but now Sac and then the national playoffs start. Let's see how he does.

Cal's offensive game plan and strategies are a puzzle, especially given the QB and bevy of RBs.

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I agree, but I want them to have no cover. There are no excuses you can make for this roster going 5-7. Most likely, I'll be giving up my season tickets, just going to games when the weather is good and I don't have anything better to do, and not worry about the outcome. I'm tired of suffering.

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I did not renew few years ago but was thinking about reupping . Not if Wilcox is here

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I am gone until Wilcox is, after Saturday anyway

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Just stop with the Wilcox must be gone narrative. Be a realist. He is here through next season. There is no magic that will come up with the 20 million to buy him out. Could there be other coaching changes? Sure. But he isn't getting fired. He, I suppose could walk away under his own terms, but I don't see that happening.

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I agree, but I want them to have no cover. There are no excuses you can make for this roster going 5-7. Most likely, I'll be giving up my season tickets, just going to games when the weather is good and I don't have anything better to do, and not worry about the outcome. I'm tired of suffering.

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I did not renew few years ago but was thinking about reupping . Not if Wilcox is here

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I am gone until Wilcox is, after Saturday anyway

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Just stop with the Wilcox must be gone narrative. Be a realist. He is here through next season. There is no magic that will come up with the 20 million to buy him out. Could there be other coaching changes? Sure. But he isn't getting fired. He, I suppose could walk away under his own terms, but I don't see that happening.

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And so what, you expect me to keep giving money to an insane operation?

Some are probably hoping for a new OC and other tweaks.

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Some are probably hoping for a new OC and other tweaks.

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Oh please GFTO with that nonsense, we've seen enough tweaking over the last 8 years to know what has to be done

Consider the source.

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Very unlikely we will beat SMU to beating Stanford is the only way we can get to six wins.

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Stanford just beat a ranked Louisville team. Nothing is guaranteed with Wilcox but if he beats anyone, it is a home game against a team with a losing record that we are vastly more talented than.

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Pretty sure being below average at best is the Wilcox guarantee.

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I agree, but I want them to have no cover. There are no excuses you can make for this roster going 5-7. Most likely, I'll be giving up my season tickets, just going to games when the weather is good and I don't have anything better to do, and not worry about the outcome. I'm tired of suffering.

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I did not renew few years ago but was thinking about reupping . Not if Wilcox is here

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I am gone until Wilcox is, after Saturday anyway

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Just stop with the Wilcox must be gone narrative. Be a realist. He is here through next season. There is no magic that will come up with the 20 million to buy him out. Could there be other coaching changes? Sure. But he isn't getting fired. He, I suppose could walk away under his own terms, but I don't see that happening.

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Questions:

Isn't it more like $15 million? (3 years x $5 million) I know, what's a few million among friends?

Which leads to: If we can pay two years of buyout, why not three?

It's not a farfetched scenario that we lose the next two (though I am rooting big-time for us to retain the Axe). In that scenario, don't we pretty much have to let him go?

he’s gonna fix the game just like he did the 2020 democratic primaries against bernie.

— Stanford Band (@lsjumb) November 19, 2024

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I agree, but I want them to have no cover. There are no excuses you can make for this roster going 5-7. Most likely, I'll be giving up my season tickets, just going to games when the weather is good and I don't have anything better to do, and not worry about the outcome. I'm tired of suffering.

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I did not renew few years ago but was thinking about reupping . Not if Wilcox is here

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I am gone until Wilcox is, after Saturday anyway

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Just stop with the Wilcox must be gone narrative. Be a realist. He is here through next season. There is no magic that will come up with the 20 million to buy him out. Could there be other coaching changes? Sure. But he isn't getting fired. He, I suppose could walk away under his own terms, but I don't see that happening.

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You may be right, but that just means we have to be more determined in starting the Dump Milcox movement now, before our moronic AD gives him another extension.

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Some are probably hoping for a new OC and other tweaks.

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Oh please GFTO with that nonsense, we've seen enough tweaking over the last 8 years to know what has to be done

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Yes, chop from the top.

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nwbear84 said:

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Strykur said:

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I agree, but I want them to have no cover. There are no excuses you can make for this roster going 5-7. Most likely, I'll be giving up my season tickets, just going to games when the weather is good and I don't have anything better to do, and not worry about the outcome. I'm tired of suffering.

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I did not renew few years ago but was thinking about reupping . Not if Wilcox is here

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I am gone until Wilcox is, after Saturday anyway

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Just stop with the Wilcox must be gone narrative. Be a realist. He is here through next season. There is no magic that will come up with the 20 million to buy him out. Could there be other coaching changes? Sure. But he isn't getting fired. He, I suppose could walk away under his own terms, but I don't see that happening.

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Questions:

Isn't it more like $15 million? (3 years x $5 million) I know, what's a few million among friends?

Which leads to: If we can pay two years of buyout, why not three?

It's not a farfetched scenario that we lose the next two (though I am rooting big-time for us to retain the Axe). In that scenario, don't we pretty much have to let him go?

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The $15 million is already spent and is irrelevant.

The question is where does the money come from to pay his replacement, not him. This is a large part of why people are so attached to Ron Rivera as there is a chance that he would work below market rates. Alternatively we can take a big gamble on an up and coming guy and pray they work out. If the new guy replacing Wilcox is making $1 million per year then the cost to buy out Wilcox isn't $15 million, its $3 million.

The problem is who is making the decision about who to hire as the head coach. I have zero faith in Knowleton making a good choice, especially if he's asked to look for a new up and comer/gamble. He has to get replaced first, and the person replacing him has to have a vision of what they want as the head coach and the freedom to make that vision happen.

Unfortunately Knowleton is ridiculously overpaid on a long contract as well. There is hope that he could potentially be fired for cause, but that just adds monetary incentive to keep him around until you have enough evidence to do so.

Again, Rivera is the *only* choice that makes any sense until we get a new AD, but even that would straddle the AD with a fan favorite head coach rather than letting them make their choice.

Wilcox is a major problem, but his head is not the first one that needs to roll.

Hiring Ron Rivera as HC because he would work below market rate is not a reason to hire him. His record is mid. 3 winning seasons in 13. That's not someone I'm willing to give the keys to. Even if he's an alum.

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Hiring Ron Rivera as HC because he would work below market rate is not a reason to hire him. His record is mid. 3 winning seasons in 13. That's not someone I'm willing to give the keys to. Even if he's an alum.

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I'm not disagreeing. What I am saying is that he is the only realistic option other than Wilcox until Knowlton gets canned. He does have some positives as well. Whether or not they are enough is certainly up for debate, but its not all negative. He is known to be a gambler/take intelligent risks. He has NFL acument / street cred. He would drive alumni support both in terms of NIL donations and attendance.

All of that means nothing if he can't deliver wins though, and he could be a hard person to fire for a variety of reasons.

I wish things would go faster...but there is an order of operations here and the last thing we want to do is panic...that's what got us Wilcox in the first place.

Let's get our version of either Jonathon Smith or Jeff Fisch!. Really build up our mediocre program and then leave it flat for a program that pays more and wins and has higher status.. The NIL and transfer portal mentality is in coaching now. We can't affordTroy Taylor now even if he blows it up at Stanfurd. And how many years are you willing to "wait" for more than 6 or 7 wins?? By that time, the "good coach" may in fact leave or get sick from trying and fighting like Tedford did!

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Big C said:

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nwbear84 said:

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Strykur said:

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oskidunker said:

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I agree, but I want them to have no cover. There are no excuses you can make for this roster going 5-7. Most likely, I'll be giving up my season tickets, just going to games when the weather is good and I don't have anything better to do, and not worry about the outcome. I'm tired of suffering.

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I did not renew few years ago but was thinking about reupping . Not if Wilcox is here

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I am gone until Wilcox is, after Saturday anyway

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Just stop with the Wilcox must be gone narrative. Be a realist. He is here through next season. There is no magic that will come up with the 20 million to buy him out. Could there be other coaching changes? Sure. But he isn't getting fired. He, I suppose could walk away under his own terms, but I don't see that happening.

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Questions:

Isn't it more like $15 million? (3 years x $5 million) I know, what's a few million among friends?

Which leads to: If we can pay two years of buyout, why not three?

It's not a farfetched scenario that we lose the next two (though I am rooting big-time for us to retain the Axe). In that scenario, don't we pretty much have to let him go?

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The $15 million is already spent and is irrelevant.

The question is where does the money come from to pay his replacement, not him. This is a large part of why people are so attached to Ron Rivera as there is a chance that he would work below market rates. Alternatively we can take a big gamble on an up and coming guy and pray they work out. If the new guy replacing Wilcox is making $1 million per year then the cost to buy out Wilcox isn't $15 million, its $3 million.

The problem is who is making the decision about who to hire as the head coach. I have zero faith in Knowleton making a good choice, especially if he's asked to look for a new up and comer/gamble. He has to get replaced first, and the person replacing him has to have a vision of what they want as the head coach and the freedom to make that vision happen.

Unfortunately Knowleton is ridiculously overpaid on a long contract as well. There is hope that he could potentially be fired for cause, but that just adds monetary incentive to keep him around until you have enough evidence to do so.

Again, Rivera is the *only* choice that makes any sense until we get a new AD, but even that would straddle the AD with a fan favorite head coach rather than letting them make their choice.

Wilcox is a major problem, but his head is not the first one that needs to roll.

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More accurate to say the $15 million is "committed", not "spent", correct? And it's possible that a lesser buyout could be negotiated if...

+ we paid lump sum in cash
+ we promised to say great things about Wilcox, including letting him say he is stepping down of his own accord
+ appealed to his sense of doing the right thing (sounds crazy, but MorageBear has said that wouldn't surprise him

Negotiated down how much? Depends. 5-50%? Not gonna lie, anything approaching 50% is wishful thinking by me.

The reason it is relevant is that it goes down $5 million for each extra year we keep him (not worth it, IMO). Yes, I get the part about it actually costing us what we would pay his replacement.

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Hiring Ron Rivera as HC because he would work below market rate is not a reason to hire him. His record is mid. 3 winning seasons in 13. That's not someone I'm willing to give the keys to. Even if he's an alum.

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Rivera was HC at two "lower tier" NFL franchises. I believe he is generally highly regarded for the jobs he did at Carolina and DC. IMO, the bigger question marks for him would be:

- never coached in college; can he figure out how to succeed from Day One?
- his age

Personally, I think he would be great. His recruiting pitch? "I will prepare you for the League." I also think he would help us unlock a lot of NIL. For those who disagree on this, I'd love to have the chance to find out. We could place a bet or something.

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philly1121 said:

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Hiring Ron Rivera as HC because he would work below market rate is not a reason to hire him. His record is mid. 3 winning seasons in 13. That's not someone I'm willing to give the keys to. Even if he's an alum.

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Rivera was HC at two "lower tier" NFL franchises. I believe he is generally highly regarded for the jobs he did at Carolina and DC. IMO, the bigger question marks for him would be:

- never coached in college; can he figure out how to succeed from Day One?
- his age

Personally, I think he would be great. His recruiting pitch? "I will prepare you for the League." I also think he would help us unlock a lot of NIL. For those who disagree on this, I'd love to have the chance to find out. We could place a bet or something.

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Would prefer a young, hungry guy.

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Big C said:

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philly1121 said:

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Hiring Ron Rivera as HC because he would work below market rate is not a reason to hire him. His record is mid. 3 winning seasons in 13. That's not someone I'm willing to give the keys to. Even if he's an alum.

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Rivera was HC at two "lower tier" NFL franchises. I believe he is generally highly regarded for the jobs he did at Carolina and DC. IMO, the bigger question marks for him would be:

- never coached in college; can he figure out how to succeed from Day One?
- his age

Personally, I think he would be great. His recruiting pitch? "I will prepare you for the League." I also think he would help us unlock a lot of NIL. For those who disagree on this, I'd love to have the chance to find out. We could place a bet or something.

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Would prefer a young, hungry guy.

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Not opposed to that at all. In fact, it is probably the way to go. But that comes with a risk, too. Do we hire a top college coordinator? Does he need to have successful HC experience? Then, he also needs to "get" Cal, or we have another Sonny. Somebody that checks all the boxes, to the point where he seems likely to succeed, now you're talkin' bigger bucks.

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Hiring Ron Rivera as HC because he would work below market rate is not a reason to hire him. His record is mid. 3 winning seasons in 13. That's not someone I'm willing to give the keys to. Even if he's an alum.

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Rivera was HC at two "lower tier" NFL franchises. I believe he is generally highly regarded for the jobs he did at Carolina and DC. IMO, the bigger question marks for him would be:

- never coached in college; can he figure out how to succeed from Day One?
- his age

Personally, I think he would be great. His recruiting pitch? "I will prepare you for the League." I also think he would help us unlock a lot of NIL. For those who disagree on this, I'd love to have the chance to find out. We could place a bet or something.

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No, his recruiting pitch would be, "I have strong contacts on every team. I can get you a leg up in the draft and with the team(s) you want."

The question is, could he lead? I'm not sure he's shown that. Second question is his oc and dc hires. would college guys be willing to coach under a pro guy? would he allow change, risk, etc.?

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Hiring Ron Rivera as HC because he would work below market rate is not a reason to hire him. His record is mid. 3 winning seasons in 13. That's not someone I'm willing to give the keys to. Even if he's an alum.

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Rivera was HC at two "lower tier" NFL franchises. I believe he is generally highly regarded for the jobs he did at Carolina and DC. IMO, the bigger question marks for him would be:

- never coached in college; can he figure out how to succeed from Day One?
- his age

Personally, I think he would be great. His recruiting pitch? "I will prepare you for the League." I also think he would help us unlock a lot of NIL. For those who disagree on this, I'd love to have the chance to find out. We could place a bet or something.

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I mean, Carolina. Ok. Not a marquis team. But Washington? The NFC East is nothing but NFL legacy teams.

I think its more fair to say that he was in charge when there was bad ownership. Jerry Richardson wasn't very good. And Daniel Snyder was bad. But that's really not an excuse.

So, his recruiting pitch will be the same as every other college coach? Cuz this is what they are all saying.

Its a risk either way - Rivera or an up and coming offensive coordinator. Either way, we should only offer a 3 year deal and an option for a 4th based on hitting benchmarks. If its any longer a contract offered than that - then its wash, rinse, repeat.

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Big C said:

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philly1121 said:

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Hiring Ron Rivera as HC because he would work below market rate is not a reason to hire him. His record is mid. 3 winning seasons in 13. That's not someone I'm willing to give the keys to. Even if he's an alum.

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Rivera was HC at two "lower tier" NFL franchises. I believe he is generally highly regarded for the jobs he did at Carolina and DC. IMO, the bigger question marks for him would be:

- never coached in college; can he figure out how to succeed from Day One?
- his age

Personally, I think he would be great. His recruiting pitch? "I will prepare you for the League." I also think he would help us unlock a lot of NIL. For those who disagree on this, I'd love to have the chance to find out. We could place a bet or something.

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I mean, Carolina. Ok. Not a marquis team. But Washington? The NFC East is nothing but NFL legacy teams.

I think its more fair to say that he was in charge when there was bad ownership. Jerry Richardson wasn't very good. And Daniel Snyder was bad. But that's really not an excuse.

So, his recruiting pitch will be the same as every other college coach? Cuz this is what they are all saying.

Its a risk either way - Rivera or an up and coming offensive coordinator. Either way, we should only offer a 3 year deal and an option for a 4th based on hitting benchmarks. If its any longer a contract offered than that - then its wash, rinse, repeat.

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Sadly, I think you have to go 5. Any good candidate will want a chance to develop his own people. Coaching leftovers is never a fair chance, even if there are good ones in there. Especially true of ol's - ours are not top grade and it takes years to develop all but the high 4's and 5's.

The students and alumni always get fired up for our rivalry match up, the Big Game. Does anyone have any insights into the mindset of the today's players who bounce around from school to school through the transfer portal, taking advantage of the free market to find the best situation for the coming year, with the strong possibility of entering the portal again the following year? Is the Big Game to them any different from any other game?

I think that while Big Game used to mean more when the college experience meant more, if we can pull this alumni thing off with all of the greats, and make it an annual thing, the players will be pumped every year, whether they grew up watching Cal or just transferred here last year. Our legacy of greatness sells, and we should lean into it. This Saturday has the potential to be truly special, and memorable.

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Big C said:

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philly1121 said:

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Hiring Ron Rivera as HC because he would work below market rate is not a reason to hire him. His record is mid. 3 winning seasons in 13. That's not someone I'm willing to give the keys to. Even if he's an alum.

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Rivera was HC at two "lower tier" NFL franchises. I believe he is generally highly regarded for the jobs he did at Carolina and DC. IMO, the bigger question marks for him would be:

- never coached in college; can he figure out how to succeed from Day One?
- his age

Personally, I think he would be great. His recruiting pitch? "I will prepare you for the League." I also think he would help us unlock a lot of NIL. For those who disagree on this, I'd love to have the chance to find out. We could place a bet or something.

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Would prefer a young, hungry guy.

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Not opposed to that at all. In fact, it is probably the way to go. But that comes with a risk, too. Do we hire a top college coordinator? Does he need to have successful HC experience? Then, he also needs to "get" Cal, or we have another Sonny. Somebody that checks all the boxes, to the point where he seems likely to succeed, now you're talkin' bigger bucks.

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Young hungry guy is who we go after if we have a good AD, like Gladstone picking Tedford. Knowlton will just pick another Wilcox like Mike Williams did.

Rivera is the only guy that makes sense at this time. He is the bridge with great upside until we are clear of Wilcox and Knowlton's contracts.

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Big C said:

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philly1121 said:

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Hiring Ron Rivera as HC because he would work below market rate is not a reason to hire him. His record is mid. 3 winning seasons in 13. That's not someone I'm willing to give the keys to. Even if he's an alum.

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Rivera was HC at two "lower tier" NFL franchises. I believe he is generally highly regarded for the jobs he did at Carolina and DC. IMO, the bigger question marks for him would be:

- never coached in college; can he figure out how to succeed from Day One?
- his age

Personally, I think he would be great. His recruiting pitch? "I will prepare you for the League." I also think he would help us unlock a lot of NIL. For those who disagree on this, I'd love to have the chance to find out. We could place a bet or something.

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I mean, Carolina. Ok. Not a marquis team. But Washington? The NFC East is nothing but NFL legacy teams.

I think its more fair to say that he was in charge when there was bad ownership. Jerry Richardson wasn't very good. And Daniel Snyder was bad. But that's really not an excuse.

So, his recruiting pitch will be the same as every other college coach? Cuz this is what they are all saying.

Its a risk either way - Rivera or an up and coming offensive coordinator. Either way, we should only offer a 3 year deal and an option for a 4th based on hitting benchmarks. If its any longer a contract offered than that - then its wash, rinse, repeat.

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Sadly, I think you have to go 5. Any good candidate will want a chance to develop his own people. Coaching leftovers is never a fair chance, even if there are good ones in there. Especially true of ol's - ours are not top grade and it takes years to develop all but the high 4's and 5's.

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If we didn't have NIL, I would agree. But kids are coming and going pretty quickly. You're never going to get 3-4 years with a player anymore. So the chance to develop a player becomes less and less important.

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Hiring Ron Rivera as HC because he would work below market rate is not a reason to hire him. His record is mid. 3 winning seasons in 13. That's not someone I'm willing to give the keys to. Even if he's an alum.

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What was Pete Carrol's record in the NFL before USC hired him?

Let me help:

Jets 1994 6-10
Pats 1997 10-6
Pats 1998 9-7
Pats 1999 8-8
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Total 33-31

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nwbear84 said:

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Strykur said:

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oskidunker said:

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I agree, but I want them to have no cover. There are no excuses you can make for this roster going 5-7. Most likely, I'll be giving up my season tickets, just going to games when the weather is good and I don't have anything better to do, and not worry about the outcome. I'm tired of suffering.

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I did not renew few years ago but was thinking about reupping . Not if Wilcox is here

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I am gone until Wilcox is, after Saturday anyway

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Just stop with the Wilcox must be gone narrative. Be a realist. He is here through next season. There is no magic that will come up with the 20 million to buy him out. Could there be other coaching changes? Sure. But he isn't getting fired. He, I suppose could walk away under his own terms, but I don't see that happening.

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Questions:

Isn't it more like $15 million? (3 years x $5 million) I know, what's a few million among friends?

Which leads to: If we can pay two years of buyout, why not three?

It's not a farfetched scenario that we lose the next two (though I am rooting big-time for us to retain the Axe). In that scenario, don't we pretty much have to let him go?

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The problem is the money just isn't there. 20 mil for NIL and the rest of the AD running a deficit already, plus the University in general short on funds doesn't add up to paying off a coach early, plus paying for the new hire. I get that in the long run, a more winning program could pay off the losses now, but who is going to back that gamble?

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Big C said:

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Strykur said:

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oskidunker said:

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I agree, but I want them to have no cover. There are no excuses you can make for this roster going 5-7. Most likely, I'll be giving up my season tickets, just going to games when the weather is good and I don't have anything better to do, and not worry about the outcome. I'm tired of suffering.

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I did not renew few years ago but was thinking about reupping . Not if Wilcox is here

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I am gone until Wilcox is, after Saturday anyway

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Just stop with the Wilcox must be gone narrative. Be a realist. He is here through next season. There is no magic that will come up with the 20 million to buy him out. Could there be other coaching changes? Sure. But he isn't getting fired. He, I suppose could walk away under his own terms, but I don't see that happening.

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Questions:

Isn't it more like $15 million? (3 years x $5 million) I know, what's a few million among friends?

Which leads to: If we can pay two years of buyout, why not three?

It's not a farfetched scenario that we lose the next two (though I am rooting big-time for us to retain the Axe). In that scenario, don't we pretty much have to let him go?

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The problem is the money just isn't there.

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On the current trajectory, in 2030, that is certain

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Hiring Ron Rivera as HC because he would work below market rate is not a reason to hire him. His record is mid. 3 winning seasons in 13. That's not someone I'm willing to give the keys to. Even if he's an alum.

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What I am saying is that he is the only realistic option other than Wilcox until Knowlton gets canned.

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Repeating an unprovable thing as an absolute is dumb.

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MrGPAC said:

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philly1121 said:

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Hiring Ron Rivera as HC because he would work below market rate is not a reason to hire him. His record is mid. 3 winning seasons in 13. That's not someone I'm willing to give the keys to. Even if he's an alum.

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What I am saying is that he is the only realistic option other than Wilcox until Knowlton gets canned.

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Repeating an unprovable thing as an absolute is dumb.

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I should have prefaced that this is absolutely opinion based. I am definitely open to other suggestions if you have any.

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philly1121 said:

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Hiring Ron Rivera as HC because he would work below market rate is not a reason to hire him. His record is mid. 3 winning seasons in 13. That's not someone I'm willing to give the keys to. Even if he's an alum.

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What I am saying is that he is the only realistic option other than Wilcox until Knowlton gets canned.

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Repeating an unprovable thing as an absolute is dumb.

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I should have prefaced that this is absolutely opinion based. I am definitely open to other suggestions if you have any.

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Yeah, fire Knowlton and Wilcox no matter the circumstances, get donors together and whoever pays up has total say on what happens afterward

Coach Plough said something interesting after the Ags (9-1) recent last-second goal line loss.

They scored 20 points in Q4 vs the #2 nationally ranked MSU. They went for a 2-point conversion to tie it, and the QB threw a pick.

Plough said this was his fault. The QB checked through option 1 and 2 (both covered), and options 3 and 4 were 'poor'.
He took 100% of the blame for that play.

It was a class move, and I wondered, what would Wilcox have said?