Very unlikely, but I would love Stanford coach, and former Golden Bear QB gread and later a Cal assistant coach to succeed Wilcox as Cals head coach .

Taylor had a terrafic career as an assistant offensve coach at Cal and later at utah and later as the head coach at Sacramento State. He would be a dynamic head coach at Cal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)

No thanks

bearsandgiants said:

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Hell no.

Justin Wilcox will be Cal's HC in 2025...

He just had his audition........

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Very unlikely, but I would love Stanford coach, and former Golden Bear QB gread and later a Cal assistant coach to succeed Wilcox as Cals head coach .

Taylor had a terrafic career as an assistant offensve coach at Cal and later at utah and later as the head coach at Sacramento State. He would be a dynamic head coach at Cal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)

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They jury is still out. To me, he looks too much like JW.

Kind of confused why Taylor called a timeout after the sack on their final possession. That move erased any option of still punting on 4th down if the situation called for it. Also, he made the classic error that coaches do of holding his final timeout until AFTER the two minute timeout. Even if it's a matter of six seconds - it's still six seconds. Been watching that forever and I still don't understand why coaches do it.

Sorry, those two teams looked exactly the same to me. There are reasons for that. One big one is coaching. No thanks.

It would be seamless

82gradDLSdad said:

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Sorry, those two teams looked exactly the same to me. There are reasons for that. One big one is coaching. No thanks.

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And they will remain to look the same no matter who you may want as HC. Today JT and Harbaugh wouldn't make a difference at either school.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Sorry, those two teams looked exactly the same to me. There are reasons for that. One big one is coaching. No thanks.

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And they will remain to look the same no matter who you may want as HC. Today JT and Harbaugh wouldn't make a difference at either school.

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I disagree. Good coaching always makes a difference. Might not be the difference you want or can see but it does. If it doesn't why pay these guys more than a minimum?

I'm not saying I think Troy Taylor should replace Just Wilcox, but it's absolutely unfair to compare a coach in the second year of a rebuild with one in year eight of a rebuild.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Sorry, those two teams looked exactly the same to me. There are reasons for that. One big one is coaching. No thanks.

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And they will remain to look the same no matter who you may want as HC. Today JT and Harbaugh wouldn't make a difference at either school.

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Surely your argument is not that HCs have no impact on their teams? At a minimum, they are the ones who implement the coaching staffs to recruit and develop players. Or do you believe student athletes sign at schools and develop regardless of who the coaches are?

You don't think Cal has the talent edge over Furd? I thought talent and grit won out yesterday but the other side was more ready to play.

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You don't think Cal has the talent edge over Furd? I thought talent and grit won out yesterday but the other side was more ready to play.

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Honestly, I have a tough time evaluating talent. Overall the teams looked about equal. Wilcox's team should obviously be better after 8 years. But we are not.

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MilleniaBear said:

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You don't think Cal has the talent edge over Furd? I thought talent and grit won out yesterday but the other side was more ready to play.

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Honestly, I have a tough time evaluating talent. Overall the teams looked about equal. Wilcox's team should obviously be better after 8 years. But we are not.

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Aside from OL and Ayomanor, I think Cal had the edge in talent. Cal's defense across the board was better than the Furd's. Ott and Thomas are also easily better than whoever's in the backfield at the Farm. As passers, Nando and Daniels looked comparable, but I'd take Nando's heart and toughness over Daniels's elusiveness.

Troy Taylor was easily the better coach for 2.5 quarters. Cal struggled to do anything on offense and struggled to contain the Furd on defense (especially in the first quarter). The last one and a half quarters was less about coaching and more about heart. I think Cal (especially Nando) just wanted it more. His final TD pass to Brady was a thing of beauty. He stood there until the absolute last millisecond, taking the hit by the Furd defender, while delivering a beautiful pass that only Brady could catch.

That said, the game seemed to really change on a handful of plays, including Nando's 49 yard run, which gave Cal a much needed boost of confidence. The stops by Sidney in the 4th quarter and Nando's 98 yard drive really swung the momentum of the game back in Cal's direction (for good).

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MilleniaBear said:

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You don't think Cal has the talent edge over Furd? I thought talent and grit won out yesterday but the other side was more ready to play.

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Honestly, I have a tough time evaluating talent. Overall the teams looked about equal. Wilcox's team should obviously be better after 8 years. But we are not.

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Stanford was widely expected to be the bottom of the conference due to their restrictions on using the transfer portal while we were hyped up to be a dark horse. General sentiment is that we have far more talent than they did. And yet the fact that Stanford almost pulled off the upset with little outside of their star WR speaks volumes to the gap in coaching prowess

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82gradDLSdad said:

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MilleniaBear said:

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You don't think Cal has the talent edge over Furd? I thought talent and grit won out yesterday but the other side was more ready to play.

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Honestly, I have a tough time evaluating talent. Overall the teams looked about equal. Wilcox's team should obviously be better after 8 years. But we are not.

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Aside from OL and Ayomanor, I think Cal had the edge in talent. Cal's defense across the board was better than the Furd's. Ott and Thomas are also easily better than whoever's in the backfield at the Farm. As passers, Nando and Daniels looked comparable, but I'd take Nando's heart and toughness over Daniels's elusiveness.

Troy Taylor was easily the better coach for 2.5 quarters. Cal struggled to do anything on offense and struggled to contain the Furd on defense (especially in the first quarter). The last one and a half quarters was less about coaching and more about heart. I think Cal (especially Nando) just wanted it more. His final TD pass to Brady was a thing of beauty. He stood there until the absolute last millisecond, taking the hit by the Furd defender, while delivering a beautiful pass that only Brady could catch.

That said, the game seemed to really change on a handful of plays, including Nando's 49 yard run, which gave Cal a much needed boost of confidence. The stops by Sidney in the 4th quarter and Nando's 98 yard drive really swung the momentum of the game back in Cal's direction (for good).

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You could see our effort level pickup when the crowd got into it. Wilcox cannot consistently do anything other than keep a below even keel energy level. It was refreshing to see much energy we had in the last quarter.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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MilleniaBear said:

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You don't think Cal has the talent edge over Furd? I thought talent and grit won out yesterday but the other side was more ready to play.

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Honestly, I have a tough time evaluating talent. Overall the teams looked about equal. Wilcox's team should obviously be better after 8 years. But we are not.

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Aside from OL and Ayomanor, I think Cal had the edge in talent. Cal's defense across the board was better than the Furd's. Ott and Thomas are also easily better than whoever's in the backfield at the Farm. As passers, Nando and Daniels looked comparable, but I'd take Nando's heart and toughness over Daniels's elusiveness.

Troy Taylor was easily the better coach for 2.5 quarters. Cal struggled to do anything on offense and struggled to contain the Furd on defense (especially in the first quarter). The last one and a half quarters was less about coaching and more about heart. I think Cal (especially Nando) just wanted it more. His final TD pass to Brady was a thing of beauty. He stood there until the absolute last millisecond, taking the hit by the Furd defender, while delivering a beautiful pass that only Brady could catch.

That said, the game seemed to really change on a handful of plays, including Nando's 49 yard run, which gave Cal a much needed boost of confidence. The stops by Sidney in the 4th quarter and Nando's 98 yard drive really swung the momentum of the game back in Cal's direction (for good).

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You could see our effort level pickup when the crowd got into it. Wilcox cannot consistently do anything other than keep a below even keel energy level. It was refreshing to see much energy we had in the last quarter.

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Agreed! The crowd energy fired up the players and vice versa. Still, I really can't credit Nando enough. His 49 yard run and his 3 yard dive to keep the 98 yard drive going really invigorated the crowd at key moments. That helped fire up the rest of the team and gave them the extra shot in the arm they needed to win the game.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Sorry, those two teams looked exactly the same to me. There are reasons for that. One big one is coaching. No thanks.

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And they will remain to look the same no matter who you may want as HC. Today JT and Harbaugh wouldn't make a difference at either school.

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I would bet Indiana would disagree

After the game Troy Taylor pulled a ****** move by a ever-so-brief handshake and blow-past on Fernando, after the young QB sought him out. That could have been a meaningful exchange from one stellar Cal Bear QB to another. Instead, he looked like a tantruming old man. Too bad.

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I'm not saying I think Troy Taylor should replace Just Wilcox, but it's absolutely unfair to compare a coach in the second year of a rebuild with one in year eight of a rebuild.

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Wilcox took over a team that had 5 wins against FBS teams and after 8 years of "rebuilding" has 5 wins against FBS teams, but did exceed that amount once, 5 years ago.

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01Bear said:

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I'm not saying I think Troy Taylor should replace Just Wilcox, but it's absolutely unfair to compare a coach in the second year of a rebuild with one in year eight of a rebuild.

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Wilcox took over a team that had 5 wins against FBS teams and after 8 years of "rebuilding" has 5 wins against FBS teams, but did exceed that amount once, 5 years ago.

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The coach he replaced, who was fired by Cal, was all of college football's coach of the year a few years later.

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I'm not saying I think Troy Taylor should replace Just Wilcox, but it's absolutely unfair to compare a coach in the second year of a rebuild with one in year eight of a rebuild.

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Wilcox took over a team that had 5 wins against FBS teams and after 8 years of "rebuilding" has 5 wins against FBS teams, but did exceed that amount once, 5 years ago.

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The coach he replaced, who was fired by Cal, was all of college football's coach of the year a few years later.

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I was one of the few on this board who argued that while a bad fit that fans hated, Dykes was a good coach and that the players Kaufman brought in on defense would be good in a year or two. Apparently you now agree with me.

Justin Wilcox will never be College Football Coach of the Year. He is just not that smart and is not working on getting better. His mismanagement of the offense was worse than in his prior 7 years. If we fire him he is not getting hired by a school like SMU in the very same season as Dykes was.

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calumnus said:

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01Bear said:

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I'm not saying I think Troy Taylor should replace Just Wilcox, but it's absolutely unfair to compare a coach in the second year of a rebuild with one in year eight of a rebuild.

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Wilcox took over a team that had 5 wins against FBS teams and after 8 years of "rebuilding" has 5 wins against FBS teams, but did exceed that amount once, 5 years ago.

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The coach he replaced, who was fired by Cal, was all of college football's coach of the year a few years later.

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I was one of the few on this board who argued that while a bad fit that fans hated, Dykes was a good coach and that the players Kaufman brought in on defense would be good in a year or two. Apparently you now agree with me.

Justin Wilcox will never be College Football Coach of the Year. He is just not that smart and is not working on getting better. His mismanagement of the offense was worse than in his prior 7 years. If we fire him he is not getting hired by a school like SMU in the very same season as Dykes was.

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Did I disagree with you about Dykes before? Why do you invent things in your pursuit of us buying out Wilcox for $15 million? It is $15 million, right? Just keep it factual, and we are good.

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After the game Troy Taylor pulled a ****** move by a ever-so-brief handshake and blow-past on Fernando, after the young QB sought him out. That could have been a meaningful exchange from one stellar Cal Bear QB to another. Instead, he looked like a tantruming old man. Too bad.

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Honestly, it might be an overread.
Many Furd commentators have been implying Taylor is a double agent, doing Cal's bidding.
So, if he is trying to avoid the least appearance of impropriety or being overly congenial after a heart-breaking loss (we know this feeling), I can understand.
He's not being paid millions by Cal just now and I am sure he's on a hotseat.

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calumnus said:

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I'm not saying I think Troy Taylor should replace Just Wilcox, but it's absolutely unfair to compare a coach in the second year of a rebuild with one in year eight of a rebuild.

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Wilcox took over a team that had 5 wins against FBS teams and after 8 years of "rebuilding" has 5 wins against FBS teams, but did exceed that amount once, 5 years ago.

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The coach he replaced, who was fired by Cal, was all of college football's coach of the year a few years later.

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I was one of the few on this board who argued that while a bad fit that fans hated, Dykes was a good coach and that the players Kaufman brought in on defense would be good in a year or two. Apparently you now agree with me.

Justin Wilcox will never be College Football Coach of the Year. He is just not that smart and is not working on getting better. His mismanagement of the offense was worse than in his prior 7 years. If we fire him he is not getting hired by a school like SMU in the very same season as Dykes was.

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Wilcox will never be hired to be head coach of an FBS team after he leaves Cal. He has proven at Cal that he is not head coach material.

it's only year 2 but Taylor hasn't done a very impressive job. they don't look any better than last year or the year before. I wouldn't be particularly happy if we were to hire him at this point.

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it's only year 2 but Taylor hasn't done a very impressive job. they don't look any better than last year or the year before. I wouldn't be particularly happy if we were to hire him at this point.

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Tough to judge the way Furd has hamstrung him with no Portal.
That being said, this is a very young team.
It's growing and they'd be dumb to let him go.

Gobears49 said:

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Very unlikely, but I would love Stanford coach, and former Golden Bear QB gread and later a Cal assistant coach to succeed Wilcox as Cals head coach .

Taylor had a terrafic career as an assistant offensve coach at Cal and later at utah and later as the head coach at Sacramento State. He would be a dynamic head coach at Cal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)

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I would take TT over Wilcox in a heartbeat

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monol96 said:

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it's only year 2 but Taylor hasn't done a very impressive job. they don't look any better than last year or the year before. I wouldn't be particularly happy if we were to hire him at this point.

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Tough to judge the way Furd has hamstrung him with no Portal.
That being said, this is a very young team.
It's growing and they'd be dumb to let him go.

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This is a good point. Without being able to coach at a school that plays with roughly the same recruiting rules you don't know how good he is. I will say anyone that takes the Furd job without portal transfers must be naive or very confident in their coaching ability.

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it's only year 2 but Taylor hasn't done a very impressive job. they don't look any better than last year or the year before. I wouldn't be particularly happy if we were to hire him at this point.

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Tough to judge the way Furd has hamstrung him with no Portal.
That being said, this is a very young team.
It's growing and they'd be dumb to let him go.

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You have to look at the things that are in a coach's control and the strategies he takes and decisions he makes in that context. Wilcox has been Cal's worst in my lifetime, from his staff decisions and resource allocation to his in game decisions. He has been given more time than any other Cal coach to correct his mistakes but he just keeps making the same ones, or worse. We are having great success getting players in the Portal era, we were given a liferaft in a much easier ACC, and he has squandered that.

I'd want to better understand what went south with Shaw other than the Glove no longer working, because it is still not working. The Portal only works one way at Stanford and with the coaching change they lost most of their team. Taylor does seem to be making good decisions in a bad situation, rebuilding with HS recruits and then a lot of creativity in their offense. Their two ACC wins: Syracuse and Louisville show they can upset better teams, whereas In order for Wilcox to win he needs much better talent, and even then it is close and there is a good chance we lose. I honestly think Wilcox would be 0-8 in the ACC as Stanford's coach. On the other hand, I am confident Taylor would have this Cal team 11-0 and I am not even that high on him. I just think he is a smart and creative Cal guy. Even the Oregon guys that post here recognize how horrible Wilcox is.

I wonder if Taylor has an out clause in his Furd contract in case Cal offers him. Not that I think he would be a good choice - better than JW, but not the one, depending on other candidates. He seems just as taciturn as JW. Smarter maybe.

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You don't think Cal has the talent edge over Furd? I thought talent and grit won out yesterday but the other side was more ready to play.

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Honestly, I have a tough time evaluating talent. Overall the teams looked about equal. Wilcox's team should obviously be better after 8 years. But we are not.

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Aside from OL and Ayomanor, I think Cal had the edge in talent. Cal's defense across the board was better than the Furd's. Ott and Thomas are also easily better than whoever's in the backfield at the Farm. As passers, Nando and Daniels looked comparable, but I'd take Nando's heart and toughness over Daniels's elusiveness.

Troy Taylor was easily the better coach for 2.5 quarters. Cal struggled to do anything on offense and struggled to contain the Furd on defense (especially in the first quarter). The last one and a half quarters was less about coaching and more about heart. I think Cal (especially Nando) just wanted it more. His final TD pass to Brady was a thing of beauty. He stood there until the absolute last millisecond, taking the hit by the Furd defender, while delivering a beautiful pass that only Brady could catch.

That said, the game seemed to really change on a handful of plays, including Nando's 49 yard run, which gave Cal a much needed boost of confidence. The stops by Sidney in the 4th quarter and Nando's 98 yard drive really swung the momentum of the game back in Cal's direction (for good).

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I disagree that tha last 1.5 quarters were not about coaching. In fact IMO the Cal coaching made adjustments to shut down the Stanford offense after the first quarter.

The final Stanford TD in the third quarter was the result of a blatant (uncalled) pushing penalty
Daniels should have been sacked at the Cal 23 (or there have been a penalty on Stanford at the Cal 17)
After rewatching the game and Stanford's final TD I was shocked that the pushing penalty was not called.

In any event Stanford's inability to get into the Cal end zone after Cal's fumble at the 20 was evidence that the Cal D got stronger as the game progressed especially in the second half.

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01Bear said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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MilleniaBear said:

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You don't think Cal has the talent edge over Furd? I thought talent and grit won out yesterday but the other side was more ready to play.

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Honestly, I have a tough time evaluating talent. Overall the teams looked about equal. Wilcox's team should obviously be better after 8 years. But we are not.

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Aside from OL and Ayomanor, I think Cal had the edge in talent. Cal's defense across the board was better than the Furd's. Ott and Thomas are also easily better than whoever's in the backfield at the Farm. As passers, Nando and Daniels looked comparable, but I'd take Nando's heart and toughness over Daniels's elusiveness.

Troy Taylor was easily the better coach for 2.5 quarters. Cal struggled to do anything on offense and struggled to contain the Furd on defense (especially in the first quarter). The last one and a half quarters was less about coaching and more about heart. I think Cal (especially Nando) just wanted it more. His final TD pass to Brady was a thing of beauty. He stood there until the absolute last millisecond, taking the hit by the Furd defender, while delivering a beautiful pass that only Brady could catch.

That said, the game seemed to really change on a handful of plays, including Nando's 49 yard run, which gave Cal a much needed boost of confidence. The stops by Sidney in the 4th quarter and Nando's 98 yard drive really swung the momentum of the game back in Cal's direction (for good).

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I disagree that tha last 1.5 quarters were not about coaching. In fact IMO the Cal coaching made adjustments to shut down the Stanford offense after the first quarter.

The final Stanford TD in the third quarter was the result of a blatant (uncalled) pushing penalty
Daniels should have been sacked at the Cal 23 (or there have been a penalty on Stanford at the Cal 17)
After rewatching the game and Stanford's final TD I was shocked that the pushing penalty was not called.

In any event Stanford's inability to get into the Cal end zone after Cal's fumble at the 20 was evidence that the Cal D got stronger as the game progressed especially in the second half.

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Yes. And as we've all agreed we have a DC/LB coach as a head coach who has hired another DC/LB coach and another LB coach along with a full slew of other competent defensive coaches. They are a competent defensive staff. Whoopee!