The only way we survive in this modern era is firing Wilmoe and swallowing pride and hiring tosh.
The. Only. Way.

At this point id get over toshgate quick. Hell, Wilcox was part of toshgate so we really ought to be over it anyway

More likely Phil Knights NIL $ was the final straw.

"My favorite part was definitely being in the QB meetings, seeing (Will) Stein and Coach Lambo (Matt Lombardi), seeing what they do with their QBs," Sagapolutele told ScoopDuck after the official visit. "It was just something special to see. But a moment, I probably say was my favorite was at the end of the game they went into the locker room after the win. Coach (Dan) Lanning was giving a speech and just seeing everyone engaged, everyone fired up, everyone pumped up. That was really just a great moment for me to experience."

https://www.on3.com/teams/oregon-ducks/news/oregon-football-recruiting-2025-5-star-qbjaron-keawe-sagapolutele-flips-from-cal-to-oregon/

6956bear said:

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More likely Phil Knights NIL $ was the final straw.

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this.

If it was about program prominence, coaching, offensive lines, etc. he already would have decommitted to Oregon .

ducky23 said:

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It's time for him to finally come home. The whoever donors that don't like it, need to get over it.

Whatever money was supposed to go to sirmon and JKS plus add another 500k goes to him.

Hopefully the money and the knowledge that he'd be next in line will be enough.

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Hopefully a lot of the money saved will go to the OL and retaining Fernando.

CNHTH said:

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The only way we survive in this modern era is firing Wilmoe and swallowing pride and hiring tosh.
The. Only. Way.

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LOL At this point I'd almost be ok with it if meant you obsessed weirdos would finally STFU about him.

wifeisafurd said:

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6956bear said:

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More likely Phil Knights NIL $ was the final straw.

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this.

If it was about program prominence, coaching, offensive lines, etc. he already would have decommitted to Oregon .

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The more 'credible' the reports were that he would still come to Cal, the more money Knight would be willing to give him.

Hate to say it, but maybe it's all the talk about firing Wilcox.

southseasbear said:

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Hate to say it, but maybe it's all the talk about firing Wilcox.

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hah. maybe it was when he found out that we're NOT firing JW.

F*** Tosh

bencgilmore said:

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At this point id get over toshgate quick. Hell, Wilcox was part of toshgate so we really ought to be over it anyway

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LOL. Without the money provided by Uncle Phil (or by Alabama's donors), Tosh would be just another dime-a-dozen assistant coach trying out a sales pitch on high school kids.

Get the donor money first, and only then think about who is slick-talking the recruits.

BearSD said:

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bencgilmore said:

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At this point id get over toshgate quick. Hell, Wilcox was part of toshgate so we really ought to be over it anyway

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LOL. Without the money provided by Uncle Phil (or by Alabama's donors), Tosh would be just another dime-a-dozen assistant coach trying out a sales pitch on high school kids.

Get the donor money first, and only then think about who is slick-talking the recruits.

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Tosh was brining in top classes when we were offering kids zero money and other schools were paying kids under the table

ducky23 said:

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BearSD said:

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bencgilmore said:

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At this point id get over toshgate quick. Hell, Wilcox was part of toshgate so we really ought to be over it anyway

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LOL. Without the money provided by Uncle Phil (or by Alabama's donors), Tosh would be just another dime-a-dozen assistant coach trying out a sales pitch on high school kids.

Get the donor money first, and only then think about who is slick-talking the recruits.

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Tosh was brining in top classes when we were offering kids zero money and other schools were paying kids under the table

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tosh has coffee cups.

ducky23 said:

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BearSD said:

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bencgilmore said:

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At this point id get over toshgate quick. Hell, Wilcox was part of toshgate so we really ought to be over it anyway

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LOL. Without the money provided by Uncle Phil (or by Alabama's donors), Tosh would be just another dime-a-dozen assistant coach trying out a sales pitch on high school kids.

Get the donor money first, and only then think about who is slick-talking the recruits.

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Tosh was brining in top classes when we were offering kids zero money and other schools were paying kids under the table

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Only one recruiting class in the top 25, and that was 15 years ago, and he wasn't the only coach involved in recruiting.

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ducky23 said:

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BearSD said:

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bencgilmore said:

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At this point id get over toshgate quick. Hell, Wilcox was part of toshgate so we really ought to be over it anyway

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LOL. Without the money provided by Uncle Phil (or by Alabama's donors), Tosh would be just another dime-a-dozen assistant coach trying out a sales pitch on high school kids.

Get the donor money first, and only then think about who is slick-talking the recruits.

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Tosh was brining in top classes when we were offering kids zero money and other schools were paying kids under the table

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Only one recruiting class in the top 25, and that was 15 years ago, and he wasn't the only coach involved in recruiting.

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I mean sure…he also had the top recruiting class in the country until he …..um….

southseasbear said:

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Hate to say it, but maybe it's all the talk about firing Wilcox.

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The fans wanting something better than:

1 - 3
5 - 7
4 - 8
6 - 7
6 - 6

Are not the problem.

golden sloth said:

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southseasbear said:

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Hate to say it, but maybe it's all the talk about firing Wilcox.

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The fans wanting something better than:

1 - 3
5 - 7
4 - 8
6 - 7
6 - 6

Are not the problem.

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While Oregon lobbied hard to get into the B1G and first year in is shooting for a National Championship.

ducky23 said:

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It's time for him to finally come home. The whoever donors that don't like it, need to get over it.

Whatever money was supposed to go to sirmon and JKS plus add another 500k goes to him.

Hopefully the money and the knowledge that he'd be next in line will be enough.

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100% I know him personally and He is a force of nature. Incredible drive, motivating to his players, connected and will to win that is unsurpassed. Throw in Tosh's experience with past proven winner's, there is no question Cal would win and truly compete for conference titles. He made mistakes here on how He left, but He was also thrown under the bus with "injury gate" (was not his call yet was told to take the fall) and also on salary package promises that were met too late. Recruiting against Tosh, is a near impossible task - He is in nearly All major recruiting battles Oregon faces. And yes given that He is a Cal grad (De La Salle grad as well) former player and enjoys the Bay Area, for the right salary package AND alumni support, He would come back.

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wifeisafurd said:

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6956bear said:

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More likely Phil Knights NIL $ was the final straw.

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this.

If it was about program prominence, coaching, offensive lines, etc. he already would have decommitted to Oregon .

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The more 'credible' the reports were that he would still come to Cal, the more money Knight would be willing to give him.

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Yup, maybe he used us. Don't really know.

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F*** Tosh

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But not f*** Wilmoe who was the only one on Sark's staff who even knew tosh?
As I said before I can almost guarantee wilmoe's contract at udubb was tied to luring away tosh / some sort of recruiting milestone payout aka "I know a guy from my time at cal who is a master recruiter I'll see if the fuskies will buy him a houseboat"
Sorry but I've never understood those who blast tosh on one hand and then defend the ****tiest coach in our history who was instrumental in poaching tosh and just conned our hapless ad into one of the top 5 most ****ty contracts in the history of contracts.

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kal kommie said:

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F*** Tosh

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But not f*** Wilmoe who was the only one on Sark's staff who even knew tosh?
As I said before I can almost guarantee wilmoe's contract at udubb was tied to luring away tosh / some sort of recruiting milestone payout aka "I know a guy from my time at cal who is a master recruiter I'll see if the fuskies will buy him a houseboat"
Sorry but I've never understood those who blast tosh on one hand and then defend the ****tiest coach in our history who was instrumental in poaching tosh and just conned our hapless ad into one of the top 5 most ****ty contracts in the history of contracts.

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Why do you assume these are mutually exclusive? I've wanted Wilcox fired for years.

But it's ridiculous to see people even try to draw an equivalence between Tosh and Wilcox here. Tosh was Benedict Arnold. Wilcox was some British general who helped his superiors recruit a traitor to benefit their own side.

No Tosh under any circumstances. Just say no to traitors. Maybe that's a simpleton rule but I do think some things aren't complicated.

You omit the academic end of things. Tedford's recruits worked in the classroom. Tosh's did not. Those kids that Tosh recruited that failed academically were JT's undoing in the end.

kal kommie said:

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CNHTH said:

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kal kommie said:

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F*** Tosh

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But not f*** Wilmoe who was the only one on Sark's staff who even knew tosh?
As I said before I can almost guarantee wilmoe's contract at udubb was tied to luring away tosh / some sort of recruiting milestone payout aka "I know a guy from my time at cal who is a master recruiter I'll see if the fuskies will buy him a houseboat"
Sorry but I've never understood those who blast tosh on one hand and then defend the ****tiest coach in our history who was instrumental in poaching tosh and just conned our hapless ad into one of the top 5 most ****ty contracts in the history of contracts.

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Why do you assume these are mutually exclusive? I've wanted Wilcox fired for years.

But it's ridiculous to see people even try to draw an equivalence between Tosh and Wilcox here. Tosh was Benedict Arnold. Wilcox was some British general who helped his superiors recruit a traitor to benefit their own side.

No Tosh under any circumstances. Just say no to traitors. Maybe that's a simpleton rule but I do think some things aren't complicated.

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Also, Wilcox didn't take Cal's money and burn Cal's only permissible visit to a star recruit's home to tell him to sign with another school.

I love how people glaze over Wilcox's role under Sark in the Lupoi fiasco. Not to mention how much more glazing those same people need to intellectually navigate the premise that Tedford was keenly aware of the fake injury tactic but scaped Lupoi because Cal is run by stupid people.

Tedford didn't know?

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01Bear said:

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kal kommie said:

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CNHTH said:

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kal kommie said:

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F*** Tosh

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But not f*** Wilmoe who was the only one on Sark's staff who even knew tosh?
As I said before I can almost guarantee wilmoe's contract at udubb was tied to luring away tosh / some sort of recruiting milestone payout aka "I know a guy from my time at cal who is a master recruiter I'll see if the fuskies will buy him a houseboat"
Sorry but I've never understood those who blast tosh on one hand and then defend the ****tiest coach in our history who was instrumental in poaching tosh and just conned our hapless ad into one of the top 5 most ****ty contracts in the history of contracts.

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Why do you assume these are mutually exclusive? I've wanted Wilcox fired for years.

But it's ridiculous to see people even try to draw an equivalence between Tosh and Wilcox here. Tosh was Benedict Arnold. Wilcox was some British general who helped his superiors recruit a traitor to benefit their own side.

No Tosh under any circumstances. Just say no to traitors. Maybe that's a simpleton rule but I do think some things aren't complicated.

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Also, Wilcox didn't take Cal's money and burn Cal's only permissible visit to a star recruit's home to tell him to sign with another school.

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Wilcox took the UW DC job and hired Tosh as his DL coach the week (?) before LOI day without informing Tedford, who gave him his first coaching job, and had Tosh start recruiting right away, who else was Tosh going to recruit but the same guys he had been recruiting? Of course Wilcox knew what was happening, he isn't that clueless. The Thompson family credits Wilcox for flipping Shaq.

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100% - surprising that many people do not know the sequence of events, thanks for pointing this out. Much like laying blame to Tosh for a few academic failures at Cal (yes one class has several) but not acknowledging the many recruits who did well when at Cal and whom Tosh played the leading recruiting role to close on for commitment. Recruiting against Tosh is a losing battle, He is a force who has earned the respect of players. And it's a consistent theme that those players who were coached by Tosh, are extremely complimentary of his passion, coaching and motivation. Our current HC is an introvert in an extrovert job. Far more comfortable breaking down tape on the defensive side/having input, than recruiting, reaching out to key donors, motivating His players, selecting strong OC. Good man, knowledgable, but far better suited to be a DC.

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kal kommie said:

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CNHTH said:

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kal kommie said:

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F*** Tosh

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But not f*** Wilmoe who was the only one on Sark's staff who even knew tosh?
As I said before I can almost guarantee wilmoe's contract at udubb was tied to luring away tosh / some sort of recruiting milestone payout aka "I know a guy from my time at cal who is a master recruiter I'll see if the fuskies will buy him a houseboat"
Sorry but I've never understood those who blast tosh on one hand and then defend the ****tiest coach in our history who was instrumental in poaching tosh and just conned our hapless ad into one of the top 5 most ****ty contracts in the history of contracts.

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Why do you assume these are mutually exclusive? I've wanted Wilcox fired for years.

But it's ridiculous to see people even try to draw an equivalence between Tosh and Wilcox here. Tosh was Benedict Arnold. Wilcox was some British general who helped his superiors recruit a traitor to benefit their own side.

No Tosh under any circumstances. Just say no to traitors. Maybe that's a simpleton rule but I do think some things aren't complicated.

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Also, Wilcox didn't take Cal's money and burn Cal's only permissible visit to a star recruit's home to tell him to sign with another school.

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