a 400 page manual/bible of all of the demands he wants, including requirements for hires he wants to make, as well as a recruiting college football GM so he can focus on coaching

This is going to change the fortunes of the UNC brand and team.

Look, nobody is bigger than a program. but that level of preparation, thought. How do some programs get so lucky? I doubt Knolwton even have a 2 pager on his approach to run an athletic department. It's the difference between hiring savants who are obsessive about what they do, and hiring also-rans who just treat it as a paycheck

TedfordTheGreat said:

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a 400 page manual/bible of all of the demands he wants, including requirements for hires he wants to make, as well as a recruiting college football GM so he can focus on coaching

This is going to change the fortunes of the UNC brand and team.

Look, nobody is bigger than a program. but that level of preparation, thought. How do some programs get so lucky?

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The other big thing he wants is for his son to be named coach in waiting. His son was the DC for 6-6 UW this past season, his first.

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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a 400 page manual/bible of all of the demands he wants, including requirements for hires he wants to make, as well as a recruiting college football GM so he can focus on coaching

This is going to change the fortunes of the UNC brand and team.

Look, nobody is bigger than a program. but that level of preparation, thought. How do some programs get so lucky?

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The other big thing he wants is for his son to be named coach in waiting.

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good question for you. Will u take that if he offered that to Cal?

I will take Belichick for 3 years if it means suffering with his son (or maybe he's really good) for another 3

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oski003 said:

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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a 400 page manual/bible of all of the demands he wants, including requirements for hires he wants to make, as well as a recruiting college football GM so he can focus on coaching

This is going to change the fortunes of the UNC brand and team.

Look, nobody is bigger than a program. but that level of preparation, thought. How do some programs get so lucky?

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The other big thing he wants is for his son to be named coach in waiting.

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good question for you. Will u take that if he offered that to Cal?

I will take Belichick for 3 years if it means suffering with his son (or maybe he's really good) for another 3

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If Belichick wasn't so lousy without Tom Brady I would strongly consider it.

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oski003 said:

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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a 400 page manual/bible of all of the demands he wants, including requirements for hires he wants to make, as well as a recruiting college football GM so he can focus on coaching

This is going to change the fortunes of the UNC brand and team.

Look, nobody is bigger than a program. but that level of preparation, thought. How do some programs get so lucky?

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The other big thing he wants is for his son to be named coach in waiting.

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good question for you. Will u take that if he offered that to Cal?

I will take Belichick for 3 years if it means suffering with his son (or maybe he's really good) for another 3

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If Belichick wasn't so lousy without Tom Brady I would strongly consider it.

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This.

Look at his HC record before getting to the Patriots

Look at his record with Patriots before Brady took over for an injured Bledsoe

Look at his record after Brady.

I think his non-Brady record is on par or a little worse than Justin Wilcox's HC record

Then look at the record of his coaching tree (which I would assume includes his son)

Considering Brady won a Super Bowl his first season with the Bucs and took them to the playoffs all 3 seasons at Tampa, Belichick spells genius T-O-M B-R-A-D-Y

Agreed. No thanks.

The Pats' dynasty was based on defense. 22 ppg allowed in 9 super bowls.

He is one of the greatest defensive coaches of all time

Whether he pans out or not, UNC is swinging for the fences. We keep looking for scraps to pick up based on connections of loser coaches.

We need completely new blood.

Well they needed someone younger than 73 year old Mack Brown, and they found that with 72 year old Belicheck. I assume BB knows he needs some young coaches who can recruit and a succession plan he can discuss with recruits. But mixed results with Mack, I guess we will see with BB.

Let us not pretend Bill Belichick can't recruit. He clearly has the NIL budget.

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Well they needed someone younger than 73 year old Mack Brown, and that found that with 72 year old Belicheck. II assume BB knows he needs some young coaches who can recruit and a succession plan he can discuss with recruits.

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Reminds me of "Walsh 2" at Stanford which was a bust. College coaching is not a retirement activity, if anything HC in college is more work than in the NFL because you are the GM too, a larger roster to manage and keep eligible, plus recruiting… Thoigh I guess with the new rules all those positions could be filled, so fewer games.

We will see how it goes.

I doubt this ends well for UNC for a bunch of reasons, but let's not act like Belichick is not one of the best defensive coaches ever AND there is something meaningful to swinging big…something that "we" can't or won't do. I would trade Wilcox for whatever Belichick's son's name is RIGHT NOW (and be stuck with him for 3 years) if it meant Bill was the DC and Cal got some headlines for being bold.

It's an interesting move for a number of reasons
College coaching used to be easier because recruiting the best high school talent guaranteed a large amount of success. Now you are dealing with a team of one year free agents. BB's strength is he can build a successful team out of players execution and over performing. But now that can lead to them leaving every year

The recruiting thing will be handled by others with BB being closer. I read that Deion doesn't send any time on the recruiting trail; same with BB- bring the mountain to
Mahatma

With his wet toast personality, I can't see him connecting with these "It's all about me" youngsters.

Ok, there's lots of reasons that Belichek would be a bad hire:

-he's too old

-he wants control over everything which is what hurt him in NE at the end

- he routinely dates undergrad aged women

- his demands are just about taking over the program and setting his son up for the future

-etc.

But anyone saying that he "couldn't win without Brady" is not understanding what it takes for a team to be successful. Just look at Shanahan's record without Elway, Walsh without Montana, Payton without Brees, Reid without Mahomes, Noll without Bradshaw… The fact is that in the NFL most teams don't succeed long term without a franchise QB and most coaches don't last long enough to get two of them in a shortlived industry.

To win you need an OL, just look at Mahomes in the Super Bowl against Tampa when two of his OL were out and he looked pedestrian at best. You need a good offensive system, just look at Rodgers who looked washed pre-LaFleur and then won the next two MVPs. You need offensive weapons, look at Brady's last year in ME vs the next year in Tampa ( usually this is on the FO but that was Bellicheck's shortcomings as GM). You need a defense, look at the Bengals this year. You need special teams, Chargers for most of the Herbert era (at one point they had the best offense and defense in the league and still missed the playoffs). You need ownership that doesn't nickel and dime and lose players. And you need a competent FO who can provide all these things while also drafting well enough to restock talent.

A **LOT** more goes into it than "Brady won without Bill so it was all Brady and Bill's not good". I don't like the guy but Bellicheck is the greatest big game planner in the history of football, especially defensively. They shut down the Greatest Show on Turf, they dismantled MacVey's offense, they won 3 AFCCGs/Super Bowls with Brady throwing more INTs than TDs. Brady is a no-doubt all time player but the Bellicheck erasure is just absurd. The fact that he dragged a supremely undertalented team (which was his own fault as he was in charge of personnel) to the playoffs and division title with rookie McCorkle Jones of all people at QB is a triumph in, and of, itself

TedfordTheGreat said:

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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a 400 page manual/bible of all of the demands he wants, including requirements for hires he wants to make, as well as a recruiting college football GM so he can focus on coaching

This is going to change the fortunes of the UNC brand and team.

Look, nobody is bigger than a program. but that level of preparation, thought. How do some programs get so lucky?

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The other big thing he wants is for his son to be named coach in waiting.

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good question for you. Will u take that if he offered that to Cal?

I will take Belichick for 3 years if it means suffering with his son (or maybe he's really good) for another 3

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Let's be honest, Cal would take Belichicks son now. He'd be a huge upgrade over what we have.

Belichick is coming to UNC. Meanwhile sour grapes here are debating whether Belichick was just a stand-in coach that benefited from his star QB LOL

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Whether he pans out or not, UNC is swinging for the fences. We keep looking for scraps to pick up based on connections of loser coaches.

We need completely new blood.

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exactly. Let's swing for the fences. Deion, BB, get our brand out there! We have a calgorithm earlier this year and then Wilcox of course actively took the wind out of our sails. So we need that next big thing. I rather swing for the fences than be so mediocre, we already know what next year looks like. We will finish 5-7, 6-6, or 7-5 if we are so lucky

3-year, $30 million contract.

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3-year, $30 million contract.

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we play in different leagues

except that we don't, we are in the same conference. baffling

This will boost season tickets and NIL money big time

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This will boost season tickets and NIL money big time

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Imagine firing Wilcox and hiring Rivera to face off against Belichick, that would be awesome except Berkeley is being run by the inmates

Plus Belichick and UNC are coming here next year

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Plus Belichik and UNC are coming here next year

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Yeah and with a tepid home schedule that would have generated some excitement

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Plus Belichick and UNC are coming here next year

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Chalk that game up as a loss.

https://www.sfgate.com/collegesports/article/bill-belichick-north-carolina-coach-old-19975754.php

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Belichick was just hired as head coach at Cal's longtime ACC rival, North Carolina. Everything about this move reeks of mutual desperation. UNC has never been a legit football program. That's the top line here. This is not a seismic move. This will not alter the landscape of college ball forever. This is a mediocre program hiring a now-mediocre famous guy. Stanford and Bill Walsh gave this idea a try a few decades ago, and it failed miserably. The result will be no different this time. I don't need to lay out my case much more than that. But I'd like to make fun of everyone involved here, so let me get into the details.

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Congratulations to UNC for going with a younger coach from Mack Brown's 73 (and $5 mil salary) to Bob Belichick's 72 for only $ 5 mil more per year! I'm sure that'll help with recruitment and connecting to today's high schoolers.

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With his wet toast personality, I can't see him connecting with these "It's all about me" youngsters.

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He doesn't have to. Based on what I heard on Sportscenter last night, Belichek is going to run UNC like an NFL developmental program. Forget college. Forget bs studying. He is going to rent players who specifically want to go to the NFL. So we're looking at a 1-2 year stint tops at UNC before that player goes to the NFL.

And if he has NIL money (which he will), then he will probably turn the program around in 2 years or less. I think he's also going to have a "GM" to run football ops so he can focus on the only thing he likes to do: coach.

He also has:
$10 million "assistant coach salary pool"
$1 million for strength staff
$5.3 million for support staff, including GM
$13 million as "revenue sharing" https://t.co/soVuZsv71n

— Steve Berkowitz (@ByBerkowitz) December 12, 2024

At first UNC made no sense but when you think about it- mediocre league with easy schedule- no reason he can't win this conference next year, if players come

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With his wet toast personality, I can't see him connecting with these "It's all about me" youngsters.

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He doesn't have to. Based on what I heard on Sportscenter last night, Belichek is going to run UNC like an NFL developmental program. Forget college. Forget bs studying. He is going to rent players who specifically want to go to the NFL. So we're looking at a 1-2 year stint tops at UNC before that player goes to the NFL.

And if he has NIL money (which he will), then he will probably turn the program around in 2 years or less. I think he's also going to have a "GM" to run football ops so he can focus on the only thing he likes to do: coach.

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That sounds smart in the new era. It differs from Walsh II at Stanford which Walsh tried to use as semiretirement and coaching training for his former Niner players like Tom Holmoe. He got some good players but still had to contend with Stanford admissions. And without Walsh putting in the time and energy it just didn't work.

What Belichick is doing at UNC sounds more like Kentucky basketball, being a pro development team. And for those that say he is "no good without Tom Brady" he can get top QBs that want to be the "next Tom Brady." Not sure it will work, but it is a plan designed for the modern era.

Big time roll of the dice. I am not convinced.

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At first UNC made no sense but when you think about it- mediocre league with easy schedule- no reason he can't win this conference next year, if players come

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This looks tough.especially that storied Harsin offense.

What do y’all think? 👀 pic.twitter.com/cloPm7N3Kw

— CBS Sports College Football 🏈 (@CBSSportsCFB) December 12, 2024

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Anarchistbear said:

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At first UNC made no sense but when you think about it- mediocre league with easy schedule- no reason he can't win this conference next year, if players come

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This looks tough.especially that storied Harsin offense.

What do y’all think? 👀 pic.twitter.com/cloPm7N3Kw

— CBS Sports College Football 🏈 (@CBSSportsCFB) December 12, 2024

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