Alberto Mendoza speaks

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bearsandgiants said:

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It is a dumb strategy for a coach to be promising a starting job as a recruiting lure. Okay, maybe Bloesch is dumb and this is why he's out, who knows?

One possibility is that a coach says one thing and a recruit hears another. That happens.

Correct me if i am wrong: At no time was Chandler Rogers ever the starter (except SMU), listed as the starter, or said to be the presumed starter. Through the spring, summer and early fall camp, it was said to be two guys vying to be #1. So what, was Rogers the "secret starter"?
I'm not claiming to know what happened. I'm claiming that several people who have historically had solid information about the team and hold themselves out as having connections said Rogers was promised the QB1 spot by Bloesch. It also appears Fernando's brother chimed in on it - and he's probably closer than any of us are to the situation.

None of us knows what happened, although lots of people on this thread seem to believe they do because they attended a communications workshop or something. "One possibility is that a coach says one thing and a recruit hears another." Another possibility is Bloesch told Rogers he would be the starting QB - just like several people have reported. And if that is true, it's a pretty **** thing to do to Mendoza and Rogers.
Who are these people? Because I've never heard or seen this reported (though I could have missed the reports) and it seems completely at odds with how recruiting works and how things actually played out. I'm sure Rogers was told he'd be able to compete for the job - just like Harris was.

And the people on this website who do in fact have insider status are reporting that they have no reason to think such a promise was made.

All any player at any position should ever expect is the chance to compete for playing time or the starter's role. And even as the returning starter, at any position, you should expect that you will have to prove you deserve to continue to start in camp, in practice or in games. Sure, if you are the incumbent, you should get the benefit of a draw.

I am not a big fan of Bloesch but I doubt he said anything much different. And that is what we saw. They were even in Fall camp, so Mendoza got the start, played well and kept playing well. If anything, they went out of their way to protect Mendoza by mostly using Rogers as a designated runner the few times he came in. The coaches were pretty clearly all in with Mendoza once the season started, but it is very possible it was not communicated well by Bloesch and Wilcox.
Agreed. And Mendoza's prior season - which was impressive given his pedigree and inexperience - didn't exactly cement him as a sure fire starter. He took a huge leap this last year - credit to him. But he still has to earn his position every day.


Why doesn't Wilcox?
Because, unfortunately, Cal is incompetent and Wilcox has a brutal contract. If I had a magic wand, he wouldn't or Cal would have the $$ to fire him. Eventually he will be fired . . . and "recruited over" in a sense.

I'm trying to understand your point. If it is just a criticism of Cal's AD and contracting practices, I agree.

But it has nothing to do with whether Mendoza should expect Cal to bring in other talented QBs. Mendoza is a player, not a coach. Even professional athletes - with contracts - know that is the reality. And, to my original point, Mendoza had hardly cemented his hold on the job after last year.

There was no reason for him to think Cal shouldn't bring in other qbs and give them shot. And, of course, the irony is that Mendoza himself rose from 3rd string to starter because he . . . won a competition with other qbs who probably thought they should be starters. Imagine that.
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Nofado said:

Ooms was a beast when he played

Yes just don't tell anyone he was one of several good Dykes recruits on OL that allowed us to have Top 10 offenses in 2015 and 2016 and that Wilcox inherited in 2017.
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Pittstop said:

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Yikes. Toxxxxxxxxxic environment much?



Just another thing for the naive to validate in their mind that the sky is falling.

Wilcox and Bloesch helped turn a 2* into a 4*. They did him well.
Everyone should find someone who has as much faith in them as you do in this coaching staff.

They can't evaluate QB talent for ***** They only gave Mendoza a chance after all their coveted transfers flamed out. Then this year they continually tried to make Rogers work when it was obvious he couldn't hack it.


Come on, man. 'Both sides' are being extreme. Bone headed to "promise" 'anything' by Bloesch, if true. But Cal obviously did a good job "evaluating" 2-star QB Fernando, and were his only P4 offer - he was committed to Yale, for Chrissakes, with no other viable options at the time. Cal "evaluated" him after a recommendation from one of Musgrave's friends, and gave him a P4 scholly - took a flyer on him, so to speak - and ultimately 'developed him' into a starting P4 QB by his (RS) Sophomore season. And as a result Cal has helped him become a now-4-star, in-demand Portal QB. Competition - with Chandler Rogers, or anyone else - is not a bad thing. Forcing your QB to "win" the job...to "beat out" the competition, is the point, isn't it? Why tf should he be whining about having to f'n 'compete'?


Careful, folks on this board don't like reasonable analysis
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How typiCal of us to market something perhaps iconic, only to have it blow up in our faces.

That tweet from Adisson Ooms - I agree with alot of the comments to it. Put up receipts or don't post stuff like that. Seems like he's close to the coaches and is accusing Mendoza of sabotaging recruits for his own gain. Which I find hard to believe and its even harder to prove. Total gaslighting tweet.
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^ it's true, philly
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philly1121 said:

How typiCal of us to market something perhaps iconic, only to have it blow up in our faces.

That tweet from Adisson Ooms - I agree with alot of the comments to it. Put up receipts or don't post stuff like that. Seems like he's close to the coaches and is accusing Mendoza of sabotaging recruits for his own gain. Which I find hard to believe and its even harder to prove. Total gaslighting tweet.
Faking illness (or at least not pushing himself to play) to prevent injury I can buy. Sabotaging JKS's recruitment? What does he gain from that?
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^ more nil dollars
Joegeo
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If Mendoza truly was unhappy it is completely fair to tell recruit his honest experience and I don't consider that wrong (should tell the coach he rather not talk to recruits tbf).
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philly1121 said:

How typiCal of us to market something perhaps iconic, only to have it blow up in our faces.

That tweet from Adisson Ooms - I agree with alot of the comments to it. Put up receipts or don't post stuff like that. Seems like he's close to the coaches and is accusing Mendoza of sabotaging recruits for his own gain. Which I find hard to believe and its even harder to prove. Total gaslighting tweet.
Honestly, whether he is right or wrong with his tweet you can't have your coaching staff posting stuff like this. It makes your program look like a **** show.
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^ wrong, addy is not on the staff
82gradDLSdad
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Shocky1 said:

^ wrong, addy is not on the staff
Worse then. He's close enough to "staff" to have a page listing him as Quality Control, Offense. He knows something or not yet he's posting sensitive info on Twitter.
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concernedparent said:

philly1121 said:

How typiCal of us to market something perhaps iconic, only to have it blow up in our faces.

That tweet from Adisson Ooms - I agree with alot of the comments to it. Put up receipts or don't post stuff like that. Seems like he's close to the coaches and is accusing Mendoza of sabotaging recruits for his own gain. Which I find hard to believe and its even harder to prove. Total gaslighting tweet.
Faking illness (or at least not pushing himself to play) to prevent injury I can buy. Sabotaging JKS's recruitment? What does he gain from that?

It would be consistent with the complaint from his brother about Rogers. Basically being jealous of attention being given to potential competitors (when coming back was an option). See Longshore v Riley in 2007 with Desean as collateral damage. I think there was some with Rodgers and Robertson and roommate MacArthur.

Good quarterbacks tend to be competitive guys with big egos. It comes with the territory, We get to see them in college when they are even less mature and more is at stake: Coaches tend to platoon other positions, but not QB. For most coaches, there is only one ball and one QB1. Backup QB in the NFL is not a bad gig, but you can't get it by being a backup in college.
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Shocky1 said:

^ it's true, philly
Whatever happened behind the scenes, Mendoza issued a gracious and well thought out statement. Wilcox specifically chose not to comment on the situation. That is called handling things like adults.

The gossip girls should STFU. Anyone with any sense won't believe it anyway. 99% of the time it is all bullshyte.

If it makes anyone feel better to think Mendoza is scum, be my guest, but it doesn't score anymore touchdowns next year.

Further, if anyone doesn't believe this was the best move for Mendoza, they are absolutely kidding themselves. Had Cal thought there was a better QB out there they would have kicked Mendoza to the curb in a second. Mendoza knows there are better places for him so he did the same. That is life in the big boy world. People need to grow up.
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philly1121 said:

How typiCal of us to market something perhaps iconic, only to have it blow up in our faces.

That tweet from Adisson Ooms - I agree with alot of the comments to it. Put up receipts or don't post stuff like that. Seems like he's close to the coaches and is accusing Mendoza of sabotaging recruits for his own gain. Which I find hard to believe and its even harder to prove. Total gaslighting tweet.


Sebasta all but verified and confirmed the veracity of Ooms' tweet comments in his long expository post yesterday.
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calumnus said:

concernedparent said:

philly1121 said:

How typiCal of us to market something perhaps iconic, only to have it blow up in our faces.

That tweet from Adisson Ooms - I agree with alot of the comments to it. Put up receipts or don't post stuff like that. Seems like he's close to the coaches and is accusing Mendoza of sabotaging recruits for his own gain. Which I find hard to believe and its even harder to prove. Total gaslighting tweet.
Faking illness (or at least not pushing himself to play) to prevent injury I can buy. Sabotaging JKS's recruitment? What does he gain from that?

It would be consistent with the complaint from his brother about Rogers. Basically being jealous of attention being given to potential competitors (when coming back was an option). See Longshore v Riley in 2007 with Desean as collateral damage. I think there was some with Rodgers and Robertson and roommate MacArthur.

Good quarterbacks tend to be competitive guys with big egos. It comes with the territory, We get to see them in college when they are even less mature and more is at stake: Coaches tend to platoon other positions, but not QB. For most coaches, there is only one ball and one QB1. Backup QB in the NFL is not a bad gig, but you can't get it by being a backup in college.
He was already going to leave. What does it matter if we landed JKS at that point? A bigger NIL offer as leverage to negotiate with other schools? Unless you are saying he torpedoed the recruitment the whole way through (even before he decided he was leaving)?
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Joegeo said:

If Mendoza truly was unhappy it is completely fair to tell recruit his honest experience and I don't consider that wrong (should tell the coach he rather not talk to recruits tbf).


Since the JKS Big Game visit was an "Unofficial" Visit, he has no designated 'host', as OVs do. So, since Fernando was not JKS's 'designated host', and since JKS [under the scenario described] did not ask for or seek Fernando's additional, negative input on the night before National Signing Day, having already made up his mind, "why" would it be "completely fair" for Fernando - unsolicited - to "tell the recruit his honest experience" (however disingenuous, and wrongheaded his perception) on the eve of national signing day, 'after' the recruit was already - for all intents & purposes - signed, sealed and delivered?
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Joegeo said:

If Mendoza truly was unhappy it is completely fair to tell recruit his honest experience and I don't consider that wrong (should tell the coach he rather not talk to recruits tbf).
It goes well beyond telling recurits his honest experience. SB pulling back the curtains in the premium board is well worth a whole year's subscription alone
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Pittstop said:

philly1121 said:

How typiCal of us to market something perhaps iconic, only to have it blow up in our faces.

That tweet from Adisson Ooms - I agree with alot of the comments to it. Put up receipts or don't post stuff like that. Seems like he's close to the coaches and is accusing Mendoza of sabotaging recruits for his own gain. Which I find hard to believe and its even harder to prove. Total gaslighting tweet.


Sebasta all but verified and confirmed the veracity of Ooms' tweet comments in his long expository post yesterday.
Ah I see. So basically, Mendoza disuaded JKS from coming to Cal?
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philly1121 said:

Pittstop said:

philly1121 said:

How typiCal of us to market something perhaps iconic, only to have it blow up in our faces.

That tweet from Adisson Ooms - I agree with alot of the comments to it. Put up receipts or don't post stuff like that. Seems like he's close to the coaches and is accusing Mendoza of sabotaging recruits for his own gain. Which I find hard to believe and its even harder to prove. Total gaslighting tweet.


Sebasta all but verified and confirmed the veracity of Ooms' tweet comments in his long expository post yesterday.
Ah I see. So basically, Mendoza disuaded JKS from coming to Cal?
Whatever he did in private, he had the good sense to keep it private and not air the dirty laundry in public. Wilcox had the good sense to not air the dirty laundry. No one looks good taking private beefs public. Does anyone here think that anyone outside Cal is going to think anything negative about Mendoza when Cal sources beef publicly about a starting QB who left the program? The only thing that happens when Cal sources air these beefs publicly is that people think Cal is butthurt that he left.

Assume every negative thing about Mendoza is true. Assume he is a complete, two faced, lying backstabbing jerk. He issues a statement about how grateful he is to everyone, blah, blah, blah and he has won. He has played everyone on this side. Basically because a twenty year old kid is able to look at the situation and know that he derives no benefit and only detriment, from publicly slamming Cal. You'd think people with a few more years under their belts on the Cal side should be able to do the same calculus and control themselves.
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BearlyCareAnymore said:

philly1121 said:

Pittstop said:

philly1121 said:

How typiCal of us to market something perhaps iconic, only to have it blow up in our faces.

That tweet from Adisson Ooms - I agree with alot of the comments to it. Put up receipts or don't post stuff like that. Seems like he's close to the coaches and is accusing Mendoza of sabotaging recruits for his own gain. Which I find hard to believe and its even harder to prove. Total gaslighting tweet.


Sebasta all but verified and confirmed the veracity of Ooms' tweet comments in his long expository post yesterday.
Ah I see. So basically, Mendoza disuaded JKS from coming to Cal?
Whatever he did in private, he had the good sense to keep it private and not air the dirty laundry in public. Wilcox had the good sense to not air the dirty laundry. No one looks good taking private beefs public. Does anyone here think that anyone outside Cal is going to think anything negative about Mendoza when Cal sources beef publicly about a starting QB who left the program? The only thing that happens when Cal sources air these beefs publicly is that people think Cal is butthurt that he left.

Assume every negative thing about Mendoza is true. Assume he is a complete, two faced, lying backstabbing jerk. He issues a statement about how grateful he is to everyone, blah, blah, blah and he has won. He has played everyone on this side. Basically because a twenty year old kid is able to look at the situation and know that he derives no benefit and only detriment, from publicly slamming Cal. You'd think people with a few more years under their belts on the Cal side should be able to do the same calculus and control themselves.
Maybe our only hope is Fernando flames out quickly and becomes our AD/HC. Nah, we'd treat him like Tosh. Continuing to cut off our nose to spite someone else's face.
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I don't know what went down behind the scenes. I've also made it clear that I was a big fan of Fernando this year and believe many of Cal's wins (including the Big Game) were the direct results of his actions and in spite of the coaching. I also don't know what Sebasta posted on the premium board, but I can make some guesses.

Assuming Nando told JKS (1) not to come to Cal, (2) Cal doesn't focus on offense, (3) the OL is crap and can't protect the QB, (4) the OC is horrible, (5) that Wilcox is a horrible HC, (6) the coaching staff is constantly looking to recruit over the incumbent QB, and (7) Nando will remain the starter the next two years, about the only thing there that's different from what has been discussed ad infinitum on these boards is the first point, not to come to Cal. But if it's backed up by points 2-7, how is any of that wrong? How many of us on this board have made those points?

If Nando was present and gave his blessing for the Harsin hire then declared for the portal, what's the problem? It's not like Nando was the one who nominated him or hired him. Harsin is Wilcox's buddy, not Nando's. If Nando approved the Harsin hire (or even if he disapproved of it), exactly what difference would that have made in Wilcox's hiring of his friend?

Also, as I've stated many times this year, it looked very much like the team quit on Wilcox and his staff, or rather, Wilcox and company had lost the team. Nando was one of the few team leaders who managed to rally the troops to play for one another and win for one another. They sure as heck weren't playing for Wilcox! It's no wonder that Nando decided to portal out,* especially when the HC repeatedly threw the team under the bus with his comments about execution instead of facing up to the fact that his inept coaching cost Cal many wins this year.

As for the "Golden Bears Forever" and "98 yards with my boys" comments, I'm sure Nando was caught up in the moment of beating the Furd. More importantly, though, it also showed that he and the team were not playing for Wilcox. Again, it showed that Wilcox and his staff had lost the team.

Frankly, as many of us have lamented on this board, Wilcox is just not a winner; he lacks a winner's mentality; so long as he is the HC at Cal, the football team will be mediocre; and no offensive player with any NFL aspirations would reasonably want to play for Wilcox. If all Nando did was make a decision in his best interest with these points in mind, then who can fault him?

Even if he did tell JKS not to come to Cal (again, based on these points), who could find fault with that? He was being honest and trying his best to help steer a talented kid with NFL ambitions to a place where he could have a better chance to achieve those dreams.

Heck, I've steered kids away from Cal who want to go to med school (or law school) because the academic environment at Cal is so cutthroat it's probably better for those with med school (or law school) dreams to go to another school with lesser competition. That doesn't mean I hate Cal or did Cal dirty. I'm doing my best to help out kids based on what I see. Along those lines, I try to push kids who want to do engineering towards Cal because Cal has some of the best darn engineering programs in the world (and engineers don't need to attend grad school to get well-paying jobs). If Nando basically did the same with JKS, I won't fault him for that.

At the end of the day, the problem still boils down to the fact that Cal has a mediocre HC and incompetent offensive coaching staff. Until that gets fixed, Cal will not have (much, if any) success on the football field. Getting upset with Nando for choosing a path that makes his NFL dreams more realistic is nonsensical. Even being upset with him for telling JKS to go elsewhere isn't that big a deal, especially if JKS had NFL aspirations.


*If he is going to play for Indiana, that's a mistake, IMHO. IU did well this year because it had a mostly soft schedule and it also had a starting offensive line (and tight end) who were primarily all seniors (even if many/most of them were portal transfers). IU will not have the same beef to protect Nando (or whomever the starting QB is next year), though it does look like IU will have another soft schedule (where the only tough games are at OU, at Penn State, and (possibly tough) at Iowa).

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If your program's success depended on one player staying for another year or two, then you don't have a program.
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sycasey said:

If your program's success depended on one player staying for another year or two, then you don't have a program.

Cal doesn't have much of a program and hasn't since (at least) the late Tedford years.
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Well, for whatever reason, he's gone. And threw a grenade behind his back when he left. We'll see what happens with Jadyn. But this is how it is. Probably gonna get worse before it gets better.

In other portal news - Arkansas lost 25 players to the portal. Oklahoma lost 4 players in one day. USC is losing 16 players including Miller Moss, Duce Robinson and Kyron Hudson. And our old friend J. Michael Sturdivant is saying goodbye to UCLA. What a joy college football is.

There is zero connection to any university anymore. All the portal statements are the same. "First I'd like to thank God and my lord and savior JC for giving me my talent. My coaches I say thanks for everything. With that being said....."

ugh
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It's very possible that if Wilcox is to exit whether it's by his choice or not one of these offensive coaches could be next in line
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The best thing we can do is build a very successful program for years to come. That will make everybody second-guess leaving.
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Nofado said:

It's very possible that if Wilcox is to exit whether it's by his choice or not one of these offensive coaches could be next in line


Very much doubt it. if Wilcox's 5th OC pick is a success, he will be a success. If he is fired it will be because this new staff implodes in Berkeley'. They will all return to their ranches in Idaho $millions the richer.

Cal football could be in a really bad place if that happens given the impending budget crisis with reduced income and higher expenses in the ACC and massive cuts in Federal spending on education and research.
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calumnus said:

Nofado said:

It's very possible that if Wilcox is to exit whether it's by his choice or not one of these offensive coaches could be next in line


Very much doubt it. if Wilcox's 5th OC pick is a success, he will be a success. If he is fired it will be because this new staff implodes in Berkeley'. They will all return to their ranches in Idaho $millions the richer.

Cal football could be in a really bad place if that happens given the impending budget crisis with reduced income and higher expenses in the ACC and massive cuts in Federal spending on education and research.

You're being to generous the technical term is a ranchette…
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You forget Oregon wants him
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Two words: Power Ball
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Why do we care what Nando says when every recruit can come onto this board and read far worse about our own program. Cal is nothing more than a dysfunctional family. The kind of family where you the best moment is when you are driving away from the family get together shaking your head on all the embarrassing things you had to endure over the meal. Who needs enemies when you have family members who talk incessant **** about those in their own household. It isn't even like Uncle Wilcox is really our Uncle at all. He is more of an in-law who at some point Auntee Lyons will grow a pair and divorce from Uncle Wilcox. But Grandma and Grandpa don't go around **** talking about Uncle Wilcox. They wait patiently and maybe slip Auntee a bit of coin to get her lawyer pointed in the right direction. But never does the successful family air their dirty laundry so blatantly for all to see. We aren't that. It's why we live in the trailer park of college football.
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CALiforniALUM said:

Why do we care what Nando says when every recruit can come onto this board and read far worse about our own program. Cal is nothing more than a dysfunctional family. The kind of family where you the best moment is when you are driving away from the family get together shaking your head on all the embarrassing things you had to endure over the meal. Who needs enemies when you have family members who talk incessant **** about those in their own household. It isn't even like Uncle Wilcox is really our Uncle at all. He is more of an in-law who at some point Auntee Lyons will grow a pair and divorce from Uncle Wilcox. But Grandma and Grandpa don't go around **** talking about Uncle Wilcox. They wait patiently and maybe slip Auntee a bit of coin to get her lawyer pointed in the right direction. But never does the successful family air their dirty laundry so blatantly for all to see. We aren't that. It's why we live in the trailer park of college football.


Have you ever visited the fan board of any other team?
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oski003 said:

bencgilmore said:

DaveT said:

What a mess. Unfair to Fernando, unfair to Chandler, stupid of Bloesch, stupid of Wilcox . . . . This was pretty widely rumored for a while (and makes perfect sense looking back on summer ball), but just shows how bad Wilcox is at his job. Why is your OC promising a starting role to a transfer QB? Did you not realize this, or did you think it was ok? Either way it's nuts.
the whole Mendoza/Chandler/JKS situation has been managed... "poorly" doesn't do it justice. None of this needed to be complicated in any way or adversarial to these extents. Just unbelievably bad peple management

Wilcox better hope Harsin pulls 40 ppg out of his ass, because i've given wilcox more leeway than nearly anyone on this board.


The Rogers/Mendoza situation was managed well enough to turn a 2* unwanted QB into a 4* QB being offered millions of dollars to play college football.
FFS. And then he LEFT. It's not hard to grasp. Acting like the coaching staff had anything to do in his growth as a player is hilarious.
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philly1121 said:

Pittstop said:

philly1121 said:

How typiCal of us to market something perhaps iconic, only to have it blow up in our faces.

That tweet from Adisson Ooms - I agree with alot of the comments to it. Put up receipts or don't post stuff like that. Seems like he's close to the coaches and is accusing Mendoza of sabotaging recruits for his own gain. Which I find hard to believe and its even harder to prove. Total gaslighting tweet.


Sebasta all but verified and confirmed the veracity of Ooms' tweet comments in his long expository post yesterday.
Ah I see. So basically, Mendoza disuaded JKS from coming to Cal?


It's probably not appropriate for me to say much more than that.
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calumnus said:

Nofado said:

It's very possible that if Wilcox is to exit whether it's by his choice or not one of these offensive coaches could be next in line


Very much doubt it. if Wilcox's 5th OC pick is a success, he will be a success. If he is fired it will be because this new staff implodes in Berkeley'. They will all return to their ranches in Idaho $millions the richer.

Cal football could be in a really bad place if that happens given the impending budget crisis with reduced income and higher expenses in the ACC and massive cuts in Federal spending on education and research.


A great season from Cal's new offensive staff still may not be enough to save JW's job. He might still be shown the door, based on nearly a decade of flailing and futility, and replaced as HC by one of his top offensive assistants - most likely I'd imagine, Harsin, with Cefalo becoming OC.
 
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