It's definitely a business but its regulation is truly bizarre in comparison to all of the explicit pro sports leagues.

The #1 problem with modern college football as a sport is the currently existing annual unrestricted free agency. Programs have no security or continuity and all but very dedicated fans are discouraged from following the roster.

Perhaps some of the legal minds on this board can tell whether NIL agreements can take the form of contracts with players which are exclusive to a single university and have a term of multiple years? Could such a contract provide for a variable pay based on performance metrics or have options on future seasons written in for one or both parties?

If a university could make such a contract with a "student-athlete", they would be able to create something like the kind of contract structure used by the NFL. There would still be a lot more player movement than before the portal era but some measure of certainty for programs and fans would be restored.

Supposedly the Wisconsin folks own his NIL for playing college football for two years. It will be interesting to see if they sue to make him adhere to his contract. Sort of like the ACC suing Clemson and FSU.

Oski87 said:

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Supposedly the Wisconsin folks own his NIL for playing college football for two years. It will be interesting to see if they sue to make him adhere to his contract. Sort of like the ACC suing Clemson and FSU.

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The Wisconsin deal is conditioned on implementation of the settlement of the House lawsuit, to which the court and the universities haven't yet given final approval. The deal would have required Wisconsin to pay this player money in exchange for being able to use his NIL rights, while permitting him to also have outside NIL. It's a boilerplate contract created by the Big Ten on the theory that it would bind the player to the team.

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The portal deserves to be dead. It's a horrible idea.

There has to be some rules about eligibility, right? Every sport has restrictions on eligibility. Shouldn't you only be able to play for one team within a season???

Should be required to stay at least 2 years with a team.

Golden One said:

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Should be required to stay at least 2 years with a team.

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Several weeks ago ESPN aired on the Pat McAfee program an interview by McAfee of Charlie Baker, the purported president of the NCAA.

Baker has been involved with heavy duty negotiations with the judge who issued the decision in favor of the players allowing NIL and the Portal

[WARNING: I had hoped that some one else with more information had seen that program besides me. I take no responsibility for the accuracy of what was reported. I am just the conduit for what I saw and heard. Don't blame the messenger. Take it or leave it at your discretion. If anyone has any corrections or supplemental information please provide it. ]

The judge is keeping control of the efforts by the various interested parties to enforce the judge's order.

The interview was about one hour long and very informative

The major take aways I gleaned were

1. There is a temporary partial concept being negotiated

2. The temporary concept will be completed (some time this year?)

3. When completed it will be reviewed and tweaked (or over hauled) periodically to address problems that might crop as the temporary concept is implemented

4. The judge contemplates the review and tweak period will be in place for 10 years

5. The Portal will be included in the temporary concept in some form or other. So will NIL.

6. The players will be able to enter into contracts

a. The contracts can address I. the term for which the player will or will not have access to the Portal II. The conditions under which the contract can be terminated (for example if the coach leaves) III. The amount of the NIL payment. IV. Whether the player will enjoy any revenue sharing

b. The player will receive counseling in entering the contract

c. The contracts will be reviewed by designated parties to insure fairness.

7 the judge wants to involve the schools in the process

8. The judge wants to provide assurances that the NIL payments are made to the players.

9. There was a discussion about extending eligibility of players. But there is a corresponding problem that any extension of eligibility adversely affects high school students in the pipeline behind the current players.

10. Reading between the lines The judge and the NCAA are not happy with the disproportionate power currently in the hands of non-supervised agents. Who can act to the detriment of the players and the schools and the teams.

To me it looks like the judge is trying to address the obvious problem created by the Portal and the NIL. But there are no easy or obvious solutions

I still don't understand how this judge has jurisdiction/authority to approve any of these prospective agreements. How can people who are not presently members of the class (i.e., current high school students) be in the future bound by these agreements? This is more smoke and mirrors. The NCAA continues to hope everyone pretends and plays along.

GivemTheAxe said:

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Golden One said:

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Should be required to stay at least 2 years with a team.

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Several weeks ago ESPN aired on the Pat McAfee program an interview by McAfee of Charlie Baker, the purported president of the NCAA.

Baker has been involved with heavy duty negotiations with the judge who issued the decision in favor of the players allowing NIL and the Portal

[WARNING: I had hoped that some one else with more information had seen that program besides me. I take no responsibility for the accuracy of what was reported. I am just the conduit for what I saw and heard. Don't blame the messenger. Take it or leave it at your discretion. If anyone has any corrections or supplemental information please provide it. ]

The judge is keeping control of the efforts by the various interested parties to enforce the judge's order.

The interview was about one hour long and very informative

The major take aways I gleaned were

1. There is a temporary partial concept being negotiated

2. The temporary concept will be completed (some time this year?)

3. When completed it will be reviewed and tweaked (or over hauled) periodically to address problems that might crop as the temporary concept is implemented

4. The judge contemplates the review and tweak period will be in place for 10 years

5. The Portal will be included in the temporary concept in some form or other. So will NIL.

6. The players will be able to enter into contracts

a. The contracts can address I. the term for which the player will or will not have access to the Portal II. The conditions under which the contract can be terminated (for example if the coach leaves) III. The amount of the NIL payment. IV. Whether the player will enjoy any revenue sharing

b. The player will receive counseling in entering the contract

c. The contracts will be reviewed by designated parties to insure fairness.

7 the judge wants to involve the schools in the process

8. The judge wants to provide assurances that the NIL payments are made to the players.

9. There was a discussion about extending eligibility of players. But there is a corresponding problem that any extension of eligibility adversely affects high school students in the pipeline behind the current players.

10. Reading between the lines The judge and the NCAA are not happy with the disproportionate power currently in the hands of non-supervised agents. Who can act to the detriment of the players and the schools and the teams.

To me it looks like the judge is trying to address the obvious problem created by the Portal and the NIL. But there are no easy or obvious solutions

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who's gonna pay the considerable expense of running this "operation"?

Rushinbear said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Golden One said:

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Should be required to stay at least 2 years with a team.

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Several weeks ago ESPN aired on the Pat McAfee program an interview by McAfee of Charlie Baker, the purported president of the NCAA.

Baker has been involved with heavy duty negotiations with the judge who issued the decision in favor of the players allowing NIL and the Portal

[WARNING: I had hoped that some one else with more information had seen that program besides me. I take no responsibility for the accuracy of what was reported. I am just the conduit for what I saw and heard. Don't blame the messenger. Take it or leave it at your discretion. If anyone has any corrections or supplemental information please provide it. ]

The judge is keeping control of the efforts by the various interested parties to enforce the judge's order.

The interview was about one hour long and very informative

The major take aways I gleaned were

1. There is a temporary partial concept being negotiated

2. The temporary concept will be completed (some time this year?)

3. When completed it will be reviewed and tweaked (or over hauled) periodically to address problems that might crop as the temporary concept is implemented

4. The judge contemplates the review and tweak period will be in place for 10 years

5. The Portal will be included in the temporary concept in some form or other. So will NIL.

6. The players will be able to enter into contracts

a. The contracts can address I. the term for which the player will or will not have access to the Portal II. The conditions under which the contract can be terminated (for example if the coach leaves) III. The amount of the NIL payment. IV. Whether the player will enjoy any revenue sharing

b. The player will receive counseling in entering the contract

c. The contracts will be reviewed by designated parties to insure fairness.

7 the judge wants to involve the schools in the process

8. The judge wants to provide assurances that the NIL payments are made to the players.

9. There was a discussion about extending eligibility of players. But there is a corresponding problem that any extension of eligibility adversely affects high school students in the pipeline behind the current players.

10. Reading between the lines The judge and the NCAA are not happy with the disproportionate power currently in the hands of non-supervised agents. Who can act to the detriment of the players and the schools and the teams.

To me it looks like the judge is trying to address the obvious problem created by the Portal and the NIL. But there are no easy or obvious solutions

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who's gonna pay the considerable expense of running this "operation"?

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That was not discussed.

But to me the likely source of payment comes from a percentage of the NIL payments
The payor and the payee are getting the benefit of this entire structure. It should be paid by each of them calculated based upon the amount of their benefit (monetized by the amount of the NIL for the particular contract)
Maybe some portion can come from TV revenues paid to the various leagues

College football as a "concept" is dead. Has been for a bit now, but it is way out of control. The only thing left is the stadiums they play in. The players are for the most part no longer students. Not even close. The players are being lead around by agents, trainers, former coaches and family members looking for the biggest bag.

Every time a reasonable rule is implemented the players and their "agents" file a lawsuit. The NCAA which is now a toothless shell of an organization just caves in and says "everything is ok". Players can file waivers for increased eligibility. Opposing programs can just raid your roster.

TV runs the whole darn enterprise. The big conferences have an overwhelming advantage over the lesser ones. Purdue gets who knows how much just by being a B1G member. They were as uncompetitive a team as I can remember. Yet they make roughly double what Clemson or ASU (both conference game champs) make.

You are seeing instances where it seems like pressure is being applied to determine outcomes. Miami got this in back to back games this season. First vs VaTech and then the appalling bad call vs Cal and the textbook targeting that went uncalled. The Texas/ASU CFP game also saw Texas get an officials decision go their way when the late targeting call was not called. I heard Jimbo Fisher on Sirius radio say that is his mind TV is clearly influencing decisions to try and reach desired outcomes.

The colleges now have NFL like personnel departments. They gather tape on every team. Looking for players to poach or at the very least have scouting reports of players that may enter the portal. Teams hire staffers with contacts in the 7v7 world, training etc that have a rolodex of contacts to begin discussions regarding transferring well prior to the actual portal window. The portal window could be one day long. It won't matter. Teams will have all the work done ahead of time and be ready to go as they will have a ready list of transfers agreeing to terms in hand.

The CFP is corrupt. There are discussions ongoing to eliminate G5 teams from participating. The SEC and B1G want to expand the CFP and want 4 auto bids each. There is no advantage they won't utiliize to keep them elevated over the other conferences.

This is big business. And dirty business. This is now a just how far will you go to win exercise. And for TV it is all only about ratings and the promotion of their 2 big conferences. ESPN with the SEC and Fox with the B1G. TV does not care how Ohio St or Texas wins. Just that they do.

I am for the players getting a piece of the pie. I don't even mind they get a big piece. But the rampant tampering is a major problem. You are finally starting to see schools start calling out the major offenders. Wisconsin suing Miami is big news. But nobody is surprised they are doing this. Boise St called out Oregon. TV loves this stuff. It makes for interesting TV. They loved the convicts vs Catholics stuff in the Miami heyday.

The NCAA clinging to amateurism along with schools wanting to keep the money generated by players has moved this forward. Now lawyers, agents, families and players are punishing that system. The fans are supposed to just donate money, go to the games, watch on TV and shut up. While players move from program to program take the bags an depart for the next bigger bag.

I have been a longtime fan of my school and the game generally. But my love is fading. Fast. I will watch this upcoming 2025 season and hope some guardrails come into place and make this game what it once was. College football. I want badly for the game to become a fair place for players and fans. If the 2025 season continues with the lawsuits, tampering etc it will be my last year of paying attention.

That Carson Beck can make 4 times the annual salary of Brock Purdy is a joke. And not a funny one. And he likely won't set one foot inside a classroom at Miami. What a great game. Well it was once. Maybe again some day. Ah not likely.