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The Ron Rivera Announcement - A meaningful and yet seemingly insufficient step forward

March 21, 2025
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It’s with a mixed sense of relief, excitement, hope as well as confusion and concern that we greet the news that Cal legend and NFL playing and coaching great Ron Rivera returns to Berkeley to be the GM of the football program.

Make no mistake, this has all the hallmarks of a seminal moment in the University’s athletic program, a potential life-line in a tumultuous maelstrom of conference realignment, a disempowered NCAA and student-athlete empowerment via NIL and the transfer portal.  With the appointment of Rich Lyons as Cal’s Chancellor, the University finally has a leader who not only wants athletic excellence that matches Berkeley’s academic prestige but understands its essential role in building and engaging an enduring and generous alumni and fan community around the school.  And eight long months into his tenure, he has ostensibly if not belatedly put his mark on Cal athletics with the appointment of Ron Rivera.

To put this decision in perspective, it’s important to realize that the University’s leadership has historically viewed the athletic department with what can be best be described as a mixture of frustration and not so benevolent tolerance, with the complete absence of vision or understanding of its import and potential to the school’s broader goals.   Chancellor Christ who preceded Rich Lyons, realized that athletics has been treated as a second-class citizen and elevated for the first time the athletic director to the Chancellor’s leadership team and stopped the unfair taxation and financial mining of Cal’s sports teams by the University including taking over the debt for the retrofit of Memorial Stadium.   Beyond that, she was a complete novice to College Athletics and its accelerating complexity and dynamism.   She mistakenly hired a wholly unqualified Athletic Director in Jim Knowlton and gave him the mandate of making sure the revenue sports (Football and Basketball) were “decent” while instead focusing on limiting investment into and the costs associated with running the department.  Beyond that, the goal for Knowlton would be to make sure Cal was a paragon in the eyes of both the toothless NCAA and the academic side of the University.

The net result has seen declining attendance to all major sports events, inarguably the worst seven-year performance of the Men’s Basketball team along with a Football program that hasn’t seen a winning record in conference play since 2009.  Jim Knowlton came to Cal after a short stint as the Athletic Director of the Air Force Academy.   Prior to Berkeley, he had never raised money from a donor base or managed a major conference sports program.  He came from the military where his imperative was not to lead, empower and educate his superiors whose focus and expertise lied elsewhere but rather to without question follow orders.   If there is any school in the country’s whose leadership needed to be educated and informed by their athletic leadership, it’s Cal.  

Since Knowlton has arrived, Cal’s performance in its athletic endeavors have hit an all-time low, donor interest outside of the entirely donor inspired and led Caliber funds and the Cal Legends Collective have been anemic.  What has pervaded the athletic department under Knowlton’s leadership is a culture of “No”.  Knowlton never understood or realized the importance of Football to the success and outright survival of the school’s other sports and instead knowingly and intentionally misled donors who believe they were giving to Cal Football only to disperse those funds to other sports.  The day-to-day operations of sports inside Cal are ones that require coaches to work around the administration or anguish in stifled frustration at the misaligned priorities and complete lack of imagination and creativity.  To be clear, there’s zero chance that Cal would be in the ACC right now and be anywhere close to being competitive in Football and Basketball without donors directly intervening and forcing Jim Knowlton to invest their money in the Bears football program.   And NIL, for all the disruption and discomfort it has caused, has been a literal life saver thanks to the heroic efforts of Kevin Kennedy and its donors.   

Point of fact is that the donors who created the Caliber fund and the Collective have had to fight, scratch and claw every day to overcome an Athletic Department actively standing in their way.  And coaches who have succeeded in Berkeley the past seven years have done so despite rather than as a result of the support of their leadership.

Enter Ron Rivera - Here’s a person who turned down far more money to return to the NFL and who is risking his personal reputation and brand to revive Cal Football and therefore the entire Athletic Department.  He is well aware of the track record of the program and the challenges the Athletic Department is facing and is undaunted and resolute in his belief that he can be a catalyst for positive change.  It’s hard to quantify the upside potential of his appointment and the gratefulness the Cal community must have for his willingness to take on this task.  

Yesterday’s headlines invoked an energy and anticipation that’s been missing for at least 15 years only to find that the press release and subsequent press conference worked to take much of the air of that hopeful balloon.  To not make transparently clear that Ron would have direct and overall responsibilities for all of Cal football creates confusion and sows doubt at a time where bold leadership is required.  To have Cal’s Head Football Coach continue to report to Jim Knowlton defies common sense, logic and at least optically makes it that much harder for Ron Rivera to succeed in his new role.   It’s important to understand that Football success does not start and end with the programs coaching staff.   The marketing team, the medical staff, the stadium and facilities management, the admissions department, the compliance team and so many more people impact the program every day in positive or negative ways.   It is beyond essential for all those people to be rowing in the same direction, to share the same set of priorities and to be led by a single and unified vision.

To be clear, words in press release are more often about managing optics and what we can only guess are hidden tertiary goals.   The reality may well be that Ron Rivera will be overseeing all of Cal football and have the ability to forever change the culture of “No”, to upgrade and empower the broader team tasked with making Cal football as successful on the field as the University is in its academic endeavors.  The real litmus test of Rich Lyons leadership will happen in the coming days as Ron takes on his new role.   While there’s certainly reason for cautious optimism, there’s more than enough of a track record to suggest patient skepticism.  

We’re proud that this community has been an essential part of the aforementioned donor lifelines, with more than two thirds of the caliber donors and almost 90% of the dollars contributed to the Legends Collective coming from the Bear Insider populace.  Each of you needs to come to your own conclusions about the state of Athletic Department and the potential impact of Ron Rivera’s appointment.   For now, we will be refraining from donating to the program and further will not encourage any of you to do so.  Instead, regardless of your feelings, we strongly suggest you reach out to Chancellor Lyons and share how you feel about the state of Cal Athletics, Jim Knowlton as your Athletic Director and how you believe he can best support Ron Rivera as the Cal Football General Manager.  

The Chancellor can be reached at Lyons@berkeley.edu

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The Ron Rivera Announcement - A meaningful and yet seemingly insufficient step forward

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Shocky1
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props to greg & this site taking a very public stance re: the con artist!!

calbear91
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This a well reasoned and worded piece, and I truly appreciate that as a Cal alum. I think I'm more optimistic than others may be. I've been in leadership a long time, and it has shaped my views on change management.

I believe I heard in the press conference everything I needed to hear from Lyons. Given the obvious need for him to be diplomatic, he made clear what is at stake, and a clear understanding of how football works for the whole campus community. Given his position, I found him quite open about the need to win and to win in a way Cal fans will support.

The kind words from Ron and Lyons to Knowlton felt perfunctory. It's what you do. There is no way Ron doesn't know that Knowlton is a lame duck. None of us know where Lyons is with Knowlton. I also saw Knowltons body language during the interview and took his dejected or disinterested stance as indication of him knowing he's being g pushed out. He knows full well he's being pushed out in my view.

The way Ron spoke about Wilcox and football made clear to me he will be a hard judge of poor results. He's not a man to return to his beloved alma mater to raise loads of money and have a **** product on the field. Who could think he'd accept that? He will publicly support because he's a Cal grad and no fool, but would you want to be on the receiving end of his wrath?

So I'm hopeful, and more hopeful now than I've been in years. I was not going to renew my season tix after last season, but I like every coaching change on offense, and now with coach Rivera, I'm all in. I've not yet been a deep pocket donor, giving my hundreds each year out of pure blue and gold blood. But with these moves and with encouraging success, I could start adding zeros to my giving and be happy to give back to a university and program that has given me so much despite the middling success on the gridiron.


Go Bears and Go Coach Rivera!
TandemBear
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A very well-deserved indictment of Knownothing. Glad to see someone at BI has the balls to call it like it is. The endless equivocation and sunshine pumping gets pretty old. Old Blues know marketing BS speak when they hear it!

So while it's great to know knowledgeable folks realize we're nearing the existential cliff edge, it's disappointing to see the University staying the course of mediocrity and apathy. They'll sail us right over the edge if Rivera can't make the needed change.

Which approach will prevail? Time will tell, and probably sooner than later.
DiabloWags
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I would hope that Ron Rivera isn't being asked to be a GM with one-hand tied behind his back.

Or did we really just bring in a legend to rearrange the deck chairs?

I think we're about to find out who the real Rich Lyons is.



Shocky1
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greg, here's my email:



Dear Chancellor Lyons,

How are you?

I am fine.

Right now Ron Rivera, Lance Cooper & Kevin Kennedy (and 95% of the ESP seat donors including the Monster) are kinda putting up with ur bull**** decision to have that ****tard Knowlton in charge of Cal Football.

But guess wut? Ur very very CLOSE to losing all financial support moving forward which will 100% collapse not only Cal Football but also ur grandiose plans to endow sports nobody really gives 2 ***** about except u, Jenny, Markeisha & the Con Artist along with any support for Berkeley's academic mission.

President Drake isn't ******* around like u, he's transparently admitted the UC system is under attack with a financial tsunami of EPIC proportions. This is an EXISTENTIAL threat to UC Berkeley.

If u alienate the Cal football community by not making Rivera 100% in charge of all GM duties/responsibilities instead of the absolutely unqualified bureaucrat who has already put Cal Basketball into a death spiral then ur ability to navigate the financial challenges of the next couple of years is gonna be a foregone conclusion of failure & Berkeley losing it's reputation as the #1 ranked public university in the world.

Rich, yesterday's Zoom call wuz a major disappointment to literally almost every California Golden Bear, please reconsider the organization structure of Cal Football (Rivera is not gonna stick around to be a glorified fundraiser), ok?

Bill "Shocky" Schulz
sycasey
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This is about as outwardly harsh as I've ever seen a BI article be towards the Cal administration. Seems warranted, though!
blungld
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Of course Cal fumbles the opportunity.
The Bear will not quilt, the Bear will not dye!
Shocky1
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shocky has been in touch with dozens of major donors during the last 24 hours since the rivera announcement, literally everyone is disappointed that lyons is strategizing with knowlton with wilcox reporting to the con artist at this time...knowlton got a universal near zero donor approval rating

so the consensus is that rich is afraid to neutralize jimmy at this time because of his testimony pertaining to the potentially costly ****show lawsuits emanating from the mckeever fiasco involving the truly evil as **** jennifer simon-o'neil...there's agreement that knowlton (who is a pathological liar, his empty promises re: the progress of the basketball practice facility & lying to a naive chancellor christ re: the northwestern athletic director opening) would be crazy (and risk jail time) by perjuring himself with testimony re: his enabling (looking the other way) non defensible role with the multiple suicidal ideration women's swimmers

to a person, and that means everybody shocky spoke to, trusts kevin kennedy to handle this discussion/negotiation with the chancellor...if sebastapool bear says he's done, literally everybody else including the monster is gonna be done with cal football too...kevin is the proxy vote for the california golden bear football community

bottom line, kevin kennedy is gonna be the person announcing whether or not there's gonna be a BIG TIME cal football program moving forward or a coastal california rival with cal poly at a 3,500+ fans gameday at memorial stadium in the very near future which no doubt would be just fine with the strawberry canyon homeowners & a significant # of berkeley professors

who is rich lyons (we're gonna know for sure in the next couple of weeks)??#
CAL4LIFE
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What's interesting to me is that anyone is surprised by the tenor and rhetoric coming out of that so-called press conference.

BTW, a presser on zoom is such an impersonal and sterilized way to present the GM position and Ron Rivera. It just made the entire thing look ridiculously bizarre.

Lyons is looking more and more like Chancellor Tien did back in the day. A lot of cheering, lip service, and supportive appearances for football, but when it comes real decision making it's too hard not to default back to the Cal way of doing things.

Even though the IAD dynamics have changed quite a bit, the general rhetoric out of Lyons office is that football is important but not important enough for him to step out in front and make the kind of bold decisions that would streamline how the program will be run going forward.

Knowlton is the Clarence Beeks character (Trading Places) at Cal. A seemingly untouchable teflon dirtbag who continually dupes Cal's unwitting leadership into continued employment despite sucking at the job. Just put the dude in a gorilla suit, pay him his salary, and send him back to Colorado for good already. Addition by administrative subtraction I say,



And then you have the lame duck Wilcox, who despite having an overly flat learning curve for the game and more resources than all former Cal head coaches combined, still driving the Lesley Gore bus to oblivion. When you look under the hood at all the latest hires you see an entire staff has been built behind this dude (two former P4 head coaches) trying to mitigate all of his weaknesses. So much so that if you told Wilcox to ride out the rest of his contract away from the program you could again have another addition by subtraction scenario.



So yes, the reactions to the Rivera hire are amusing to me. For Greg Richardson to go for the throat in the above piece is telling. To that I say what did you expect? Cal always defaults back to mitigating their own "progress" because they really don't understand what or how to operate out of the realm of tough love and fiscal responsibility.

Everything you heard in that press conference is exactly what the Cal brand is, was, and always will be until it implodes under the weight of it's own arrogance.



Ode Besar!
sycasey
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I tend to agree that the only chance here is that Sebastabear and the NIL collective drag the Cal administration kicking and screaming to the right course of action. There's clearly a lot of bad inertia to fight against.
Shocky1
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callfey, agreed that the zoom call wuz just weird as **** with an unlikeable knowlton fiddling with the bureaucratic paperwork on his desk looking very uncomfortable, lyons acting like a stoner who can't quite read the room nodding while the con artist speaks when literally every donor is just shaking his/her head in disbelief & ron putting up a brave face letting us know that jimmy has been an athletic director "for a while"

but there's honestly no tomorrow for cal football unless the chancellor empowers rivera as the football general manager 100% separate from the athletic department in all facets including marketing & the selling (or FREE in the case of berkeley students) of tixs, kevin kennedy is the proxy negotiator of this deal for almost literally every donor such as greg richardson who has finally had enough donating/supporting failed knowlton run programs including his beloved men's basketball program...the buck finally stops here

shocky doesn't need to write cal's monster offensive line (while is really just a love letter to our football bears, it could be in it's final days) or go to every cal football game both in berkeley & further afar in the fall of 2025 to be a happy yoga/meditation substitute yoga teacher at modern yoga while fundraising for local doggy dogs & continuing his quest to play the world's top 100 golf courses

so there's really no panic at the disco, the people have spoken & they've had enough...either lyons is gonna empower rivera (which includes firing wilcox/longwell after this season if they underperform again) & then either appointing himself or bryan harsin as the head coach (with the majority of the staff including coaches retained with rolo becoming the offensive coordinator) or nothing changes (other than rivera quitting sooner than later, this is NOT the deal he thought he wuz signing up for) & cal football is internally relegated with zero financial support from donors/season tix holders

kevin kennedy will let us know if he, lance cooper & the haas/goldman family are still all in on cal football, we will follow his lead...walking central park in the fall on the way to dinner/a broadway show with my daughter taylor is always a lotta FUN

the ball is truly in rich's court & every day he waits to do the right thing the more he jeopardizes the final future of berkeley well beyond athletics & the existential financial tsunami so clearly outlined by uc chancellor drake barrels toward berkeley while the lyon sleeps on pride rock
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Shocky1 said:

callfey, agreed that the zoom call wuz just weird as **** with an unlikeable knowlton fiddling with the bureaucratic paperwork on his desk looking very uncomfortable, lyons acting like a stoner who can't quite read the room nodding while the con artist speaks when literally every donor is just shaking his/her head in disbelief & ron putting up a brave face letting us know that jimmy has been an athletic director "for a while"

but there's honestly no tomorrow for cal football unless the chancellor empowers rivera as the football general manager 100% separate from the athletic department in all facets including marketing & the selling (or FREE in the case of berkeley students) of tixs, kevin kennedy is the proxy negotiator of this deal for almost literally every donor such as greg richardson who has finally had enough donating/supporting failed knowlton run programs including his beloved men's basketball program...the buck finally stops here

shocky doesn't need to write cal's monster offensive line (while is really just a love letter to our football bears, it could be in it's final days) or go to every cal football game both in berkeley & further afar in the fall of 2025 to be a happy yoga/meditation substitute yoga teacher at modern yoga while fundraising for local doggy dogs & continuing his quest to play the world's top 100 golf courses

so there's really no panic at the disco, the people have spoken & they've had enough...either lyons is gonna empower rivera (which includes firing wilcox/longwell after this season if they underperform again) & then either appointing himself or bryan harsin as the head coach (with the majority of the staff including coaches retained with rolo becoming the offensive coordinator) or nothing changes (other than rivera quitting sooner than later, this is NOT the deal he thought he wuz signing up for) & cal football is internally relegated with zero financial support from donors/season tix holders

kevin kennedy will let us know if he, lance cooper & the haas/goldman family are still all in on cal football, we will follow his lead...walking central park in the fall on the way to dinner/a broadway show with my daughter taylor is always a lotta FUN

the ball is truly in rich's court & every day he waits to do the right thing the more he jeopardizes the final future of berkeley well beyond athletics & the existential financial tsunami so clearly outlined by uc chancellor drake barrels toward berkeley while the lyon sleeps on pride rock
It appears to me that they have really miscalculated with hiring Rivera. For a long time Cal football has been a cycle of downward spiral, alums getting ticked off, administration doing some gesture that sounds like a new beginning but is ultimately meaningless, that placates the alums for a while who so desperatly want things to be better that they believe no matter how many times Lucy pulls the football, Lucy pulls the football, downward spiral, alums get ticked off, repeat. Usually they buy 3-5 years at a time.

It is looking like the Rivera hire may have just been upping the ante on the meaningless gesture. I think the miscalculation is that it promised too much. Too big a change. Gave too much hope. They couldn't cover up the fact that they weren't really doing what is promised. The alums walked back to get ready to kick that football, turned around and Lucy had already pulled it. Alums aren't that stupid.

Alums expected Rivera to run the thing. What they are getting is Rivera as a front man for the same old thing simply for marketing purposes. They drastically overpromised and under delivered. Frankly, it feels like the Rivera hire is simply designed to try and save Knowlton.

It is very clear that Knowlton is hated and nothing less than his head on a platter is going to fly. I don't know if the administration just doesn't understand that or there is some other reason they are protecting him. I guess we will soon see, because I think the Rivera hire has not only not released the pressure as they had hoped but has brought the whole situation to a head.
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BearlyCareAnymore said:

Shocky1 said:

callfey, agreed that the zoom call wuz just weird as **** with an unlikeable knowlton fiddling with the bureaucratic paperwork on his desk looking very uncomfortable, lyons acting like a stoner who can't quite read the room nodding while the con artist speaks when literally every donor is just shaking his/her head in disbelief & ron putting up a brave face letting us know that jimmy has been an athletic director "for a while"

but there's honestly no tomorrow for cal football unless the chancellor empowers rivera as the football general manager 100% separate from the athletic department in all facets including marketing & the selling (or FREE in the case of berkeley students) of tixs, kevin kennedy is the proxy negotiator of this deal for almost literally every donor such as greg richardson who has finally had enough donating/supporting failed knowlton run programs including his beloved men's basketball program...the buck finally stops here

shocky doesn't need to write cal's monster offensive line (while is really just a love letter to our football bears, it could be in it's final days) or go to every cal football game both in berkeley & further afar in the fall of 2025 to be a happy yoga/meditation substitute yoga teacher at modern yoga while fundraising for local doggy dogs & continuing his quest to play the world's top 100 golf courses

so there's really no panic at the disco, the people have spoken & they've had enough...either lyons is gonna empower rivera (which includes firing wilcox/longwell after this season if they underperform again) & then either appointing himself or bryan harsin as the head coach (with the majority of the staff including coaches retained with rolo becoming the offensive coordinator) or nothing changes (other than rivera quitting sooner than later, this is NOT the deal he thought he wuz signing up for) & cal football is internally relegated with zero financial support from donors/season tix holders

kevin kennedy will let us know if he, lance cooper & the haas/goldman family are still all in on cal football, we will follow his lead...walking central park in the fall on the way to dinner/a broadway show with my daughter taylor is always a lotta FUN

the ball is truly in rich's court & every day he waits to do the right thing the more he jeopardizes the final future of berkeley well beyond athletics & the existential financial tsunami so clearly outlined by uc chancellor drake barrels toward berkeley while the lyon sleeps on pride rock
It appears to me that they have really miscalculated with hiring Rivera. For a long time Cal football has been a cycle of downward spiral, alums getting ticked off, administration doing some gesture that sounds like a new beginning but is ultimately meaningless, that placates the alums for a while who so desperatly want things to be better that they believe no matter how many times Lucy pulls the football, Lucy pulls the football, downward spiral, alums get ticked off, repeat. Usually they buy 3-5 years at a time.

It is looking like the Rivera hire may have just been upping the ante on the meaningless gesture. I think the miscalculation is that it promised too much. Too big a change. Gave too much hope. They couldn't cover up the fact that they weren't really doing what is promised. The alums walked back to get ready to kick that football, turned around and Lucy had already pulled it. Alums aren't that stupid.

Alums expected Rivera to run the thing. What they are getting is Rivera as a front man for the same old thing simply for marketing purposes. They drastically overpromised and under delivered. Frankly, it feels like the Rivera hire is simply designed to try and save Knowlton.

It is very clear that Knowlton is hated and nothing less than his head on a platter is going to fly. I don't know if the administration just doesn't understand that or there is some other reason they are protecting him. I guess we will soon see, because I think the Rivera hire has not only not released the pressure as they had hoped but has brought the whole situation to a head.


I want to believe that Lyons is taking direction from UC lawyers regarding the Knowlton issue.
I'll bet there have been ongoing delayed decisions based on multiple legal issues.
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Alkiadt said:

BearlyCareAnymore said:

Shocky1 said:

callfey, agreed that the zoom call wuz just weird as **** with an unlikeable knowlton fiddling with the bureaucratic paperwork on his desk looking very uncomfortable, lyons acting like a stoner who can't quite read the room nodding while the con artist speaks when literally every donor is just shaking his/her head in disbelief & ron putting up a brave face letting us know that jimmy has been an athletic director "for a while"

but there's honestly no tomorrow for cal football unless the chancellor empowers rivera as the football general manager 100% separate from the athletic department in all facets including marketing & the selling (or FREE in the case of berkeley students) of tixs, kevin kennedy is the proxy negotiator of this deal for almost literally every donor such as greg richardson who has finally had enough donating/supporting failed knowlton run programs including his beloved men's basketball program...the buck finally stops here

shocky doesn't need to write cal's monster offensive line (while is really just a love letter to our football bears, it could be in it's final days) or go to every cal football game both in berkeley & further afar in the fall of 2025 to be a happy yoga/meditation substitute yoga teacher at modern yoga while fundraising for local doggy dogs & continuing his quest to play the world's top 100 golf courses

so there's really no panic at the disco, the people have spoken & they've had enough...either lyons is gonna empower rivera (which includes firing wilcox/longwell after this season if they underperform again) & then either appointing himself or bryan harsin as the head coach (with the majority of the staff including coaches retained with rolo becoming the offensive coordinator) or nothing changes (other than rivera quitting sooner than later, this is NOT the deal he thought he wuz signing up for) & cal football is internally relegated with zero financial support from donors/season tix holders

kevin kennedy will let us know if he, lance cooper & the haas/goldman family are still all in on cal football, we will follow his lead...walking central park in the fall on the way to dinner/a broadway show with my daughter taylor is always a lotta FUN

the ball is truly in rich's court & every day he waits to do the right thing the more he jeopardizes the final future of berkeley well beyond athletics & the existential financial tsunami so clearly outlined by uc chancellor drake barrels toward berkeley while the lyon sleeps on pride rock
It appears to me that they have really miscalculated with hiring Rivera. For a long time Cal football has been a cycle of downward spiral, alums getting ticked off, administration doing some gesture that sounds like a new beginning but is ultimately meaningless, that placates the alums for a while who so desperatly want things to be better that they believe no matter how many times Lucy pulls the football, Lucy pulls the football, downward spiral, alums get ticked off, repeat. Usually they buy 3-5 years at a time.

It is looking like the Rivera hire may have just been upping the ante on the meaningless gesture. I think the miscalculation is that it promised too much. Too big a change. Gave too much hope. They couldn't cover up the fact that they weren't really doing what is promised. The alums walked back to get ready to kick that football, turned around and Lucy had already pulled it. Alums aren't that stupid.

Alums expected Rivera to run the thing. What they are getting is Rivera as a front man for the same old thing simply for marketing purposes. They drastically overpromised and under delivered. Frankly, it feels like the Rivera hire is simply designed to try and save Knowlton.

It is very clear that Knowlton is hated and nothing less than his head on a platter is going to fly. I don't know if the administration just doesn't understand that or there is some other reason they are protecting him. I guess we will soon see, because I think the Rivera hire has not only not released the pressure as they had hoped but has brought the whole situation to a head.


I want to believe that Lyons is taking direction from UC lawyers regarding the Knowlton issue.
I'll bet there have been ongoing delayed decisions based on multiple legal issues.
I'm a lawyer so I respect legal analysis. Legal advice is always only one piece of an analysis. Any lawyer who works for a business knows that smart business people look at all sides. The lawyer's job is to advise on legal risk. Most of us have been in the position many times where you are telling management they have a $100K risk and the way to eliminate that risk is to not do the $1M deal. And we know what the answer will be and should be.

Not my area of expertise, but I honestly can't fathom what the huge risk is here beyond paying his buyout, unless Knowlton has the goods on people higher up and they are effectively paying to shut him up.

However, whatever the lawyers are advising is the legal risk, you don't just say "well, the lawyers say 'no', so I guess I can't." Whatever the legal risk is to firing Knowlton, it has to be balanced by the costs, opportunity and otherwise, of not firing Knowlton. If Lyons is taking direction from the lawyers and not challenging that, he is a fool. It is essentially like not performing CPR on someone whose heart has stopped because you are afraid you will break their ribs. Cal is getting killed here. It is bleeding out. Worrying about what should be containable legal risk while the program dies is not how you work with your lawyers. (and frankly, any good lawyer should say "you might consider whether it is worth the risk")
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BearlyCareAnymore said:

Shocky1 said:

callfey, agreed that the zoom call wuz just weird as **** with an unlikeable knowlton fiddling with the bureaucratic paperwork on his desk looking very uncomfortable, lyons acting like a stoner who can't quite read the room nodding while the con artist speaks when literally every donor is just shaking his/her head in disbelief & ron putting up a brave face letting us know that jimmy has been an athletic director "for a while"

but there's honestly no tomorrow for cal football unless the chancellor empowers rivera as the football general manager 100% separate from the athletic department in all facets including marketing & the selling (or FREE in the case of berkeley students) of tixs, kevin kennedy is the proxy negotiator of this deal for almost literally every donor such as greg richardson who has finally had enough donating/supporting failed knowlton run programs including his beloved men's basketball program...the buck finally stops here

shocky doesn't need to write cal's monster offensive line (while is really just a love letter to our football bears, it could be in it's final days) or go to every cal football game both in berkeley & further afar in the fall of 2025 to be a happy yoga/meditation substitute yoga teacher at modern yoga while fundraising for local doggy dogs & continuing his quest to play the world's top 100 golf courses

so there's really no panic at the disco, the people have spoken & they've had enough...either lyons is gonna empower rivera (which includes firing wilcox/longwell after this season if they underperform again) & then either appointing himself or bryan harsin as the head coach (with the majority of the staff including coaches retained with rolo becoming the offensive coordinator) or nothing changes (other than rivera quitting sooner than later, this is NOT the deal he thought he wuz signing up for) & cal football is internally relegated with zero financial support from donors/season tix holders

kevin kennedy will let us know if he, lance cooper & the haas/goldman family are still all in on cal football, we will follow his lead...walking central park in the fall on the way to dinner/a broadway show with my daughter taylor is always a lotta FUN

the ball is truly in rich's court & every day he waits to do the right thing the more he jeopardizes the final future of berkeley well beyond athletics & the existential financial tsunami so clearly outlined by uc chancellor drake barrels toward berkeley while the lyon sleeps on pride rock
It appears to me that they have really miscalculated with hiring Rivera. For a long time Cal football has been a cycle of downward spiral, alums getting ticked off, administration doing some gesture that sounds like a new beginning but is ultimately meaningless, that placates the alums for a while who so desperatly want things to be better that they believe no matter how many times Lucy pulls the football, Lucy pulls the football, downward spiral, alums get ticked off, repeat. Usually they buy 3-5 years at a time.

It is looking like the Rivera hire may have just been upping the ante on the meaningless gesture. I think the miscalculation is that it promised too much. Too big a change. Gave too much hope. They couldn't cover up the fact that they weren't really doing what is promised. The alums walked back to get ready to kick that football, turned around and Lucy had already pulled it. Alums aren't that stupid.

Alums expected Rivera to run the thing. What they are getting is Rivera as a front man for the same old thing simply for marketing purposes. They drastically overpromised and under delivered. Frankly, it feels like the Rivera hire is simply designed to try and save Knowlton.

It is very clear that Knowlton is hated and nothing less than his head on a platter is going to fly. I don't know if the administration just doesn't understand that or there is some other reason they are protecting him. I guess we will soon see, because I think the Rivera hire has not only not released the pressure as they had hoped but has brought the whole situation to a head.

The other piece is that conference realignment has dramatically increased the urgency. Everyone could see the Pac-12 falling apart and Cal barely scraping into the ACC for pennies on the dollar, and only with help from Notre Dame and Furd. Everyone can now see that the ACC is unstable with several programs looking to bolt. Alums and donors are not going to be satisfied with half-measures that result in Mountain West membership.

Cal not realizing that this requires quick and decisive action is unfortunately very typical for them.
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BearlyCareAnymore said:

Alkiadt said:

BearlyCareAnymore said:

Shocky1 said:

callfey, agreed that the zoom call wuz just weird as **** with an unlikeable knowlton fiddling with the bureaucratic paperwork on his desk looking very uncomfortable, lyons acting like a stoner who can't quite read the room nodding while the con artist speaks when literally every donor is just shaking his/her head in disbelief & ron putting up a brave face letting us know that jimmy has been an athletic director "for a while"

but there's honestly no tomorrow for cal football unless the chancellor empowers rivera as the football general manager 100% separate from the athletic department in all facets including marketing & the selling (or FREE in the case of berkeley students) of tixs, kevin kennedy is the proxy negotiator of this deal for almost literally every donor such as greg richardson who has finally had enough donating/supporting failed knowlton run programs including his beloved men's basketball program...the buck finally stops here

shocky doesn't need to write cal's monster offensive line (while is really just a love letter to our football bears, it could be in it's final days) or go to every cal football game both in berkeley & further afar in the fall of 2025 to be a happy yoga/meditation substitute yoga teacher at modern yoga while fundraising for local doggy dogs & continuing his quest to play the world's top 100 golf courses

so there's really no panic at the disco, the people have spoken & they've had enough...either lyons is gonna empower rivera (which includes firing wilcox/longwell after this season if they underperform again) & then either appointing himself or bryan harsin as the head coach (with the majority of the staff including coaches retained with rolo becoming the offensive coordinator) or nothing changes (other than rivera quitting sooner than later, this is NOT the deal he thought he wuz signing up for) & cal football is internally relegated with zero financial support from donors/season tix holders

kevin kennedy will let us know if he, lance cooper & the haas/goldman family are still all in on cal football, we will follow his lead...walking central park in the fall on the way to dinner/a broadway show with my daughter taylor is always a lotta FUN

the ball is truly in rich's court & every day he waits to do the right thing the more he jeopardizes the final future of berkeley well beyond athletics & the existential financial tsunami so clearly outlined by uc chancellor drake barrels toward berkeley while the lyon sleeps on pride rock
It appears to me that they have really miscalculated with hiring Rivera. For a long time Cal football has been a cycle of downward spiral, alums getting ticked off, administration doing some gesture that sounds like a new beginning but is ultimately meaningless, that placates the alums for a while who so desperatly want things to be better that they believe no matter how many times Lucy pulls the football, Lucy pulls the football, downward spiral, alums get ticked off, repeat. Usually they buy 3-5 years at a time.

It is looking like the Rivera hire may have just been upping the ante on the meaningless gesture. I think the miscalculation is that it promised too much. Too big a change. Gave too much hope. They couldn't cover up the fact that they weren't really doing what is promised. The alums walked back to get ready to kick that football, turned around and Lucy had already pulled it. Alums aren't that stupid.

Alums expected Rivera to run the thing. What they are getting is Rivera as a front man for the same old thing simply for marketing purposes. They drastically overpromised and under delivered. Frankly, it feels like the Rivera hire is simply designed to try and save Knowlton.

It is very clear that Knowlton is hated and nothing less than his head on a platter is going to fly. I don't know if the administration just doesn't understand that or there is some other reason they are protecting him. I guess we will soon see, because I think the Rivera hire has not only not released the pressure as they had hoped but has brought the whole situation to a head.


I want to believe that Lyons is taking direction from UC lawyers regarding the Knowlton issue.
I'll bet there have been ongoing delayed decisions based on multiple legal issues.
I'm a lawyer so I respect legal analysis. Legal advice is always only one piece of an analysis. Any lawyer who works for a business knows that smart business people look at all sides. The lawyer's job is to advise on legal risk. Most of us have been in the position many times where you are telling management they have a $100K risk and the way to eliminate that risk is to not do the $1M deal. And we know what the answer will be and should be.

Not my area of expertise, but I honestly can't fathom what the huge risk is here beyond paying his buyout, unless Knowlton has the goods on people higher up and they are effectively paying to shut him up.

However, whatever the lawyers are advising is the legal risk, you don't just say "well, the lawyers say 'no', so I guess I can't." Whatever the legal risk is to firing Knowlton, it has to be balanced by the costs, opportunity and otherwise, of not firing Knowlton. If Lyons is taking direction from the lawyers and not challenging that, he is a fool. It is essentially like not performing CPR on someone whose heart has stopped because you are afraid you will break their ribs. Cal is getting killed here. It is bleeding out. Worrying about what should be containable legal risk while the program dies is not how you work with your lawyers. (and frankly, any good lawyer should say "you might consider whether it is worth the risk")


I'm not a lawyer. However there are multiple lawsuits pending with women swim team members as well as a lawsuit from Coach Teri McKeever as well. Those were the other legal issues (and potential risk?) that may be related to firing of Knowlton. Just a guess but you'd know more than me.
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This is about as outwardly harsh as I've ever seen a BI article be towards the Cal administration. Seems warranted, though!
Typi-CAL.
We finally get one BIG thing that we have long wanted and still we ask "Yeah but what about...."

I see Ron's appointment as a major step forward toward major improvements in Cal Football.
I believe (hope?) his is not the end of those major improvements but only the beginning.
i also see it as providing the basis for terminating JW and even the AD if things don't get better FAST.

[My take (guess?) is that Chancellor Lyons has already said publicly that he is committed to improving Cal football fast. Chancellor Lyons is a smart guy and knows business. He knows he does not have the expertise to make decisions on properly evaluate Cal's football operations (and he probably knows that Knowlton is not the guy he can rely on to get the job done and has already lost the confidence of Cal's big donors who are critical to turning things around}. Ron's job is to hook up with the big donors and increase their number and the size of their donations. This is a common approach to turning around any business venture that is in trouble. That is why Ron is such an integral part of improving Cal football. If Chancellor Lyons cannot get 'buy in' by the big donors (i.e. big investors) and cannot increase the size of the investments his efforts are doomed to failure.

So many on this board want Knowlton and JW gone. But who will pay for it and for hiring a new AD and HC. The answer from the posters on this board is "someone else not me'. Chancellor Lyons cannot work with that answer and needs some one to say "we will'.

After that. Chancellor needs to find someone who can do the job of AD and HC.]

Cal Football still has a long way to go. But we are on the move and headed in the right direction. Just be glad we are not where so many "Brianiacs" on this board had wanted to be with Troy Taylor as our Head Coach.

By the way. My love for Cal has no preconditions. Every season i buy FOUR season tix and give to CAL. I recognize that some on this board do not agree and want to punish Cal for doing things that they disagree with.
I understand why they are doing that. I am not saying they are wrong.

But personally I am thankful for all that Cal has given to me as a football fan and as a student. I began watching Cal football when Marv Levy was HC. There have been some trying times. But i remain always a TRUE BLUE.

In all those years this is the first time i sense a real commitment on the part of the Administration to support Cal Football (not just with the Ron's hiring but also with commitments from the Chancellor). i am grateful for that.
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The bottom line is did Chancellor Lyons overpromise and underdeliver?

The introduction of Rivera via Zoom with his respectful platitudes of Jim Knowlton as an AD that has "been here before" and having RR report to JK sadly begs more questions, than provides answers.

Im probably not alone in my fear that if Chancellor Lyons really "gets it" this introduction of a Cal legend would have been handled in a much different way.

Because this Zoom presser sure appeared to "walk back" what had been promised.


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BearlyCareAnymore said:

Alkiadt said:

BearlyCareAnymore said:

Shocky1 said:

callfey, agreed that the zoom call wuz just weird as **** with an unlikeable knowlton fiddling with the bureaucratic paperwork on his desk looking very uncomfortable, lyons acting like a stoner who can't quite read the room nodding while the con artist speaks when literally every donor is just shaking his/her head in disbelief & ron putting up a brave face letting us know that jimmy has been an athletic director "for a while"

but there's honestly no tomorrow for cal football unless the chancellor empowers rivera as the football general manager 100% separate from the athletic department in all facets including marketing & the selling (or FREE in the case of berkeley students) of tixs, kevin kennedy is the proxy negotiator of this deal for almost literally every donor such as greg richardson who has finally had enough donating/supporting failed knowlton run programs including his beloved men's basketball program...the buck finally stops here

shocky doesn't need to write cal's monster offensive line (while is really just a love letter to our football bears, it could be in it's final days) or go to every cal football game both in berkeley & further afar in the fall of 2025 to be a happy yoga/meditation substitute yoga teacher at modern yoga while fundraising for local doggy dogs & continuing his quest to play the world's top 100 golf courses

so there's really no panic at the disco, the people have spoken & they've had enough...either lyons is gonna empower rivera (which includes firing wilcox/longwell after this season if they underperform again) & then either appointing himself or bryan harsin as the head coach (with the majority of the staff including coaches retained with rolo becoming the offensive coordinator) or nothing changes (other than rivera quitting sooner than later, this is NOT the deal he thought he wuz signing up for) & cal football is internally relegated with zero financial support from donors/season tix holders

kevin kennedy will let us know if he, lance cooper & the haas/goldman family are still all in on cal football, we will follow his lead...walking central park in the fall on the way to dinner/a broadway show with my daughter taylor is always a lotta FUN

the ball is truly in rich's court & every day he waits to do the right thing the more he jeopardizes the final future of berkeley well beyond athletics & the existential financial tsunami so clearly outlined by uc chancellor drake barrels toward berkeley while the lyon sleeps on pride rock
It appears to me that they have really miscalculated with hiring Rivera. For a long time Cal football has been a cycle of downward spiral, alums getting ticked off, administration doing some gesture that sounds like a new beginning but is ultimately meaningless, that placates the alums for a while who so desperatly want things to be better that they believe no matter how many times Lucy pulls the football, Lucy pulls the football, downward spiral, alums get ticked off, repeat. Usually they buy 3-5 years at a time.

It is looking like the Rivera hire may have just been upping the ante on the meaningless gesture. I think the miscalculation is that it promised too much. Too big a change. Gave too much hope. They couldn't cover up the fact that they weren't really doing what is promised. The alums walked back to get ready to kick that football, turned around and Lucy had already pulled it. Alums aren't that stupid.

Alums expected Rivera to run the thing. What they are getting is Rivera as a front man for the same old thing simply for marketing purposes. They drastically overpromised and under delivered. Frankly, it feels like the Rivera hire is simply designed to try and save Knowlton.

It is very clear that Knowlton is hated and nothing less than his head on a platter is going to fly. I don't know if the administration just doesn't understand that or there is some other reason they are protecting him. I guess we will soon see, because I think the Rivera hire has not only not released the pressure as they had hoped but has brought the whole situation to a head.


I want to believe that Lyons is taking direction from UC lawyers regarding the Knowlton issue.
I'll bet there have been ongoing delayed decisions based on multiple legal issues.
I'm a lawyer so I respect legal analysis. Legal advice is always only one piece of an analysis. Any lawyer who works for a business knows that smart business people look at all sides. The lawyer's job is to advise on legal risk. Most of us have been in the position many times where you are telling management they have a $100K risk and the way to eliminate that risk is to not do the $1M deal. And we know what the answer will be and should be.

Not my area of expertise, but I honestly can't fathom what the huge risk is here beyond paying his buyout, unless Knowlton has the goods on people higher up and they are effectively paying to shut him up.

However, whatever the lawyers are advising is the legal risk, you don't just say "well, the lawyers say 'no', so I guess I can't." Whatever the legal risk is to firing Knowlton, it has to be balanced by the costs, opportunity and otherwise, of not firing Knowlton. If Lyons is taking direction from the lawyers and not challenging that, he is a fool. It is essentially like not performing CPR on someone whose heart has stopped because you are afraid you will break their ribs. Cal is getting killed here. It is bleeding out. Worrying about what should be containable legal risk while the program dies is not how you work with your lawyers. (and frankly, any good lawyer should say "you might consider whether it is worth the risk")
This is a great post. Many of us have seen "lawyer run" companies that make poor decisions (or are paralyzed into inaction) because of "legal' risks. Many lawyers are completely risk averse and don't consider the bigger picture - particularly in a large finger pointing bureaucracy like UC. What is the upside in the lawyer or mid-level management in taking risks, particularly when they don't care about Cal athletics?

If the swimming lawsuits and/or Knowlton's contract are the reasons he has not been fired, then Lyon needs to make a business decision as to whether those issues justify Cal no longer having D-1 football and basketball programs. With further realignment coming, those are the stakes. And I assume Cal is self insured to some extent with reinsurance, . . . so what is the real risk/cost of the litigation?





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GivemTheAxe said:

sycasey said:

This is about as outwardly harsh as I've ever seen a BI article be towards the Cal administration. Seems warranted, though!
Typi-CAL.
We finally get one BIG thing that we have long wanted and still we ask "Yeah but what about...."
My perspective is different. What I see as "typi-CAL" is that the best available proxies for fan/alum/donor sentiment about the athletic department (Sebastabear and the BI owners) seemed to tell the administration in no uncertain terms that in order to keep them happy and willing to keep stumping for donations, they needed to see that the football program would be taken away from Knowlton and put fully under Rivera's leadership. And then the administration . . . did not do that. They went only halfway there, at best.

That's typi-CAL: being given a very clear course of action that will help bring more money and interest to the program and then trying to slow-walk it. Why not just do it now? Someone else's feelings will be hurt? It's going to happen eventually anyway!

(If you'd like to further read my newsletter, I have similar thoughts about the Democratic Party.)
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Hello Ron Rivera and good bye Jim Knowlton.. As I see it, Rivera will be put in charge of getting the football team squared away, talent wise and financially. He will also closely observe Wilcox performance over the next few years. I think ultimately he will take over for Knowlton who is in over his head and has no idea of how to compete in today's college world of athletics. I welcome this change.
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sycasey said:

GivemTheAxe said:

sycasey said:

This is about as outwardly harsh as I've ever seen a BI article be towards the Cal administration. Seems warranted, though!
Typi-CAL.
We finally get one BIG thing that we have long wanted and still we ask "Yeah but what about...."
My perspective is different. What I see as "typi-CAL" is that the best available proxies for fan/alum/donor sentiment about the athletic department (Sebastabear and the BI owners) seemed to tell the administration in no uncertain terms that in order to keep them happy and willing to keep stumping for donations, they needed to see that the football program would be taken away from Knowlton and put fully under Rivera's leadership. And then the administration . . . did not do that. They went only halfway there, at best.

That's typi-CAL: being given a very clear course of action that will help bring more money and interest to the program and then trying to slow-walk it. Why not just do it now? Someone else's feelings will be hurt? It's going to happen eventually anyway!

(If you'd like to further read my newsletter, I have similar thoughts about the Democratic Party.)
I disagree that Chancellor should have come in guns blazing and immediately fired Knowlton. That appears to be the approach taken by Elon Musk come in chopping heads before he figures out what they do and how well or poorly they do it. "Oh Oh we fired the people who take care of our nuclear warheads."

i have done legal work for respected "turn around experts" who save struggling businesses You don't start firing people until you have had a chance to assess them and their work. Their strengths and weaknesses. This doesn't take all that long (because turn around experts must act quickly before the ship they are turning around sinks or crashes ) I expect heads to roll and people to be let go or reassigned (if they have some value) or kept on (if they are doing well).

We will know soon enough if Chancellor Lyons was BS-ing us or if he really meant what he said. I prefer to take him at his word. He knows how the business world works. If he was BS-ing us, then shame on him. We are no worse off than we were with his predecessors. -- and we don't have Troy Taylor as our HC.
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GivemTheAxe said:

sycasey said:

GivemTheAxe said:

sycasey said:

This is about as outwardly harsh as I've ever seen a BI article be towards the Cal administration. Seems warranted, though!
Typi-CAL.
We finally get one BIG thing that we have long wanted and still we ask "Yeah but what about...."
My perspective is different. What I see as "typi-CAL" is that the best available proxies for fan/alum/donor sentiment about the athletic department (Sebastabear and the BI owners) seemed to tell the administration in no uncertain terms that in order to keep them happy and willing to keep stumping for donations, they needed to see that the football program would be taken away from Knowlton and put fully under Rivera's leadership. And then the administration . . . did not do that. They went only halfway there, at best.

That's typi-CAL: being given a very clear course of action that will help bring more money and interest to the program and then trying to slow-walk it. Why not just do it now? Someone else's feelings will be hurt? It's going to happen eventually anyway!

(If you'd like to further read my newsletter, I have similar thoughts about the Democratic Party.)
I disagree that Chancellor should have come in guns blazing and immediately fired Knowlton. That appears to be the approach taken by Elon Musk come in chopping heads before he figures out what they do and how well or poorly they do it. "Oh Oh we fired the people who take care of our nuclear warheads."

i have done legal work for respected "turn around experts" who save struggling businesses You don't start firing people until you have had a chance to assess them and their work. Their strengths and weaknesses. This doesn't take all that long (because turn around experts must act quickly before the ship they are turning around sinks or crashes ) I expect heads to roll and people to be let go or reassigned (if they have some value) or kept on (if they are doing well).

We will know soon enough if Chancellor Lyons was BS-ing us or if he really meant what he said. I prefer to take him at his word. He knows how the business world works. If he was BS-ing us, then shame on him. We are no worse off than we were with his predecessors. -- and we don't have Troy Taylor as our HC.


The ask was not necessarily to fire Knowlton, it was to ensure that the football program was entirely under Rivera's control.

But sure, I hope steps are taken very quickly after this hire.
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BearlyCareAnymore said:

It appears to me that they have really miscalculated with hiring Rivera. For a long time Cal football has been a cycle of downward spiral, alums getting ticked off, administration doing some gesture that sounds like a new beginning but is ultimately meaningless, that placates the alums for a while who so desperatly want things to be better that they believe no matter how many times Lucy pulls the football, Lucy pulls the football, downward spiral, alums get ticked off, repeat. Usually they buy 3-5 years at a time.

It is looking like the Rivera hire may have just been upping the ante on the meaningless gesture. I think the miscalculation is that it promised too much. Too big a change. Gave too much hope. They couldn't cover up the fact that they weren't really doing what is promised. The alums walked back to get ready to kick that football, turned around and Lucy had already pulled it. Alums aren't that stupid.

Alums expected Rivera to run the thing. What they are getting is Rivera as a front man for the same old thing simply for marketing purposes. They drastically overpromised and under delivered. Frankly, it feels like the Rivera hire is simply designed to try and save Knowlton.

It is very clear that Knowlton is hated and nothing less than his head on a platter is going to fly. I don't know if the administration just doesn't understand that or there is some other reason they are protecting him. I guess we will soon see, because I think the Rivera hire has not only not released the pressure as they had hoped but has brought the whole situation to a head.


I guess it shouldn't surprise me, but part of me is actually surprised that more long-time fans didn't see this coming a mile away. This is a classic Cal move. Add another bureaucrat as a minimum effort move to placate fans while refusing to address the elephant in the room. The more interesting question to ask is not why Cal pulled the football away, but why Rivera is willing to come into a position with no real apparent power.

I am however deeply amused at the donors though who have been convinced that they could fundraise themselves around the combined Wilcox/Knowlton problem until the numbers to pay them to go away got to a point where they could fundraise for that buyout. Surprise!

Cal chancellors historically have not been agents of major change. They hang around the institution for a while, nibble around the edges of change, and then move on. I would be utterly shocked if Lyons ends up being any more than another in a long line of over-hyped, under-delivering chancellors. I do think ultimately Rivera will have the authority people want him to have, but it will come after Knowlton is gone and not before.

The one thing I disagree with you on is that Rivera is not here to save Knowlton's job. Knowlton is dead man walking. But Cal is a university ultimately run by lawyers and they will be overly cautious and slow in dealing with Knowlton. And certainly if Wilcox ends being the one to go first, Knowlton's voice will be almost entirely irrelevant in determining who the next head coach is. Rivera will be the most important voice at that point.
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GivemTheAxe said:

sycasey said:

GivemTheAxe said:

sycasey said:

This is about as outwardly harsh as I've ever seen a BI article be towards the Cal administration. Seems warranted, though!
Typi-CAL.
We finally get one BIG thing that we have long wanted and still we ask "Yeah but what about...."
My perspective is different. What I see as "typi-CAL" is that the best available proxies for fan/alum/donor sentiment about the athletic department (Sebastabear and the BI owners) seemed to tell the administration in no uncertain terms that in order to keep them happy and willing to keep stumping for donations, they needed to see that the football program would be taken away from Knowlton and put fully under Rivera's leadership. And then the administration . . . did not do that. They went only halfway there, at best.

That's typi-CAL: being given a very clear course of action that will help bring more money and interest to the program and then trying to slow-walk it. Why not just do it now? Someone else's feelings will be hurt? It's going to happen eventually anyway!

(If you'd like to further read my newsletter, I have similar thoughts about the Democratic Party.)
I disagree that Chancellor should have come in guns blazing and immediately fired Knowlton. That appears to be the approach taken by Elon Musk come in chopping heads before he figures out what they do and how well or poorly they do it. "Oh Oh we fired the people who take care of our nuclear warheads."

i have done legal work for respected "turn around experts" who save struggling businesses You don't start firing people until you have had a chance to assess them and their work. Their strengths and weaknesses. This doesn't take all that long (because turn around experts must act quickly before the ship they are turning around sinks or crashes ) I expect heads to roll and people to be let go or reassigned (if they have some value) or kept on (if they are doing well).

We will know soon enough if Chancellor Lyons was BS-ing us or if he really meant what he said. I prefer to take him at his word. He knows how the business world works. If he was BS-ing us, then shame on him. We are no worse off than we were with his predecessors. -- and we don't have Troy Taylor as our HC.

He has been chancellor for almost 9 months. That is "guns blazing"?. Do your turn around experts take 9 months to assess? You don't think he could assess Knowlton in 9 months? You say it doesn't take long. How long do you think it should take?

I've worked through 5 mergers/acquisitions in my time which I realize is somewhat different. The 3 that were successful had their organizational/personnel decisions done within 2 months. The 2 that weren't took 6-12 months. Lyons knows what Knowlton's record is and he has observed him through a full football season and basketball season. This is way too long to be completing this assessment unless the assessment is complete and status quo is reigning.
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As Dean of the Haas School of Business, Lyons had a reputation as someone who likes to be a morale boosting cheerleader. He also was known as someone who could not deal with difficult situations, and delegated unpleasant tasks to his minions. Perhaps in his dealings with Knowlton, we are seeing this tendency. Lyons shows up at football games and leads the students in cheers, and dances with Oski on the Sproul steps, but can't bring himself to deal with the unpleasantness of firing a member of his cabinet or at least sidelining him from oversight of the football program.
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BearlyCareAnymore said:

GivemTheAxe said:

sycasey said:

GivemTheAxe said:

sycasey said:

This is about as outwardly harsh as I've ever seen a BI article be towards the Cal administration. Seems warranted, though!
Typi-CAL.
We finally get one BIG thing that we have long wanted and still we ask "Yeah but what about...."
My perspective is different. What I see as "typi-CAL" is that the best available proxies for fan/alum/donor sentiment about the athletic department (Sebastabear and the BI owners) seemed to tell the administration in no uncertain terms that in order to keep them happy and willing to keep stumping for donations, they needed to see that the football program would be taken away from Knowlton and put fully under Rivera's leadership. And then the administration . . . did not do that. They went only halfway there, at best.

That's typi-CAL: being given a very clear course of action that will help bring more money and interest to the program and then trying to slow-walk it. Why not just do it now? Someone else's feelings will be hurt? It's going to happen eventually anyway!

(If you'd like to further read my newsletter, I have similar thoughts about the Democratic Party.)
I disagree that Chancellor should have come in guns blazing and immediately fired Knowlton. That appears to be the approach taken by Elon Musk come in chopping heads before he figures out what they do and how well or poorly they do it. "Oh Oh we fired the people who take care of our nuclear warheads."

i have done legal work for respected "turn around experts" who save struggling businesses You don't start firing people until you have had a chance to assess them and their work. Their strengths and weaknesses. This doesn't take all that long (because turn around experts must act quickly before the ship they are turning around sinks or crashes ) I expect heads to roll and people to be let go or reassigned (if they have some value) or kept on (if they are doing well).

We will know soon enough if Chancellor Lyons was BS-ing us or if he really meant what he said. I prefer to take him at his word. He knows how the business world works. If he was BS-ing us, then shame on him. We are no worse off than we were with his predecessors. -- and we don't have Troy Taylor as our HC.

He has been chancellor for almost 9 months. That is "guns blazing"?. Do your turn around experts take 9 months to assess? You don't think he could assess Knowlton in 9 months? You say it doesn't take long. How long do you think it should take?

I've worked through 5 mergers/acquisitions in my time which I realize is somewhat different. The 3 that were successful had their organizational/personnel decisions done within 2 months. The 2 that weren't took 6-12 months. Lyons knows what Knowlton's record is and he has observed him through a full football season and basketball season. This is way too long to be completing this assessment unless the assessment is complete and status quo is reigning.


You forget. Lyons was hired to take over the ENTIRE Cal campus.
He was NOT hired to focus entirely on Cal Football.
This is no way comparable to a merger acquisition there are way more moving parts, way more players (each with their competing interests) and way more money involved.

I have heard him speak several times in the past few months. He has been developing plans for the ENTIRE Cal Campus. He said he plans to be here for TEN years.

[Lyons job has been made even harder thanks to the Chaos created by the current administration in Washington DC. ]
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BearlyCareAnymore said:

Shocky1 said:

callfey, agreed that the zoom call wuz just weird as **** with an unlikeable knowlton fiddling with the bureaucratic paperwork on his desk looking very uncomfortable, lyons acting like a stoner who can't quite read the room nodding while the con artist speaks when literally every donor is just shaking his/her head in disbelief & ron putting up a brave face letting us know that jimmy has been an athletic director "for a while"

but there's honestly no tomorrow for cal football unless the chancellor empowers rivera as the football general manager 100% separate from the athletic department in all facets including marketing & the selling (or FREE in the case of berkeley students) of tixs, kevin kennedy is the proxy negotiator of this deal for almost literally every donor such as greg richardson who has finally had enough donating/supporting failed knowlton run programs including his beloved men's basketball program...the buck finally stops here

shocky doesn't need to write cal's monster offensive line (while is really just a love letter to our football bears, it could be in it's final days) or go to every cal football game both in berkeley & further afar in the fall of 2025 to be a happy yoga/meditation substitute yoga teacher at modern yoga while fundraising for local doggy dogs & continuing his quest to play the world's top 100 golf courses

so there's really no panic at the disco, the people have spoken & they've had enough...either lyons is gonna empower rivera (which includes firing wilcox/longwell after this season if they underperform again) & then either appointing himself or bryan harsin as the head coach (with the majority of the staff including coaches retained with rolo becoming the offensive coordinator) or nothing changes (other than rivera quitting sooner than later, this is NOT the deal he thought he wuz signing up for) & cal football is internally relegated with zero financial support from donors/season tix holders

kevin kennedy will let us know if he, lance cooper & the haas/goldman family are still all in on cal football, we will follow his lead...walking central park in the fall on the way to dinner/a broadway show with my daughter taylor is always a lotta FUN

the ball is truly in rich's court & every day he waits to do the right thing the more he jeopardizes the final future of berkeley well beyond athletics & the existential financial tsunami so clearly outlined by uc chancellor drake barrels toward berkeley while the lyon sleeps on pride rock
It appears to me that they have really miscalculated with hiring Rivera. For a long time Cal football has been a cycle of downward spiral, alums getting ticked off, administration doing some gesture that sounds like a new beginning but is ultimately meaningless, that placates the alums for a while who so desperatly want things to be better that they believe no matter how many times Lucy pulls the football, Lucy pulls the football, downward spiral, alums get ticked off, repeat. Usually they buy 3-5 years at a time.

It is looking like the Rivera hire may have just been upping the ante on the meaningless gesture. I think the miscalculation is that it promised too much. Too big a change. Gave too much hope. They couldn't cover up the fact that they weren't really doing what is promised. The alums walked back to get ready to kick that football, turned around and Lucy had already pulled it. Alums aren't that stupid.

Alums expected Rivera to run the thing. What they are getting is Rivera as a front man for the same old thing simply for marketing purposes. They drastically overpromised and under delivered. Frankly, it feels like the Rivera hire is simply designed to try and save Knowlton.

It is very clear that Knowlton is hated and nothing less than his head on a platter is going to fly. I don't know if the administration just doesn't understand that or there is some other reason they are protecting him. I guess we will soon see, because I think the Rivera hire has not only not released the pressure as they had hoped but has brought the whole situation to a head.
Just to make sure that i had not misunderstood what the Chancellor and Ron Rivera and Knowlton were saying, i went back and watched again to the interview of those three. i heard nothing that conflicted with what the chancellor has been saying to the public and to the Cal Fans.
1. We are making an investment in Cal football
2. We need those investments to pay off
3. We will be judged by excellence on the field. It is all about WINNING.
4. He wants to give the students and fans a reason to come out the games by WINNING

In addition the Chancellor repeated what i have heard about Ron Rivera's role.
1 He is here to get big donors off the sidelines and to open up their wallets.

But i really liked what the Chancellor said about Ron Rivera's role.
1. He is here to help Wilcox with advice.
2. He is here to use his experience in selecting players and player development
3. He is here to help develop player retention (not just money but opportunities that Cal can give them favorable opportunities after playing football).
4 He is here to help the AD.
5. He is here to help the Chancellor as he would help a team owner.

[To me all those listed items means (i) Ron won't be calling the plays for JW but he will be evaluating the plays called by JW and whether JW should have been better. (ii) Ron wont be calling the shots for the AD but will be evaluating how good a job the AD is doing.]


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I do not think that the decision to hire Rivera was miscalculated. it was the very reason why Rivera was hired.
The video interview was of course an all-around friendly call with nice things being said about JW and Knowlton. These introductory calls do not begin "I'm here to kick a** and chew gum and i am all out of gum."
But there was a clear message being sent to both JW and Knowlton. No more excuses. WIN.
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give the axe, u r missing the most important point, the donor community is walking away from cal football (which will then hasten the athletic department's road to bankruptcy) unless rivera is granted oversight over the entire football program including wilcox, the gameday experience, etc

kevin kennedy is the KEY proxy in these discussions based upon my conversations with donors in the last 24 hours, if he walks away then the bears whale donor lance cooper & the vast majority of the esp donors including shocky r done with cal football forevah & rivera will return to the nfl

did u read greg richardson's editorial at this site??...loyal bears like him are ******* done with the status quo & knowlton

axey, nobody gives 2 ***** about lyon's words re: winning, rich is being judged right now based upon his actions (or lack of action)

this is all gonna play out in the very near future
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BearGoggles said:

BearlyCareAnymore said:

Alkiadt said:

BearlyCareAnymore said:

Shocky1 said:

callfey, agreed that the zoom call wuz just weird as **** with an unlikeable knowlton fiddling with the bureaucratic paperwork on his desk looking very uncomfortable, lyons acting like a stoner who can't quite read the room nodding while the con artist speaks when literally every donor is just shaking his/her head in disbelief & ron putting up a brave face letting us know that jimmy has been an athletic director "for a while"

but there's honestly no tomorrow for cal football unless the chancellor empowers rivera as the football general manager 100% separate from the athletic department in all facets including marketing & the selling (or FREE in the case of berkeley students) of tixs, kevin kennedy is the proxy negotiator of this deal for almost literally every donor such as greg richardson who has finally had enough donating/supporting failed knowlton run programs including his beloved men's basketball program...the buck finally stops here

shocky doesn't need to write cal's monster offensive line (while is really just a love letter to our football bears, it could be in it's final days) or go to every cal football game both in berkeley & further afar in the fall of 2025 to be a happy yoga/meditation substitute yoga teacher at modern yoga while fundraising for local doggy dogs & continuing his quest to play the world's top 100 golf courses

so there's really no panic at the disco, the people have spoken & they've had enough...either lyons is gonna empower rivera (which includes firing wilcox/longwell after this season if they underperform again) & then either appointing himself or bryan harsin as the head coach (with the majority of the staff including coaches retained with rolo becoming the offensive coordinator) or nothing changes (other than rivera quitting sooner than later, this is NOT the deal he thought he wuz signing up for) & cal football is internally relegated with zero financial support from donors/season tix holders

kevin kennedy will let us know if he, lance cooper & the haas/goldman family are still all in on cal football, we will follow his lead...walking central park in the fall on the way to dinner/a broadway show with my daughter taylor is always a lotta FUN

the ball is truly in rich's court & every day he waits to do the right thing the more he jeopardizes the final future of berkeley well beyond athletics & the existential financial tsunami so clearly outlined by uc chancellor drake barrels toward berkeley while the lyon sleeps on pride rock
It appears to me that they have really miscalculated with hiring Rivera. For a long time Cal football has been a cycle of downward spiral, alums getting ticked off, administration doing some gesture that sounds like a new beginning but is ultimately meaningless, that placates the alums for a while who so desperatly want things to be better that they believe no matter how many times Lucy pulls the football, Lucy pulls the football, downward spiral, alums get ticked off, repeat. Usually they buy 3-5 years at a time.

It is looking like the Rivera hire may have just been upping the ante on the meaningless gesture. I think the miscalculation is that it promised too much. Too big a change. Gave too much hope. They couldn't cover up the fact that they weren't really doing what is promised. The alums walked back to get ready to kick that football, turned around and Lucy had already pulled it. Alums aren't that stupid.

Alums expected Rivera to run the thing. What they are getting is Rivera as a front man for the same old thing simply for marketing purposes. They drastically overpromised and under delivered. Frankly, it feels like the Rivera hire is simply designed to try and save Knowlton.

It is very clear that Knowlton is hated and nothing less than his head on a platter is going to fly. I don't know if the administration just doesn't understand that or there is some other reason they are protecting him. I guess we will soon see, because I think the Rivera hire has not only not released the pressure as they had hoped but has brought the whole situation to a head.


I want to believe that Lyons is taking direction from UC lawyers regarding the Knowlton issue.
I'll bet there have been ongoing delayed decisions based on multiple legal issues.
I'm a lawyer so I respect legal analysis. Legal advice is always only one piece of an analysis. Any lawyer who works for a business knows that smart business people look at all sides. The lawyer's job is to advise on legal risk. Most of us have been in the position many times where you are telling management they have a $100K risk and the way to eliminate that risk is to not do the $1M deal. And we know what the answer will be and should be.

Not my area of expertise, but I honestly can't fathom what the huge risk is here beyond paying his buyout, unless Knowlton has the goods on people higher up and they are effectively paying to shut him up.

However, whatever the lawyers are advising is the legal risk, you don't just say "well, the lawyers say 'no', so I guess I can't." Whatever the legal risk is to firing Knowlton, it has to be balanced by the costs, opportunity and otherwise, of not firing Knowlton. If Lyons is taking direction from the lawyers and not challenging that, he is a fool. It is essentially like not performing CPR on someone whose heart has stopped because you are afraid you will break their ribs. Cal is getting killed here. It is bleeding out. Worrying about what should be containable legal risk while the program dies is not how you work with your lawyers. (and frankly, any good lawyer should say "you might consider whether it is worth the risk")
This is a great post. Many of us have seen "lawyer run" companies that make poor decisions (or are paralyzed into inaction) because of "legal' risks. Many lawyers are completely risk averse and don't consider the bigger picture - particularly in a large finger pointing bureaucracy like UC. What is the upside in the lawyer or mid-level management in taking risks, particularly when they don't care about Cal athletics?

If the swimming lawsuits and/or Knowlton's contract are the reasons he has not been fired, then Lyon needs to make a business decision as to whether those issues justify Cal no longer having D-1 football and basketball programs. With further realignment coming, those are the stakes. And I assume Cal is self insured to some extent with reinsurance, . . . so what is the real risk/cost of the litigation?



The crazy thing about claims "The McKeever Lawsuits" being the reason Knowlton is not fired is that the swimmer's and their parent's complaints were almost as much about Knowlton as McKeever. He ignored and dismissed their reports of abuse. excusing McKeever as "a tough coach" that "one day your will be grateful for." He extended McKeever's contract even after reports of abuse and racism were made. McKeever is using that fact in her lawsuit against the university, that Knowlton knew about her behavior and did nothing, condoned it even. It seems to me that by retaining Knowlton, Cal only increases its liabilities in the lawsuits from the swimmers and from McKeever.

Frankly, if they are retaining Knowlton as part of a plan to deny the swimmers' claims in court, I find that both immoral and stupid. Far better to fire Knowlton and blame him for violating university, state and Federal policies and laws.

And even IF you are retaining Knowlton for a dubious legal strategy, it does not stop you from having Wilcox report to Rivera, or Rivera report to Lyons. It does not mean you have to have Knowlton on the Zoom (Wilcox wasn't), talk him up, etc.
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Shocky1 said:

give the axe, u r missing the most important point, the donor community is walking away from cal football (which will then hasten the athletic department's road to bankruptcy) unless rivera is granted oversight over the entire football program including wilcox, the gameday experience, etc

kevin kennedy is the KEY proxy in these discussions based upon my conversations with donors in the last 24 hours, if he walks away then the bears whale donor lance cooper & the vast majority of the esp donors including shocky r done with cal football forevah & rivera will return to the nfl

did u read greg richardson's editorial at this site??...loyal bears like him are ******* done with the status quo & knowlton

axey, nobody gives 2 ***** about lyon's words re: winning, rich is being judged right now based upon his actions (or lack of action)

this is all gonna play out in the very near future


We agree about at least one thing. This is going to play out in the near future. If Cal football doesn't show significant improvement (no more 6-6 seasons) and if Cal Big Donors don't start stepping up this season, heads will roll. [and I don't mean the Chancellor's head]
JW and Knowlton are on the hot seat.


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calumnus said:

BearGoggles said:

BearlyCareAnymore said:

Alkiadt said:

BearlyCareAnymore said:

Shocky1 said:

callfey, agreed that the zoom call wuz just weird as **** with an unlikeable knowlton fiddling with the bureaucratic paperwork on his desk looking very uncomfortable, lyons acting like a stoner who can't quite read the room nodding while the con artist speaks when literally every donor is just shaking his/her head in disbelief & ron putting up a brave face letting us know that jimmy has been an athletic director "for a while"

but there's honestly no tomorrow for cal football unless the chancellor empowers rivera as the football general manager 100% separate from the athletic department in all facets including marketing & the selling (or FREE in the case of berkeley students) of tixs, kevin kennedy is the proxy negotiator of this deal for almost literally every donor such as greg richardson who has finally had enough donating/supporting failed knowlton run programs including his beloved men's basketball program...the buck finally stops here

shocky doesn't need to write cal's monster offensive line (while is really just a love letter to our football bears, it could be in it's final days) or go to every cal football game both in berkeley & further afar in the fall of 2025 to be a happy yoga/meditation substitute yoga teacher at modern yoga while fundraising for local doggy dogs & continuing his quest to play the world's top 100 golf courses

so there's really no panic at the disco, the people have spoken & they've had enough...either lyons is gonna empower rivera (which includes firing wilcox/longwell after this season if they underperform again) & then either appointing himself or bryan harsin as the head coach (with the majority of the staff including coaches retained with rolo becoming the offensive coordinator) or nothing changes (other than rivera quitting sooner than later, this is NOT the deal he thought he wuz signing up for) & cal football is internally relegated with zero financial support from donors/season tix holders

kevin kennedy will let us know if he, lance cooper & the haas/goldman family are still all in on cal football, we will follow his lead...walking central park in the fall on the way to dinner/a broadway show with my daughter taylor is always a lotta FUN

the ball is truly in rich's court & every day he waits to do the right thing the more he jeopardizes the final future of berkeley well beyond athletics & the existential financial tsunami so clearly outlined by uc chancellor drake barrels toward berkeley while the lyon sleeps on pride rock
It appears to me that they have really miscalculated with hiring Rivera. For a long time Cal football has been a cycle of downward spiral, alums getting ticked off, administration doing some gesture that sounds like a new beginning but is ultimately meaningless, that placates the alums for a while who so desperatly want things to be better that they believe no matter how many times Lucy pulls the football, Lucy pulls the football, downward spiral, alums get ticked off, repeat. Usually they buy 3-5 years at a time.

It is looking like the Rivera hire may have just been upping the ante on the meaningless gesture. I think the miscalculation is that it promised too much. Too big a change. Gave too much hope. They couldn't cover up the fact that they weren't really doing what is promised. The alums walked back to get ready to kick that football, turned around and Lucy had already pulled it. Alums aren't that stupid.

Alums expected Rivera to run the thing. What they are getting is Rivera as a front man for the same old thing simply for marketing purposes. They drastically overpromised and under delivered. Frankly, it feels like the Rivera hire is simply designed to try and save Knowlton.

It is very clear that Knowlton is hated and nothing less than his head on a platter is going to fly. I don't know if the administration just doesn't understand that or there is some other reason they are protecting him. I guess we will soon see, because I think the Rivera hire has not only not released the pressure as they had hoped but has brought the whole situation to a head.


I want to believe that Lyons is taking direction from UC lawyers regarding the Knowlton issue.
I'll bet there have been ongoing delayed decisions based on multiple legal issues.
I'm a lawyer so I respect legal analysis. Legal advice is always only one piece of an analysis. Any lawyer who works for a business knows that smart business people look at all sides. The lawyer's job is to advise on legal risk. Most of us have been in the position many times where you are telling management they have a $100K risk and the way to eliminate that risk is to not do the $1M deal. And we know what the answer will be and should be.

Not my area of expertise, but I honestly can't fathom what the huge risk is here beyond paying his buyout, unless Knowlton has the goods on people higher up and they are effectively paying to shut him up.

However, whatever the lawyers are advising is the legal risk, you don't just say "well, the lawyers say 'no', so I guess I can't." Whatever the legal risk is to firing Knowlton, it has to be balanced by the costs, opportunity and otherwise, of not firing Knowlton. If Lyons is taking direction from the lawyers and not challenging that, he is a fool. It is essentially like not performing CPR on someone whose heart has stopped because you are afraid you will break their ribs. Cal is getting killed here. It is bleeding out. Worrying about what should be containable legal risk while the program dies is not how you work with your lawyers. (and frankly, any good lawyer should say "you might consider whether it is worth the risk")
This is a great post. Many of us have seen "lawyer run" companies that make poor decisions (or are paralyzed into inaction) because of "legal' risks. Many lawyers are completely risk averse and don't consider the bigger picture - particularly in a large finger pointing bureaucracy like UC. What is the upside in the lawyer or mid-level management in taking risks, particularly when they don't care about Cal athletics?

If the swimming lawsuits and/or Knowlton's contract are the reasons he has not been fired, then Lyon needs to make a business decision as to whether those issues justify Cal no longer having D-1 football and basketball programs. With further realignment coming, those are the stakes. And I assume Cal is self insured to some extent with reinsurance, . . . so what is the real risk/cost of the litigation?



The crazy thing about claims "The McKeever Lawsuits" being the reason Knowlton is not fired is that the swimmer's and their parent's complaints were almost as much about Knowlton as McKeever. He ignored and dismissed their reports of abuse. excusing McKeever as "a tough coach" that "one day your will be grateful for." He extended McKeever's contract even after reports of abuse and racism were made. McKeever is using that fact in her lawsuit against the university, that Knowlton knew about her behavior and did nothing, condoned it even. It seems to me that by retaining Knowlton, Cal only increases its liabilities in the lawsuits from the swimmers and from McKeever.

Frankly, if they are retaining Knowlton as part of a plan to deny the swimmers' claims in court, I find that both immoral and stupid. Far better to fire Knowlton and blame him for violating university, state and Federal policies and laws.

And even IF you are retaining Knowlton for a dubious legal strategy, it does not stop you from having Wilcox report to Rivera, or Rivera report to Lyons. It does not mean you have to have Knowlton on the Zoom (Wilcox wasn't), talk him up, etc.


Excellent post Calumnus!
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We always make things so much more complicated than they need to be
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GivemTheAxe said:

BearlyCareAnymore said:

GivemTheAxe said:

sycasey said:

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This is about as outwardly harsh as I've ever seen a BI article be towards the Cal administration. Seems warranted, though!
Typi-CAL.
We finally get one BIG thing that we have long wanted and still we ask "Yeah but what about...."
My perspective is different. What I see as "typi-CAL" is that the best available proxies for fan/alum/donor sentiment about the athletic department (Sebastabear and the BI owners) seemed to tell the administration in no uncertain terms that in order to keep them happy and willing to keep stumping for donations, they needed to see that the football program would be taken away from Knowlton and put fully under Rivera's leadership. And then the administration . . . did not do that. They went only halfway there, at best.

That's typi-CAL: being given a very clear course of action that will help bring more money and interest to the program and then trying to slow-walk it. Why not just do it now? Someone else's feelings will be hurt? It's going to happen eventually anyway!

(If you'd like to further read my newsletter, I have similar thoughts about the Democratic Party.)
I disagree that Chancellor should have come in guns blazing and immediately fired Knowlton. That appears to be the approach taken by Elon Musk come in chopping heads before he figures out what they do and how well or poorly they do it. "Oh Oh we fired the people who take care of our nuclear warheads."

i have done legal work for respected "turn around experts" who save struggling businesses You don't start firing people until you have had a chance to assess them and their work. Their strengths and weaknesses. This doesn't take all that long (because turn around experts must act quickly before the ship they are turning around sinks or crashes ) I expect heads to roll and people to be let go or reassigned (if they have some value) or kept on (if they are doing well).

We will know soon enough if Chancellor Lyons was BS-ing us or if he really meant what he said. I prefer to take him at his word. He knows how the business world works. If he was BS-ing us, then shame on him. We are no worse off than we were with his predecessors. -- and we don't have Troy Taylor as our HC.

He has been chancellor for almost 9 months. That is "guns blazing"?. Do your turn around experts take 9 months to assess? You don't think he could assess Knowlton in 9 months? You say it doesn't take long. How long do you think it should take?

I've worked through 5 mergers/acquisitions in my time which I realize is somewhat different. The 3 that were successful had their organizational/personnel decisions done within 2 months. The 2 that weren't took 6-12 months. Lyons knows what Knowlton's record is and he has observed him through a full football season and basketball season. This is way too long to be completing this assessment unless the assessment is complete and status quo is reigning.


You forget. Lyons was hired to take over the ENTIRE Cal campus.
He was NOT hired to focus entirely on Cal Football.
This is no way comparable to a merger acquisition there are way more moving parts, way more players (each with their competing interests) and way more money involved.

I have heard him speak several times in the past few months. He has been developing plans for the ENTIRE Cal Campus. He said he plans to be here for TEN years.

[Lyons job has been made even harder thanks to the Chaos created by the current administration in Washington DC. ]
I don't see that. First of all, most of the merger/acquisitions I was referring to were of organizations that were several multiple times bigger than UC Berkeley. Lyons walked into one organization that was running itself. In the case of a merger you can't just go to your office and ponder because everything needs to be combined. Every department has an executive running it that is now competing with the executive running the same department for the other organization. You need to make immediate personnel decisions from top to bottom. You need to decide what offices to close. You need to evaluate every contract with every supplier to determine which suppliers to keep and where you have two contracts with a supplier, you have to decide which you want to use, or if you just want to renegotiate the whole thing, and tell the supplier. You do that one thing like a thousand times. There is no way it is less complicated to walk into an organization that was running the day before you got there and is now running the day after you got there. If he wanted to change things he needed to start changing things day one. Maybe that wasn't athletics day one, but if athletics is day 270, that shows you what priority that was (not to mention it isn't like there have been a ton of awesome changes overall).

But you didn't answer the question. If 9 months is too quick, when do you think that change should happen? Because it is very easy to just say he couldn't possibly have done it in this amount of time at 9 months, 12 months, 18 months, 5000 years if you never put a stake in the ground and say how long it should take to do a simple thing like evaluate the performance of an athletic director. At what point are we allowed to say this is too long. So I'm asking you to pick a length of time. And the reason isn't to challenge you necessarily. It is because this is what we always get when a new person comes in. We got it with Christ. "I've heard them talk. They are developing plans. Good things are going to happen. The wheels are in motion (deliberate Seinfeld reference). Wait and see." And it never happens.

When Sebasta, the most positive, optimistic, constructive guy around here, is ready to throw down ultimatums, that tells you the confidence level.

And I'm going to be blunt. If your length of time is beyond July (and that is charitable) on firing Knowlton, I can't remotely give that credence. Lyons will have been here a year. He will have seen Knowlton through a whole season. Not to mention it isn't like he knows nothing of what Knowlton has done previously. Most importantly, that means we basically won't have a new AD for the next school year. We are pretty much reaching now or never territory.
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calumnus said:

BearGoggles said:

BearlyCareAnymore said:

Alkiadt said:

BearlyCareAnymore said:

Shocky1 said:

callfey, agreed that the zoom call wuz just weird as **** with an unlikeable knowlton fiddling with the bureaucratic paperwork on his desk looking very uncomfortable, lyons acting like a stoner who can't quite read the room nodding while the con artist speaks when literally every donor is just shaking his/her head in disbelief & ron putting up a brave face letting us know that jimmy has been an athletic director "for a while"

but there's honestly no tomorrow for cal football unless the chancellor empowers rivera as the football general manager 100% separate from the athletic department in all facets including marketing & the selling (or FREE in the case of berkeley students) of tixs, kevin kennedy is the proxy negotiator of this deal for almost literally every donor such as greg richardson who has finally had enough donating/supporting failed knowlton run programs including his beloved men's basketball program...the buck finally stops here

shocky doesn't need to write cal's monster offensive line (while is really just a love letter to our football bears, it could be in it's final days) or go to every cal football game both in berkeley & further afar in the fall of 2025 to be a happy yoga/meditation substitute yoga teacher at modern yoga while fundraising for local doggy dogs & continuing his quest to play the world's top 100 golf courses

so there's really no panic at the disco, the people have spoken & they've had enough...either lyons is gonna empower rivera (which includes firing wilcox/longwell after this season if they underperform again) & then either appointing himself or bryan harsin as the head coach (with the majority of the staff including coaches retained with rolo becoming the offensive coordinator) or nothing changes (other than rivera quitting sooner than later, this is NOT the deal he thought he wuz signing up for) & cal football is internally relegated with zero financial support from donors/season tix holders

kevin kennedy will let us know if he, lance cooper & the haas/goldman family are still all in on cal football, we will follow his lead...walking central park in the fall on the way to dinner/a broadway show with my daughter taylor is always a lotta FUN

the ball is truly in rich's court & every day he waits to do the right thing the more he jeopardizes the final future of berkeley well beyond athletics & the existential financial tsunami so clearly outlined by uc chancellor drake barrels toward berkeley while the lyon sleeps on pride rock
It appears to me that they have really miscalculated with hiring Rivera. For a long time Cal football has been a cycle of downward spiral, alums getting ticked off, administration doing some gesture that sounds like a new beginning but is ultimately meaningless, that placates the alums for a while who so desperatly want things to be better that they believe no matter how many times Lucy pulls the football, Lucy pulls the football, downward spiral, alums get ticked off, repeat. Usually they buy 3-5 years at a time.

It is looking like the Rivera hire may have just been upping the ante on the meaningless gesture. I think the miscalculation is that it promised too much. Too big a change. Gave too much hope. They couldn't cover up the fact that they weren't really doing what is promised. The alums walked back to get ready to kick that football, turned around and Lucy had already pulled it. Alums aren't that stupid.

Alums expected Rivera to run the thing. What they are getting is Rivera as a front man for the same old thing simply for marketing purposes. They drastically overpromised and under delivered. Frankly, it feels like the Rivera hire is simply designed to try and save Knowlton.

It is very clear that Knowlton is hated and nothing less than his head on a platter is going to fly. I don't know if the administration just doesn't understand that or there is some other reason they are protecting him. I guess we will soon see, because I think the Rivera hire has not only not released the pressure as they had hoped but has brought the whole situation to a head.


I want to believe that Lyons is taking direction from UC lawyers regarding the Knowlton issue.
I'll bet there have been ongoing delayed decisions based on multiple legal issues.
I'm a lawyer so I respect legal analysis. Legal advice is always only one piece of an analysis. Any lawyer who works for a business knows that smart business people look at all sides. The lawyer's job is to advise on legal risk. Most of us have been in the position many times where you are telling management they have a $100K risk and the way to eliminate that risk is to not do the $1M deal. And we know what the answer will be and should be.

Not my area of expertise, but I honestly can't fathom what the huge risk is here beyond paying his buyout, unless Knowlton has the goods on people higher up and they are effectively paying to shut him up.

However, whatever the lawyers are advising is the legal risk, you don't just say "well, the lawyers say 'no', so I guess I can't." Whatever the legal risk is to firing Knowlton, it has to be balanced by the costs, opportunity and otherwise, of not firing Knowlton. If Lyons is taking direction from the lawyers and not challenging that, he is a fool. It is essentially like not performing CPR on someone whose heart has stopped because you are afraid you will break their ribs. Cal is getting killed here. It is bleeding out. Worrying about what should be containable legal risk while the program dies is not how you work with your lawyers. (and frankly, any good lawyer should say "you might consider whether it is worth the risk")
This is a great post. Many of us have seen "lawyer run" companies that make poor decisions (or are paralyzed into inaction) because of "legal' risks. Many lawyers are completely risk averse and don't consider the bigger picture - particularly in a large finger pointing bureaucracy like UC. What is the upside in the lawyer or mid-level management in taking risks, particularly when they don't care about Cal athletics?

If the swimming lawsuits and/or Knowlton's contract are the reasons he has not been fired, then Lyon needs to make a business decision as to whether those issues justify Cal no longer having D-1 football and basketball programs. With further realignment coming, those are the stakes. And I assume Cal is self insured to some extent with reinsurance, . . . so what is the real risk/cost of the litigation?



The crazy thing about claims "The McKeever Lawsuits" being the reason Knowlton is not fired is that the swimmer's and their parent's complaints were almost as much about Knowlton as McKeever. He ignored and dismissed their reports of abuse. excusing McKeever as "a tough coach" that "one day your will be grateful for." He extended McKeever's contract even after reports of abuse and racism were made. McKeever is using that fact in her lawsuit against the university, that Knowlton knew about her behavior and did nothing, condoned it even. It seems to me that by retaining Knowlton, Cal only increases its liabilities in the lawsuits from the swimmers and from McKeever.

Frankly, if they are retaining Knowlton as part of a plan to deny the swimmers' claims in court, I find that both immoral and stupid. Far better to fire Knowlton and blame him for violating university, state and Federal policies and laws.

And even IF you are retaining Knowlton for a dubious legal strategy, it does not stop you from having Wilcox report to Rivera, or Rivera report to Lyons. It does not mean you have to have Knowlton on the Zoom (Wilcox wasn't), talk him up, etc.
There are only two reasons you are retaining Knowlton as part of a legal strategy

1. It is a stupid strategy. Firing Knowlton is not an admission of wrongdoing on McKeever. They could very easily point to Cal's cratering performance and more importantly absolute financial cluster-eff that has occurred on his watch. New chancellor wants new guy. Alums hate him. There are a million reasons to fire Knowlton beyond the McKeever thing.

2. Either with McKeever or something else, there are others implicated above Knowlton. Like say he absolutely did report that upstairs and followed orders. I'm not saying at all that is true.

The most likely three reasons they aren't firing Knowlton are 1) they like him; 2) they don't care; or 3) they don't want to pay a buyout that is piddly compared to what he is costing in staying here. It is almost assuredly not a legal issue. Don't make up excuses for them. Make up excuses is the one thing they do well. They can handle that department.
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