ACC Coaches perspective on Cal

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https://athlonsports.com/college-football/acc-coaches-talk-anonymously-about-conference-foes-for-2025#gid=ci02fbcb3b00002724

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"This program is in serious trouble. Last year they were really good on defense, and they had good offensive pieces, but they've lost their top linebackers and running backs in the portal."

"They're a bad fit for the league in every way, and they're trying to break in a new offensive staff with no NIL because the boosters want to put [GM] Ron Rivera in charge of the program instead of the head coach. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like what's happening here, and this is all before they have to start grinding it out cross country for a few more years."

"It's a complete mess, and [Justin] Wilcox should just go DC somewhere."
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eastcoastcal said:

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/acc-coaches-talk-anonymously-about-conference-foes-for-2025#gid=ci02fbcb3b00002724

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"This program is in serious trouble. Last year they were really good on defense, and they had good offensive pieces, but they've lost their top linebackers and running backs in the portal."

"They're a bad fit for the league in every way, and they're trying to break in a new offensive staff with no NIL because the boosters want to put [GM] Ron Rivera in charge of the program instead of the head coach. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like what's happening here, and this is all before they have to start grinding it out cross country for a few more years."

"It's a complete mess, and [Justin] Wilcox should just go DC somewhere."

I tell ya, these guys state the obvious with brevity and understated eloquence.
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A BS article. Uluave was our best LB when healthy and he's still here. Sounds like coaches trying to downplay Cal, likely for recruiting purposes. Coaches ought to know their opponents better than that.
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calumnus
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BearoutEast67 said:

A BS article. Uluave was our best LB when healthy and he's still here. Sounds like coaches trying to downplay Cal, likely for recruiting purposes. Coaches ought to know their opponents better than that.

Why would they want to downplay Cal more than any other ACC opponent? They spoke highly of SMU for example, why?

Coaches have no real need to have in depth knowledge of their coming opponent until they start prepping to play them. The answers seem fair given it is May.

I also agree that it is a mess with Ron hired full time and "in charge" but not just being made the head coach.

Disagree with the "bad fit in every way."
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calumnus said:

BearoutEast67 said:



I also agree that it is a mess with Ron hired full time and "in charge" but not just being made the head coach.
It is, though to be fair it's just as much of a mess at Stanford, where Luck is supposedly in charge of football, but soon after they announced he was in charge they overruled him when he wanted to keep Taylor as HC.
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eastcoastcal said:

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/acc-coaches-talk-anonymously-about-conference-foes-for-2025#gid=ci02fbcb3b00002724

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"This program is in serious trouble. Last year they were really good on defense, and they had good offensive pieces, but they've lost their top linebackers and running backs in the portal."

"They're a bad fit for the league in every way, and they're trying to break in a new offensive staff with no NIL because the boosters want to put [GM] Ron Rivera in charge of the program instead of the head coach. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like what's happening here, and this is all before they have to start grinding it out cross country for a few more years."

"It's a complete mess, and [Justin] Wilcox should just go DC somewhere."

Even as someone who laughs at the notion that Rivera is going to fix what ails Cal, they're misrepresenting what he's here for. It's Knowlton that they want to take power from, not Wilcox (though I think even Wilcox's staunchest supporters are finally close to admitting that no amount of NIL can make him a good head coach).

But at least they acknowledge that this year's team is not going to be good, which is obvious everywhere except this oasis of irrational and undeserved optimism.
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ACC Coaches perspective on Cal

The ACC is paying our bills in the short term until something better comes along or we die.
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bear2034 said:

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ACC Coaches perspective on Cal

The ACC is paying our bills in the short term until something better comes along or we die.

ESPN is paying, we are giving most of it to the ACC.
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eastcoastcal said:

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/acc-coaches-talk-anonymously-about-conference-foes-for-2025#gid=ci02fbcb3b00002724

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"This program is in serious trouble. Last year they were really good on defense, and they had good offensive pieces, but they've lost their top linebackers and running backs in the portal."

"They're a bad fit for the league in every way, and they're trying to break in a new offensive staff with no NIL because the boosters want to put [GM] Ron Rivera in charge of the program instead of the head coach. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like what's happening here, and this is all before they have to start grinding it out cross country for a few more years."

"It's a complete mess, and [Justin] Wilcox should just go DC somewhere."

Reality can be harsh - gonna be yet another meaningless season.

Do love the last comment though - "just go DC somewhere"! LOL
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Fred Bear said:

eastcoastcal said:

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/acc-coaches-talk-anonymously-about-conference-foes-for-2025#gid=ci02fbcb3b00002724

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"This program is in serious trouble. Last year they were really good on defense, and they had good offensive pieces, but they've lost their top linebackers and running backs in the portal."

"They're a bad fit for the league in every way, and they're trying to break in a new offensive staff with no NIL because the boosters want to put [GM] Ron Rivera in charge of the program instead of the head coach. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like what's happening here, and this is all before they have to start grinding it out cross country for a few more years."

"It's a complete mess, and [Justin] Wilcox should just go DC somewhere."

Even as someone who laughs at the notion that Rivera is going to fix what ails Cal, they're misrepresenting what he's here for. It's Knowlton that they want to take power from, not Wilcox (though I think even Wilcox's staunchest supporters are finally close to admitting that no amount of NIL can make him a good head coach).
This. It has little to do with the coach per se.

It is interesting how much other coaches seem to think Wilcox is really good, despite his middling results.
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sycasey said:

Fred Bear said:

eastcoastcal said:

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/acc-coaches-talk-anonymously-about-conference-foes-for-2025#gid=ci02fbcb3b00002724

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"This program is in serious trouble. Last year they were really good on defense, and they had good offensive pieces, but they've lost their top linebackers and running backs in the portal."

"They're a bad fit for the league in every way, and they're trying to break in a new offensive staff with no NIL because the boosters want to put [GM] Ron Rivera in charge of the program instead of the head coach. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like what's happening here, and this is all before they have to start grinding it out cross country for a few more years."

"It's a complete mess, and [Justin] Wilcox should just go DC somewhere."

Even as someone who laughs at the notion that Rivera is going to fix what ails Cal, they're misrepresenting what he's here for. It's Knowlton that they want to take power from, not Wilcox (though I think even Wilcox's staunchest supporters are finally close to admitting that no amount of NIL can make him a good head coach).
This. It has little to do with the coach per se.

It is interesting how much other coaches seem to think Wilcox is really good, despite his middling results.
That seems to have been the narrative, even to the point where Oregon wanted him before we renewed him. Sigh. I think maybe because he just seems to be such a serious person who is focused. He does present himself as a solid, man of integrity. But turns out that doesn't win games. Or even a .500 in-conference record.
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I'm not going to do the research, but I'll bet the huge majority of these ACC football coaches are from the South (including Texas) or Midwest and let's say their ages are 35-60. So, for their entire lives, Berkeley has been, to them, the epicenter of degeneracy and evil and it's a lot easier for them to blame Cal's lousy results on the institution and its culture rather than the head coach.

These polls are stupid, anyway. Wasn't there something in the media years ago about coaches who delegated voting for the weekly Top 25 teams to assistant coaches because they considered it a waste of their time? I'll bet that's what the coaches thought about this poll.
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It also didn't help Cal's reputation that Sonny Dykes went and got to the playoff with TCU later. (Though honestly, his results outside of that one season aren't that impressive.)

They're not wrong that the Cal administration sucks, though. This article's respondents don't seem to get that this is what Rivera is really coming in to improve.
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HearstMining said:

Berkeley has been, to them, the epicenter of degeneracy and evil and it's a lot easier for them to blame Cal's lousy results on the institution and its culture rather than the head coach.



It is. Watch, Wilcox will be wildly successful when he leaves (eventually)
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AXLBear said:

HearstMining said:

Berkeley has been, to them, the epicenter of degeneracy and evil and it's a lot easier for them to blame Cal's lousy results on the institution and its culture rather than the head coach.



It is. Watch, Wilcox will be wildly successful when he leaves (eventually)



I highly doubt it. He is not the type of coach most top programs are looking for. I don't see him elevating a bad program or being very successful with his style at a lower level.

The one path I could see is going back to being a DC, maybe at a top program and then taking over when the HC moves on and continuing their success for a year or two.
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KoreAmBear said:

sycasey said:

Fred Bear said:

eastcoastcal said:

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/acc-coaches-talk-anonymously-about-conference-foes-for-2025#gid=ci02fbcb3b00002724

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"This program is in serious trouble. Last year they were really good on defense, and they had good offensive pieces, but they've lost their top linebackers and running backs in the portal."

"They're a bad fit for the league in every way, and they're trying to break in a new offensive staff with no NIL because the boosters want to put [GM] Ron Rivera in charge of the program instead of the head coach. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like what's happening here, and this is all before they have to start grinding it out cross country for a few more years."

"It's a complete mess, and [Justin] Wilcox should just go DC somewhere."

Even as someone who laughs at the notion that Rivera is going to fix what ails Cal, they're misrepresenting what he's here for. It's Knowlton that they want to take power from, not Wilcox (though I think even Wilcox's staunchest supporters are finally close to admitting that no amount of NIL can make him a good head coach).
This. It has little to do with the coach per se.

It is interesting how much other coaches seem to think Wilcox is really good, despite his middling results.
That seems to have been the narrative, even to the point where Oregon wanted him before we renewed him. Sigh. I think maybe because he just seems to be such a serious person who is focused. He does present himself as a solid, man of integrity. But turns out that doesn't win games. Or even a .500 in-conference record.


Assuming all the rumors are true, Oregon wanted to placate the Pre-Nike and Chip era football alums with a homegrown "Oregon guy" but they know Wilcox is horrible at picking staff so they wanted to do that for him. Including an OC who would make the offensive personnel and offensive in-game coaching decisions that he is also bad at. Basically they saw Wilcox as a good looking Oregon born guy from an Oregon family who could be the face of the organization but a very flawed head coach.

None of that works for Cal (or anywhere else) and Oregon fans were very happy that he didn't take the job, even more so in retrospect.
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eastcoastcal said:

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/acc-coaches-talk-anonymously-about-conference-foes-for-2025#gid=ci02fbcb3b00002724

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"This program is in serious trouble. Last year they were really good on defense, and they had good offensive pieces, but they've lost their top linebackers and running backs in the portal."

"They're a bad fit for the league in every way, and they're trying to break in a new offensive staff with no NIL because the boosters want to put [GM] Ron Rivera in charge of the program instead of the head coach. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like what's happening here, and this is all before they have to start grinding it out cross country for a few more years."

"It's a complete mess, and [Justin] Wilcox should just go DC somewhere."

Obviously they're negative but they also aren't well-researched statements and aren't completely accurate. Others have mentioned it already but it seems odd to mention the LBs as one of our biggest portal losses compared to Mendoza leaving or top receiving targets leaving in addition to the RBs. Especially since our defense has been far more consistent than offense under Wilcox amidst changes in players or coaching.

The second comment is like someone only heard of the stand-off between donors and the school via a game of telephone and seems to think that we still have no NIL right now in addition to mischaracterizing our desired goals.

Although I can't necessarily find much fault with the last comment aside from it being way more pessimistic on things but it's sure not an uncommon sentiment that Wilcox might be better served as a DC instead of a HC. But it's so short as to be unclear whether they think Cal is a mess partially due to Wilcox as the HC or if they're implying that we're inherently a mess. The fact that they don't say he should be a HC elsewhere suggests to me that they're somewhat aware that Wilcox might be playing a role in the mess.
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StillNoStanfurdium said:

eastcoastcal said:

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/acc-coaches-talk-anonymously-about-conference-foes-for-2025#gid=ci02fbcb3b00002724

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"This program is in serious trouble. Last year they were really good on defense, and they had good offensive pieces, but they've lost their top linebackers and running backs in the portal."

"They're a bad fit for the league in every way, and they're trying to break in a new offensive staff with no NIL because the boosters want to put [GM] Ron Rivera in charge of the program instead of the head coach. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like what's happening here, and this is all before they have to start grinding it out cross country for a few more years."

"It's a complete mess, and [Justin] Wilcox should just go DC somewhere."

Obviously they're negative but they also aren't well-researched statements and aren't completely accurate. Others have mentioned it already but it seems odd to mention the LBs as one of our biggest portal losses compared to Mendoza leaving or top receiving targets leaving in addition to the RBs. Especially since our defense has been far more consistent than offense under Wilcox amidst changes in players or coaching.

The second comment is like someone only heard of the stand-off between donors and the school via a game of telephone and seems to think that we still have no NIL right now in addition to mischaracterizing our desired goals.

Although I can't necessarily find much fault with the last comment aside from it being way more pessimistic on things but it's sure not an uncommon sentiment that Wilcox might be better served as a DC instead of a HC. But it's so short as to be unclear whether they think Cal is a mess partially due to Wilcox as the HC or if they're implying that we're inherently a mess. The fact that they don't say he should be a HC elsewhere suggests to me that they're somewhat aware that Wilcox might be playing a role in the mess.
Wilcox has a good reputation as a DC. But is not a good manager of a program. Cal needs a really strong manager and coach to win. That is not Wilcox. And he had no track record to show folks. He simply was never really the right fit here and now when the program needs to win the donors have helped put together a team that may be able to push the program over the hump.

But they have added a lot of cost as well. If it works it is money well spent. Wilcox is here only because of the buyout. The only thing that I feel really better about is that Rivera is here and he is very qualified to organize the program and determine if it is Wilcox or Cal that is the biggest problem. And should Cal move on from Wilcox he is a great person to lead a search for the next HC.

My belief is Cal bears the larger burden for the poor results. But Wilcox has been here and he is not a good person to be the face of the program any longer. Too many losses and poor decisions. The results speak for themselves. He has to be gone. They have 6 months to figure out how that happens.

But there really is little doubt that the program was in trouble in this new environment of realignment etc. The reasons they provide in the article are not wholly accurate, but the larger point of being a mess is. This season should tell us a lot. They need to show progress on the field and improve the attendance etc. I think if they do show progress the program may be able to begin to change some minds. But they cannot regress.

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This is locker room bulletin board material- I tell you- locker room bulletin board! Or maybe a group text on the IPads
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AXLBear said:

HearstMining said:

Berkeley has been, to them, the epicenter of degeneracy and evil and it's a lot easier for them to blame Cal's lousy results on the institution and its culture rather than the head coach.



It is. Watch, Wilcox will be wildly successful when he leaves (eventually)


Wildly successful?! His 23-43 conference record says otherwise.
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sycasey said:

It also didn't help Cal's reputation that Sonny Dykes went and got to the playoff with TCU later. (Though honestly, his results outside of that one season aren't that impressive.)

They're not wrong that the Cal administration sucks, though. This article's respondents don't seem to get that this is what Rivera is really coming in to improve.
And to be fair, the defense under Wilcox has generally ranged from decent to very good. It seems like a regular discussion topic during the season involves coaches mentioning they game-plan for the defense, so there is a level of respect given. And as you pointed out, it's known the administration does not make it easy for coaches at Cal and Dykes with his success at TCU along with his comments just add to that perception.
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sycasey said:

Fred Bear said:

eastcoastcal said:

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/acc-coaches-talk-anonymously-about-conference-foes-for-2025#gid=ci02fbcb3b00002724

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"This program is in serious trouble. Last year they were really good on defense, and they had good offensive pieces, but they've lost their top linebackers and running backs in the portal."

"They're a bad fit for the league in every way, and they're trying to break in a new offensive staff with no NIL because the boosters want to put [GM] Ron Rivera in charge of the program instead of the head coach. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like what's happening here, and this is all before they have to start grinding it out cross country for a few more years."

"It's a complete mess, and [Justin] Wilcox should just go DC somewhere."

Even as someone who laughs at the notion that Rivera is going to fix what ails Cal, they're misrepresenting what he's here for. It's Knowlton that they want to take power from, not Wilcox (though I think even Wilcox's staunchest supporters are finally close to admitting that no amount of NIL can make him a good head coach).
This. It has little to do with the coach per se.

It is interesting how much other coaches seem to think Wilcox is really good, despite his middling results.
It's in other coaches best interest that Wilcox keep that job as long as possible. I don't need another head coach's opinion on whether he's good or not because both my eyes and the numbers tell the actual truth.
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AXLBear said:

HearstMining said:

Berkeley has been, to them, the epicenter of degeneracy and evil and it's a lot easier for them to blame Cal's lousy results on the institution and its culture rather than the head coach.

It is. Watch, Wilcox will be wildly successful when he leaves (eventually)
Thanks. I needed a good laugh today and you provided it.
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HKBear97! said:

sycasey said:

It also didn't help Cal's reputation that Sonny Dykes went and got to the playoff with TCU later. (Though honestly, his results outside of that one season aren't that impressive.)

They're not wrong that the Cal administration sucks, though. This article's respondents don't seem to get that this is what Rivera is really coming in to improve.
And to be fair, the defense under Wilcox has generally ranged from decent to very good. It seems like a regular discussion topic during the season involves coaches mentioning they game-plan for the defense, so there is a level of respect given. And as you pointed out, it's known the administration does not make it easy for coaches at Cal and Dykes with his success at TCU along with his comments just add to that perception.


The range has been greater than that. In 2023 we had the #114 defense, one of the worst in the country. The year before, we had the #79 defense which is also is less than decent.

We generally have very good DB play. It is far and away the area Wilcox and his staff has been most successful in recruiting and developing players for the NFL. Linebackers less so, and DL has been horrible. It is tough to have a top defense without a stout line and good pass rush (I know "In this scheme the DL only have to engage (get blocked) the OL so LBs can make plays."
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calumnus said:




Assuming all the rumors are true, Oregon wanted to placate the Pre-Nike and Chip era football alums with a homegrown "Oregon guy" but they know Wilcox is horrible at picking staff so they wanted to do that for him. Including an OC who would make the offensive personnel and offensive in-game coaching decisions that he is also bad at. Basically they saw Wilcox as a good looking Oregon born guy from an Oregon family who could be the face of the organization but a very flawed head coach.

None of that works for Cal (or anywhere else) and Oregon fans were very happy that he didn't take the job, even more so in retrospect.
RIght, Oregon's idea was a compromise among its own supporters in which Wilcox would be a figurehead, and his assistants would run the show and be handpicked by Knight and other whale boosters. Even that might have ended up being temporary. If one of those assistants turned out to be a superstar they didn't want to leave, they would have moved Wilcox into an administrative position and made their new favorite the head coach, like they did with Chip Kelly taking over for Mike Bellotti.
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BigDaddy said:

AXLBear said:

HearstMining said:

Berkeley has been, to them, the epicenter of degeneracy and evil and it's a lot easier for them to blame Cal's lousy results on the institution and its culture rather than the head coach.



It is. Watch, Wilcox will be wildly successful when he leaves (eventually)


Wildly successful?! His 23-43 conference record says otherwise.


His conf record is not much different than every other coach we've ever had post pappy including Teddy. It's a Berkeley , campus, admin problem as much as it is a coaching problem .
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I'd say 50-45 is a lot different than 23-43, but that's just me.
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StillNoStanfurdium said:

eastcoastcal said:

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/acc-coaches-talk-anonymously-about-conference-foes-for-2025#gid=ci02fbcb3b00002724

Quote:

"This program is in serious trouble. Last year they were really good on defense, and they had good offensive pieces, but they've lost their top linebackers and running backs in the portal."

"They're a bad fit for the league in every way, and they're trying to break in a new offensive staff with no NIL because the boosters want to put [GM] Ron Rivera in charge of the program instead of the head coach. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like what's happening here, and this is all before they have to start grinding it out cross country for a few more years."

"It's a complete mess, and [Justin] Wilcox should just go DC somewhere."

Obviously they're negative but they also aren't well-researched statements and aren't completely accurate. Others have mentioned it already but it seems odd to mention the LBs as one of our biggest portal losses compared to Mendoza leaving or top receiving targets leaving in addition to the RBs. Especially since our defense has been far more consistent than offense under Wilcox amidst changes in players or coaching.

The second comment is like someone only heard of the stand-off between donors and the school via a game of telephone and seems to think that we still have no NIL right now in addition to mischaracterizing our desired goals.

Although I can't necessarily find much fault with the last comment aside from it being way more pessimistic on things but it's sure not an uncommon sentiment that Wilcox might be better served as a DC instead of a HC. But it's so short as to be unclear whether they think Cal is a mess partially due to Wilcox as the HC or if they're implying that we're inherently a mess. The fact that they don't say he should be a HC elsewhere suggests to me that they're somewhat aware that Wilcox might be playing a role in the mess.
I find it interesting that the poster appears to not know anything about why RR was brought in and has little (or no) familiarity with the fact that many colleges are adding a GM to supervise the Football operations and take a position over the HC and the AD (as they related to football).
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AXLBear said:

BigDaddy said:

AXLBear said:

HearstMining said:

Berkeley has been, to them, the epicenter of degeneracy and evil and it's a lot easier for them to blame Cal's lousy results on the institution and its culture rather than the head coach.



It is. Watch, Wilcox will be wildly successful when he leaves (eventually)


Wildly successful?! His 23-43 conference record says otherwise.


His conf record is not much different than every other coach we've ever had post pappy including Teddy. It's a Berkeley , campus, admin problem as much as it is a coaching problem .
Really?! Jeff Tedford was 50-45 in conference. Justin Wilcox would need to go 27-2 over his next 29 games to equal that.
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AXLBear said:

BigDaddy said:

AXLBear said:

HearstMining said:

Berkeley has been, to them, the epicenter of degeneracy and evil and it's a lot easier for them to blame Cal's lousy results on the institution and its culture rather than the head coach.

It is. Watch, Wilcox will be wildly successful when he leaves (eventually)
Wildly successful?! His 23-43 conference record says otherwise.
His conf record is not much different than every other coach we've ever had post pappy including Teddy. It's a Berkeley , campus, admin problem as much as it is a coaching problem .
Let me know when you return to the real world.

Tedford: 50-45 (even with the bad years at the end)
Wilcox: 23-43
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