Ari Wasserman (On3 Sports) says bold things about Cal but...

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CalVC2
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For Cal fans, there's always a but... (#19 and 20 on his takes after week 1)

Rushinbear
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CalVC2 said:

For Cal fans, there's always a but... (#19 and 20 on his takes after week 1)



sorta OT. You might consider excusing Manning's first game against OSU if this were really his first year. But it isn't. If Manning really had the goods to lead Texas to the promised land, he would have at least challenged, if not beaten out Quinn Ewers, an over-hyped qb, himself, given that he had two years to do it. Arch will not be starting by Thanksgiving, no matter how much his family promises to donate.

Arch doesn't have it. That quick little side-arm motion, strong as it is, will be his downfall, especially when DEs learn to raise their hands during their rush.
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If Cal can run the table we would face North Carolina, maybe another Game day......if NC can do the same.....


OsoDorado
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Rushinbear said:

CalVC2 said:

For Cal fans, there's always a but... (#19 and 20 on his takes after week 1)



sorta OT. You might consider excusing Manning's first game against OSU if this were really his first year. But it isn't. If Manning really had the goods to lead Texas to the promised land, he would have at least challenged, if not beaten out Quinn Ewers, an over-hyped qb, himself, given that he had two years to do it. Arch will not be starting by Thanksgiving, no matter how much his family promises to donate.

Arch doesn't have it. That quick little side-arm motion, strong as it is, will be his downfall, especially when DEs learn to raise their hands during their rush.

Agree with everything except the highlighted sentence.

Texas is a powerhouse team regardless of who is playing QB, so they will win a lot of games no matter what. And the whole team and University is invested in the Manning mystique. So the only way "Arch will not be starting by Thanksgiving" is if he is somehow injured.

Totally agree with you though, that Manning is way overrated !!
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Trumpanzee said:

If Cal can run the table we would face North Carolina, maybe another Game day......if NC can do the same.....


We're not going to get a Game Day against North Carolina for a Friday night game.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Trumpanzee said:

If Cal can run the table we would face North Carolina, maybe another Game day......if NC can do the same.....


We're not going to get a Game Day against North Carolina for a Friday night game.

Yeah, people are entertaining dreams of another GameDay but it's hard to see where it happens. Our best home games after UNC are Duke and SMU, and neither is THAT good unless we and the other team both have miracle seasons.
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sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Trumpanzee said:

If Cal can run the table we would face North Carolina, maybe another Game day......if NC can do the same.....


We're not going to get a Game Day against North Carolina for a Friday night game.

Yeah, people are entertaining dreams of another GameDay but it's hard to see where it happens. Our best home games after UNC are Duke and SMU, and neither is THAT good unless we and the other team both have miracle seasons.

Duke ain't beating Illinois anyway
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sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Trumpanzee said:

If Cal can run the table we would face North Carolina, maybe another Game day......if NC can do the same.....


We're not going to get a Game Day against North Carolina for a Friday night game.

Yeah, people are entertaining dreams of another GameDay but it's hard to see where it happens. Our best home games after UNC are Duke and SMU, and neither is THAT good unless we and the other team both have miracle seasons.


Cal vs SMU could be the one IMO assuming both teams are in the 9 win territory around then.
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calumnus
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panda said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Trumpanzee said:

If Cal can run the table we would face North Carolina, maybe another Game day......if NC can do the same.....


We're not going to get a Game Day against North Carolina for a Friday night game.

Yeah, people are entertaining dreams of another GameDay but it's hard to see where it happens. Our best home games after UNC are Duke and SMU, and neither is THAT good unless we and the other team both have miracle seasons.


Cal vs SMU could be the one IMO assuming both teams are in the 9 win territory around then.


That is rivalry weekend so an actual rivalry will likely be more compelling.
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20. Transfer Portal: I don't mean to rain on any Cal parade after that last bullet point. But I can't help but wonder what team Sagapolutele is playing for next year when someone backs up a Brinks truck on his front porch this offseason.

This is where College football is so much worse than all the other professional sports. Yes, he is likely to move on, just like the soccer phenoms will likely end up at Barca, Man City or Madrid but at least the club that loses them gets paid. It cushions the blow and gives the little guys a chance to rebuild. The NCAA today is 20 big clubs and 100 farm teams. I am not sure it is sustainable.
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calumnus said:

panda said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Trumpanzee said:

If Cal can run the table we would face North Carolina, maybe another Game day......if NC can do the same.....


We're not going to get a Game Day against North Carolina for a Friday night game.

Yeah, people are entertaining dreams of another GameDay but it's hard to see where it happens. Our best home games after UNC are Duke and SMU, and neither is THAT good unless we and the other team both have miracle seasons.


Cal vs SMU could be the one IMO assuming both teams are in the 9 win territory around then.


That is rivalry weekend so an actual rivalry will likely be more compelling.

Stanford will play Notre Dame that weekend of 11/29. It's been a pet gripe of mine for years that Stanford considers their Notre Dame game more important than The Big Game, consequently requiring The Big Game to be occasionally scheduled on some oddball dates - always towards the end of the season, but not always as the final game, which is as God intended. This along with Dennis Shaw's refusal to participate in Big Game Week festivities, has hurt the presence of college football in the Bay Area. Shaw didn't care as long as Stanford was a Top-10 team, but now both Cal and Stanford have to bear the brunt of that behavior. Meanwhile, I doubt the Stanford-ND game draws much in the way of TV ratings today.
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OsoDorado said:

Rushinbear said:

CalVC2 said:

For Cal fans, there's always a but... (#19 and 20 on his takes after week 1)



sorta OT. You might consider excusing Manning's first game against OSU if this were really his first year. But it isn't. If Manning really had the goods to lead Texas to the promised land, he would have at least challenged, if not beaten out Quinn Ewers, an over-hyped qb, himself, given that he had two years to do it. Arch will not be starting by Thanksgiving, no matter how much his family promises to donate.

Arch doesn't have it. That quick little side-arm motion, strong as it is, will be his downfall, especially when DEs learn to raise their hands during their rush.

Agree with everything except the highlighted sentence.

Texas is a powerhouse team regardless of who is playing QB, so they will win a lot of games no matter what. And the whole team and University is invested in the Manning mystique. So the only way "Arch will not be starting by Thanksgiving" is if he is somehow injured.

Totally agree with you though, that Manning is way overrated !!

Yeah, I maybe threw a little hyperbole in there.
sycasey
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Go!Bears said:

20. Transfer Portal: I don't mean to rain on any Cal parade after that last bullet point. But I can't help but wonder what team Sagapolutele is playing for next year when someone backs up a Brinks truck on his front porch this offseason.

This is where College football is so much worse than all the other professional sports. Yes, he is likely to move on, just like the soccer phenoms will likely end up at Barca, Man City or Madrid but at least the club that loses them gets paid. It cushions the blow and gives the little guys a chance to rebuild. The NCAA today is 20 big clubs and 100 farm teams. I am not sure it is sustainable.

Cal's fundraising has been going nuts since Rivera got the keys, and JKS already left Oregon to come to Cal. I wouldn't put this down as a foregone conclusion; Cal will have the money to pay him if he wants to stay.
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HearstMining said:

calumnus said:

panda said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Trumpanzee said:

If Cal can run the table we would face North Carolina, maybe another Game day......if NC can do the same.....


We're not going to get a Game Day against North Carolina for a Friday night game.

Yeah, people are entertaining dreams of another GameDay but it's hard to see where it happens. Our best home games after UNC are Duke and SMU, and neither is THAT good unless we and the other team both have miracle seasons.


Cal vs SMU could be the one IMO assuming both teams are in the 9 win territory around then.


That is rivalry weekend so an actual rivalry will likely be more compelling.

Stanford will play Notre Dame that weekend of 11/29. It's been a pet gripe of mine for years that Stanford considers their Notre Dame game more important than The Big Game, consequently requiring The Big Game to be occasionally scheduled on some oddball dates - always towards the end of the season, but not always as the final game, which is as God intended. This along with Dennis Shaw's refusal to participate in Big Game Week festivities, has hurt the presence of college football in the Bay Area. Shaw didn't care as long as Stanford was a Top-10 team, but now both Cal and Stanford have to bear the brunt of that behavior. Meanwhile, I doubt the Stanford-ND game draws much in the way of TV ratings today.

Every Notre Dame game draws ratings.
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Go!Bears said:

20. Transfer Portal: I don't mean to rain on any Cal parade after that last bullet point. But I can't help but wonder what team Sagapolutele is playing for next year when someone backs up a Brinks truck on his front porch this offseason.

This is where College football is so much worse than all the other professional sports. Yes, he is likely to move on, just like the soccer phenoms will likely end up at Barca, Man City or Madrid but at least the club that loses them gets paid. It cushions the blow and gives the little guys a chance to rebuild. The NCAA today is 20 big clubs and 100 farm teams. I am not sure it is sustainable.

It's not sustainable. The Big Football/basketball factories and the top athletes hold all the cards and the money. The rest of the schools are left with crumbs. Major college sports cannot survive this system.
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sycasey said:

Go!Bears said:

20. Transfer Portal: I don't mean to rain on any Cal parade after that last bullet point. But I can't help but wonder what team Sagapolutele is playing for next year when someone backs up a Brinks truck on his front porch this offseason.

This is where College football is so much worse than all the other professional sports. Yes, he is likely to move on, just like the soccer phenoms will likely end up at Barca, Man City or Madrid but at least the club that loses them gets paid. It cushions the blow and gives the little guys a chance to rebuild. The NCAA today is 20 big clubs and 100 farm teams. I am not sure it is sustainable.

Cal's fundraising has been going nuts since Rivera got the keys, and JKS already left Oregon to come to Cal. I wouldn't put this down as a foregone conclusion; Cal will have the money to pay him if he wants to stay.

Yeah, if he likes it at Cal and his family likes coming out here for games, he might stay for a while. We might get outbid, but we are probably able to make a competitive offer. What's more, JKS' very presence here could help us bring in even better supporting talent. And we have Jared Goff and Aaron Rodgers as living, breathing, recent examples of Cal quarterbacks reaching the highest levels of the NFL.

Anything's possible. The landscape is changing so fast and, right now, we seem to be ascending.
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sycasey said:

Go!Bears said:

20. Transfer Portal: I don't mean to rain on any Cal parade after that last bullet point. But I can't help but wonder what team Sagapolutele is playing for next year when someone backs up a Brinks truck on his front porch this offseason.

This is where College football is so much worse than all the other professional sports. Yes, he is likely to move on, just like the soccer phenoms will likely end up at Barca, Man City or Madrid but at least the club that loses them gets paid. It cushions the blow and gives the little guys a chance to rebuild. The NCAA today is 20 big clubs and 100 farm teams. I am not sure it is sustainable.

Cal's fundraising has been going nuts since Rivera got the keys, and JKS already left Oregon to come to Cal. I wouldn't put this down as a foregone conclusion; Cal will have the money to pay him if he wants to stay.

I'm getting those same vibes. Cal wouldn't simply get outbid for a talent. It's more about whether we can position our team for sustained success, retain critical coaches, build a good supporting roster, and get national attention and compete for the conference and maybe even the national championship.
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StillNoStanfurdium said:

sycasey said:

Go!Bears said:

20. Transfer Portal: I don't mean to rain on any Cal parade after that last bullet point. But I can't help but wonder what team Sagapolutele is playing for next year when someone backs up a Brinks truck on his front porch this offseason.

This is where College football is so much worse than all the other professional sports. Yes, he is likely to move on, just like the soccer phenoms will likely end up at Barca, Man City or Madrid but at least the club that loses them gets paid. It cushions the blow and gives the little guys a chance to rebuild. The NCAA today is 20 big clubs and 100 farm teams. I am not sure it is sustainable.

Cal's fundraising has been going nuts since Rivera got the keys, and JKS already left Oregon to come to Cal. I wouldn't put this down as a foregone conclusion; Cal will have the money to pay him if he wants to stay.

I'm getting those same vibes. Cal wouldn't simply get outbid for a talent. It's more about whether we can position our team for sustained success, retain critical coaches, build a good supporting roster, and get national attention and compete for the conference and maybe even the national championship.

People looked at all the players leaving last offseason and figured it was because Cal couldn't pay to hold on to talent. But if Sebastabear and others are to be believed (and IMO typically he is), those guys didn't leave because Cal couldn't match the NIL offers. The money was there. It happened for other reasons.

The other reasons are what needed fixing. Cal needs to show that it is a serious program. So far, so good.
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Go!Bears said:

20. Transfer Portal: I don't mean to rain on any Cal parade after that last bullet point. But I can't help but wonder what team Sagapolutele is playing for next year when someone backs up a Brinks truck on his front porch this offseason.

This is where College football is so much worse than all the other professional sports. Yes, he is likely to move on, just like the soccer phenoms will likely end up at Barca, Man City or Madrid but at least the club that loses them gets paid. It cushions the blow and gives the little guys a chance to rebuild. The NCAA today is 20 big clubs and 100 farm teams. I am not sure it is sustainable.

But don't you think the transfer portal has been net positive for Cal?

I feel like our alumni and coaches have maybe not done great in HS recruiting but have outperformed in portal recruiting?
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HearstMining said:

calumnus said:

panda said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Trumpanzee said:

If Cal can run the table we would face North Carolina, maybe another Game day......if NC can do the same.....


We're not going to get a Game Day against North Carolina for a Friday night game.

Yeah, people are entertaining dreams of another GameDay but it's hard to see where it happens. Our best home games after UNC are Duke and SMU, and neither is THAT good unless we and the other team both have miracle seasons.


Cal vs SMU could be the one IMO assuming both teams are in the 9 win territory around then.


That is rivalry weekend so an actual rivalry will likely be more compelling.


Stanford will play Notre Dame that weekend of 11/29. It's been a pet gripe of mine for years that Stanford considers their Notre Dame game more important than The Big Game, consequently requiring The Big Game to be occasionally scheduled on some oddball dates - always towards the end of the season, but not always as the final game, which is as God intended. This along with Dennis Shaw's refusal to participate in Big Game Week festivities, has hurt the presence of college football in the Bay Area. Shaw didn't care as long as Stanford was a Top-10 team, but now both Cal and Stanford have to bear the brunt of that behavior. Meanwhile, I doubt the Stanford-ND game draws much in the way of TV ratings today.


Amen to that.
When I was at Cal (63 to 75) (3 Cal degrees) and for a long time thereafter Big Game week dominated the local media with almost daily events that drew local coverage- one of which was the Big Game Luncheons (one in San Francisco and one in San Jose)
Big Dollar alumni/donors of both schools had a chance to glad hand friends and clients playfully dissing each other's teams and schools.

I attended and paid good money to regularly attend these events. I paid not just for my tix but also tix for my clients who had attended Cal.).
It was good for business and a lot of friendly fun (regardless of the teams' respective success on the field).

But both Harbaugh and Shaw began to tone down their support for the Big Game luncheons on the ostensible grounds that all the attention required of these events disrupted their efforts to prepare the Stanford team for the game on the field.
(BTW I never heard any similar objections by any Cal coaches)

Harbaugh and Shaw got their wishes. They were no longer bombarded by the local media during Big Game Week unless their teams were in the national spotlight.

Yes there were other factors that contributed to the decline of the local importance of the Big Game.
But the attitude of Harbaugh and Shaw in refusing to attend the Bug Game luncheons clearly had a serious adverse impact on driving DOWN local media attention
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GivemTheAxe said:

HearstMining said:

calumnus said:

panda said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Trumpanzee said:

If Cal can run the table we would face North Carolina, maybe another Game day......if NC can do the same.....


We're not going to get a Game Day against North Carolina for a Friday night game.

Yeah, people are entertaining dreams of another GameDay but it's hard to see where it happens. Our best home games after UNC are Duke and SMU, and neither is THAT good unless we and the other team both have miracle seasons.


Cal vs SMU could be the one IMO assuming both teams are in the 9 win territory around then.


That is rivalry weekend so an actual rivalry will likely be more compelling.


Stanford will play Notre Dame that weekend of 11/29. It's been a pet gripe of mine for years that Stanford considers their Notre Dame game more important than The Big Game, consequently requiring The Big Game to be occasionally scheduled on some oddball dates - always towards the end of the season, but not always as the final game, which is as God intended. This along with Dennis Shaw's refusal to participate in Big Game Week festivities, has hurt the presence of college football in the Bay Area. Shaw didn't care as long as Stanford was a Top-10 team, but now both Cal and Stanford have to bear the brunt of that behavior. Meanwhile, I doubt the Stanford-ND game draws much in the way of TV ratings today.


Amen to that.
When I was at Cal (63 to 75) (3 Cal degrees) and for a long time thereafter Big Game week dominated the local media with almost daily events that drew local coverage- one of which was the Big Game Luncheons (one in San Francisco and one in San Jose)
Big Dollar alumni/donors of both schools had a chance to glad hand friends and clients playfully dissing each other's teams and schools.

I attended and paid good money to regularly attend these events. I paid not just for my tix but also tix for my clients who had attended Cal.).
It was good for business and a lot of friendly fun (regardless of the teams' respective success on the field).

But both Harbaugh and Shaw began to tone down their support for the Big Game luncheons on the ostensible grounds that all the attention required of these events disrupted their efforts to prepare the Stanford team for the game on the field.
(BTW I never heard any similar objections by any Cal coaches)

Harbaugh and Shaw got their wishes. They were no longer bombarded by the local media during Big Game Week unless their teams were in the national spotlight.

Yes there were other factors that contributed to the decline of the local importance of the Big Game.
But the attitude of Harbaugh and Shaw in refusing to attend the Bug Game luncheons clearly had a serious adverse impact on driving DOWN local media attention

So many contributors to the diminishing of Big Game:

- the 12 game regular season pretty much necessitated that BG is no longer the last game
- the luncheon thing was a factor
- looking askance at any sort of during-the-game or even during-the-week hijinks. "Stanfurd hates fun."
- not too many years lately where both teams have had strong records
- the general rise of other entertainment (many games on TV, personal devices, etc) have diminished the appeal of events such as the Bonfire Rally (for students/alums) and even the game itself (for the general fan)

Damn shame.
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Rushinbear said:


Arch doesn't have it. That quick little side-arm motion, strong as it is, will be his downfall, especially when DEs learn to raise their hands during their rush.


That's quite the take on a board understandably hyped about a phenom QB with an unorthodox three-quarters throwing motion.
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Big C said:

GivemTheAxe said:

HearstMining said:

calumnus said:

panda said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Trumpanzee said:

If Cal can run the table we would face North Carolina, maybe another Game day......if NC can do the same.....


We're not going to get a Game Day against North Carolina for a Friday night game.

Yeah, people are entertaining dreams of another GameDay but it's hard to see where it happens. Our best home games after UNC are Duke and SMU, and neither is THAT good unless we and the other team both have miracle seasons.


Cal vs SMU could be the one IMO assuming both teams are in the 9 win territory around then.


That is rivalry weekend so an actual rivalry will likely be more compelling.


Stanford will play Notre Dame that weekend of 11/29. It's been a pet gripe of mine for years that Stanford considers their Notre Dame game more important than The Big Game, consequently requiring The Big Game to be occasionally scheduled on some oddball dates - always towards the end of the season, but not always as the final game, which is as God intended. This along with Dennis Shaw's refusal to participate in Big Game Week festivities, has hurt the presence of college football in the Bay Area. Shaw didn't care as long as Stanford was a Top-10 team, but now both Cal and Stanford have to bear the brunt of that behavior. Meanwhile, I doubt the Stanford-ND game draws much in the way of TV ratings today.


Amen to that.
When I was at Cal (63 to 75) (3 Cal degrees) and for a long time thereafter Big Game week dominated the local media with almost daily events that drew local coverage- one of which was the Big Game Luncheons (one in San Francisco and one in San Jose)
Big Dollar alumni/donors of both schools had a chance to glad hand friends and clients playfully dissing each other's teams and schools.

I attended and paid good money to regularly attend these events. I paid not just for my tix but also tix for my clients who had attended Cal.).
It was good for business and a lot of friendly fun (regardless of the teams' respective success on the field).

But both Harbaugh and Shaw began to tone down their support for the Big Game luncheons on the ostensible grounds that all the attention required of these events disrupted their efforts to prepare the Stanford team for the game on the field.
(BTW I never heard any similar objections by any Cal coaches)

Harbaugh and Shaw got their wishes. They were no longer bombarded by the local media during Big Game Week unless their teams were in the national spotlight.

Yes there were other factors that contributed to the decline of the local importance of the Big Game.
But the attitude of Harbaugh and Shaw in refusing to attend the Bug Game luncheons clearly had a serious adverse impact on driving DOWN local media attention

So many contributors to the diminishing of Big Game:

- the 12 game regular season pretty much necessitated that BG is no longer the last game
- the luncheon thing was a factor
- looking askance at any sort of during-the-game or even during-the-week hijinks. "Stanfurd hates fun."
- not too many years lately where both teams have had strong records
- the general rise of other entertainment (many games on TV, personal devices, etc) have diminished the appeal of events such as the Bonfire Rally (for students/alums) and even the game itself (for the general fan)

Damn shame.

The near-death of local media is another important factor. In the era referenced above, Bay Area sports fans got their sports news from Chronicle and Examiner sports sections and local TV sportscasts that could publicize the Big Game during the week leading up to it and make the Big Game locally important. All of that local media is either gone or diminished so much that it has no present-day relevance.
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The Furd is systematically avoiding history by making the Big Game and after thought. Put yourself in their shoes. Do you really want to relive the play year after year and have to acknowledge that nothing short of the same play happening again but with an opposite result will undo the humiliation. No wonder they choose to focus on Notre Dame which comes with no humiliation factor.
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sycasey said:

StillNoStanfurdium said:

sycasey said:

Go!Bears said:

20. Transfer Portal: I don't mean to rain on any Cal parade after that last bullet point. But I can't help but wonder what team Sagapolutele is playing for next year when someone backs up a Brinks truck on his front porch this offseason.

This is where College football is so much worse than all the other professional sports. Yes, he is likely to move on, just like the soccer phenoms will likely end up at Barca, Man City or Madrid but at least the club that loses them gets paid. It cushions the blow and gives the little guys a chance to rebuild. The NCAA today is 20 big clubs and 100 farm teams. I am not sure it is sustainable.

Cal's fundraising has been going nuts since Rivera got the keys, and JKS already left Oregon to come to Cal. I wouldn't put this down as a foregone conclusion; Cal will have the money to pay him if he wants to stay.

I'm getting those same vibes. Cal wouldn't simply get outbid for a talent. It's more about whether we can position our team for sustained success, retain critical coaches, build a good supporting roster, and get national attention and compete for the conference and maybe even the national championship.

People looked at all the players leaving last offseason and figured it was because Cal couldn't pay to hold on to talent. But if Sebastabear and others are to be believed (and IMO typically he is), those guys didn't leave because Cal couldn't match the NIL offers. The money was there. It happened for other reasons.

The other reasons are what needed fixing. Cal needs to show that it is a serious program. So far, so good.

Nearly everyone we lost was from the offense and apart from Mendoza, after the new offensive coaches were named. From the defense we lost guys to the NFL. We previously had top Portal classes. The only reason this class was not rated more poorly was Sagapolutele. We will see how it plays out.
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