Heisman?!

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mbBear
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Strykur said:

mbBear said:

juarezbear said:

Fernando could've left under better circumstances. That being said, he's no longer with the program so I'm not going to engage in typical Cal fan masochism if he's doing well. Let's all remember the season is very young and the Heisman race will change radically by December.

Exactly....I will say right now that it will be a WR as the winner....like Smith from Ohio State.
SKS is +7500 by the way...

Let's get real, if Indiana keeps rolling and is within another run at the playoffs, he might get it


Just my prediction... not emotionally invested one way or the other.. zero downside for Cal if he does win..
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mbBear said:

Strykur said:

mbBear said:

juarezbear said:

Fernando could've left under better circumstances. That being said, he's no longer with the program so I'm not going to engage in typical Cal fan masochism if he's doing well. Let's all remember the season is very young and the Heisman race will change radically by December.

Exactly....I will say right now that it will be a WR as the winner....like Smith from Ohio State.
SKS is +7500 by the way...

Let's get real, if Indiana keeps rolling and is within another run at the playoffs, he might get it


Just my prediction... not emotionally invested one way or the other.. zero downside for Cal if he does win..
those trading cards are gonna be worth a bit if he becomes something.
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LunchTime said:

ColoradoBear said:

F Mendoza

That said, the thought of looking up his stats and worrying about how he is doing does not cross my mind on a regular basis. Only when there is yet another post on BI… it's good for your mentals just to let it go.

Now that it has been brought up, in addition to some weak sauce teams, Indiana actually plays two real games this year (no idea how Illinois was ranked) - @Oregon and @Penn State.

I am of the full opinion that part of the reason Mendoza sat out @SMU was because they had the best defense on our schedule and they could have thrashed him thus diminishing his portal value.

So maybe I watch the Oregon game just to see. Or maybe I go golfing because it really doesn't matter to me.




I feel like checking in on him like I do about checking in on any Cal player that leaves.

Rodgers, Lynch, Jackson, Gonzalez, etc. They all left early for a better opportunity and did well.


The "F Mendoza" petulance really shows why no players should come to Cal until its the destination... which makes it hard to be the destination.


But the big difference is that with those players they went pro.
That's a big difference. And the way Mendoza left naturally soured some Cal fans. I'm old enough to remember when loyalty and team meant something. Plus, all the players you mentioned have shown Cal much love since they left.
You think Mendoza will care a lick about Cal going forward?
Probably not. I have no animosity for Mendoza and don't like anyone who shows extreme negativity towards him. But I have no reason to root for him now. Frankly, I love watching Sagapolutele. What a gift for Cal. I was concerned for our team when Mendoza left, but getting to watch Jaron I don't miss Mendoza at all.
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oskithepimp said:

I watch all of our games and I cannot believe that the same Nando from Cal is the Heisman favorite right now. I mean, he was pretty good, but Heisman?! We are cursed. Probably Wilcox's fault.

Heisman highlight moment?

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

oskithepimp said:

I watch all of our games and I cannot believe that the same Nando from Cal is the Heisman favorite right now. I mean, he was pretty good, but Heisman?! We are cursed. Probably Wilcox's fault.

Heisman highlight moment?




He only needed to kill 3 seconds but running as he did "guarantees" the game is over,short of him fumbling in the end zone and Iowa recovering. And an offensive penalty wouldn't grant Iowa an untamed down.

He can't kneel bc the ball goes to Iowa on downs with 2 or 3 seconds left. If they try to punt everything can go wrong with that.

So, he runs out the clock before being tackled.
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He did the same thing when Jaron committed.
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

He did the same thing when Jaron committed.

https://media1.tenor.com/m/1UcbPFxW984AAAAC/burn-kelso.gif
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

He did the same thing when Jaron committed.


+1 LOL
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LunchTime said:

ColoradoBear said:

F Mendoza

That said, the thought of looking up his stats and worrying about how he is doing does not cross my mind on a regular basis. Only when there is yet another post on BI… it's good for your mentals just to let it go.

Now that it has been brought up, in addition to some weak sauce teams, Indiana actually plays two real games this year (no idea how Illinois was ranked) - @Oregon and @Penn State.

I am of the full opinion that part of the reason Mendoza sat out @SMU was because they had the best defense on our schedule and they could have thrashed him thus diminishing his portal value.

So maybe I watch the Oregon game just to see. Or maybe I go golfing because it really doesn't matter to me.




I feel like checking in on him like I do about checking in on any Cal player that leaves.

Rodgers, Lynch, Jackson, Gonzalez, etc. They all left early for a better opportunity and did well.


The "F Mendoza" petulance really shows why no players should come to Cal until its the destination... which makes it hard to be the destination.
Lets just be honest. Some of it is fans' sour grapes over the way he left, some of it was justified criticism, but most of it is just modern internet culture.

Yea the way he acted when he left was ****ty, and acting like he's terrible and would be exposed is stupid, but if anyone actually expects him to win the Heisman I have several bridges to sell you in New Mexico.

Having watched him at Indiana he's the same player he always was. He makes some big plays, he's better with his legs than he was credited with, he has some dog in him. But his deficiencies are still there. He takes some sacks that he shouldn't due to his lack of pocket presence (admittedly it seemed worse here because our OL was so weak), he still doesn't throw a great deep ball, he still doesn't read a defense very well.

Indiana fans are already noticing his shortcomings and commenting about them. When they hit the meat of their schedule and he crashes to the ground hard I'm sure the sour grapes folks will be out in force again. But nothing is ever as good or bad as it seems to be. He's not as good as he looks right now and he's not as bad as he will seem when he plays OhSt, Oregon, or PSU-Happy Valley.

These goldfish-length memory reactions and petty internet knee jerks are ridiculous both ways. Mendoza is a solidly above average college QB. He's not elite. He won't win the Heisman but he will win plenty of games this season. And a few vocal fans who dislike him based on his actions do not represent the Cal fanbase and shouldn't prevent any other player from coming here. Just look at the Tennessee treatment of Iamaleava, that's a much larger subsection of their fans and no one is claiming that it's proof no one should go to Knoxville
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The Athletic mock draft has him at #2 overall.

"2. New Orleans Saints: Fernando Mendoza, QB, Indiana
As is often the case, the quarterback discussion has gotten more interestingsince the start of the season. It's still early, and plenty could change. For now, though, I'm down to Mendoza and South Carolina's LaNorris Sellers as the top two quarterbacks in this class.
I've loved how much Mendoza has already improved under Indiana coach Curt Cignetti and he was already a smart player before he got to Indiana. Mendoza has handled pressure well and hit on nearly 60 percent of his third-and-long attempts. If his accuracy holds throughout the Big Ten slate, he'll remain in the discussion for QB1."
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Bearly Clad said:

LunchTime said:

ColoradoBear said:

F Mendoza

That said, the thought of looking up his stats and worrying about how he is doing does not cross my mind on a regular basis. Only when there is yet another post on BI… it's good for your mentals just to let it go.

Now that it has been brought up, in addition to some weak sauce teams, Indiana actually plays two real games this year (no idea how Illinois was ranked) - @Oregon and @Penn State.

I am of the full opinion that part of the reason Mendoza sat out @SMU was because they had the best defense on our schedule and they could have thrashed him thus diminishing his portal value.

So maybe I watch the Oregon game just to see. Or maybe I go golfing because it really doesn't matter to me.




I feel like checking in on him like I do about checking in on any Cal player that leaves.

Rodgers, Lynch, Jackson, Gonzalez, etc. They all left early for a better opportunity and did well.


The "F Mendoza" petulance really shows why no players should come to Cal until its the destination... which makes it hard to be the destination.

Lets just be honest. Some of it is fans' sour grapes over the way he left, some of it was justified criticism, but most of it is just modern internet culture.

Yea the way he acted when he left was ****ty, and acting like he's terrible and would be exposed is stupid, but if anyone actually expects him to win the Heisman I have several bridges to sell you in New Mexico.

Having watched him at Indiana he's the same player he always was. He makes some big plays, he's better with his legs than he was credited with, he has some dog in him. But his deficiencies are still there. He takes some sacks that he shouldn't due to his lack of pocket presence (admittedly it seemed worse here because our OL was so weak), he still doesn't throw a great deep ball, he still doesn't read a defense very well.

Indiana fans are already noticing his shortcomings and commenting about them. When they hit the meat of their schedule and he crashes to the ground hard I'm sure the sour grapes folks will be out in force again. But nothing is ever as good or bad as it seems to be. He's not as good as he looks right now and he's not as bad as he will seem when he plays OhSt, Oregon, or PSU-Happy Valley.

These goldfish-length memory reactions and petty internet knee jerks are ridiculous both ways. Mendoza is a solidly above average college QB. He's not elite. He won't win the Heisman but he will win plenty of games this season. And a few vocal fans who dislike him based on his actions do not represent the Cal fanbase and shouldn't prevent any other player from coming here. Just look at the Tennessee treatment of Iamaleava, that's a much larger subsection of their fans and no one is claiming that it's proof no one should go to Knoxville

This is exactly right
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ac_green33 said:

Bearly Clad said:

LunchTime said:

ColoradoBear said:

F Mendoza

That said, the thought of looking up his stats and worrying about how he is doing does not cross my mind on a regular basis. Only when there is yet another post on BI… it's good for your mentals just to let it go.

Now that it has been brought up, in addition to some weak sauce teams, Indiana actually plays two real games this year (no idea how Illinois was ranked) - @Oregon and @Penn State.

I am of the full opinion that part of the reason Mendoza sat out @SMU was because they had the best defense on our schedule and they could have thrashed him thus diminishing his portal value.

So maybe I watch the Oregon game just to see. Or maybe I go golfing because it really doesn't matter to me.




I feel like checking in on him like I do about checking in on any Cal player that leaves.

Rodgers, Lynch, Jackson, Gonzalez, etc. They all left early for a better opportunity and did well.


The "F Mendoza" petulance really shows why no players should come to Cal until its the destination... which makes it hard to be the destination.

Lets just be honest. Some of it is fans' sour grapes over the way he left, some of it was justified criticism, but most of it is just modern internet culture.

Yea the way he acted when he left was ****ty, and acting like he's terrible and would be exposed is stupid, but if anyone actually expects him to win the Heisman I have several bridges to sell you in New Mexico.

Having watched him at Indiana he's the same player he always was. He makes some big plays, he's better with his legs than he was credited with, he has some dog in him. But his deficiencies are still there. He takes some sacks that he shouldn't due to his lack of pocket presence (admittedly it seemed worse here because our OL was so weak), he still doesn't throw a great deep ball, he still doesn't read a defense very well.

Indiana fans are already noticing his shortcomings and commenting about them. When they hit the meat of their schedule and he crashes to the ground hard I'm sure the sour grapes folks will be out in force again. But nothing is ever as good or bad as it seems to be. He's not as good as he looks right now and he's not as bad as he will seem when he plays OhSt, Oregon, or PSU-Happy Valley.

These goldfish-length memory reactions and petty internet knee jerks are ridiculous both ways. Mendoza is a solidly above average college QB. He's not elite. He won't win the Heisman but he will win plenty of games this season. And a few vocal fans who dislike him based on his actions do not represent the Cal fanbase and shouldn't prevent any other player from coming here. Just look at the Tennessee treatment of Iamaleava, that's a much larger subsection of their fans and no one is claiming that it's proof no one should go to Knoxville

This is exactly right

i think besides calling JKS and scaring him off (shows immaturity but he is a young man) what bothers me more is that he quit on the team 2 games before the end of the season, a game after "98 yards with the boys"

I understand both decisions, 1 comes with the territory of a teenager, the other comes with protecting millions of dollars in assets. I think the unique thing nowadays is that these players are essentially on 1 year contracts and have to protect their best financial interest
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TedfordTheGreat said:

ac_green33 said:

Bearly Clad said:

LunchTime said:

ColoradoBear said:

F Mendoza

That said, the thought of looking up his stats and worrying about how he is doing does not cross my mind on a regular basis. Only when there is yet another post on BI… it's good for your mentals just to let it go.

Now that it has been brought up, in addition to some weak sauce teams, Indiana actually plays two real games this year (no idea how Illinois was ranked) - @Oregon and @Penn State.

I am of the full opinion that part of the reason Mendoza sat out @SMU was because they had the best defense on our schedule and they could have thrashed him thus diminishing his portal value.

So maybe I watch the Oregon game just to see. Or maybe I go golfing because it really doesn't matter to me.




I feel like checking in on him like I do about checking in on any Cal player that leaves.

Rodgers, Lynch, Jackson, Gonzalez, etc. They all left early for a better opportunity and did well.


The "F Mendoza" petulance really shows why no players should come to Cal until its the destination... which makes it hard to be the destination.

Lets just be honest. Some of it is fans' sour grapes over the way he left, some of it was justified criticism, but most of it is just modern internet culture.

Yea the way he acted when he left was ****ty, and acting like he's terrible and would be exposed is stupid, but if anyone actually expects him to win the Heisman I have several bridges to sell you in New Mexico.

Having watched him at Indiana he's the same player he always was. He makes some big plays, he's better with his legs than he was credited with, he has some dog in him. But his deficiencies are still there. He takes some sacks that he shouldn't due to his lack of pocket presence (admittedly it seemed worse here because our OL was so weak), he still doesn't throw a great deep ball, he still doesn't read a defense very well.

Indiana fans are already noticing his shortcomings and commenting about them. When they hit the meat of their schedule and he crashes to the ground hard I'm sure the sour grapes folks will be out in force again. But nothing is ever as good or bad as it seems to be. He's not as good as he looks right now and he's not as bad as he will seem when he plays OhSt, Oregon, or PSU-Happy Valley.

These goldfish-length memory reactions and petty internet knee jerks are ridiculous both ways. Mendoza is a solidly above average college QB. He's not elite. He won't win the Heisman but he will win plenty of games this season. And a few vocal fans who dislike him based on his actions do not represent the Cal fanbase and shouldn't prevent any other player from coming here. Just look at the Tennessee treatment of Iamaleava, that's a much larger subsection of their fans and no one is claiming that it's proof no one should go to Knoxville

This is exactly right

i think besides calling JKS and scaring him off (shows immaturity but he is a young man) what bothers me more is that he quit on the team 2 games before the end of the season, a game after "98 yards with the boys"

I understand both decisions, 1 comes with the territory of a teenager, the other comes with protecting millions of dollars in assets. I think the unique thing nowadays is that these players are essentially on 1 year contracts and have to protect their best financial interest

I should have been more specific. The talk about his game and limitations are spot on and they will get exposed in the conference schedule, but he's also not awful.
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TedfordTheGreat said:

ac_green33 said:

Bearly Clad said:

LunchTime said:

ColoradoBear said:

F Mendoza

That said, the thought of looking up his stats and worrying about how he is doing does not cross my mind on a regular basis. Only when there is yet another post on BI… it's good for your mentals just to let it go.

Now that it has been brought up, in addition to some weak sauce teams, Indiana actually plays two real games this year (no idea how Illinois was ranked) - @Oregon and @Penn State.

I am of the full opinion that part of the reason Mendoza sat out @SMU was because they had the best defense on our schedule and they could have thrashed him thus diminishing his portal value.

So maybe I watch the Oregon game just to see. Or maybe I go golfing because it really doesn't matter to me.




I feel like checking in on him like I do about checking in on any Cal player that leaves.

Rodgers, Lynch, Jackson, Gonzalez, etc. They all left early for a better opportunity and did well.


The "F Mendoza" petulance really shows why no players should come to Cal until its the destination... which makes it hard to be the destination.

Lets just be honest. Some of it is fans' sour grapes over the way he left, some of it was justified criticism, but most of it is just modern internet culture.

Yea the way he acted when he left was ****ty, and acting like he's terrible and would be exposed is stupid, but if anyone actually expects him to win the Heisman I have several bridges to sell you in New Mexico.

Having watched him at Indiana he's the same player he always was. He makes some big plays, he's better with his legs than he was credited with, he has some dog in him. But his deficiencies are still there. He takes some sacks that he shouldn't due to his lack of pocket presence (admittedly it seemed worse here because our OL was so weak), he still doesn't throw a great deep ball, he still doesn't read a defense very well.

Indiana fans are already noticing his shortcomings and commenting about them. When they hit the meat of their schedule and he crashes to the ground hard I'm sure the sour grapes folks will be out in force again. But nothing is ever as good or bad as it seems to be. He's not as good as he looks right now and he's not as bad as he will seem when he plays OhSt, Oregon, or PSU-Happy Valley.

These goldfish-length memory reactions and petty internet knee jerks are ridiculous both ways. Mendoza is a solidly above average college QB. He's not elite. He won't win the Heisman but he will win plenty of games this season. And a few vocal fans who dislike him based on his actions do not represent the Cal fanbase and shouldn't prevent any other player from coming here. Just look at the Tennessee treatment of Iamaleava, that's a much larger subsection of their fans and no one is claiming that it's proof no one should go to Knoxville

This is exactly right

i think besides calling JKS and scaring him off (shows immaturity but he is a young man) what bothers me more is that he quit on the team 2 games before the end of the season, a game after "98 yards with the boys"

I understand both decisions, 1 comes with the territory of a teenager, the other comes with protecting millions of dollars in assets. I think the unique thing nowadays is that these players are essentially on 1 year contracts and have to protect their best financial interest
I definitely appreciate that and wouldn't tell anyone how to personally react to it. For me, I'm not bitter enough to discount him as a player because of what he did like some fans will do. I'm happy with JKS and back when he was in HS I said he could be our best of all time. So if that's the trade then, even with Fernando looking really good right now and winning, I would make that trade every single time.

I'm also less affronted by players that leave like Ott or Mendoza (not discounting the way he left) because they gave us all they had for 3 years and we didn't give them enough reason to stay. Ott especially, he got a California degree and before that season we assumed it was his last in the Blue & Gold anyway; sure we thought it would be for the NFL but he put in his time and gave us his blood, sweat, and tears. The only player in recent memory that I hold a grudge against for leaving is Brennan Scarlett for going to LSJU and taking his brother with him. That one is unforgivable
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TedfordTheGreat said:

ac_green33 said:

Bearly Clad said:

LunchTime said:

ColoradoBear said:

F Mendoza

That said, the thought of looking up his stats and worrying about how he is doing does not cross my mind on a regular basis. Only when there is yet another post on BI… it's good for your mentals just to let it go.

Now that it has been brought up, in addition to some weak sauce teams, Indiana actually plays two real games this year (no idea how Illinois was ranked) - @Oregon and @Penn State.

I am of the full opinion that part of the reason Mendoza sat out @SMU was because they had the best defense on our schedule and they could have thrashed him thus diminishing his portal value.

So maybe I watch the Oregon game just to see. Or maybe I go golfing because it really doesn't matter to me.




I feel like checking in on him like I do about checking in on any Cal player that leaves.

Rodgers, Lynch, Jackson, Gonzalez, etc. They all left early for a better opportunity and did well.


The "F Mendoza" petulance really shows why no players should come to Cal until its the destination... which makes it hard to be the destination.

Lets just be honest. Some of it is fans' sour grapes over the way he left, some of it was justified criticism, but most of it is just modern internet culture.

Yea the way he acted when he left was ****ty, and acting like he's terrible and would be exposed is stupid, but if anyone actually expects him to win the Heisman I have several bridges to sell you in New Mexico.

Having watched him at Indiana he's the same player he always was. He makes some big plays, he's better with his legs than he was credited with, he has some dog in him. But his deficiencies are still there. He takes some sacks that he shouldn't due to his lack of pocket presence (admittedly it seemed worse here because our OL was so weak), he still doesn't throw a great deep ball, he still doesn't read a defense very well.

Indiana fans are already noticing his shortcomings and commenting about them. When they hit the meat of their schedule and he crashes to the ground hard I'm sure the sour grapes folks will be out in force again. But nothing is ever as good or bad as it seems to be. He's not as good as he looks right now and he's not as bad as he will seem when he plays OhSt, Oregon, or PSU-Happy Valley.

These goldfish-length memory reactions and petty internet knee jerks are ridiculous both ways. Mendoza is a solidly above average college QB. He's not elite. He won't win the Heisman but he will win plenty of games this season. And a few vocal fans who dislike him based on his actions do not represent the Cal fanbase and shouldn't prevent any other player from coming here. Just look at the Tennessee treatment of Iamaleava, that's a much larger subsection of their fans and no one is claiming that it's proof no one should go to Knoxville

This is exactly right

i think besides calling JKS and scaring him off (shows immaturity but he is a young man) what bothers me more is that he quit on the team 2 games before the end of the season, a game after "98 yards with the boys"

I understand both decisions, 1 comes with the territory of a teenager, the other comes with protecting millions of dollars in assets. I think the unique thing nowadays is that these players are essentially on 1 year contracts and have to protect their best financial interest


A key principle in philosophy is that you always give your opponent the best possible interpretation.

Let me preface this by saying I'm not happy with how it played out...at all. But its not difficult to imagine a scenario where each of his actions are justified.

For instance: "His boys" included all of the players on the team. That included backup quarterback Chandler Rodgers. Now, I'm sure that when he was recruited the offensive coaches were very careful NOT to say things explicitly like "if you come here you are the guaranteed starter." But its not hard to imagine that it was heavily insinuated and I'm sure it was easy for a kid to take it as a guarantee.

I can also see Mendoza talking with Rodgers and Rodgers being frustrated that he isn't getting to play despite the impression he had when he chose to transfer to Cal that he was going to be the starter.

By the time of the SMU game our fate was already sealed. We made a bowl game, but win or lose it was going to be an uninspiring one. It was also the last chance Chandler Rodgers would get to start a game. Would it not have been doing "his boy" a solid to try to get him an opportunity to start in his home state in the last game of his collegiate career?

Further, if you felt your friend had been lied to about his starting prospects you might take it upon yourself to let the next guy being recruited know? That despite whatever they are being told they likely aren't going to start next year. It's not so much telling them to stay away or that they won't be able to compete...just clearing the air about what the last person was told and what their likely future is. And lets be honest, if Mendoza had stayed the chances of JKS starting this year are extremely low.

Of course after forcing his way out of the SMU game so his boy Chandler Rodgers could get a start and after JKS decommits after a chat with Mendoza the coaches and the fans turn on him. Despite potentially having every intention of being here this year priorities can change pretty quickly when the world collapses on you. Especially when there are mitigating family circumstances.

And its worth noting when he says "98 yards with my boys" he means 98 yards with his fellow players. "My boys" in no possible interpretation includes his coaches. The very coaches he may have felt lied to his friend Chandler Rodgers about whether or not they had a guaranteed starting spot if they came to Cal and may have lied to JKS about his starting prospects if he committed.

Is that how it played out? I have no clue. But its possible and entirely contiguous with his statement of "98 yards with my boys" along with every action that happened after.
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MrGPAC said:

TedfordTheGreat said:

ac_green33 said:

Bearly Clad said:

LunchTime said:

ColoradoBear said:

F Mendoza

That said, the thought of looking up his stats and worrying about how he is doing does not cross my mind on a regular basis. Only when there is yet another post on BI… it's good for your mentals just to let it go.

Now that it has been brought up, in addition to some weak sauce teams, Indiana actually plays two real games this year (no idea how Illinois was ranked) - @Oregon and @Penn State.

I am of the full opinion that part of the reason Mendoza sat out @SMU was because they had the best defense on our schedule and they could have thrashed him thus diminishing his portal value.

So maybe I watch the Oregon game just to see. Or maybe I go golfing because it really doesn't matter to me.




I feel like checking in on him like I do about checking in on any Cal player that leaves.

Rodgers, Lynch, Jackson, Gonzalez, etc. They all left early for a better opportunity and did well.


The "F Mendoza" petulance really shows why no players should come to Cal until its the destination... which makes it hard to be the destination.

Lets just be honest. Some of it is fans' sour grapes over the way he left, some of it was justified criticism, but most of it is just modern internet culture.

Yea the way he acted when he left was ****ty, and acting like he's terrible and would be exposed is stupid, but if anyone actually expects him to win the Heisman I have several bridges to sell you in New Mexico.

Having watched him at Indiana he's the same player he always was. He makes some big plays, he's better with his legs than he was credited with, he has some dog in him. But his deficiencies are still there. He takes some sacks that he shouldn't due to his lack of pocket presence (admittedly it seemed worse here because our OL was so weak), he still doesn't throw a great deep ball, he still doesn't read a defense very well.

Indiana fans are already noticing his shortcomings and commenting about them. When they hit the meat of their schedule and he crashes to the ground hard I'm sure the sour grapes folks will be out in force again. But nothing is ever as good or bad as it seems to be. He's not as good as he looks right now and he's not as bad as he will seem when he plays OhSt, Oregon, or PSU-Happy Valley.

These goldfish-length memory reactions and petty internet knee jerks are ridiculous both ways. Mendoza is a solidly above average college QB. He's not elite. He won't win the Heisman but he will win plenty of games this season. And a few vocal fans who dislike him based on his actions do not represent the Cal fanbase and shouldn't prevent any other player from coming here. Just look at the Tennessee treatment of Iamaleava, that's a much larger subsection of their fans and no one is claiming that it's proof no one should go to Knoxville

This is exactly right

i think besides calling JKS and scaring him off (shows immaturity but he is a young man) what bothers me more is that he quit on the team 2 games before the end of the season, a game after "98 yards with the boys"

I understand both decisions, 1 comes with the territory of a teenager, the other comes with protecting millions of dollars in assets. I think the unique thing nowadays is that these players are essentially on 1 year contracts and have to protect their best financial interest


A key principle in philosophy is that you always give your opponent the best possible interpretation.

Let me preface this by saying I'm not happy with how it played out...at all. But its not difficult to imagine a scenario where each of his actions are justified.

For instance: "His boys" included all of the players on the team. That included backup quarterback Chandler Rodgers. Now, I'm sure that when he was recruited the offensive coaches were very careful NOT to say things explicitly like "if you come here you are the guaranteed starter." But its not hard to imagine that it was heavily insinuated and I'm sure it was easy for a kid to take it as a guarantee.

I can also see Mendoza talking with Rodgers and Rodgers being frustrated that he isn't getting to play despite the impression he had when he chose to transfer to Cal that he was going to be the starter.

By the time of the SMU game our fate was already sealed. We made a bowl game, but win or lose it was going to be an uninspiring one. It was also the last chance Chandler Rodgers would get to start a game. Would it not have been doing "his boy" a solid to try to get him an opportunity to start in his home state in the last game of his collegiate career?

Further, if you felt your friend had been lied to about his starting prospects you might take it upon yourself to let the next guy being recruited know? That despite whatever they are being told they likely aren't going to start next year. It's not so much telling them to stay away or that they won't be able to compete...just clearing the air about what the last person was told and what their likely future is. And lets be honest, if Mendoza had stayed the chances of JKS starting this year are extremely low.

Of course after forcing his way out of the SMU game so his boy Chandler Rodgers could get a start and after JKS decommits after a chat with Mendoza the coaches and the fans turn on him. Despite potentially having every intention of being here this year priorities can change pretty quickly when the world collapses on you. Especially when there are mitigating family circumstances.

And its worth noting when he says "98 yards with my boys" he means 98 yards with his fellow players. "My boys" in no possible interpretation includes his coaches. The very coaches he may have felt lied to his friend Chandler Rodgers about whether or not they had a guaranteed starting spot if they came to Cal and may have lied to JKS about his starting prospects if he committed.

Is that how it played out? I have no clue. But its possible and entirely contiguous with his statement of "98 yards with my boys" along with every action that happened after.

i appreciate the extrapolation. Human psychology is complex. People make decisions for a variety of reasons and confounding factors.

At the end of the day, what i try to teach my kids is to act with integrity and do the best you can. I hope that someone is giving this type of advice to all these young men. Fernando seemed like a great young man, he was always vocal and well spoken. I have no problem giving him the benefit of the doubt. Whatever he messed up on, I hope he learns from it.
Big C
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As employees and employers, I think we all know that, when quitting a job, there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. If you do it the wrong way, you're gonna catch some s***. Maybe even more than you deserve, but there may be some animosity driving that and it's to be expected.

Ott: coulda been better
Mendoza: not good at all
WildBear
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NY times has FM as QB1 and second overall pick:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6678590/2025/10/02/nfl-mock-draft-2026-arch-manning-fernando-mendoza/?source=athletic_user_shared_article_copylink&smid=url-share-ta


Def left the wrong way and would have loved another first rounder at QB
Strykur
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WildBear said:

Def left the wrong way and would have loved another first rounder at QB

I know Mendoza was gonna be the guy, but the upside with JKS is pretty hard not to prefer at this point
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