I wonder what affiliation these blockheads have with Duke. Their verbal skills (not to mention senses of humor) don't sound like what I'd expect of Duke grads. I could guess that they work on the Duke janitorial staff, but that would be an insult to janitors everywhere.

HearstMining said:

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01Bear said:

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California (and Hawaii) tend to be more progressive than the rest of the country. It's not uncommon for folks in many other parts of the country to ridicule non-Anglo names and pretend it's just a joke. It's just part of systemic racism* to which they're blind. Of course, when this gets pointed out to them, they get defensive and make ridiculous arguments like "I can't be racist because my (insert relationship with random person of color here) is (insert minority)" or "it was just a joke!"

Of course, this isn't to say that the same thing doesn't also happen in California (and/or Hawaii). I've had "ching chong" slung my way since I was a kid. Also, just before Covid hit, I met an older gentleman who hit me with "Me Chinese, me play joke, me put peepee in your Coke." I understood he wasn't trying to be racist, per se (as he really didn't seem to know better and thought it was just a friendly way to try to connect with someone of Chinese descent). But that's the thing, often, the people throwing out these "jokes" don't think they're being racist or hurtful, but they don't realize that what they're doing is perpetuating the "othering" of non-Anglos/whites with these "jokes."

Then again, there are those who know exactly what they're doing. But that's a horse of a different color.


*Here, the implicit bias that anything not rooted in Anglo or white culture/tradition is somehow worth ridiculing because it's less deserving of respect.

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I don't think you have enough evidence to argue for systemic racism here. These yahoos would mispronounce any name with more than two syllables that they'd never seen before whether it was Lithuanian, German, French, Polynesian, Nigerian, Swedish, Italian, etc. I suspect they'd make fun of my last name (German, one syllable, non-phonetic spelling). Refusing to make an honest attempt to correctly pronounce a name is rude, disrespectful, and pretty stupid, but not necessarily racist.

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Did you just elide the Anglo-bias of my comment or do you think Anglo-bias is not a form of racism? Does racism have to be only based on color difference? Do I need to get into the history of white supremacy in the US and how even southern (e.g., Italians) and eastern Europeans (e.g., Germans) weren't considered "white" until the 20th century? How those from the Iberian peninsula were also not white until about the same time? How WASP-bias was the predominant form of white supremacy until the last 100 years or so?

Dude, you're a Cal alumnus, you should already know this. If you don't, then I encourage you to do a bit of reading on US history. I'm not saying this to be snide or snarky, but just to remind my fellow Cal alumnus that for Cal alumni, our education didn't end when we received our degrees. That's what sets us apart from the Ducks and Trojans of the world.

I was born in Duke, and I'm not proud of it, but when I was growing up, folks didn't even know who they were. I'd ask them their names and nobody would tell me. They also didn't know other people's names or how to pronounce them. When I left Duke for the first time and came to the United States, I remember feeling like there was a weight off my chest. My name is hard to pronounce, and I was tired of everybody making fun of me for my name, and that was only when they remembered I had one. But we should also remember that although Duke is thought of as being a sophisticated place, that is only the university. The rest of the country is extremely poor and uneducated. The average life expectancy in Duke is 56 years. To college kids that might sound old, but that's really very young. But Duke also suffers from many preventable diseases. It's really very tragic. I'm glad we play Duke because it's a meeting of two very different cultures, but I can't say I want to interact with anyone from Duke every again. Not after everything that's happened. It was truly a horrific experience.

Go Bears!

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They start their Cal analysis at the 43:26 mark, but not before a blatant attempt to mispronounce JKS' name for the sake of humor. I hope Jaron has a field day against these southerners

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When we finish off Duke we will know we finished off the bottom of the barrel........

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anyone with a webcam and microphone can host a podcast. its just a matter of getting four yahoos on the screen at the same time.

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i watched part of it. one of the yahoo complained about the game time being at 10:30 ET and said that he's not going to watch the game because its too late.

So being a fan is not a prerequisite either. U just need a mouth and a computer

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University of California at BerZerkly Declared..

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^ yet another "first post" by a verry familiar sounding pen
# tell us another one stranger

Rushinbear said:

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01Bear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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01Bear said:

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HearstMining said:

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01Bear said:

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California (and Hawaii) tend to be more progressive than the rest of the country. It's not uncommon for folks in many other parts of the country to ridicule non-Anglo names and pretend it's just a joke. It's just part of systemic racism* to which they're blind. Of course, when this gets pointed out to them, they get defensive and make ridiculous arguments like "I can't be racist because my (insert relationship with random person of color here) is (insert minority)" or "it was just a joke!"

Of course, this isn't to say that the same thing doesn't also happen in California (and/or Hawaii). I've had "ching chong" slung my way since I was a kid. Also, just before Covid hit, I met an older gentleman who hit me with "Me Chinese, me play joke, me put peepee in your Coke." I understood he wasn't trying to be racist, per se (as he really didn't seem to know better and thought it was just a friendly way to try to connect with someone of Chinese descent). But that's the thing, often, the people throwing out these "jokes" don't think they're being racist or hurtful, but they don't realize that what they're doing is perpetuating the "othering" of non-Anglos/whites with these "jokes."

Then again, there are those who know exactly what they're doing. But that's a horse of a different color.


*Here, the implicit bias that anything not rooted in Anglo or white culture/tradition is somehow worth ridiculing because it's less deserving of respect.

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I don't think you have enough evidence to argue for systemic racism here. These yahoos would mispronounce any name with more than two syllables that they'd never seen before whether it was Lithuanian, German, French, Polynesian, Nigerian, Swedish, Italian, etc. I suspect they'd make fun of my last name (German, one syllable, non-phonetic spelling). Refusing to make an honest attempt to correctly pronounce a name is rude, disrespectful, and pretty stupid, but not necessarily racist.

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Did you just elide the Anglo-bias of my comment or do you think Anglo-bias is not a form of racism? Does racism have to be only based on color difference? Do I need to get into the history of white supremacy in the US and how even southern (e.g., Italians) and eastern Europeans (e.g., Germans) weren't considered "white" until the 20th century? How those from the Iberian peninsula were also not white until about the same time? How WASP-bias was the predominant form of white supremacy until the last 100 years or so?

Dude, you're a Cal alumnus, you should already know this. If you don't, then I encourage you to do a bit of reading on US history. I'm not saying this to be snide or snarky, but just to remind my fellow Cal alumnus that for Cal alumni, our education didn't end when we received our degrees. That's what sets us apart from the Ducks and Trojans of the world.

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Oh, puhleeeeeze! You have just made yourself the spokesperson for academia-ism. Stow it! This is a Cal football forum.

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LOL!!!! Oh man, is your post hilarious!

First, not only is it deeply flawed, no one's made anyone anything with my post. Second, it's like you said, this is a Cal football forum. Third, one of the major selling points about Cal football is that Cal's education (you know, the academia you seem to decry) is second to none. As is often stated in this forum, getting a Cal degree is is 40 year decision. Given that a football career is unlikely to last 40 years, that suggests there's more to attending Cal than just playing football, part of that is the networking, which in turn is based on that academia you seem to loathe.

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you can't play the racism card and not expect blow back. all these opinions about whites and racism are transparent...and divisive. most everyone is past that. we're all together as Californians and Cal fans. why not leave it at that and limit it to your football opinions.

Rushin Bear, Cal '67, Honors with Great Distinction, '68, MA, Prof. Emeritus, Univ of Connecticut, Storrs.

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What do you think you accomplished by putting your academic credentials in there?

FuzzyWuzzy said:

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Rushinbear said:

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01Bear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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01Bear said:

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HearstMining said:

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01Bear said:

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California (and Hawaii) tend to be more progressive than the rest of the country. It's not uncommon for folks in many other parts of the country to ridicule non-Anglo names and pretend it's just a joke. It's just part of systemic racism* to which they're blind. Of course, when this gets pointed out to them, they get defensive and make ridiculous arguments like "I can't be racist because my (insert relationship with random person of color here) is (insert minority)" or "it was just a joke!"

Of course, this isn't to say that the same thing doesn't also happen in California (and/or Hawaii). I've had "ching chong" slung my way since I was a kid. Also, just before Covid hit, I met an older gentleman who hit me with "Me Chinese, me play joke, me put peepee in your Coke." I understood he wasn't trying to be racist, per se (as he really didn't seem to know better and thought it was just a friendly way to try to connect with someone of Chinese descent). But that's the thing, often, the people throwing out these "jokes" don't think they're being racist or hurtful, but they don't realize that what they're doing is perpetuating the "othering" of non-Anglos/whites with these "jokes."

Then again, there are those who know exactly what they're doing. But that's a horse of a different color.


*Here, the implicit bias that anything not rooted in Anglo or white culture/tradition is somehow worth ridiculing because it's less deserving of respect.

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I don't think you have enough evidence to argue for systemic racism here. These yahoos would mispronounce any name with more than two syllables that they'd never seen before whether it was Lithuanian, German, French, Polynesian, Nigerian, Swedish, Italian, etc. I suspect they'd make fun of my last name (German, one syllable, non-phonetic spelling). Refusing to make an honest attempt to correctly pronounce a name is rude, disrespectful, and pretty stupid, but not necessarily racist.

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Did you just elide the Anglo-bias of my comment or do you think Anglo-bias is not a form of racism? Does racism have to be only based on color difference? Do I need to get into the history of white supremacy in the US and how even southern (e.g., Italians) and eastern Europeans (e.g., Germans) weren't considered "white" until the 20th century? How those from the Iberian peninsula were also not white until about the same time? How WASP-bias was the predominant form of white supremacy until the last 100 years or so?

Dude, you're a Cal alumnus, you should already know this. If you don't, then I encourage you to do a bit of reading on US history. I'm not saying this to be snide or snarky, but just to remind my fellow Cal alumnus that for Cal alumni, our education didn't end when we received our degrees. That's what sets us apart from the Ducks and Trojans of the world.

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Oh, puhleeeeeze! You have just made yourself the spokesperson for academia-ism. Stow it! This is a Cal football forum.

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LOL!!!! Oh man, is your post hilarious!

First, not only is it deeply flawed, no one's made anyone anything with my post. Second, it's like you said, this is a Cal football forum. Third, one of the major selling points about Cal football is that Cal's education (you know, the academia you seem to decry) is second to none. As is often stated in this forum, getting a Cal degree is is 40 year decision. Given that a football career is unlikely to last 40 years, that suggests there's more to attending Cal than just playing football, part of that is the networking, which in turn is based on that academia you seem to loathe.

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you can't play the racism card and not expect blow back. all these opinions about whites and racism are transparent...and divisive. most everyone is past that. we're all together as Californians and Cal fans. why not leave it at that and limit it to your football opinions.

Rushin Bear, Cal '67, Honors with Great Distinction, '68, MA, Prof. Emeritus, Univ of Connecticut, Storrs.

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What's your last name, so I can mock it?

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Rushin Bear. Wadda you, stupid?

ac_green33 said:

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Rushinbear said:

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01Bear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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01Bear said:

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HearstMining said:

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01Bear said:

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California (and Hawaii) tend to be more progressive than the rest of the country. It's not uncommon for folks in many other parts of the country to ridicule non-Anglo names and pretend it's just a joke. It's just part of systemic racism* to which they're blind. Of course, when this gets pointed out to them, they get defensive and make ridiculous arguments like "I can't be racist because my (insert relationship with random person of color here) is (insert minority)" or "it was just a joke!"

Of course, this isn't to say that the same thing doesn't also happen in California (and/or Hawaii). I've had "ching chong" slung my way since I was a kid. Also, just before Covid hit, I met an older gentleman who hit me with "Me Chinese, me play joke, me put peepee in your Coke." I understood he wasn't trying to be racist, per se (as he really didn't seem to know better and thought it was just a friendly way to try to connect with someone of Chinese descent). But that's the thing, often, the people throwing out these "jokes" don't think they're being racist or hurtful, but they don't realize that what they're doing is perpetuating the "othering" of non-Anglos/whites with these "jokes."

Then again, there are those who know exactly what they're doing. But that's a horse of a different color.


*Here, the implicit bias that anything not rooted in Anglo or white culture/tradition is somehow worth ridiculing because it's less deserving of respect.

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I don't think you have enough evidence to argue for systemic racism here. These yahoos would mispronounce any name with more than two syllables that they'd never seen before whether it was Lithuanian, German, French, Polynesian, Nigerian, Swedish, Italian, etc. I suspect they'd make fun of my last name (German, one syllable, non-phonetic spelling). Refusing to make an honest attempt to correctly pronounce a name is rude, disrespectful, and pretty stupid, but not necessarily racist.

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Did you just elide the Anglo-bias of my comment or do you think Anglo-bias is not a form of racism? Does racism have to be only based on color difference? Do I need to get into the history of white supremacy in the US and how even southern (e.g., Italians) and eastern Europeans (e.g., Germans) weren't considered "white" until the 20th century? How those from the Iberian peninsula were also not white until about the same time? How WASP-bias was the predominant form of white supremacy until the last 100 years or so?

Dude, you're a Cal alumnus, you should already know this. If you don't, then I encourage you to do a bit of reading on US history. I'm not saying this to be snide or snarky, but just to remind my fellow Cal alumnus that for Cal alumni, our education didn't end when we received our degrees. That's what sets us apart from the Ducks and Trojans of the world.

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Oh, puhleeeeeze! You have just made yourself the spokesperson for academia-ism. Stow it! This is a Cal football forum.

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LOL!!!! Oh man, is your post hilarious!

First, not only is it deeply flawed, no one's made anyone anything with my post. Second, it's like you said, this is a Cal football forum. Third, one of the major selling points about Cal football is that Cal's education (you know, the academia you seem to decry) is second to none. As is often stated in this forum, getting a Cal degree is is 40 year decision. Given that a football career is unlikely to last 40 years, that suggests there's more to attending Cal than just playing football, part of that is the networking, which in turn is based on that academia you seem to loathe.

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you can't play the racism card and not expect blow back. all these opinions about whites and racism are transparent...and divisive. most everyone is past that. we're all together as Californians and Cal fans. why not leave it at that and limit it to your football opinions.

Rushin Bear, Cal '67, Honors with Great Distinction, '68, MA, Prof. Emeritus, Univ of Connecticut, Storrs.

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What do you think you accomplished by putting your academic credentials in there?

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the "academia you seem to loathe" crack. I took that a little personal.

HearstMining said:

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01Bear said:

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California (and Hawaii) tend to be more progressive than the rest of the country. It's not uncommon for folks in many other parts of the country to ridicule non-Anglo names and pretend it's just a joke. It's just part of systemic racism* to which they're blind. Of course, when this gets pointed out to them, they get defensive and make ridiculous arguments like "I can't be racist because my (insert relationship with random person of color here) is (insert minority)" or "it was just a joke!"

Of course, this isn't to say that the same thing doesn't also happen in California (and/or Hawaii). I've had "ching chong" slung my way since I was a kid. Also, just before Covid hit, I met an older gentleman who hit me with "Me Chinese, me play joke, me put peepee in your Coke." I understood he wasn't trying to be racist, per se (as he really didn't seem to know better and thought it was just a friendly way to try to connect with someone of Chinese descent). But that's the thing, often, the people throwing out these "jokes" don't think they're being racist or hurtful, but they don't realize that what they're doing is perpetuating the "othering" of non-Anglos/whites with these "jokes."

Then again, there are those who know exactly what they're doing. But that's a horse of a different color.


*Here, the implicit bias that anything not rooted in Anglo or white culture/tradition is somehow worth ridiculing because it's less deserving of respect.

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I don't think you have enough evidence to argue for systemic racism here. These yahoos would mispronounce any name with more than two syllables that they'd never seen before whether it was Lithuanian, German, French, Polynesian, Nigerian, Swedish, Italian, etc. I suspect they'd make fun of my last name (German, one syllable, non-phonetic spelling). Refusing to make an honest attempt to correctly pronounce a name is rude, disrespectful, and pretty stupid, but not necessarily racist.

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Okay. Maybe not racism.
But definitely xenophobia then!

I was going to say that the guy in the upper left might have gone to Duke but the fat guys on the bottom have only been out of the country when they got drunk in Mexico and then looked down upon everyone around them. They don't understand the world and their (fortunate) place in it.

Sagapolutele is super easy to pronounce if you just sound it out because every letter has its say.

Interesting discussion on how the 10:30pm EST will affect Duke. Or how a noon EST time affects west coast teams.

I agree with the top left guy, early morning is worse.

Nonetheless, I hope we put them to sleep. Night night.

sycasey said:

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From a look over the Duke football message boards, their fans seem pretty down-to-earth and realistic about their team, and legitimately curious about what Cal's program is like (not dismissive). Seen the same from those who ventured in here to comment.

I wouldn't pay these chuckleheads too much mind.

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What forum? Didn't see anything other than 247

concordtom said:

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HearstMining said:

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01Bear said:

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California (and Hawaii) tend to be more progressive than the rest of the country. It's not uncommon for folks in many other parts of the country to ridicule non-Anglo names and pretend it's just a joke. It's just part of systemic racism* to which they're blind. Of course, when this gets pointed out to them, they get defensive and make ridiculous arguments like "I can't be racist because my (insert relationship with random person of color here) is (insert minority)" or "it was just a joke!"

Of course, this isn't to say that the same thing doesn't also happen in California (and/or Hawaii). I've had "ching chong" slung my way since I was a kid. Also, just before Covid hit, I met an older gentleman who hit me with "Me Chinese, me play joke, me put peepee in your Coke." I understood he wasn't trying to be racist, per se (as he really didn't seem to know better and thought it was just a friendly way to try to connect with someone of Chinese descent). But that's the thing, often, the people throwing out these "jokes" don't think they're being racist or hurtful, but they don't realize that what they're doing is perpetuating the "othering" of non-Anglos/whites with these "jokes."

Then again, there are those who know exactly what they're doing. But that's a horse of a different color.


*Here, the implicit bias that anything not rooted in Anglo or white culture/tradition is somehow worth ridiculing because it's less deserving of respect.

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I don't think you have enough evidence to argue for systemic racism here. These yahoos would mispronounce any name with more than two syllables that they'd never seen before whether it was Lithuanian, German, French, Polynesian, Nigerian, Swedish, Italian, etc. I suspect they'd make fun of my last name (German, one syllable, non-phonetic spelling). Refusing to make an honest attempt to correctly pronounce a name is rude, disrespectful, and pretty stupid, but not necessarily racist.

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Okay. Maybe not racism.
But definitely xenophobia then!

I was going to say that the guy in the upper left might have gone to Duke but the fat guys on the bottom have only been out of the country when they got drunk in Mexico and then looked down upon everyone around them. They don't understand the world and their (fortunate) place in it.

Sagapolutele is super easy to pronounce if you just sound it out because every letter has its say.

Interesting discussion on how the 10:30pm EST will affect Duke. Or how a noon EST time affects west coast teams.

I agree with the top left guy, early morning is worse.

Nonetheless, I hope we put them to sleep. Night night.

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c'mon. xenophobia? you don't get it - these guys get income and jollies from purposely doing stuff like this. They're trying to attract a certain percentage of the Duke market (a small percentage, but they're desperate).

As to JKS pronunciation, I keep hearing lately that announcers are slipping an "n" in there, as in "Sangapolutele" I don't think that's right, but maybe it is and they've been updated on it in the last week or two. Anybody know?

Rushinbear said:

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FuzzyWuzzy said:

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Rushinbear said:

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01Bear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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01Bear said:

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HearstMining said:

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01Bear said:

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California (and Hawaii) tend to be more progressive than the rest of the country. It's not uncommon for folks in many other parts of the country to ridicule non-Anglo names and pretend it's just a joke. It's just part of systemic racism* to which they're blind. Of course, when this gets pointed out to them, they get defensive and make ridiculous arguments like "I can't be racist because my (insert relationship with random person of color here) is (insert minority)" or "it was just a joke!"

Of course, this isn't to say that the same thing doesn't also happen in California (and/or Hawaii). I've had "ching chong" slung my way since I was a kid. Also, just before Covid hit, I met an older gentleman who hit me with "Me Chinese, me play joke, me put peepee in your Coke." I understood he wasn't trying to be racist, per se (as he really didn't seem to know better and thought it was just a friendly way to try to connect with someone of Chinese descent). But that's the thing, often, the people throwing out these "jokes" don't think they're being racist or hurtful, but they don't realize that what they're doing is perpetuating the "othering" of non-Anglos/whites with these "jokes."

Then again, there are those who know exactly what they're doing. But that's a horse of a different color.


*Here, the implicit bias that anything not rooted in Anglo or white culture/tradition is somehow worth ridiculing because it's less deserving of respect.

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I don't think you have enough evidence to argue for systemic racism here. These yahoos would mispronounce any name with more than two syllables that they'd never seen before whether it was Lithuanian, German, French, Polynesian, Nigerian, Swedish, Italian, etc. I suspect they'd make fun of my last name (German, one syllable, non-phonetic spelling). Refusing to make an honest attempt to correctly pronounce a name is rude, disrespectful, and pretty stupid, but not necessarily racist.

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Did you just elide the Anglo-bias of my comment or do you think Anglo-bias is not a form of racism? Does racism have to be only based on color difference? Do I need to get into the history of white supremacy in the US and how even southern (e.g., Italians) and eastern Europeans (e.g., Germans) weren't considered "white" until the 20th century? How those from the Iberian peninsula were also not white until about the same time? How WASP-bias was the predominant form of white supremacy until the last 100 years or so?

Dude, you're a Cal alumnus, you should already know this. If you don't, then I encourage you to do a bit of reading on US history. I'm not saying this to be snide or snarky, but just to remind my fellow Cal alumnus that for Cal alumni, our education didn't end when we received our degrees. That's what sets us apart from the Ducks and Trojans of the world.

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Oh, puhleeeeeze! You have just made yourself the spokesperson for academia-ism. Stow it! This is a Cal football forum.

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LOL!!!! Oh man, is your post hilarious!

First, not only is it deeply flawed, no one's made anyone anything with my post. Second, it's like you said, this is a Cal football forum. Third, one of the major selling points about Cal football is that Cal's education (you know, the academia you seem to decry) is second to none. As is often stated in this forum, getting a Cal degree is is 40 year decision. Given that a football career is unlikely to last 40 years, that suggests there's more to attending Cal than just playing football, part of that is the networking, which in turn is based on that academia you seem to loathe.

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you can't play the racism card and not expect blow back. all these opinions about whites and racism are transparent...and divisive. most everyone is past that. we're all together as Californians and Cal fans. why not leave it at that and limit it to your football opinions.

Rushin Bear, Cal '67, Honors with Great Distinction, '68, MA, Prof. Emeritus, Univ of Connecticut, Storrs.

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What's your last name, so I can mock it?

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Rushin Bear. Wadda you, stupid?

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You don't like to be mocked, do you boomer? Thus the deflection.

Anarchistbear said:

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Duke is a half a$$ed University, pretentious respectability built on a pile of cigarette butts. I'm delighted they are in the conference as it creates a whole new line of smug $$$holes, worthy of hate

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You're into hate, are you?
Thanks for letting me know.

FuzzyWuzzy said:

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Rushinbear said:

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FuzzyWuzzy said:

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Rushinbear said:

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01Bear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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01Bear said:

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HearstMining said:

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01Bear said:

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California (and Hawaii) tend to be more progressive than the rest of the country. It's not uncommon for folks in many other parts of the country to ridicule non-Anglo names and pretend it's just a joke. It's just part of systemic racism* to which they're blind. Of course, when this gets pointed out to them, they get defensive and make ridiculous arguments like "I can't be racist because my (insert relationship with random person of color here) is (insert minority)" or "it was just a joke!"

Of course, this isn't to say that the same thing doesn't also happen in California (and/or Hawaii). I've had "ching chong" slung my way since I was a kid. Also, just before Covid hit, I met an older gentleman who hit me with "Me Chinese, me play joke, me put peepee in your Coke." I understood he wasn't trying to be racist, per se (as he really didn't seem to know better and thought it was just a friendly way to try to connect with someone of Chinese descent). But that's the thing, often, the people throwing out these "jokes" don't think they're being racist or hurtful, but they don't realize that what they're doing is perpetuating the "othering" of non-Anglos/whites with these "jokes."

Then again, there are those who know exactly what they're doing. But that's a horse of a different color.


*Here, the implicit bias that anything not rooted in Anglo or white culture/tradition is somehow worth ridiculing because it's less deserving of respect.

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I don't think you have enough evidence to argue for systemic racism here. These yahoos would mispronounce any name with more than two syllables that they'd never seen before whether it was Lithuanian, German, French, Polynesian, Nigerian, Swedish, Italian, etc. I suspect they'd make fun of my last name (German, one syllable, non-phonetic spelling). Refusing to make an honest attempt to correctly pronounce a name is rude, disrespectful, and pretty stupid, but not necessarily racist.

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Did you just elide the Anglo-bias of my comment or do you think Anglo-bias is not a form of racism? Does racism have to be only based on color difference? Do I need to get into the history of white supremacy in the US and how even southern (e.g., Italians) and eastern Europeans (e.g., Germans) weren't considered "white" until the 20th century? How those from the Iberian peninsula were also not white until about the same time? How WASP-bias was the predominant form of white supremacy until the last 100 years or so?

Dude, you're a Cal alumnus, you should already know this. If you don't, then I encourage you to do a bit of reading on US history. I'm not saying this to be snide or snarky, but just to remind my fellow Cal alumnus that for Cal alumni, our education didn't end when we received our degrees. That's what sets us apart from the Ducks and Trojans of the world.

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Oh, puhleeeeeze! You have just made yourself the spokesperson for academia-ism. Stow it! This is a Cal football forum.

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LOL!!!! Oh man, is your post hilarious!

First, not only is it deeply flawed, no one's made anyone anything with my post. Second, it's like you said, this is a Cal football forum. Third, one of the major selling points about Cal football is that Cal's education (you know, the academia you seem to decry) is second to none. As is often stated in this forum, getting a Cal degree is is 40 year decision. Given that a football career is unlikely to last 40 years, that suggests there's more to attending Cal than just playing football, part of that is the networking, which in turn is based on that academia you seem to loathe.

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you can't play the racism card and not expect blow back. all these opinions about whites and racism are transparent...and divisive. most everyone is past that. we're all together as Californians and Cal fans. why not leave it at that and limit it to your football opinions.

Rushin Bear, Cal '67, Honors with Great Distinction, '68, MA, Prof. Emeritus, Univ of Connecticut, Storrs.

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What's your last name, so I can mock it?

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Rushin Bear. Wadda you, stupid?

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You don't like to be mocked, do you boomer? Thus the deflection.

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Generational divisions are super weak of you. Says more about fuzzy wuzzy than anything else.

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California (and Hawaii) tend to be more progressive than the rest of the country. It's not uncommon for folks in many other parts of the country to ridicule non-Anglo names and pretend it's just a joke. It's just part of systemic racism* to which they're blind. Of course, when this gets pointed out to them, they get defensive and make ridiculous arguments like "I can't be racist because my (insert relationship with random person of color here) is (insert minority)" or "it was just a joke!"

Of course, this isn't to say that the same thing doesn't also happen in California (and/or Hawaii). I've had "ching chong" slung my way since I was a kid. Also, just before Covid hit, I met an older gentleman who hit me with "Me Chinese, me play joke, me put peepee in your Coke." I understood he wasn't trying to be racist, per se (as he really didn't seem to know better and thought it was just a friendly way to try to connect with someone of Chinese descent). But that's the thing, often, the people throwing out these "jokes" don't think they're being racist or hurtful, but they don't realize that what they're doing is perpetuating the "othering" of non-Anglos/whites with these "jokes."

Then again, there are those who know exactly what they're doing. But that's a horse of a different color.


*Here, the implicit bias that anything not rooted in Anglo or white culture/tradition is somehow worth ridiculing because it's less deserving of respect.

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I don't think you have enough evidence to argue for systemic racism here. These yahoos would mispronounce any name with more than two syllables that they'd never seen before whether it was Lithuanian, German, French, Polynesian, Nigerian, Swedish, Italian, etc. I suspect they'd make fun of my last name (German, one syllable, non-phonetic spelling). Refusing to make an honest attempt to correctly pronounce a name is rude, disrespectful, and pretty stupid, but not necessarily racist.

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Did you just elide the Anglo-bias of my comment or do you think Anglo-bias is not a form of racism? Does racism have to be only based on color difference? Do I need to get into the history of white supremacy in the US and how even southern (e.g., Italians) and eastern Europeans (e.g., Germans) weren't considered "white" until the 20th century? How those from the Iberian peninsula were also not white until about the same time? How WASP-bias was the predominant form of white supremacy until the last 100 years or so?

Dude, you're a Cal alumnus, you should already know this. If you don't, then I encourage you to do a bit of reading on US history. I'm not saying this to be snide or snarky, but just to remind my fellow Cal alumnus that for Cal alumni, our education didn't end when we received our degrees. That's what sets us apart from the Ducks and Trojans of the world.

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Oh, puhleeeeeze! You have just made yourself the spokesperson for academia-ism. Stow it! This is a Cal football forum.

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LOL!!!! Oh man, is your post hilarious!

First, not only is it deeply flawed, no one's made anyone anything with my post. Second, it's like you said, this is a Cal football forum. Third, one of the major selling points about Cal football is that Cal's education (you know, the academia you seem to decry) is second to none. As is often stated in this forum, getting a Cal degree is is 40 year decision. Given that a football career is unlikely to last 40 years, that suggests there's more to attending Cal than just playing football, part of that is the networking, which in turn is based on that academia you seem to loathe.

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you can't play the racism card and not expect blow back. all these opinions about whites and racism are transparent...and divisive. most everyone is past that. we're all together as Californians and Cal fans. why not leave it at that and limit it to your football opinions.

Rushin Bear, Cal '67, Honors with Great Distinction, '68, MA, Prof. Emeritus, Univ of Connecticut, Storrs.

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What's your last name, so I can mock it?

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Rushin Bear. Wadda you, stupid?

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You don't like to be mocked, do you boomer? Thus the deflection.

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Generational divisions are super weak of you. Says more about fuzzy wuzzy than anything else.

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Well, this got messy, didn't it. Why would I post my name? In this era? Then, I'd be stupid.

Great job posting this thing you hate to make sure it gets a bunch more views. KAL SMRT!

The biggest mistake in U.S. history was not letting Sherman finish the job.

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California (and Hawaii) tend to be more progressive than the rest of the country. It's not uncommon for folks in many other parts of the country to ridicule non-Anglo names and pretend it's just a joke. It's just part of systemic racism* to which they're blind. Of course, when this gets pointed out to them, they get defensive and make ridiculous arguments like "I can't be racist because my (insert relationship with random person of color here) is (insert minority)" or "it was just a joke!"

Of course, this isn't to say that the same thing doesn't also happen in California (and/or Hawaii). I've had "ching chong" slung my way since I was a kid. Also, just before Covid hit, I met an older gentleman who hit me with "Me Chinese, me play joke, me put peepee in your Coke." I understood he wasn't trying to be racist, per se (as he really didn't seem to know better and thought it was just a friendly way to try to connect with someone of Chinese descent). But that's the thing, often, the people throwing out these "jokes" don't think they're being racist or hurtful, but they don't realize that what they're doing is perpetuating the "othering" of non-Anglos/whites with these "jokes."

Then again, there are those who know exactly what they're doing. But that's a horse of a different color.


*Here, the implicit bias that anything not rooted in Anglo or white culture/tradition is somehow worth ridiculing because it's less deserving of respect.

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I don't think you have enough evidence to argue for systemic racism here. These yahoos would mispronounce any name with more than two syllables that they'd never seen before whether it was Lithuanian, German, French, Polynesian, Nigerian, Swedish, Italian, etc. I suspect they'd make fun of my last name (German, one syllable, non-phonetic spelling). Refusing to make an honest attempt to correctly pronounce a name is rude, disrespectful, and pretty stupid, but not necessarily racist.

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Did you just elide the Anglo-bias of my comment or do you think Anglo-bias is not a form of racism? Does racism have to be only based on color difference? Do I need to get into the history of white supremacy in the US and how even southern (e.g., Italians) and eastern Europeans (e.g., Germans) weren't considered "white" until the 20th century? How those from the Iberian peninsula were also not white until about the same time? How WASP-bias was the predominant form of white supremacy until the last 100 years or so?

Dude, you're a Cal alumnus, you should already know this. If you don't, then I encourage you to do a bit of reading on US history. I'm not saying this to be snide or snarky, but just to remind my fellow Cal alumnus that for Cal alumni, our education didn't end when we received our degrees. That's what sets us apart from the Ducks and Trojans of the world.

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Oh, puhleeeeeze! You have just made yourself the spokesperson for academia-ism. Stow it! This is a Cal football forum.

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LOL!!!! Oh man, is your post hilarious!

First, not only is it deeply flawed, no one's made anyone anything with my post. Second, it's like you said, this is a Cal football forum. Third, one of the major selling points about Cal football is that Cal's education (you know, the academia you seem to decry) is second to none. As is often stated in this forum, getting a Cal degree is is 40 year decision. Given that a football career is unlikely to last 40 years, that suggests there's more to attending Cal than just playing football, part of that is the networking, which in turn is based on that academia you seem to loathe.

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you can't play the racism card and not expect blow back. all these opinions about whites and racism are transparent...and divisive. most everyone is past that. we're all together as Californians and Cal fans. why not leave it at that and limit it to your football opinions.

Rushin Bear, Cal '67, Honors with Great Distinction, '68, MA, Prof. Emeritus, Univ of Connecticut, Storrs.

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What's your last name, so I can mock it?

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Rushin Bear. Wadda you, stupid?

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You don't like to be mocked, do you boomer? Thus the deflection.

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Generational divisions are super weak of you. Says more about fuzzy wuzzy than anything else.

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I chose the word boomer deliberately. It was meant to offend. Not because I don't like baby boomers as a generation; quite the contrary. I chose that word because Rushin Bear apparently lacks the empathy to understand or remember what it is like to be labeled and dismissed for a characteristic he can't help but have. It's not his fault he was born in 1945, and he would be rightfully offended if someone calls him a boomer in a derisive way. Maybe hearing a slur directed at himself will help him remember what it feels like before telling someone else to shut up about a slur directed at someone else.

Concord, I don't engage here much but I think of you as a poster of good faith. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't review the thread very closely. So allow me to recap for you:

1. Someone posts a video of a Duke podcaster mocking our QB's family name. I choose the word "mock" deliberately, because it was not an honest mistake. He did not fail to pronounce the name after an honest effort. He used "sack of ukuleles" and "Sacagawea" multiple times in place of trying to say the name, with the clear intent of eliciting laughs from his co-podcasters. As if to say, "have you heard a more ridiculous name?" Haha, real funny. The podcaster and our QB are of different races, a fact he undoubtedly knew.

2. Poster 01 here then calls out the Duke podcaster for racism, but goes on at length to describe how a mitigating circumstance here might be that the podcaster is just ignorant: "But that's the thing, often, the people throwing out these 'jokes; don't think they're being racist or hurtful, but they don't realize that what they're doing is perpetuating the 'othering' of non-Anglos/whites with these 'jokes.'" 01 gave the podcaster the benefit of the doubt.

3. Our man Rushin Bear upbraids 01 by saying claims of racism are deserving of blowback these days, and tells him to stick to Cal football (the original subject was a podcast about our quarterback, so yeah it was about Cal football). According to Rushin, "All these opinions about whites are transparent and divisive." All opinions about white racism, not some, are deserving of blowback. "Most everyone is past that," says our man. In the era of MAGA ascendancy, one should keep your mouth shut about racism and accept it, in this worldview.

4. My post, calling him a boomer, is to point out the hypocrisy of saying in effect that when someone belittles you, it's OK, but when someone belittles me, it's not. I knew someone would call me out for the boomer remark though tbh I didn't think it would be you.

So, Concord, do you still think calling him a boomer is weak of me? What would have been a better way to point out this double standard?

Bigotry on the basis of race or age is terrible. Telling someone they shouldn't call it out because "we" are all past that in the Maga era is equally contemptible and in many ways worse. Before the racists were more likely to be in hiding. Now, they are more likely to be out in the open thanks to this kind of apologism. I do not agree that the apologism should be given a pass any more than the racism itself.

Concord, I think you are on the wrong side of this argument. Rushin, however, is on the wrong side of history. Maga will be defeated and the racists will crawl back under the rock from which they have emerged.

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California (and Hawaii) tend to be more progressive than the rest of the country. It's not uncommon for folks in many other parts of the country to ridicule non-Anglo names and pretend it's just a joke. It's just part of systemic racism* to which they're blind. Of course, when this gets pointed out to them, they get defensive and make ridiculous arguments like "I can't be racist because my (insert relationship with random person of color here) is (insert minority)" or "it was just a joke!"

Of course, this isn't to say that the same thing doesn't also happen in California (and/or Hawaii). I've had "ching chong" slung my way since I was a kid. Also, just before Covid hit, I met an older gentleman who hit me with "Me Chinese, me play joke, me put peepee in your Coke." I understood he wasn't trying to be racist, per se (as he really didn't seem to know better and thought it was just a friendly way to try to connect with someone of Chinese descent). But that's the thing, often, the people throwing out these "jokes" don't think they're being racist or hurtful, but they don't realize that what they're doing is perpetuating the "othering" of non-Anglos/whites with these "jokes."

Then again, there are those who know exactly what they're doing. But that's a horse of a different color.


*Here, the implicit bias that anything not rooted in Anglo or white culture/tradition is somehow worth ridiculing because it's less deserving of respect.

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I don't think you have enough evidence to argue for systemic racism here. These yahoos would mispronounce any name with more than two syllables that they'd never seen before whether it was Lithuanian, German, French, Polynesian, Nigerian, Swedish, Italian, etc. I suspect they'd make fun of my last name (German, one syllable, non-phonetic spelling). Refusing to make an honest attempt to correctly pronounce a name is rude, disrespectful, and pretty stupid, but not necessarily racist.

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Did you just elide the Anglo-bias of my comment or do you think Anglo-bias is not a form of racism? Does racism have to be only based on color difference? Do I need to get into the history of white supremacy in the US and how even southern (e.g., Italians) and eastern Europeans (e.g., Germans) weren't considered "white" until the 20th century? How those from the Iberian peninsula were also not white until about the same time? How WASP-bias was the predominant form of white supremacy until the last 100 years or so?

Dude, you're a Cal alumnus, you should already know this. If you don't, then I encourage you to do a bit of reading on US history. I'm not saying this to be snide or snarky, but just to remind my fellow Cal alumnus that for Cal alumni, our education didn't end when we received our degrees. That's what sets us apart from the Ducks and Trojans of the world.

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Oh, puhleeeeeze! You have just made yourself the spokesperson for academia-ism. Stow it! This is a Cal football forum.

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LOL!!!! Oh man, is your post hilarious!

First, not only is it deeply flawed, no one's made anyone anything with my post. Second, it's like you said, this is a Cal football forum. Third, one of the major selling points about Cal football is that Cal's education (you know, the academia you seem to decry) is second to none. As is often stated in this forum, getting a Cal degree is is 40 year decision. Given that a football career is unlikely to last 40 years, that suggests there's more to attending Cal than just playing football, part of that is the networking, which in turn is based on that academia you seem to loathe.

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you can't play the racism card and not expect blow back. all these opinions about whites and racism are transparent...and divisive. most everyone is past that. we're all together as Californians and Cal fans. why not leave it at that and limit it to your football opinions.

Rushin Bear, Cal '67, Honors with Great Distinction, '68, MA, Prof. Emeritus, Univ of Connecticut, Storrs.

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Blow back is one thing, ignorant reflexive kneejerk responses devoid of a scintilla of rationality is another matter. What's worse is when such a response completely ignores the central form of racism (Anglo-bias) in my post to focus on a form of racism (white bias), which I did mention but which was not the primary form of racism emphasized in my post.

Compound that with attacks on my person in the form of false accusations of self-aggrandizement (because why argue with logic when one can make stupid ad hominem attacks, right?) and an equally idiotic attempt to gatekeep what can be discussed on a Cal football form (by demanding that Cal alumni must leave our erudition in order to post here); is it any wonder I can only laugh at your post?

That said, what opinions do you think I made about whites? If anything, I did not opine on whites whatsoever. Rather, I just pointed out matters of fact, to which anyone who has studied US history can attest. The definition of "whiteness" (or who passes for "white") has evolved throughout the centuries. If anything, it's the modern ignorant know-nothings who pretend that "whiteness" has remained unchanged throughout the centuries, such that their understanding of "whiteness" is the same as that of "White" Americans from the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries.

If anything the one sowing division here is you. You're the one trying to suggest that I somehow painted all white people with the same brush with my post. I did no such thing in my post. If anything, I never once identified the color or race of any of the folks who engaged in the otherism. That said, the fact that you immediately jumped to the conclusion that they were all white serves to prove my point that systemic (Anglo bias or white bias) racism exists as you can't imagine anyone not white engaging in the otherism.

Also, it should be mentioned that your intentional misreading of my post and subsequent accusatory post serve no purpose but to cause the very division you pretend to abhor. Ironically, your very obvious projection is even more transparent than that of which you want to accuse me. I can only laugh at such ridiculousness.

To borrow from that worthy notable, Calstrong, "Look in the mirror. Be more like Cal and less like you."

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California (and Hawaii) tend to be more progressive than the rest of the country. It's not uncommon for folks in many other parts of the country to ridicule non-Anglo names and pretend it's just a joke. It's just part of systemic racism* to which they're blind. Of course, when this gets pointed out to them, they get defensive and make ridiculous arguments like "I can't be racist because my (insert relationship with random person of color here) is (insert minority)" or "it was just a joke!"

Of course, this isn't to say that the same thing doesn't also happen in California (and/or Hawaii). I've had "ching chong" slung my way since I was a kid. Also, just before Covid hit, I met an older gentleman who hit me with "Me Chinese, me play joke, me put peepee in your Coke." I understood he wasn't trying to be racist, per se (as he really didn't seem to know better and thought it was just a friendly way to try to connect with someone of Chinese descent). But that's the thing, often, the people throwing out these "jokes" don't think they're being racist or hurtful, but they don't realize that what they're doing is perpetuating the "othering" of non-Anglos/whites with these "jokes."

Then again, there are those who know exactly what they're doing. But that's a horse of a different color.


*Here, the implicit bias that anything not rooted in Anglo or white culture/tradition is somehow worth ridiculing because it's less deserving of respect.

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I don't think you have enough evidence to argue for systemic racism here. These yahoos would mispronounce any name with more than two syllables that they'd never seen before whether it was Lithuanian, German, French, Polynesian, Nigerian, Swedish, Italian, etc. I suspect they'd make fun of my last name (German, one syllable, non-phonetic spelling). Refusing to make an honest attempt to correctly pronounce a name is rude, disrespectful, and pretty stupid, but not necessarily racist.

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Did you just elide the Anglo-bias of my comment or do you think Anglo-bias is not a form of racism? Does racism have to be only based on color difference? Do I need to get into the history of white supremacy in the US and how even southern (e.g., Italians) and eastern Europeans (e.g., Germans) weren't considered "white" until the 20th century? How those from the Iberian peninsula were also not white until about the same time? How WASP-bias was the predominant form of white supremacy until the last 100 years or so?

Dude, you're a Cal alumnus, you should already know this. If you don't, then I encourage you to do a bit of reading on US history. I'm not saying this to be snide or snarky, but just to remind my fellow Cal alumnus that for Cal alumni, our education didn't end when we received our degrees. That's what sets us apart from the Ducks and Trojans of the world.

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Oh, puhleeeeeze! You have just made yourself the spokesperson for academia-ism. Stow it! This is a Cal football forum.

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LOL!!!! Oh man, is your post hilarious!

First, not only is it deeply flawed, no one's made anyone anything with my post. Second, it's like you said, this is a Cal football forum. Third, one of the major selling points about Cal football is that Cal's education (you know, the academia you seem to decry) is second to none. As is often stated in this forum, getting a Cal degree is is 40 year decision. Given that a football career is unlikely to last 40 years, that suggests there's more to attending Cal than just playing football, part of that is the networking, which in turn is based on that academia you seem to loathe.

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you can't play the racism card and not expect blow back. all these opinions about whites and racism are transparent...and divisive. most everyone is past that. we're all together as Californians and Cal fans. why not leave it at that and limit it to your football opinions.

Rushin Bear, Cal '67, Honors with Great Distinction, '68, MA, Prof. Emeritus, Univ of Connecticut, Storrs.

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What's your last name, so I can mock it?

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Rushin Bear. Wadda you, stupid?

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You don't like to be mocked, do you boomer? Thus the deflection.

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Generational divisions are super weak of you. Says more about fuzzy wuzzy than anything else.

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Well, this got messy, didn't it. Why would I post my name? In this era? Then, I'd be stupid.

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Well, you did just post your C.V. in this thread, from which it would not be hard to find out your name. Was it unreasonable of me to think you might simply post it here if asked?

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The biggest mistake in U.S. history was not letting Sherman finish the job.

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I'm not touching that with a ten-foot pole!