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I am not - but OMG.
I am not - but OMG.
Holy Crap - He is going to win the Heisman
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Who? Inquiring minds want to know.
oskidunker said:
Who? Inquiring minds want to know.
Mendoza, Vegas has him 3rd behind Carson Beck and Ty Simpson.
Today he cemented his "winning" credentials, but not his Heisman credentials.
I expect Cal to boast about this like Hudson Valley Community College is boasting about its first Nobel winner.
Congratulations to HVCC alum Dr. Omar M. Yaghi ’83, co-recipient of the 2025 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for his groundbreaking work with metal–organic frameworks (MOFs)!
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Frankly I think our qb has looked better
Bring back It’s It’s to Haas Pavillion!
oskidunker said:
Frankly I think our qb has looked better
Mendoza QB rating 183.4
JKS QB rating 129.5
Mendoza Completion percentage 71.2%
JKS Completion percentage 62.2%
Mendoza yards per pass attempt: 9.3
JKS yards per attempt: 7.1
Mendoza Adjusted yards per attempt: 10.93
JKS Adjusted yards per attempt: 6.47
Mendoza Int: 2
JKS Int 7
Mendoza TD: 17
JKS TD: 9
Mendoza Rushing yards per attempt: 3.7 ypc
JKS Rushing yards per attempt: -0'7
Mendoza yards rushing: 133
JKS yards rushing: -19
Mendoza Rushing TD: 2
JKS Rushing TD: 1
Indiana opponents' sagarin ratings
Oregon - 2
Iowa - 23
Illinois - 26
Old Dominion - 62
Kennesaw State - 120
Indiana State - 218
Cal opponents' sagarin ratings
Duke - 34
Minnesota - 57
SDSU - 75
Boston College - 97
Oregon State - 132
Texas Southern - 222
On a side note, Cignetti is a whack job. Yelling at his players every time they go down for injury. His goofy halftime interview.
BearlyCareAnymore said:oskidunker said:
Frankly I think our qb has looked better
Mendoza QB rating 183.4
JKS QB rating 129.5
Mendoza Completion percentage 71.2%
JKS Completion percentage 62.2%
Mendoza yards per pass attempt: 9.3
JKS yards per attempt: 7.1
Mendoza Adjusted yards per attempt: 10.93
JKS Adjusted yards per attempt: 6.47
Mendoza Int: 2
JKS Int 7
Mendoza TD: 17
JKS TD: 9
Mendoza Rushing yards per attempt: 3.7 ypc
JKS Rushing yards per attempt: -0'7
Mendoza yards rushing: 133
JKS yards rushing: -19
Mendoza Rushing TD: 2
JKS Rushing TD: 1
Indiana opponents' sagarin ratings
Oregon - 2
Iowa - 23
Illinois - 26
Old Dominion - 62
Kennesaw State - 120
Indiana State - 218
Cal opponents' sagarin ratings
Duke - 34
Minnesota - 57
SDSU - 75
Boston College - 97
Oregon State - 132
Texas Southern - 222
thank you. JKS is a freshman with lots of upside. He is not better than Nando - yet
BancroftSteps said:
On a side note, Cignetti is a whack job. Yelling at his players every time they go down for injury. His goofy halftime interview.
Are you serious right now? He took a team that was 3-9 and 1-8 in conference and had 3 conference victories in 3 years and immediately went 11-1 and a trip to the college football playoff and is 6-0 in his second year after beating the #3 ranked team on the road. His only loss during the season has been to #2 Ohio State, and his only other loss is in the playoff to #5 Notre Dame. And your comment is he's a whack job?
Can Cal please find a whack job to run its program because normal ain't workin'
BearlyCareAnymore said:BancroftSteps said:
On a side note, Cignetti is a whack job. Yelling at his players every time they go down for injury. His goofy halftime interview.
Are you serious right now? He took a team that was 3-9 and 1-8 in conference and had 3 conference victories in 3 years and immediately went 11-1 and a trip to the college football playoff and is 6-0 in his second year after beating the #3 ranked team on the road. His only loss during the season has been to #2 Ohio State, and his only other loss is in the playoff to #5 Notre Dame. And your comment is he's a whack job?
Can Cal please find a whack job to run its program because normal ain't workin'
Finding a right coach is only part 1. Buying a team is part 2. Indiana's fortunes didn't change with just hiring Cignetti. NIL made that team.
As far as Mendoza for Heisman, I don't see it yet. He's not carrying that team, he's managing the assembled talent which is very good. There are plenty of QB's you could plug into that offense that could do the same job.
C6Bear said:BearlyCareAnymore said:BancroftSteps said:
On a side note, Cignetti is a whack job. Yelling at his players every time they go down for injury. His goofy halftime interview.
Are you serious right now? He took a team that was 3-9 and 1-8 in conference and had 3 conference victories in 3 years and immediately went 11-1 and a trip to the college football playoff and is 6-0 in his second year after beating the #3 ranked team on the road. His only loss during the season has been to #2 Ohio State, and his only other loss is in the playoff to #5 Notre Dame. And your comment is he's a whack job?
Can Cal please find a whack job to run its program because normal ain't workin'
Finding a right coach is only part 1. Buying a team is part 2. Indiana's fortunes didn't change with just hiring Cignetti. NIL made that team.
As far as Mendoza for Heisman, I don't see it yet. He's not carrying that team, he's managing the assembled talent which is very good. There are plenty of QB's you could plug into that offense that could do the same job.
Yes, except he is largely responsible for hustling to get buy in from major donors that a perennial loser could turn the program around and get the money for that NIL
He was caught on hot mic running off from the field of play while yelling at his player for going down with an injury. "We gotta be better than this!"
He was an emotional head case the whole game. Haha.
You can tell me how he turned around an abysmal Indiana team all you want. But that's not an indication of character whatsoever. It's kind of a Harbaugh thing maybe - but a little worse than that.
He was an emotional head case the whole game. Haha.
You can tell me how he turned around an abysmal Indiana team all you want. But that's not an indication of character whatsoever. It's kind of a Harbaugh thing maybe - but a little worse than that.
BancroftSteps said:
On a side note, Cignetti is a whack job. Yelling at his players every time they go down for injury. His goofy halftime interview.
That interview was cringe worthy.
C6Bear said:BearlyCareAnymore said:BancroftSteps said:
On a side note, Cignetti is a whack job. Yelling at his players every time they go down for injury. His goofy halftime interview.
Are you serious right now? He took a team that was 3-9 and 1-8 in conference and had 3 conference victories in 3 years and immediately went 11-1 and a trip to the college football playoff and is 6-0 in his second year after beating the #3 ranked team on the road. His only loss during the season has been to #2 Ohio State, and his only other loss is in the playoff to #5 Notre Dame. And your comment is he's a whack job?
Can Cal please find a whack job to run its program because normal ain't workin'
Finding a right coach is only part 1. Buying a team is part 2. Indiana's fortunes didn't change with just hiring Cignetti. NIL made that team.
As far as Mendoza for Heisman, I don't see it yet. He's not carrying that team, he's managing the assembled talent which is very good. There are plenty of QB's you could plug into that offense that could do the same job.
That's not how the Heisman works, typically it goes to the quarterback of the team with the best record. If they go 12-0 he will be the favorite, and if they beat OSU in the CCG he would be a lock.
BancroftSteps said:
He was caught on hot mic running off from the field of play while yelling at his player for going down with an injury. "We gotta be better than this!"
He was an emotional head case the whole game. Haha.
You can tell me how he turned around an abysmal Indiana team all you want. But that's not an indication of character whatsoever. It's kind of a Harbaugh thing maybe - but a little worse than that.
As opposed to our coach who calmly stares into space pretending to put lipstick on in front of pretend mirror all game and loses.
I'm not arguing whether he is a whack job or not. (I don't know and neither do you - though whatever he is doing he is getting the most out of his players) I'm saying it is ridiculous that you think your judgment of whether he is a whack job based on a very little is so remotely important FOR A FOOTBALL COACH, compared to the fact that he has overseen one of the most dramatic turnarounds in a program in college football history. Haha.
He ain't a professor and maybe Cal fans ought to stop acting like the skill sets are remotely similar. I loved spending five years having Cal fans tell me that "when Holmoe succeeds we will be so happy because he will have done it the right way."
Your way of thinking is arrogant, clueless, and completely destructive to the Cal football program. There is no indication that Cignetti has done anything that is unethical or lacks character. I'm not inviting him to high tea.
Cal88 said:C6Bear said:BearlyCareAnymore said:BancroftSteps said:
On a side note, Cignetti is a whack job. Yelling at his players every time they go down for injury. His goofy halftime interview.
Are you serious right now? He took a team that was 3-9 and 1-8 in conference and had 3 conference victories in 3 years and immediately went 11-1 and a trip to the college football playoff and is 6-0 in his second year after beating the #3 ranked team on the road. His only loss during the season has been to #2 Ohio State, and his only other loss is in the playoff to #5 Notre Dame. And your comment is he's a whack job?
Can Cal please find a whack job to run its program because normal ain't workin'
Finding a right coach is only part 1. Buying a team is part 2. Indiana's fortunes didn't change with just hiring Cignetti. NIL made that team.
As far as Mendoza for Heisman, I don't see it yet. He's not carrying that team, he's managing the assembled talent which is very good. There are plenty of QB's you could plug into that offense that could do the same job.
That's not how the Heisman works, typically it goes to the quarterback of the team with the best record. If they go 12-0 he will be the favorite, and if they beat OSU in the CCG he would be a lock.
It's supposed to go to the best player in the country. I think it did last year and it wasn't a QB on a winning team. There are more talented players on that Indiana team than Mendoza. The WR, whose name escapes me, may be the MVP of that team.
I looked it up earlier, the last 20 years the Heisman went to 2 RBs, 2 WRs, and 16 QBs. You have to be an exceptionally talented WR or RB to be in the mix.
BearlyCareAnymore said:BancroftSteps said:
He was caught on hot mic running off from the field of play while yelling at his player for going down with an injury. "We gotta be better than this!"
He was an emotional head case the whole game. Haha.
You can tell me how he turned around an abysmal Indiana team all you want. But that's not an indication of character whatsoever. It's kind of a Harbaugh thing maybe - but a little worse than that.
As opposed to our coach who calmly stares into space pretending to put lipstick on in front of pretend mirror all game and loses.
I'm not arguing whether he is a whack job or not. (I don't know and neither do you - though whatever he is doing he is getting the most out of his players) I'm saying it is ridiculous that you think your judgment of whether he is a whack job based on a very little is so remotely important FOR A FOOTBALL COACH, compared to the fact that he has overseen one of the most dramatic turnarounds in a program in college football history. Haha.
He ain't a professor and maybe Cal fans ought to stop acting like the skill sets are remotely similar. I loved spending five years having Cal fans tell me that "when Holmoe succeeds we will be so happy because he will have done it the right way."
Your way of thinking is arrogant, clueless, and completely destructive to the Cal football program. There is no indication that Cignetti has done anything that is unethical or lacks character. I'm not inviting him to high tea.
Agreed. There is a scary social engineering vibe to the persistent support of Wilcox. Specifically, it's not about hiring a winning gootball coach, its about what "we want" a winning football coach to look like, above all else. No previous Cal football head coach in history has been given these immense financial and human resources and time, but for some Crack pot notion that HE is how we want our coach to look and act. Holmoe is a great comp. Powerful Cal people desperately wanted him to figure it out during those 5 years cause they desperately wanted his image/likeness to represent us.
Tedford had that calm, professorial demeanor that we like and he also won, so you can have any kind of personality type that can turn around a program.
That said, Cal just needs anyone who can do it. Personality should be the least of our concerns. I also remember us making fun of Harbaugh's sideline demeanor while he was busy reshaping Stanford into a championship team.
That said, Cal just needs anyone who can do it. Personality should be the least of our concerns. I also remember us making fun of Harbaugh's sideline demeanor while he was busy reshaping Stanford into a championship team.
upsetof86 said:BearlyCareAnymore said:BancroftSteps said:
He was caught on hot mic running off from the field of play while yelling at his player for going down with an injury. "We gotta be better than this!"
He was an emotional head case the whole game. Haha.
You can tell me how he turned around an abysmal Indiana team all you want. But that's not an indication of character whatsoever. It's kind of a Harbaugh thing maybe - but a little worse than that.
As opposed to our coach who calmly stares into space pretending to put lipstick on in front of pretend mirror all game and loses.
I'm not arguing whether he is a whack job or not. (I don't know and neither do you - though whatever he is doing he is getting the most out of his players) I'm saying it is ridiculous that you think your judgment of whether he is a whack job based on a very little is so remotely important FOR A FOOTBALL COACH, compared to the fact that he has overseen one of the most dramatic turnarounds in a program in college football history. Haha.
He ain't a professor and maybe Cal fans ought to stop acting like the skill sets are remotely similar. I loved spending five years having Cal fans tell me that "when Holmoe succeeds we will be so happy because he will have done it the right way."
Your way of thinking is arrogant, clueless, and completely destructive to the Cal football program. There is no indication that Cignetti has done anything that is unethical or lacks character. I'm not inviting him to high tea.
Agreed. There is a scary social engineering vibe to the persistent support of Wilcox. Specifically, it's not about hiring a winning gootball coach, its about what "we want" a winning football coach to look like, above all else. No previous Cal football head coach in history has been given these immense financial and human resources and time, but for some Crack pot notion that HE is how we want our coach to look and act. Holmoe is a great comp. Powerful Cal people desperately wanted him to figure it out during those 5 years cause they desperately wanted his image/likeness to represent us.
I probably spend too much time reading this board and the premium board. And yet, I am not seeing this "persistent support of Wilcox", at least not lately. And if it wasn't for his lengthy contract with no discount for a buyout, "lately" would include the past 3-4 years.
Big C said:upsetof86 said:BearlyCareAnymore said:BancroftSteps said:
He was caught on hot mic running off from the field of play while yelling at his player for going down with an injury. "We gotta be better than this!"
He was an emotional head case the whole game. Haha.
You can tell me how he turned around an abysmal Indiana team all you want. But that's not an indication of character whatsoever. It's kind of a Harbaugh thing maybe - but a little worse than that.
As opposed to our coach who calmly stares into space pretending to put lipstick on in front of pretend mirror all game and loses.
I'm not arguing whether he is a whack job or not. (I don't know and neither do you - though whatever he is doing he is getting the most out of his players) I'm saying it is ridiculous that you think your judgment of whether he is a whack job based on a very little is so remotely important FOR A FOOTBALL COACH, compared to the fact that he has overseen one of the most dramatic turnarounds in a program in college football history. Haha.
He ain't a professor and maybe Cal fans ought to stop acting like the skill sets are remotely similar. I loved spending five years having Cal fans tell me that "when Holmoe succeeds we will be so happy because he will have done it the right way."
Your way of thinking is arrogant, clueless, and completely destructive to the Cal football program. There is no indication that Cignetti has done anything that is unethical or lacks character. I'm not inviting him to high tea.
Agreed. There is a scary social engineering vibe to the persistent support of Wilcox. Specifically, it's not about hiring a winning gootball coach, its about what "we want" a winning football coach to look like, above all else. No previous Cal football head coach in history has been given these immense financial and human resources and time, but for some Crack pot notion that HE is how we want our coach to look and act. Holmoe is a great comp. Powerful Cal people desperately wanted him to figure it out during those 5 years cause they desperately wanted his image/likeness to represent us.
I probably spend too much time reading this board and the premium board. And yet, I am not seeing this "persistent support of Wilcox", at least not lately. And if it wasn't for his lengthy contract with no discount for a buyout, "lately" would include the past 3-4 years.
I don't think there is persistent support among fan opinion, but there has been almost bizarrely persistent institutional and donor support for him. We are now years passed the point where it was clear that he was at best mediocre if not downright poor. Instead of raising money to cut him loose so we could find a good leader to run the program, as many wanted to do, we were told to raise money to buy him players to somehow drag this program to success in spite of his poor leadership. That didn't work so we hired a million former head coaches to drag his carcass to success. We've brought in Rivera and paid him top dollar to drag Wilcox's carcass to success. It is bizarre the lengths they are going to make WILCOX successful instead of making Cal successful which would point to a much simpler first step to the solution - get rid of Wilcox. At this point, if Cal succeeds it is because of everything Cal has done to prop him up, not because of him. Again Weekend at Bernie's comes to mind.
It is a really bad strategy to prop up dead weight in the most important position. He should have been replaced first and the next guy should have gotten the support. This seems pretty obvious so it begs the question why we have tried so hard to make him specifically successful. I don't think he is even that great as a "face of the program" or particularly ethical.
I hope Mendoza has a great year and career. I've no hard feelings about him leaving. He gave hope to a Cal football program that was in a desperate state when he took over. He was great for the Cal program until he made the (smart) decision to leave. To me, his departure was not all that different from past stars who left for the NFL when they had eligibility left. I'm thankful for what he did for Cal, and I enjoyed watching him.
Well said. This is exactly how I've felt. Glad to see I'm not the only one
BearlyCareAnymore said:Big C said:upsetof86 said:BearlyCareAnymore said:BancroftSteps said:
He was caught on hot mic running off from the field of play while yelling at his player for going down with an injury. "We gotta be better than this!"
He was an emotional head case the whole game. Haha.
You can tell me how he turned around an abysmal Indiana team all you want. But that's not an indication of character whatsoever. It's kind of a Harbaugh thing maybe - but a little worse than that.
As opposed to our coach who calmly stares into space pretending to put lipstick on in front of pretend mirror all game and loses.
I'm not arguing whether he is a whack job or not. (I don't know and neither do you - though whatever he is doing he is getting the most out of his players) I'm saying it is ridiculous that you think your judgment of whether he is a whack job based on a very little is so remotely important FOR A FOOTBALL COACH, compared to the fact that he has overseen one of the most dramatic turnarounds in a program in college football history. Haha.
He ain't a professor and maybe Cal fans ought to stop acting like the skill sets are remotely similar. I loved spending five years having Cal fans tell me that "when Holmoe succeeds we will be so happy because he will have done it the right way."
Your way of thinking is arrogant, clueless, and completely destructive to the Cal football program. There is no indication that Cignetti has done anything that is unethical or lacks character. I'm not inviting him to high tea.
Agreed. There is a scary social engineering vibe to the persistent support of Wilcox. Specifically, it's not about hiring a winning gootball coach, its about what "we want" a winning football coach to look like, above all else. No previous Cal football head coach in history has been given these immense financial and human resources and time, but for some Crack pot notion that HE is how we want our coach to look and act. Holmoe is a great comp. Powerful Cal people desperately wanted him to figure it out during those 5 years cause they desperately wanted his image/likeness to represent us.
I probably spend too much time reading this board and the premium board. And yet, I am not seeing this "persistent support of Wilcox", at least not lately. And if it wasn't for his lengthy contract with no discount for a buyout, "lately" would include the past 3-4 years.
I don't think there is persistent support among fan opinion, but there has been almost bizarrely persistent institutional and donor support for him. We are now years passed the point where it was clear that he was at best mediocre if not downright poor. Instead of raising money to cut him loose so we could find a good leader to run the program, as many wanted to do, we were told to raise money to buy him players to somehow drag this program to success in spite of his poor leadership. That didn't work so we hired a million former head coaches to drag his carcass to success. We've brought in Rivera and paid him top dollar to drag Wilcox's carcass to success. It is bizarre the lengths they are going to make WILCOX successful instead of making Cal successful which would point to a much simpler first step to the solution - get rid of Wilcox. At this point, if Cal succeeds it is because of everything Cal has done to prop him up, not because of him. Again Weekend at Bernie's comes to mind.
It is a really bad strategy to prop up dead weight in the most important position. He should have been replaced first and the next guy should have gotten the support. This seems pretty obvious so it begs the question why we have tried so hard to make him specifically successful. I don't think he is even that great as a "face of the program" or particularly ethical.
I mean, isn't the answer basically that our last AD signed him to a ridiculously long guaranteed contract so we are trying to make do for now?
If the answer is "just raise money to buy him out" then sure . . . but to do that you kind of needed to bring in Rivera and jettison Knowlton, right? No one was going to trust the next guy to hire Wilcox's replacement otherwise.
sycasey said:
Tedford had that calm, professorial demeanor that we like and he also won, so you can have any kind of personality type that can turn around a program.
OK but at least Tedford broke a few clip boards, especially the one when Riley (is that right?) let the clock expire, and he def would grab a jersey and yell into the face mask when players messed up.He even had that stereotypical coaches spittle flying from his mouth lol. He def showed passion on numerous occasions. I was fortunate enough to be on the field for games during Tedford's tenure and you could tell for sure when Tedford was seething. I agree that for the most part Tedford was composed on the sidelines, but I believe he was different than Wilcox because he did in fact express himself, sometimes very publicly.
BUT, I also believe your overall point remains. Perhaps any type of demeanor can turn a program around.
dmh65 said:
I hope Mendoza has a great year and career. I've no hard feelings about him leaving. He gave hope to a Cal football program that was in a desperate state when he took over. He was great for the Cal program until he made the (smart) decision to leave. To me, his departure was not all that different from past stars who left for the NFL when they had eligibility left. I'm thankful for what he did for Cal, and I enjoyed watching him.
I agree. I do not have ill feelings towards Mendoza, Ott or any of the other players who've left. It is unfortunate that this is college football in 2025, but I cannot blame the players for playing the system.
I do not recall Mendoza speaking poorly of Cal since his departure. To me, that is critical. If you speak about your previous college in this world of college football free agency, do it respectfully. That said, these are 19-22 year olds and not the most media savvy people yet. I am not going to take too personally what someone says to a reporter or on social media, unless it goes way too far.
I didn't compare him to Wilcox! This is hilarious! Exactly how is my critique of the head coach of Indiana football "destructive to the Cal football program"?!
This guy yelled at his player for going down with an injury and was caught on the ref's mic while doing so. In a weird moment where he ran across the field just for the chance to yell this at his player from maybe 5 yards away - within earshot of everybody else on the field. And, as it turns out, the rest of america? Dude ... you need to chill.
Again, not mentioning anything about our predicament with our current coach. No comparisons or anything else .... just an observation about a coach from a team completely unrelated to Cal.
Edit:
The more I think about it, I'm convinced you have coach envy and you have taken offense to a perceived slight to a coach you wish you had.
This guy yelled at his player for going down with an injury and was caught on the ref's mic while doing so. In a weird moment where he ran across the field just for the chance to yell this at his player from maybe 5 yards away - within earshot of everybody else on the field. And, as it turns out, the rest of america? Dude ... you need to chill.
Again, not mentioning anything about our predicament with our current coach. No comparisons or anything else .... just an observation about a coach from a team completely unrelated to Cal.
Edit:
The more I think about it, I'm convinced you have coach envy and you have taken offense to a perceived slight to a coach you wish you had.
sycasey said:BearlyCareAnymore said:Big C said:upsetof86 said:BearlyCareAnymore said:BancroftSteps said:
He was caught on hot mic running off from the field of play while yelling at his player for going down with an injury. "We gotta be better than this!"
He was an emotional head case the whole game. Haha.
You can tell me how he turned around an abysmal Indiana team all you want. But that's not an indication of character whatsoever. It's kind of a Harbaugh thing maybe - but a little worse than that.
As opposed to our coach who calmly stares into space pretending to put lipstick on in front of pretend mirror all game and loses.
I'm not arguing whether he is a whack job or not. (I don't know and neither do you - though whatever he is doing he is getting the most out of his players) I'm saying it is ridiculous that you think your judgment of whether he is a whack job based on a very little is so remotely important FOR A FOOTBALL COACH, compared to the fact that he has overseen one of the most dramatic turnarounds in a program in college football history. Haha.
He ain't a professor and maybe Cal fans ought to stop acting like the skill sets are remotely similar. I loved spending five years having Cal fans tell me that "when Holmoe succeeds we will be so happy because he will have done it the right way."
Your way of thinking is arrogant, clueless, and completely destructive to the Cal football program. There is no indication that Cignetti has done anything that is unethical or lacks character. I'm not inviting him to high tea.
Agreed. There is a scary social engineering vibe to the persistent support of Wilcox. Specifically, it's not about hiring a winning gootball coach, its about what "we want" a winning football coach to look like, above all else. No previous Cal football head coach in history has been given these immense financial and human resources and time, but for some Crack pot notion that HE is how we want our coach to look and act. Holmoe is a great comp. Powerful Cal people desperately wanted him to figure it out during those 5 years cause they desperately wanted his image/likeness to represent us.
I probably spend too much time reading this board and the premium board. And yet, I am not seeing this "persistent support of Wilcox", at least not lately. And if it wasn't for his lengthy contract with no discount for a buyout, "lately" would include the past 3-4 years.
I don't think there is persistent support among fan opinion, but there has been almost bizarrely persistent institutional and donor support for him. We are now years passed the point where it was clear that he was at best mediocre if not downright poor. Instead of raising money to cut him loose so we could find a good leader to run the program, as many wanted to do, we were told to raise money to buy him players to somehow drag this program to success in spite of his poor leadership. That didn't work so we hired a million former head coaches to drag his carcass to success. We've brought in Rivera and paid him top dollar to drag Wilcox's carcass to success. It is bizarre the lengths they are going to make WILCOX successful instead of making Cal successful which would point to a much simpler first step to the solution - get rid of Wilcox. At this point, if Cal succeeds it is because of everything Cal has done to prop him up, not because of him. Again Weekend at Bernie's comes to mind.
It is a really bad strategy to prop up dead weight in the most important position. He should have been replaced first and the next guy should have gotten the support. This seems pretty obvious so it begs the question why we have tried so hard to make him specifically successful. I don't think he is even that great as a "face of the program" or particularly ethical.
I mean, isn't the answer basically that our last AD signed him to a ridiculously long guaranteed contract so we are trying to make do for now?
If the answer is "just raise money to buy him out" then sure . . . but to do that you kind of needed to bring in Rivera and jettison Knowlton, right? No one was going to trust the next guy to hire Wilcox's replacement otherwise.
We were specifically told to give to NIL instead of buying out Wilcox because we we couldn't succeed without NIL with the theory being that somehow we could survive with Wilcox. I'd argue that was throwing good money after bad, that Wilcox wasn't going to succeed, and it would be better to tank NIL for a year and fire Wilcox because the NIL didn't increase our fortunes (which some saw coming)
We then chucked money at high priced assistants, including Rolo who is an EXTRA assistant thus extra expense, which I would again argue is throwing good money after bad and would be better served going toward the buyout or at least banked for the next coach, either for his salary or staff.
Hiring a GM was a good step, but it certainly feels like a lot of the motivation was to provide coaching advice which is not generally what a GM does. GM's should be managing the business end of things, not going to practices and generally lending coaching expertise as they have said Rivera is doing. If your coach needs that, you've already lost.
Cal88 said:
I looked it up earlier, the last 20 years the Heisman went to 2 RBs, 2 WRs, and 16 QBs. You have to be an exceptionally talented WR or RB to be in the mix.
What should happen and what does can be two very different things. The Heisman often devolves into being a publicity campaign and popularity contest. Then you've got subjective voters, many of whom who have barely seen some of the candidates play, deciding the outcome. How many Heisman's have you've seen given out and said, "really?" QB is the glamour position and will always outnumber other positions regardless of merit. My point is Mendoza isn't the most talented or most valuable player on that team, let alone the country.
graguna said:BearlyCareAnymore said:oskidunker said:
Frankly I think our qb has looked better
Mendoza QB rating 183.4
JKS QB rating 129.5
Mendoza Completion percentage 71.2%
JKS Completion percentage 62.2%
Mendoza yards per pass attempt: 9.3
JKS yards per attempt: 7.1
Mendoza Adjusted yards per attempt: 10.93
JKS Adjusted yards per attempt: 6.47
Mendoza Int: 2
JKS Int 7
Mendoza TD: 17
JKS TD: 9
Mendoza Rushing yards per attempt: 3.7 ypc
JKS Rushing yards per attempt: -0'7
Mendoza yards rushing: 133
JKS yards rushing: -19
Mendoza Rushing TD: 2
JKS Rushing TD: 1
Indiana opponents' sagarin ratings
Oregon - 2
Iowa - 23
Illinois - 26
Old Dominion - 62
Kennesaw State - 120
Indiana State - 218
Cal opponents' sagarin ratings
Duke - 34
Minnesota - 57
SDSU - 75
Boston College - 97
Oregon State - 132
Texas Southern - 222
thank you. JKS is a freshman with lots of upside. He is not better than Nando - yet
You can keep Mendoza. I'll go with JKS
Roll on you Bears!
BearlyCareAnymore said:Big C said:upsetof86 said:BearlyCareAnymore said:BancroftSteps said:
He was caught on hot mic running off from the field of play while yelling at his player for going down with an injury. "We gotta be better than this!"
He was an emotional head case the whole game. Haha.
You can tell me how he turned around an abysmal Indiana team all you want. But that's not an indication of character whatsoever. It's kind of a Harbaugh thing maybe - but a little worse than that.
As opposed to our coach who calmly stares into space pretending to put lipstick on in front of pretend mirror all game and loses.
I'm not arguing whether he is a whack job or not. (I don't know and neither do you - though whatever he is doing he is getting the most out of his players) I'm saying it is ridiculous that you think your judgment of whether he is a whack job based on a very little is so remotely important FOR A FOOTBALL COACH, compared to the fact that he has overseen one of the most dramatic turnarounds in a program in college football history. Haha.
He ain't a professor and maybe Cal fans ought to stop acting like the skill sets are remotely similar. I loved spending five years having Cal fans tell me that "when Holmoe succeeds we will be so happy because he will have done it the right way."
Your way of thinking is arrogant, clueless, and completely destructive to the Cal football program. There is no indication that Cignetti has done anything that is unethical or lacks character. I'm not inviting him to high tea.
Agreed. There is a scary social engineering vibe to the persistent support of Wilcox. Specifically, it's not about hiring a winning gootball coach, its about what "we want" a winning football coach to look like, above all else. No previous Cal football head coach in history has been given these immense financial and human resources and time, but for some Crack pot notion that HE is how we want our coach to look and act. Holmoe is a great comp. Powerful Cal people desperately wanted him to figure it out during those 5 years cause they desperately wanted his image/likeness to represent us.
I probably spend too much time reading this board and the premium board. And yet, I am not seeing this "persistent support of Wilcox", at least not lately. And if it wasn't for his lengthy contract with no discount for a buyout, "lately" would include the past 3-4 years.
I don't think there is persistent support among fan opinion, but there has been almost bizarrely persistent institutional and donor support for him. We are now years passed the point where it was clear that he was at best mediocre if not downright poor. Instead of raising money to cut him loose so we could find a good leader to run the program, as many wanted to do, we were told to raise money to buy him players to somehow drag this program to success in spite of his poor leadership. That didn't work so we hired a million former head coaches to drag his carcass to success. We've brought in Rivera and paid him top dollar to drag Wilcox's carcass to success. It is bizarre the lengths they are going to make WILCOX successful instead of making Cal successful which would point to a much simpler first step to the solution - get rid of Wilcox. At this point, if Cal succeeds it is because of everything Cal has done to prop him up, not because of him. Again Weekend at Bernie's comes to mind.
It is a really bad strategy to prop up dead weight in the most important position. He should have been replaced first and the next guy should have gotten the support. This seems pretty obvious so it begs the question why we have tried so hard to make him specifically successful. I don't think he is even that great as a "face of the program" or particularly ethical.
The Wilcox supporters are trying to be subtle with their support because they know the tide has turned significantly in favor of getting rid of Wilcox. But if you read between the lines, you can see it.
BearlyCareAnymore said:oskidunker said:
Frankly I think our qb has looked better
Mendoza QB rating 183.4
JKS QB rating 129.5
Mendoza Completion percentage 71.2%
JKS Completion percentage 62.2%
Mendoza yards per pass attempt: 9.3
JKS yards per attempt: 7.1
Mendoza Adjusted yards per attempt: 10.93
JKS Adjusted yards per attempt: 6.47
Mendoza Int: 2
JKS Int 7
Mendoza TD: 17
JKS TD: 9
Mendoza Rushing yards per attempt: 3.7 ypc
JKS Rushing yards per attempt: -0'7
Mendoza yards rushing: 133
JKS yards rushing: -19
Mendoza Rushing TD: 2
JKS Rushing TD: 1
Indiana opponents' sagarin ratings
Oregon - 2
Iowa - 23
Illinois - 26
Old Dominion - 62
Kennesaw State - 120
Indiana State - 218
Cal opponents' sagarin ratings
Duke - 34
Minnesota - 57
SDSU - 75
Boston College - 97
Oregon State - 132
Texas Southern - 222
You forgot a few…
Mendoza coach: Not Justin Wilcox
JKS coach: Justin Wilcox
Mendoza Oline NIL: millions
JKS Oline NIL: peanuts
Mendoza receiver drops: few and far between
JKS receiver drops: Sligntly less than if was throwing to stone statues
CNHTH said:BearlyCareAnymore said:oskidunker said:
Frankly I think our qb has looked better
Mendoza QB rating 183.4
JKS QB rating 129.5
Mendoza Completion percentage 71.2%
JKS Completion percentage 62.2%
Mendoza yards per pass attempt: 9.3
JKS yards per attempt: 7.1
Mendoza Adjusted yards per attempt: 10.93
JKS Adjusted yards per attempt: 6.47
Mendoza Int: 2
JKS Int 7
Mendoza TD: 17
JKS TD: 9
Mendoza Rushing yards per attempt: 3.7 ypc
JKS Rushing yards per attempt: -0'7
Mendoza yards rushing: 133
JKS yards rushing: -19
Mendoza Rushing TD: 2
JKS Rushing TD: 1
Indiana opponents' sagarin ratings
Oregon - 2
Iowa - 23
Illinois - 26
Old Dominion - 62
Kennesaw State - 120
Indiana State - 218
Cal opponents' sagarin ratings
Duke - 34
Minnesota - 57
SDSU - 75
Boston College - 97
Oregon State - 132
Texas Southern - 222
You forgot a few…
Mendoza coach: Not Justin Wilcox
JKS coach: Justin Wilcox
Mendoza Oline NIL: millions
JKS Oline NIL: peanuts
Mendoza receiver drops: few and far between
JKS receiver drops: Sligntly less than if was throwing to stone statues
One quibble. There have been drops for Mendoza. And in his first game he had a perfect 50+ yard TD muffed by his receiver. Lotta drops that game.
I already broke down Mendoza's stats from last year against this year's stats for JKS and those aren't close either, though much closer than this year. No doubt JKS would look better playing for Indiana, but OP's Statement was that our QB has looked better than Mendoza this year and whether due to supporting cast or not, the statement is ridiculous.
C6Bear said:Cal88 said:
I looked it up earlier, the last 20 years the Heisman went to 2 RBs, 2 WRs, and 16 QBs. You have to be an exceptionally talented WR or RB to be in the mix.
What should happen and what does can be two very different things. The Heisman often devolves into being a publicity campaign and popularity contest. Then you've got subjective voters, many of whom who have barely seen some of the candidates play, deciding the outcome. How many Heisman's have you've seen given out and said, "really?" QB is the glamour position and will always outnumber other positions regardless of merit. My point is Mendoza isn't the most talented or most valuable player on that team, let alone the country.
He went 21-23 with 5 TD's against Illinois who was number 9 at the time. That is not game manager material. Illinois has lost 2 games - Ohio State and Indiana. They crushed Duke and gave USC their only loss. If we swapped rosters and results with Indiana, Cal fans would be screaming for a Heisman for Mendoza.
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