GrizzledBear said:

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Looking forward to yet another week of Wilcox in the post game presser with "we just need to coach them up better. That's on me and the staff"

He's like a broken record with it every week

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westcoastdude said:

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JKE makes many great throws. His passes have zip and are accurate. He gets in trouble when he stares down receivers. He will get better at looking off receivers and fooling the defense.

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sycasey said:

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Water finds its level.

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Johnfox said:

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Garbers was really good. I don't care what anyone says about the arm strength or the record. He knew when to pass or run. There's a reason we were able to go neck and neck with a top 10 oregon team at Autzen. He was always poised and did the right things. Looked like a veteran out there

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I'm also a big fan of his. It's a shame Musgrave ruined a lot of his senior season.

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touchdownbears43 said:

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pingpong2 said:

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touchdownbears43 said:

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I'm here, this is the worst halftime show I've ever seen in my entire 20 years

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What is it?

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They played some obscure, non-big band set list and then had a bunch of seven-year-olds dancing to K-pop, it was the most lackluster HT I've ever seen. Absolutely worth an email to the AD

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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calumnus said:

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touchdownbears43 said:

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JKS hasn't developed into a QB with that "it" factor we all saw/felt with AR and JG. Just saying….

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Sagapolutele has been more consistent and shown better accuracy as a true freshman than Rodgers did as a transfer Sophomore in 2003, at least until his breakout game against VT in the Insight Bowl. Go back and look at Rodgers against Oregon State in 2003. And Rodgers was surrounded with great talent, a great OL, great running game and good WRs and TEs. On that same team Reggie Robertson was leading the NCAA in passing rating until Rodgers replaced him and he no longer had enough attempts.

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This is a patently absurd statement. I don't know why we can't enjoy JKS for what he is, a supremely talented freshman who has a lot of development ahead of him. He has clearly struggled at times. But it is like there is a mythology around him where absolutely everything has to be someone else's fault because he couldn't possibly make a bad play. Kid has a cannon for an arm. Makes some really great decisions and some really clutch plays. He also makes some poor decisions, some bad throws and doesn't always put the ball where it needs to be. As you would expect.

He has not been more consistent and shown better accuracy than Sophomore Aaron Rodgers. He is not sophomore Aaron Rodgers. Maybe he will be as a sophomore.

Aaron Rodgers, as a sophomore was an awesome QB who had one bad game and every time he's mentioned in comparison with anyone, someone (usually whose name starts with "cal" and ends in "umnus") pipes up with "remember that OSU game?" Yeah. It was awful. I remember all the other games too. He did not just break out in the Insight Bowl. He was obviously short time for the college world. When he came in to replace Reggie Robertson against Utah, the ESPN crew absolutely drooled over him.

Game by game QB rating for Rodgers (not including 4 passes in mop up duty against SoMiss before Tedford pulled his head out of his ass)

Game 1: 172.8
Game 2: 161.7
Game 3: 122.7
Game 4: 155.3
Game 5: 33.4 (infamous OSU game)
Game 6: 142.3
Game 7: 105.1
Game 8: 239.5
Game 9: 118.9
Game 10: 179.2
Game 11: 173.1
Game 12: 190.6

Game by game QB Rating for JKS

Game 1: 165.2
Game 2: 124.8
Game 3: 150.9
Game 4: 80.2
Game 5: 141.0
Game 6: 122.2
Game 7: 107.3
Game 8: 131.6
Game 9: 109.6

Put all that in order highest to lowest:

1. Rodgers - 239.5
2. Rodgers - 190.6
3. Rodgers 179.2
4 . Rodgers 173.1
5. Rodgers - 172.8
6. JKS - 165.2
7. Rodgers - 161.7
8. Rodgers - 155.3
9 JKS - 150.9
10 Rodgers - 142.3
11. JKS - 141.0
12 JKS - 131.6
13 JKS 124.8
14 Rodgers 122.7
15 JKS 122.2
16. Rodgers - 118.9
17. JKS - 109.6
18. JKS - 107.3
19. Rodgers - 105.1
20. JKS - 80.2
21. Rodgers - 33.4

Cal scored over 50 points in 3 of the last 5 games and scored over 40 points in the 6th to last game.
In 4 out of the last 5 games Rodgers rating was over 170 and in the fifth to last game it was an insane 239.5. The only way to claim he was inconsistent is to say some days he wasn't as flipping amazing as that

Rodgers had 5 games better than JKS' best game (and that game was against OSU)
7 of the top 8 are Rodgers. 8 of the top 10 are Rodgers.

Rodgers had more talent around him, but every Rodgers game was against a power conference opponent except for Utah who finished the season ranked 21 in the country. This year may be the easiest schedule Cal has ever had.

Rodgers total rating 146.6
JKS total rating through 8 was 126.8 and that is going to drop a couple points after today.

Rodgers 19 TDs, 5 Interceptions
JKS 11 TDs, 9 Interceptions

Rodgers yards per attempt 8.3
JKS yards per attempt: 6.9

Plus, Rodgers gained 210 yards rushing

This is not a remotely close question. Which is not to say anything bad about JKS (what is the opposite of damning with faint praise? Beatifying with faint criticism?) JKS is great. Rodgers was amazing.

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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calumnus said:

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touchdownbears43 said:

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JKS hasn't developed into a QB with that "it" factor we all saw/felt with AR and JG. Just saying….

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Sagapolutele has been more consistent and shown better accuracy as a true freshman than Rodgers did as a transfer Sophomore in 2003, at least until his breakout game against VT in the Insight Bowl. Go back and look at Rodgers against Oregon State in 2003. And Rodgers was surrounded with great talent, a great OL, great running game and good WRs and TEs. On that same team Reggie Robertson was leading the NCAA in passing rating until Rodgers replaced him and he no longer had enough attempts.

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This is a patently absurd statement. I don't know why we can't enjoy JKS for what he is, a supremely talented freshman who has a lot of development ahead of him. He has clearly struggled at times. But it is like there is a mythology around him where absolutely everything has to be someone else's fault because he couldn't possibly make a bad play. Kid has a cannon for an arm. Makes some really great decisions and some really clutch plays. He also makes some poor decisions, some bad throws and doesn't always put the ball where it needs to be. As you would expect.

He has not been more consistent and shown better accuracy than Sophomore Aaron Rodgers. He is not sophomore Aaron Rodgers. Maybe he will be as a sophomore.

Aaron Rodgers, as a sophomore was an awesome QB who had one bad game and every time he's mentioned in comparison with anyone, someone (usually whose name starts with "cal" and ends in "umnus") pipes up with "remember that OSU game?" Yeah. It was awful. I remember all the other games too. He did not just break out in the Insight Bowl. He was obviously short time for the college world. When he came in to replace Reggie Robertson against Utah, the ESPN crew absolutely drooled over him.

Game by game QB rating for Rodgers (not including 4 passes in mop up duty against SoMiss before Tedford pulled his head out of his ass)

Game 1: 172.8
Game 2: 161.7
Game 3: 122.7
Game 4: 155.3
Game 5: 33.4 (infamous OSU game)
Game 6: 142.3
Game 7: 105.1
Game 8: 239.5
Game 9: 118.9
Game 10: 179.2
Game 11: 173.1
Game 12: 190.6

Game by game QB Rating for JKS

Game 1: 165.2
Game 2: 124.8
Game 3: 150.9
Game 4: 80.2
Game 5: 141.0
Game 6: 122.2
Game 7: 107.3
Game 8: 131.6
Game 9: 109.6

Put all that in order highest to lowest:

1. Rodgers - 239.5
2. Rodgers - 190.6
3. Rodgers 179.2
4 . Rodgers 173.1
5. Rodgers - 172.8
6. JKS - 165.2
7. Rodgers - 161.7
8. Rodgers - 155.3
9 JKS - 150.9
10 Rodgers - 142.3
11. JKS - 141.0
12 JKS - 131.6
13 JKS 124.8
14 Rodgers 122.7
15 JKS 122.2
16. Rodgers - 118.9
17. JKS - 109.6
18. JKS - 107.3
19. Rodgers - 105.1
20. JKS - 80.2
21. Rodgers - 33.4

Cal scored over 50 points in 3 of the last 5 games and scored over 40 points in the 6th to last game.
In 4 out of the last 5 games Rodgers rating was over 170 and in the fifth to last game it was an insane 239.5. The only way to claim he was inconsistent is to say some days he wasn't as flipping amazing as that

Rodgers had 5 games better than JKS' best game (and that game was against OSU)
7 of the top 8 are Rodgers. 8 of the top 10 are Rodgers.

Rodgers had more talent around him, but every Rodgers game was against a power conference opponent except for Utah who finished the season ranked 21 in the country. This year may be the easiest schedule Cal has ever had.

Rodgers total rating 146.6
JKS total rating through 8 was 126.8 and that is going to drop a couple points after today.

Rodgers 19 TDs, 5 Interceptions
JKS 11 TDs, 9 Interceptions

Rodgers yards per attempt 8.3
JKS yards per attempt: 6.9

Plus, Rodgers gained 210 yards rushing

This is not a remotely close question. Which is not to say anything bad about JKS (what is the opposite of damning with faint praise? Beatifying with faint criticism?) JKS is great. Rodgers was amazing.

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Not saying Rodgers' talent wasn't obvious but he was up and down in 2003 until the Insight Bowl. Then amazing in 2004 which may be clouding your judgement.

Passing rating is also a function of the players around you and the OC. The 2003 team had a great OL great skill players and had Tedford/Cortez. Sagapolutele has none of that. He has had what must be a Cal record in drops. Look at Boller pre-Tedford, look at Robertson pre-Tedford.

Here are our QBs' Passing Ratings in 2003;
Rodgers 146
Robertson 154
Schwartz 152

And that includes Rodger's great Insight Bowl breakout. Would you accept that Sagapolutele's passing is better than Robertson's and Schwartz'? How would Sagapolutele do on that 2003 team? At least as good as Robertson and Schwartz is my assertion.

And to be clear, I am not predicting he will be better than Rodgers was in 2004 and in the NFL.

But I'll agree all that is subjective, unprovable by stats, my point is more to say the rest of our offense is terrible and the criticism of him, which I was responding to, is unfounded. Maybe it would be less triggering if I said I think he is better than Mendoza was in 2023? I think better than Mendoza was in 2024? But Mendoza had better receivers and a better running game?

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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calumnus said:

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touchdownbears43 said:

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JKS hasn't developed into a QB with that "it" factor we all saw/felt with AR and JG. Just saying….

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Sagapolutele has been more consistent and shown better accuracy as a true freshman than Rodgers did as a transfer Sophomore in 2003, at least until his breakout game against VT in the Insight Bowl. Go back and look at Rodgers against Oregon State in 2003. And Rodgers was surrounded with great talent, a great OL, great running game and good WRs and TEs. On that same team Reggie Robertson was leading the NCAA in passing rating until Rodgers replaced him and he no longer had enough attempts.

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This is a patently absurd statement. I don't know why we can't enjoy JKS for what he is, a supremely talented freshman who has a lot of development ahead of him. He has clearly struggled at times. But it is like there is a mythology around him where absolutely everything has to be someone else's fault because he couldn't possibly make a bad play. Kid has a cannon for an arm. Makes some really great decisions and some really clutch plays. He also makes some poor decisions, some bad throws and doesn't always put the ball where it needs to be. As you would expect.

He has not been more consistent and shown better accuracy than Sophomore Aaron Rodgers. He is not sophomore Aaron Rodgers. Maybe he will be as a sophomore.

Aaron Rodgers, as a sophomore was an awesome QB who had one bad game and every time he's mentioned in comparison with anyone, someone (usually whose name starts with "cal" and ends in "umnus") pipes up with "remember that OSU game?" Yeah. It was awful. I remember all the other games too. He did not just break out in the Insight Bowl. He was obviously short time for the college world. When he came in to replace Reggie Robertson against Utah, the ESPN crew absolutely drooled over him.

Game by game QB rating for Rodgers (not including 4 passes in mop up duty against SoMiss before Tedford pulled his head out of his ass)

Game 1: 172.8
Game 2: 161.7
Game 3: 122.7
Game 4: 155.3
Game 5: 33.4 (infamous OSU game)
Game 6: 142.3
Game 7: 105.1
Game 8: 239.5
Game 9: 118.9
Game 10: 179.2
Game 11: 173.1
Game 12: 190.6

Game by game QB Rating for JKS

Game 1: 165.2
Game 2: 124.8
Game 3: 150.9
Game 4: 80.2
Game 5: 141.0
Game 6: 122.2
Game 7: 107.3
Game 8: 131.6
Game 9: 109.6

Put all that in order highest to lowest:

1. Rodgers - 239.5
2. Rodgers - 190.6
3. Rodgers 179.2
4 . Rodgers 173.1
5. Rodgers - 172.8
6. JKS - 165.2
7. Rodgers - 161.7
8. Rodgers - 155.3
9 JKS - 150.9
10 Rodgers - 142.3
11. JKS - 141.0
12 JKS - 131.6
13 JKS 124.8
14 Rodgers 122.7
15 JKS 122.2
16. Rodgers - 118.9
17. JKS - 109.6
18. JKS - 107.3
19. Rodgers - 105.1
20. JKS - 80.2
21. Rodgers - 33.4

Cal scored over 50 points in 3 of the last 5 games and scored over 40 points in the 6th to last game.
In 4 out of the last 5 games Rodgers rating was over 170 and in the fifth to last game it was an insane 239.5. The only way to claim he was inconsistent is to say some days he wasn't as flipping amazing as that

Rodgers had 5 games better than JKS' best game (and that game was against OSU)
7 of the top 8 are Rodgers. 8 of the top 10 are Rodgers.

Rodgers had more talent around him, but every Rodgers game was against a power conference opponent except for Utah who finished the season ranked 21 in the country. This year may be the easiest schedule Cal has ever had.

Rodgers total rating 146.6
JKS total rating through 8 was 126.8 and that is going to drop a couple points after today.

Rodgers 19 TDs, 5 Interceptions
JKS 11 TDs, 9 Interceptions

Rodgers yards per attempt 8.3
JKS yards per attempt: 6.9

Plus, Rodgers gained 210 yards rushing

This is not a remotely close question. Which is not to say anything bad about JKS (what is the opposite of damning with faint praise? Beatifying with faint criticism?) JKS is great. Rodgers was amazing.

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Not saying Rodgers' talent wasn't obvious but he was up and down in 2003 until the Insight Bowl. Then amazing in 2004 which may be clouding your judgement.

Passing rating is also a function of the players around you and the OC. The 2003 team had a great OL great skill players and had Tedford/Cortez. Sagapolutele has none of that. He has had what must be a Cal record in drops. Look at Boller pre-Tedford, look at Robertson pre-Tedford.

Here are our QBs' Passing Ratings in 2003;
Rodgers 146
Robertson 154
Schwartz 152

And that includes Rodger's great Insight Bowl breakout. Would you accept that Sagapolutele's passing is better than Robertson's and Schwartz'? How would Sagapolutele do on that 2003 team? At least as good as Robertson and Schwartz is my assertion.

And to be clear, I am not predicting he will be better than Rodgers was in 2004 and in the NFL.

But I'll agree all that is subjective, unprovable by stats, my point is more to say the rest of our offense is terrible and the criticism of him, which I was responding to, is unfounded. Maybe it would be less triggering if I said I think he is better than Mendoza was in 2023? I think better than Mendoza was in 2024? But Mendoza had better receivers and a better running game?

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The extremely tame critique is not unfounded. He has flaws that he needs to work on. He's the best weapon we have. No one is blaming him for our losses.

Aaron Rodgers was not up and down until the Insight Bowl. Geez man. Look at the game logs. You have remembered wrong because you have always let the OSU game dominate your memory. He came roaring back after the OSU game l. Cal won five of its last six games with dominant offense lead by Rodgers. Look at the stats from the last 5 games. 4 absolutely dominating QB performances all over 300 yards. (307, 348, 359, 394). After the OSU game he had five 300 yard games out of 7. He was not up and down. Tedford didn't start him until game 5, In game 6 he had an electric first half before getting hurt. In game 7 his third start he was terrible. (And quite frankly, though he refused to use it as an excuse, it was pretty clear he was still hurting). And then 7 games where he threw for 300 yards 5 times. I don't know what to tell you. It didn't happen how you remember. He had some growing pains and then took off mid season he was already a dominant QB going into the bowl game and we knew what we had going in. Cal fans were saying for weeks that he was already better than Boller who had just been taken in the first round.


Reggie Robertson was a solid, smart QB that got to pad his stats against SoMiss and CSU. Schwartz had a rating of 142. He was 1 for 1 for 5 yards. C'mon man.

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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calumnus said:

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touchdownbears43 said:

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JKS hasn't developed into a QB with that "it" factor we all saw/felt with AR and JG. Just saying….

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Sagapolutele has been more consistent and shown better accuracy as a true freshman than Rodgers did as a transfer Sophomore in 2003, at least until his breakout game against VT in the Insight Bowl. Go back and look at Rodgers against Oregon State in 2003. And Rodgers was surrounded with great talent, a great OL, great running game and good WRs and TEs. On that same team Reggie Robertson was leading the NCAA in passing rating until Rodgers replaced him and he no longer had enough attempts.

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This is a patently absurd statement. I don't know why we can't enjoy JKS for what he is, a supremely talented freshman who has a lot of development ahead of him. He has clearly struggled at times. But it is like there is a mythology around him where absolutely everything has to be someone else's fault because he couldn't possibly make a bad play. Kid has a cannon for an arm. Makes some really great decisions and some really clutch plays. He also makes some poor decisions, some bad throws and doesn't always put the ball where it needs to be. As you would expect.

He has not been more consistent and shown better accuracy than Sophomore Aaron Rodgers. He is not sophomore Aaron Rodgers. Maybe he will be as a sophomore.

Aaron Rodgers, as a sophomore was an awesome QB who had one bad game and every time he's mentioned in comparison with anyone, someone (usually whose name starts with "cal" and ends in "umnus") pipes up with "remember that OSU game?" Yeah. It was awful. I remember all the other games too. He did not just break out in the Insight Bowl. He was obviously short time for the college world. When he came in to replace Reggie Robertson against Utah, the ESPN crew absolutely drooled over him.

Game by game QB rating for Rodgers (not including 4 passes in mop up duty against SoMiss before Tedford pulled his head out of his ass)

Game 1: 172.8
Game 2: 161.7
Game 3: 122.7
Game 4: 155.3
Game 5: 33.4 (infamous OSU game)
Game 6: 142.3
Game 7: 105.1
Game 8: 239.5
Game 9: 118.9
Game 10: 179.2
Game 11: 173.1
Game 12: 190.6

Game by game QB Rating for JKS

Game 1: 165.2
Game 2: 124.8
Game 3: 150.9
Game 4: 80.2
Game 5: 141.0
Game 6: 122.2
Game 7: 107.3
Game 8: 131.6
Game 9: 109.6

Put all that in order highest to lowest:

1. Rodgers - 239.5
2. Rodgers - 190.6
3. Rodgers 179.2
4 . Rodgers 173.1
5. Rodgers - 172.8
6. JKS - 165.2
7. Rodgers - 161.7
8. Rodgers - 155.3
9 JKS - 150.9
10 Rodgers - 142.3
11. JKS - 141.0
12 JKS - 131.6
13 JKS 124.8
14 Rodgers 122.7
15 JKS 122.2
16. Rodgers - 118.9
17. JKS - 109.6
18. JKS - 107.3
19. Rodgers - 105.1
20. JKS - 80.2
21. Rodgers - 33.4

Cal scored over 50 points in 3 of the last 5 games and scored over 40 points in the 6th to last game.
In 4 out of the last 5 games Rodgers rating was over 170 and in the fifth to last game it was an insane 239.5. The only way to claim he was inconsistent is to say some days he wasn't as flipping amazing as that

Rodgers had 5 games better than JKS' best game (and that game was against OSU)
7 of the top 8 are Rodgers. 8 of the top 10 are Rodgers.

Rodgers had more talent around him, but every Rodgers game was against a power conference opponent except for Utah who finished the season ranked 21 in the country. This year may be the easiest schedule Cal has ever had.

Rodgers total rating 146.6
JKS total rating through 8 was 126.8 and that is going to drop a couple points after today.

Rodgers 19 TDs, 5 Interceptions
JKS 11 TDs, 9 Interceptions

Rodgers yards per attempt 8.3
JKS yards per attempt: 6.9

Plus, Rodgers gained 210 yards rushing

This is not a remotely close question. Which is not to say anything bad about JKS (what is the opposite of damning with faint praise? Beatifying with faint criticism?) JKS is great. Rodgers was amazing.

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Not saying Rodgers' talent wasn't obvious but he was up and down in 2003 until the Insight Bowl. Then amazing in 2004 which may be clouding your judgement.

Passing rating is also a function of the players around you and the OC. The 2003 team had a great OL great skill players and had Tedford/Cortez. Sagapolutele has none of that. He has had what must be a Cal record in drops. Look at Boller pre-Tedford, look at Robertson pre-Tedford.

Here are our QBs' Passing Ratings in 2003;
Rodgers 146
Robertson 154
Schwartz 152

And that includes Rodger's great Insight Bowl breakout. Would you accept that Sagapolutele's passing is better than Robertson's and Schwartz'? How would Sagapolutele do on that 2003 team? At least as good as Robertson and Schwartz is my assertion.

And to be clear, I am not predicting he will be better than Rodgers was in 2004 and in the NFL.

But I'll agree all that is subjective, unprovable by stats, my point is more to say the rest of our offense is terrible and the criticism of him, which I was responding to, is unfounded. Maybe it would be less triggering if I said I think he is better than Mendoza was in 2023? I think better than Mendoza was in 2024? But Mendoza had better receivers and a better running game?

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The extremely tame critique is not unfounded. He has flaws that he needs to work on. He's the best weapon we have. No one is blaming him for our losses.

Aaron Rodgers was not up and down until the Insight Bowl. Geez man. Look at the game logs. You have remembered wrong because you have always let the OSU game dominate your memory. He came roaring back after the OSU game l. Cal won five of its last six games with dominant offense lead by Rodgers. Look at the stats from the last 5 games. 4 absolutely dominating QB performances all over 300 yards. (307, 348, 359, 394). After the OSU game he had five 300 yard games out of 7. He was not up and down. Tedford didn't start him until game 5, In game 6 he had an electric first half before getting hurt. In game 7 his third start he was terrible. (And quite frankly, though he refused to use it as an excuse, it was pretty clear he was still hurting). And then 7 games where he threw for 300 yards 5 times. I don't know what to tell you. It didn't happen how you remember. He had some growing pains and then took off mid season he was already a dominant QB going into the bowl game and we knew what we had going in. Cal fans were saying for weeks that he was already better than Boller who had just been taken in the first round.


Reggie Robertson was a solid, smart QB that got to pad his stats against SoMiss and CSU. Schwartz had a rating of 142. He was 1 for 1 for 5 yards. C'mon man.

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Fred Bear said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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calumnus said:

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touchdownbears43 said:

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JKS hasn't developed into a QB with that "it" factor we all saw/felt with AR and JG. Just saying….

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Sagapolutele has been more consistent and shown better accuracy as a true freshman than Rodgers did as a transfer Sophomore in 2003, at least until his breakout game against VT in the Insight Bowl. Go back and look at Rodgers against Oregon State in 2003. And Rodgers was surrounded with great talent, a great OL, great running game and good WRs and TEs. On that same team Reggie Robertson was leading the NCAA in passing rating until Rodgers replaced him and he no longer had enough attempts.

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This is a patently absurd statement. I don't know why we can't enjoy JKS for what he is, a supremely talented freshman who has a lot of development ahead of him. He has clearly struggled at times. But it is like there is a mythology around him where absolutely everything has to be someone else's fault because he couldn't possibly make a bad play. Kid has a cannon for an arm. Makes some really great decisions and some really clutch plays. He also makes some poor decisions, some bad throws and doesn't always put the ball where it needs to be. As you would expect.

He has not been more consistent and shown better accuracy than Sophomore Aaron Rodgers. He is not sophomore Aaron Rodgers. Maybe he will be as a sophomore.

Aaron Rodgers, as a sophomore was an awesome QB who had one bad game and every time he's mentioned in comparison with anyone, someone (usually whose name starts with "cal" and ends in "umnus") pipes up with "remember that OSU game?" Yeah. It was awful. I remember all the other games too. He did not just break out in the Insight Bowl. He was obviously short time for the college world. When he came in to replace Reggie Robertson against Utah, the ESPN crew absolutely drooled over him.

Game by game QB rating for Rodgers (not including 4 passes in mop up duty against SoMiss before Tedford pulled his head out of his ass)

Game 1: 172.8
Game 2: 161.7
Game 3: 122.7
Game 4: 155.3
Game 5: 33.4 (infamous OSU game)
Game 6: 142.3
Game 7: 105.1
Game 8: 239.5
Game 9: 118.9
Game 10: 179.2
Game 11: 173.1
Game 12: 190.6

Game by game QB Rating for JKS

Game 1: 165.2
Game 2: 124.8
Game 3: 150.9
Game 4: 80.2
Game 5: 141.0
Game 6: 122.2
Game 7: 107.3
Game 8: 131.6
Game 9: 109.6

Put all that in order highest to lowest:

1. Rodgers - 239.5
2. Rodgers - 190.6
3. Rodgers 179.2
4 . Rodgers 173.1
5. Rodgers - 172.8
6. JKS - 165.2
7. Rodgers - 161.7
8. Rodgers - 155.3
9 JKS - 150.9
10 Rodgers - 142.3
11. JKS - 141.0
12 JKS - 131.6
13 JKS 124.8
14 Rodgers 122.7
15 JKS 122.2
16. Rodgers - 118.9
17. JKS - 109.6
18. JKS - 107.3
19. Rodgers - 105.1
20. JKS - 80.2
21. Rodgers - 33.4

Cal scored over 50 points in 3 of the last 5 games and scored over 40 points in the 6th to last game.
In 4 out of the last 5 games Rodgers rating was over 170 and in the fifth to last game it was an insane 239.5. The only way to claim he was inconsistent is to say some days he wasn't as flipping amazing as that

Rodgers had 5 games better than JKS' best game (and that game was against OSU)
7 of the top 8 are Rodgers. 8 of the top 10 are Rodgers.

Rodgers had more talent around him, but every Rodgers game was against a power conference opponent except for Utah who finished the season ranked 21 in the country. This year may be the easiest schedule Cal has ever had.

Rodgers total rating 146.6
JKS total rating through 8 was 126.8 and that is going to drop a couple points after today.

Rodgers 19 TDs, 5 Interceptions
JKS 11 TDs, 9 Interceptions

Rodgers yards per attempt 8.3
JKS yards per attempt: 6.9

Plus, Rodgers gained 210 yards rushing

This is not a remotely close question. Which is not to say anything bad about JKS (what is the opposite of damning with faint praise? Beatifying with faint criticism?) JKS is great. Rodgers was amazing.

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Not saying Rodgers' talent wasn't obvious but he was up and down in 2003 until the Insight Bowl. Then amazing in 2004 which may be clouding your judgement.

Passing rating is also a function of the players around you and the OC. The 2003 team had a great OL great skill players and had Tedford/Cortez. Sagapolutele has none of that. He has had what must be a Cal record in drops. Look at Boller pre-Tedford, look at Robertson pre-Tedford.

Here are our QBs' Passing Ratings in 2003;
Rodgers 146
Robertson 154
Schwartz 152

And that includes Rodger's great Insight Bowl breakout. Would you accept that Sagapolutele's passing is better than Robertson's and Schwartz'? How would Sagapolutele do on that 2003 team? At least as good as Robertson and Schwartz is my assertion.

And to be clear, I am not predicting he will be better than Rodgers was in 2004 and in the NFL.

But I'll agree all that is subjective, unprovable by stats, my point is more to say the rest of our offense is terrible and the criticism of him, which I was responding to, is unfounded. Maybe it would be less triggering if I said I think he is better than Mendoza was in 2023? I think better than Mendoza was in 2024? But Mendoza had better receivers and a better running game?

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The extremely tame critique is not unfounded. He has flaws that he needs to work on. He's the best weapon we have. No one is blaming him for our losses.

Aaron Rodgers was not up and down until the Insight Bowl. Geez man. Look at the game logs. You have remembered wrong because you have always let the OSU game dominate your memory. He came roaring back after the OSU game l. Cal won five of its last six games with dominant offense lead by Rodgers. Look at the stats from the last 5 games. 4 absolutely dominating QB performances all over 300 yards. (307, 348, 359, 394). After the OSU game he had five 300 yard games out of 7. He was not up and down. Tedford didn't start him until game 5, In game 6 he had an electric first half before getting hurt. In game 7 his third start he was terrible. (And quite frankly, though he refused to use it as an excuse, it was pretty clear he was still hurting). And then 7 games where he threw for 300 yards 5 times. I don't know what to tell you. It didn't happen how you remember. He had some growing pains and then took off mid season he was already a dominant QB going into the bowl game and we knew what we had going in. Cal fans were saying for weeks that he was already better than Boller who had just been taken in the first round.


Reggie Robertson was a solid, smart QB that got to pad his stats against SoMiss and CSU. Schwartz had a rating of 142. He was 1 for 1 for 5 yards. C'mon man.

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Rodgers had a lot more help from the 2003 team than Sagapoutele has now. Better personnel across the board and that team was hardly great that year (although they were a year from greatness).

Regarding that OSU game, even the greatest QB's crumble when they have no pass protection and OSU was in Aaron's tidy whities all day that day. Plus Stephen Jackson ran right over our defense.

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JKS hasn't developed into a QB with that "it" factor we all saw/felt with AR and JG. Just saying….

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Sagapolutele has been more consistent and shown better accuracy as a true freshman than Rodgers did as a transfer Sophomore in 2003, at least until his breakout game against VT in the Insight Bowl. Go back and look at Rodgers against Oregon State in 2003. And Rodgers was surrounded with great talent, a great OL, great running game and good WRs and TEs. On that same team Reggie Robertson was leading the NCAA in passing rating until Rodgers replaced him and he no longer had enough attempts.

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This is a patently absurd statement. I don't know why we can't enjoy JKS for what he is, a supremely talented freshman who has a lot of development ahead of him. He has clearly struggled at times. But it is like there is a mythology around him where absolutely everything has to be someone else's fault because he couldn't possibly make a bad play. Kid has a cannon for an arm. Makes some really great decisions and some really clutch plays. He also makes some poor decisions, some bad throws and doesn't always put the ball where it needs to be. As you would expect.

He has not been more consistent and shown better accuracy than Sophomore Aaron Rodgers. He is not sophomore Aaron Rodgers. Maybe he will be as a sophomore.

Aaron Rodgers, as a sophomore was an awesome QB who had one bad game and every time he's mentioned in comparison with anyone, someone (usually whose name starts with "cal" and ends in "umnus") pipes up with "remember that OSU game?" Yeah. It was awful. I remember all the other games too. He did not just break out in the Insight Bowl. He was obviously short time for the college world. When he came in to replace Reggie Robertson against Utah, the ESPN crew absolutely drooled over him.

Game by game QB rating for Rodgers (not including 4 passes in mop up duty against SoMiss before Tedford pulled his head out of his ass)

Game 1: 172.8
Game 2: 161.7
Game 3: 122.7
Game 4: 155.3
Game 5: 33.4 (infamous OSU game)
Game 6: 142.3
Game 7: 105.1
Game 8: 239.5
Game 9: 118.9
Game 10: 179.2
Game 11: 173.1
Game 12: 190.6

Game by game QB Rating for JKS

Game 1: 165.2
Game 2: 124.8
Game 3: 150.9
Game 4: 80.2
Game 5: 141.0
Game 6: 122.2
Game 7: 107.3
Game 8: 131.6
Game 9: 109.6

Put all that in order highest to lowest:

1. Rodgers - 239.5
2. Rodgers - 190.6
3. Rodgers 179.2
4 . Rodgers 173.1
5. Rodgers - 172.8
6. JKS - 165.2
7. Rodgers - 161.7
8. Rodgers - 155.3
9 JKS - 150.9
10 Rodgers - 142.3
11. JKS - 141.0
12 JKS - 131.6
13 JKS 124.8
14 Rodgers 122.7
15 JKS 122.2
16. Rodgers - 118.9
17. JKS - 109.6
18. JKS - 107.3
19. Rodgers - 105.1
20. JKS - 80.2
21. Rodgers - 33.4

Cal scored over 50 points in 3 of the last 5 games and scored over 40 points in the 6th to last game.
In 4 out of the last 5 games Rodgers rating was over 170 and in the fifth to last game it was an insane 239.5. The only way to claim he was inconsistent is to say some days he wasn't as flipping amazing as that

Rodgers had 5 games better than JKS' best game (and that game was against OSU)
7 of the top 8 are Rodgers. 8 of the top 10 are Rodgers.

Rodgers had more talent around him, but every Rodgers game was against a power conference opponent except for Utah who finished the season ranked 21 in the country. This year may be the easiest schedule Cal has ever had.

Rodgers total rating 146.6
JKS total rating through 8 was 126.8 and that is going to drop a couple points after today.

Rodgers 19 TDs, 5 Interceptions
JKS 11 TDs, 9 Interceptions

Rodgers yards per attempt 8.3
JKS yards per attempt: 6.9

Plus, Rodgers gained 210 yards rushing

This is not a remotely close question. Which is not to say anything bad about JKS (what is the opposite of damning with faint praise? Beatifying with faint criticism?) JKS is great. Rodgers was amazing.

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Not saying Rodgers' talent wasn't obvious but he was up and down in 2003 until the Insight Bowl. Then amazing in 2004 which may be clouding your judgement.

Passing rating is also a function of the players around you and the OC. The 2003 team had a great OL great skill players and had Tedford/Cortez. Sagapolutele has none of that. He has had what must be a Cal record in drops. Look at Boller pre-Tedford, look at Robertson pre-Tedford.

Here are our QBs' Passing Ratings in 2003;
Rodgers 146
Robertson 154
Schwartz 152

And that includes Rodger's great Insight Bowl breakout. Would you accept that Sagapolutele's passing is better than Robertson's and Schwartz'? How would Sagapolutele do on that 2003 team? At least as good as Robertson and Schwartz is my assertion.

And to be clear, I am not predicting he will be better than Rodgers was in 2004 and in the NFL.

But I'll agree all that is subjective, unprovable by stats, my point is more to say the rest of our offense is terrible and the criticism of him, which I was responding to, is unfounded. Maybe it would be less triggering if I said I think he is better than Mendoza was in 2023? I think better than Mendoza was in 2024? But Mendoza had better receivers and a better running game?

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The extremely tame critique is not unfounded. He has flaws that he needs to work on. He's the best weapon we have. No one is blaming him for our losses.

Aaron Rodgers was not up and down until the Insight Bowl. Geez man. Look at the game logs. You have remembered wrong because you have always let the OSU game dominate your memory. He came roaring back after the OSU game l. Cal won five of its last six games with dominant offense lead by Rodgers. Look at the stats from the last 5 games. 4 absolutely dominating QB performances all over 300 yards. (307, 348, 359, 394). After the OSU game he had five 300 yard games out of 7. He was not up and down. Tedford didn't start him until game 5, In game 6 he had an electric first half before getting hurt. In game 7 his third start he was terrible. (And quite frankly, though he refused to use it as an excuse, it was pretty clear he was still hurting). And then 7 games where he threw for 300 yards 5 times. I don't know what to tell you. It didn't happen how you remember. He had some growing pains and then took off mid season he was already a dominant QB going into the bowl game and we knew what we had going in. Cal fans were saying for weeks that he was already better than Boller who had just been taken in the first round.


Reggie Robertson was a solid, smart QB that got to pad his stats against SoMiss and CSU. Schwartz had a rating of 142. He was 1 for 1 for 5 yards. C'mon man.

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Rodgers had a lot more help from the 2003 team than Sagapoutele has now. Better personnel across the board and that team was hardly great that year (although they were a year from greatness).

Regarding that OSU game, even the greatest QB's crumble when they have no pass protection and OSU was in Aaron's tidy whities all day that day. Plus Stephen Jackson ran right over our defense.

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IMO the biggest difference is that Tedford had a system that maximized his QB's abilities and made the game easier for them. We have never had that under Wilcox.

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JKS hasn't developed into a QB with that "it" factor we all saw/felt with AR and JG. Just saying….

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Sagapolutele has been more consistent and shown better accuracy as a true freshman than Rodgers did as a transfer Sophomore in 2003, at least until his breakout game against VT in the Insight Bowl. Go back and look at Rodgers against Oregon State in 2003. And Rodgers was surrounded with great talent, a great OL, great running game and good WRs and TEs. On that same team Reggie Robertson was leading the NCAA in passing rating until Rodgers replaced him and he no longer had enough attempts.

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This is a patently absurd statement. I don't know why we can't enjoy JKS for what he is, a supremely talented freshman who has a lot of development ahead of him. He has clearly struggled at times. But it is like there is a mythology around him where absolutely everything has to be someone else's fault because he couldn't possibly make a bad play. Kid has a cannon for an arm. Makes some really great decisions and some really clutch plays. He also makes some poor decisions, some bad throws and doesn't always put the ball where it needs to be. As you would expect.

He has not been more consistent and shown better accuracy than Sophomore Aaron Rodgers. He is not sophomore Aaron Rodgers. Maybe he will be as a sophomore.

Aaron Rodgers, as a sophomore was an awesome QB who had one bad game and every time he's mentioned in comparison with anyone, someone (usually whose name starts with "cal" and ends in "umnus") pipes up with "remember that OSU game?" Yeah. It was awful. I remember all the other games too. He did not just break out in the Insight Bowl. He was obviously short time for the college world. When he came in to replace Reggie Robertson against Utah, the ESPN crew absolutely drooled over him.

Game by game QB rating for Rodgers (not including 4 passes in mop up duty against SoMiss before Tedford pulled his head out of his ass)

Game 1: 172.8
Game 2: 161.7
Game 3: 122.7
Game 4: 155.3
Game 5: 33.4 (infamous OSU game)
Game 6: 142.3
Game 7: 105.1
Game 8: 239.5
Game 9: 118.9
Game 10: 179.2
Game 11: 173.1
Game 12: 190.6

Game by game QB Rating for JKS

Game 1: 165.2
Game 2: 124.8
Game 3: 150.9
Game 4: 80.2
Game 5: 141.0
Game 6: 122.2
Game 7: 107.3
Game 8: 131.6
Game 9: 109.6

Put all that in order highest to lowest:

1. Rodgers - 239.5
2. Rodgers - 190.6
3. Rodgers 179.2
4 . Rodgers 173.1
5. Rodgers - 172.8
6. JKS - 165.2
7. Rodgers - 161.7
8. Rodgers - 155.3
9 JKS - 150.9
10 Rodgers - 142.3
11. JKS - 141.0
12 JKS - 131.6
13 JKS 124.8
14 Rodgers 122.7
15 JKS 122.2
16. Rodgers - 118.9
17. JKS - 109.6
18. JKS - 107.3
19. Rodgers - 105.1
20. JKS - 80.2
21. Rodgers - 33.4

Cal scored over 50 points in 3 of the last 5 games and scored over 40 points in the 6th to last game.
In 4 out of the last 5 games Rodgers rating was over 170 and in the fifth to last game it was an insane 239.5. The only way to claim he was inconsistent is to say some days he wasn't as flipping amazing as that

Rodgers had 5 games better than JKS' best game (and that game was against OSU)
7 of the top 8 are Rodgers. 8 of the top 10 are Rodgers.

Rodgers had more talent around him, but every Rodgers game was against a power conference opponent except for Utah who finished the season ranked 21 in the country. This year may be the easiest schedule Cal has ever had.

Rodgers total rating 146.6
JKS total rating through 8 was 126.8 and that is going to drop a couple points after today.

Rodgers 19 TDs, 5 Interceptions
JKS 11 TDs, 9 Interceptions

Rodgers yards per attempt 8.3
JKS yards per attempt: 6.9

Plus, Rodgers gained 210 yards rushing

This is not a remotely close question. Which is not to say anything bad about JKS (what is the opposite of damning with faint praise? Beatifying with faint criticism?) JKS is great. Rodgers was amazing.

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Not saying Rodgers' talent wasn't obvious but he was up and down in 2003 until the Insight Bowl. Then amazing in 2004 which may be clouding your judgement.

Passing rating is also a function of the players around you and the OC. The 2003 team had a great OL great skill players and had Tedford/Cortez. Sagapolutele has none of that. He has had what must be a Cal record in drops. Look at Boller pre-Tedford, look at Robertson pre-Tedford.

Here are our QBs' Passing Ratings in 2003;
Rodgers 146
Robertson 154
Schwartz 152

And that includes Rodger's great Insight Bowl breakout. Would you accept that Sagapolutele's passing is better than Robertson's and Schwartz'? How would Sagapolutele do on that 2003 team? At least as good as Robertson and Schwartz is my assertion.

And to be clear, I am not predicting he will be better than Rodgers was in 2004 and in the NFL.

But I'll agree all that is subjective, unprovable by stats, my point is more to say the rest of our offense is terrible and the criticism of him, which I was responding to, is unfounded. Maybe it would be less triggering if I said I think he is better than Mendoza was in 2023? I think better than Mendoza was in 2024? But Mendoza had better receivers and a better running game?

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The extremely tame critique is not unfounded. He has flaws that he needs to work on. He's the best weapon we have. No one is blaming him for our losses.

Aaron Rodgers was not up and down until the Insight Bowl. Geez man. Look at the game logs. You have remembered wrong because you have always let the OSU game dominate your memory. He came roaring back after the OSU game l. Cal won five of its last six games with dominant offense lead by Rodgers. Look at the stats from the last 5 games. 4 absolutely dominating QB performances all over 300 yards. (307, 348, 359, 394). After the OSU game he had five 300 yard games out of 7. He was not up and down. Tedford didn't start him until game 5, In game 6 he had an electric first half before getting hurt. In game 7 his third start he was terrible. (And quite frankly, though he refused to use it as an excuse, it was pretty clear he was still hurting). And then 7 games where he threw for 300 yards 5 times. I don't know what to tell you. It didn't happen how you remember. He had some growing pains and then took off mid season he was already a dominant QB going into the bowl game and we knew what we had going in. Cal fans were saying for weeks that he was already better than Boller who had just been taken in the first round.


Reggie Robertson was a solid, smart QB that got to pad his stats against SoMiss and CSU. Schwartz had a rating of 142. He was 1 for 1 for 5 yards. C'mon man.

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Rodgers had a lot more help from the 2003 team than Sagapoutele has now. Better personnel across the board and that team was hardly great that year (although they were a year from greatness).

Regarding that OSU game, even the greatest QB's crumble when they have no pass protection and OSU was in Aaron's tidy whities all day that day. Plus Stephen Jackson ran right over our defense.

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IMO the biggest difference is that Tedford had a system that maximized his QB's abilities and made the game easier for them. We have never had that under Wilcox.

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I don't think that's true at all. In fact, I would argue that Tedford's system made the game unnecessarily difficult for them. Look at the performance of the QB's that came after Rodgers. Either Tedford was a very poor judge of quarterback talent (which seems unlikely) or he was doing a bad job of coaching them because we had a lot of years of really bad QB play.

He must have changed something because he got much better QB play at Fresno State than he got from 2007-2012 with Cal.

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