Golden One said:SoFlaBear said:
You've clearly blacked out the Holmoe years, but it's the worst I've seen in at least a decade.
This was as bad as anything in the Holmoe era.
Bearly Clad said:
If there was ever a case for a mid game coaching change this is it. They had two weeks to prep for this game and are this disorganized and unfocused. And all the damn penalties . . .
That's all (lack of) coaching right there
LunchTime said:philly1121 said:ducktilldeath said:philly1121 said:calumnus said:philly1121 said:ducktilldeath said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:
Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.
Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.
I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.
The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol
It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.
It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.
Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?
You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.
Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.
Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.
And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?
"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.
All of you want him gone, yet you cannot name one person who we might offer. The question still stands - who would come here? Name one, quacker.
Tosh.
Also if Wilcox is the best we can do, shut the program down. It's not going to generate enough money to be worth keeping open.
But it's not the best we can do. Anyone with any sense can see that. So what is the point of these "there is nothing better" posts?
Golden One said:LunchTime said:philly1121 said:ducktilldeath said:philly1121 said:calumnus said:philly1121 said:ducktilldeath said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:
Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.
Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.
I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.
The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol
It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.
It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.
Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?
You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.
Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.
Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.
And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?
"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.
All of you want him gone, yet you cannot name one person who we might offer. The question still stands - who would come here? Name one, quacker.
Tosh.
Also if Wilcox is the best we can do, shut the program down. It's not going to generate enough money to be worth keeping open.
But it's not the best we can do. Anyone with any sense can see that. So what is the point of these "there is nothing better" posts?
No more defensive head coaches please. We need a good offensive mind at the HC position.
LarsBear74 said:
HOW IN HELL do you come out this flat and play THIS BADLY against a 3 - 7 team, AFTER A BYE? What the hell were they doing the past 2 weeks? I've been watching since 1968 and THIS performance is right down there near the bottom, the worst. Head-scratcher.
BearlyCareAnymore said:philly1121 said:ducktilldeath said:philly1121 said:calumnus said:philly1121 said:ducktilldeath said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:
Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.
Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.
I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.
The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol
It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.
It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.
Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?
You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.
Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.
Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.
And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?
"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.
All of you want him gone, yet you cannot name one person who we might offer. The question still stands - who would come here? Name one, quacker.
Because fan boards don't hire coaches. We have guys, including one of the highest paid GM's in college football whose job it is to do a search, develop a quality list, and make a good selection.
Cal is no worse off than in most of the tragic history. People said the exact same thing when Holmoe was fired and we selected Tedford out of a very good list of candidates.
Fred Bear said:Nofado said:
We are going to lose JKS due to this game
Don't kid yourself. We were never keeping him. No reason to stay at a school that doesn't take football seriously when you are a QB that has shown you have some talent. Go to a good school that can block for you, has a running game, and receivers that catch.
Golden One said:BearlyCareAnymore said:philly1121 said:ducktilldeath said:philly1121 said:calumnus said:philly1121 said:ducktilldeath said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:
Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.
Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.
I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.
The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol
It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.
It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.
Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?
You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.
Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.
Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.
And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?
"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.
All of you want him gone, yet you cannot name one person who we might offer. The question still stands - who would come here? Name one, quacker.
Because fan boards don't hire coaches. We have guys, including one of the highest paid GM's in college football whose job it is to do a search, develop a quality list, and make a good selection.
Cal is no worse off than in most of the tragic history. People said the exact same thing when Holmoe was fired and we selected Tedford out of a very good list of candidates.
If Rivera doesn't fire Wilcox by Monday, then he should be fired too. No way we shhould accept more Wilcox gamrs like today. SDSU, etc.
BearlyCareAnymore said:philly1121 said:ducktilldeath said:philly1121 said:calumnus said:philly1121 said:ducktilldeath said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:
Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.
Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.
I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.
The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol
It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.
It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.
Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?
You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.
Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.
Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.
And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?
"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.
All of you want him gone, yet you cannot name one person who we might offer. The question still stands - who would come here? Name one, quacker.
Because fan boards don't hire coaches. We have guys, including one of the highest paid GM's in college football whose job it is to do a search, develop a quality list, and make a good selection.
Cal is no worse off than in most of the tragic history. People said the exact same thing when Holmoe was fired and we selected Tedford out of a very good list of candidates.
LunchTime said:philly1121 said:ducktilldeath said:philly1121 said:calumnus said:philly1121 said:ducktilldeath said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:
Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.
Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.
I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.
The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol
It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.
It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.
Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?
You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.
Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.
Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.
And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?
"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.
All of you want him gone, yet you cannot name one person who we might offer. The question still stands - who would come here? Name one, quacker.
Tosh.
Also if Wilcox is the best we can do, shut the program down. It's not going to generate enough money to be worth keeping open.
But it's not the best we can do. Anyone with any sense can see that. So what is the point of these "there is nothing better" posts?
philly1121 said:
There are no shortage of opinions on this board that extend to whether to retain or fire Wilcox. Surely one would have an opinion as to who to replace Wilcox. Or are you just wanting to throw a grenade into the room and close the door? I'll name 3 - SMU, Tulane and UNLV head coaches. Not big names, but interview worthy.
Golden One said:philly1121 said:
There are no shortage of opinions on this board that extend to whether to retain or fire Wilcox. Surely one would have an opinion as to who to replace Wilcox. Or are you just wanting to throw a grenade into the room and close the door? I'll name 3 - SMU, Tulane and UNLV head coaches. Not big names, but interview worthy.
The "retain Wilcox" advocates is a group that is rapidly approaching zero members. After today, I honestly don't understand how anyone could support retaining such an awful head coach.
philly1121 said:Golden One said:philly1121 said:
There are no shortage of opinions on this board that extend to whether to retain or fire Wilcox. Surely one would have an opinion as to who to replace Wilcox. Or are you just wanting to throw a grenade into the room and close the door? I'll name 3 - SMU, Tulane and UNLV head coaches. Not big names, but interview worthy.
The "retain Wilcox" advocates is a group that is rapidly approaching zero members. After today, I honestly don't understand how anyone could support retaining such an awful head coach.
Once again, I'm not suggesting or advocating for Wilcox to be retained. I'm asking who the next person should be? I agree with people - sack him. But let's have some ideas on who.
philly1121 said:Golden One said:philly1121 said:
There are no shortage of opinions on this board that extend to whether to retain or fire Wilcox. Surely one would have an opinion as to who to replace Wilcox. Or are you just wanting to throw a grenade into the room and close the door? I'll name 3 - SMU, Tulane and UNLV head coaches. Not big names, but interview worthy.
The "retain Wilcox" advocates is a group that is rapidly approaching zero members. After today, I honestly don't understand how anyone could support retaining such an awful head coach.
Once again, I'm not suggesting or advocating for Wilcox to be retained. I'm asking who the next person should be? I agree with people - sack him. But let's have some ideas on who.
Strykur said:Golden One said:BearlyCareAnymore said:philly1121 said:ducktilldeath said:philly1121 said:calumnus said:philly1121 said:ducktilldeath said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:
Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.
Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.
I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.
The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol
It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.
It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.
Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?
You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.
Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.
Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.
And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?
"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.
All of you want him gone, yet you cannot name one person who we might offer. The question still stands - who would come here? Name one, quacker.
Because fan boards don't hire coaches. We have guys, including one of the highest paid GM's in college football whose job it is to do a search, develop a quality list, and make a good selection.
Cal is no worse off than in most of the tragic history. People said the exact same thing when Holmoe was fired and we selected Tedford out of a very good list of candidates.
If Rivera doesn't fire Wilcox by Monday, then he should be fired too. No way we shhould accept more Wilcox gamrs like today. SDSU, etc.
I am not going but Senior Day is going to be ugly when there's less than 15K in the stands
Strykur said:concordtom said:Strykur said:SoFlaBear said:Strykur said:TedfordTheGreat said:Strykur said:Nofado said:
There is no time to REBUILD or BUILD in the era of NIL. Unless we go full SMU and overspend it's not happening.
With JKS a build is relatively easy, lose him and we're hosed unless Devin Brown can do some stuff, which I am sure he can but not program-changing like JKS
i would love to have JKS for the new coach to build off of. he is amazing
but if keeping him means keeping wilcox too. then its not worth it. thats what we are saying
Wilcox is gone, that is not the question around here
After this, I don't see how we turn around and compete against SMU, but who knows?
I have no insider knowledge, but I think Rivera knows not much would be gained by firing him tonight or this week.
My guess is that he waits to see how SMU goes.
- If they win, they probably wait until after the Bowl Game.
- If we end at 6-6 without the axe, my guess is they announce he's gone after SMU and have Harsin as interim for the Bowl Game.
I agree that this is it for Wilcox.
Can you like get the **** out of here, we are getting blasted next Saturday
Game time?
If early, weather should be nice.
If late, get drunk in the stadium club and wander out into the streets for a Bezerkeley night!
Well, you said "blasted".
Why wait until then, I have a whole bottle of Jagermeister in my fridge I might finally pop open tonight
01Bear said:philly1121 said:Golden One said:philly1121 said:
There are no shortage of opinions on this board that extend to whether to retain or fire Wilcox. Surely one would have an opinion as to who to replace Wilcox. Or are you just wanting to throw a grenade into the room and close the door? I'll name 3 - SMU, Tulane and UNLV head coaches. Not big names, but interview worthy.
The "retain Wilcox" advocates is a group that is rapidly approaching zero members. After today, I honestly don't understand how anyone could support retaining such an awful head coach.
Once again, I'm not suggesting or advocating for Wilcox to be retained. I'm asking who the next person should be? I agree with people - sack him. But let's have some ideas on who.
What you're asking has also already been covered in other threads. Names like Desean, Tosh, and Jackson Eck were mentioned. Heck, the potential for Cal to hire some of the coaches was even discussed. But at the end of the day, the call will be Ron Rivera's as to whether (1) Wilcox is canned and (2) who replaces him. We can throw around names all we want, but that's not really going to amount to much. Whereas, fan discontent with the coach can lead to the powers that be firing him. For a similar situation, see what happened to Nico Harrison in Dallas after he traded Luka Doncic.
82gradDLSdad said:calumnus said:Strykur said:calumnus said:philly1121 said:ducktilldeath said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:
Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.
Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.
I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.
The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol
It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.
It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.
Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?
You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.
Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.
Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.
Forget Harsin for a second, he was limited but our offense has sucked for 9 years, with the exception of 2023 Spavital Bear Raid, and who hires the OCs?
I was against hiring Wilcox and against extending Wilcox "for COVID." No one suspects me of being pro-Wilcox, but anyone who recommends Harsin after what he did to our offense which is now the worst of Wilcox's bad offenses despite having arguably his best QB is not paying attention.
Yep, even if Harsin was limited to some of the worst talent ever assembled at Cal (his doing to some extent) he has shown nothing. I don't even care about JKS at this point. You have to get someone you think has a chance to build an entire team.
philly1121 said:01Bear said:philly1121 said:Golden One said:philly1121 said:
There are no shortage of opinions on this board that extend to whether to retain or fire Wilcox. Surely one would have an opinion as to who to replace Wilcox. Or are you just wanting to throw a grenade into the room and close the door? I'll name 3 - SMU, Tulane and UNLV head coaches. Not big names, but interview worthy.
The "retain Wilcox" advocates is a group that is rapidly approaching zero members. After today, I honestly don't understand how anyone could support retaining such an awful head coach.
Once again, I'm not suggesting or advocating for Wilcox to be retained. I'm asking who the next person should be? I agree with people - sack him. But let's have some ideas on who.
What you're asking has also already been covered in other threads. Names like Desean, Tosh, and Jackson Eck were mentioned. Heck, the potential for Cal to hire some of the coaches was even discussed. But at the end of the day, the call will be Ron Rivera's as to whether (1) Wilcox is canned and (2) who replaces him. We can throw around names all we want, but that's not really going to amount to much. Whereas, fan discontent with the coach can lead to the powers that be firing him. For a similar situation, see what happened to Nico Harrison in Dallas after he traded Luka Doncic.
Honestly, I can't imagine anyone would want Desean. Its his first coaching gig. Its the FCS. Again, we're doing the same mind think with Desean that we did with Ron Rivera. Tosh - I mean, if we thought he would stick around longer than two years, maybe. But I think a review of head coaches at Tulane, SMU, Missouri and SMU should be considered.
BearlyCareAnymore said:philly1121 said:
nestly, I can't imagine anyone would want Desean. Its his first coaching gig. Its the FCS. Again, we're doing the same mind think with Desean that we did with Ron Rivera. Tosh - I mean, if we thought he would stick around longer than two years, maybe. But I think a review of head coaches at Tulane, SMU, Missouri and SMU should be considered.
SMU's coach is not coming here.
philly1121 said:01Bear said:philly1121 said:Golden One said:philly1121 said:
There are no shortage of opinions on this board that extend to whether to retain or fire Wilcox. Surely one would have an opinion as to who to replace Wilcox. Or are you just wanting to throw a grenade into the room and close the door? I'll name 3 - SMU, Tulane and UNLV head coaches. Not big names, but interview worthy.
The "retain Wilcox" advocates is a group that is rapidly approaching zero members. After today, I honestly don't understand how anyone could support retaining such an awful head coach.
Once again, I'm not suggesting or advocating for Wilcox to be retained. I'm asking who the next person should be? I agree with people - sack him. But let's have some ideas on who.
What you're asking has also already been covered in other threads. Names like Desean, Tosh, and Jackson Eck were mentioned. Heck, the potential for Cal to hire some of the coaches was even discussed. But at the end of the day, the call will be Ron Rivera's as to whether (1) Wilcox is canned and (2) who replaces him. We can throw around names all we want, but that's not really going to amount to much. Whereas, fan discontent with the coach can lead to the powers that be firing him. For a similar situation, see what happened to Nico Harrison in Dallas after he traded Luka Doncic.
Honestly, I can't imagine anyone would want Desean. Its his first coaching gig. Its the FCS. Again, we're doing the same mind think with Desean that we did with Ron Rivera. Tosh - I mean, if we thought he would stick around longer than two years, maybe. But I think a review of head coaches at Tulane, SMU, Missouri and SMU should be considered.
SoFlaBear said:philly1121 said:01Bear said:philly1121 said:Golden One said:philly1121 said:
There are no shortage of opinions on this board that extend to whether to retain or fire Wilcox. Surely one would have an opinion as to who to replace Wilcox. Or are you just wanting to throw a grenade into the room and close the door? I'll name 3 - SMU, Tulane and UNLV head coaches. Not big names, but interview worthy.
The "retain Wilcox" advocates is a group that is rapidly approaching zero members. After today, I honestly don't understand how anyone could support retaining such an awful head coach.
Once again, I'm not suggesting or advocating for Wilcox to be retained. I'm asking who the next person should be? I agree with people - sack him. But let's have some ideas on who.
What you're asking has also already been covered in other threads. Names like Desean, Tosh, and Jackson Eck were mentioned. Heck, the potential for Cal to hire some of the coaches was even discussed. But at the end of the day, the call will be Ron Rivera's as to whether (1) Wilcox is canned and (2) who replaces him. We can throw around names all we want, but that's not really going to amount to much. Whereas, fan discontent with the coach can lead to the powers that be firing him. For a similar situation, see what happened to Nico Harrison in Dallas after he traded Luka Doncic.
Honestly, I can't imagine anyone would want Desean. Its his first coaching gig. Its the FCS. Again, we're doing the same mind think with Desean that we did with Ron Rivera. Tosh - I mean, if we thought he would stick around longer than two years, maybe. But I think a review of head coaches at Tulane, SMU, Missouri and SMU should be considered.
Cal was Jeff Tedford's first HC gig. He'd been a pro (Canada) and college assistant.
A lot of head coaches were let go this year, and more to come. If we can find one who can recruit and be an improvement on Wilcox, we should hire him. I'd had advocated for James Franklin but he seems taken already. Bob Chesney (JMU) and Eric Morris (North Texas) and Ryan Silverfield (Memphis) would all be worth interviewing.
Golden One said:
I've been a season ticket holder since 1962, and this is the worst Cal game I've ever seen.
Golden One said:LarsBear74 said:
HOW IN HELL do you come out this flat and play THIS BADLY against a 3 - 7 team, AFTER A BYE? What the hell were they doing the past 2 weeks? I've been watching since 1968 and THIS performance is right down there near the bottom, the worst. Head-scratcher.
I've been a season ticket holder since 1962, and this is the worst Cal game I've ever seen.
Fred Bear said:bearister said:
Ben Braun wins this game.
This game is against Stanford, so there is no way Ben Braun would have won it.
SoFlaBear said:82gradDLSdad said:Nofado said:
My point exactly... find a school that needs a Plug and Play QB.
He'll land on his feet just fine. We will be left in less than mediocrity for the next decade. I don't think a coaching change changes anything. Cal hasn't been a football school since Tedford.
You just named the head coach that changed everything. Hired by men who knew exactly what they were looking for in a man coaching college aged men in a physically tough sport. There are coaching changes that can turn things around in a few years. You'll be able to tell early on. Look for tough hitting and blocking and running early on, not necessarily wins. It will show. Wilcox's teams never showed that.
Wilcox brought stability after Sonny Dykes, whose teams had horrific records despite scoring droves of points. Ironically, we overall have done pretty well in Big Games under Wilcox - which was something even Tedford struggled with.
"We will be left in less than mediocrity for the next decade. I don't think a coaching change changes anything."
I actually disagreed with Penn State's decision to relieve Franklin, but the Nittany Lions are finishing strong, and if they beat Rutgers they could be our Bowl opponent.
There are worse coaches than Justin Wilcox, but we are paying him a lot of money to go to a Bowl Week Bowl game roughly every other year. This year in particular, I think we could do better - either by tapping a fan favorite like DeSean Jackson, picking someone who fell off the coaching carousel that has had some reasonable success, or entering the hot assistant sweepstakes (I mean hot assistant football coach - get your mind out of the gutter). Tedford had done well at Fresno State. Tedford was an assistant in the CFL and with Oregon and Fresno State before coming to Cal.
philly1121 said:01Bear said:philly1121 said:Golden One said:philly1121 said:
There are no shortage of opinions on this board that extend to whether to retain or fire Wilcox. Surely one would have an opinion as to who to replace Wilcox. Or are you just wanting to throw a grenade into the room and close the door? I'll name 3 - SMU, Tulane and UNLV head coaches. Not big names, but interview worthy.
The "retain Wilcox" advocates is a group that is rapidly approaching zero members. After today, I honestly don't understand how anyone could support retaining such an awful head coach.
Once again, I'm not suggesting or advocating for Wilcox to be retained. I'm asking who the next person should be? I agree with people - sack him. But let's have some ideas on who.
What you're asking has also already been covered in other threads. Names like Desean, Tosh, and Jackson Eck were mentioned. Heck, the potential for Cal to hire some of the coaches was even discussed. But at the end of the day, the call will be Ron Rivera's as to whether (1) Wilcox is canned and (2) who replaces him. We can throw around names all we want, but that's not really going to amount to much. Whereas, fan discontent with the coach can lead to the powers that be firing him. For a similar situation, see what happened to Nico Harrison in Dallas after he traded Luka Doncic.
Honestly, I can't imagine anyone would want Desean. Its his first coaching gig. Its the FCS. Again, we're doing the same mind think with Desean that we did with Ron Rivera. Tosh - I mean, if we thought he would stick around longer than two years, maybe. But I think a review of head coaches at Tulane, SMU, Missouri and SMU should be considered.
DiabloWags said:
After the game two weeks ago Pawlaski said the players were chanting WILCOX! WILCOX! WILCOX!
I wonder what they were saying after this pathetically FLAT performance?
82gradDLSdad said:philly1121 said:ducktilldeath said:philly1121 said:calumnus said:philly1121 said:ducktilldeath said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:philly1121 said:sycasey said:
Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.
Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.
I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.
The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol
It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.
It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.
Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?
You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.
Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.
Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.
And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?
"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.
All of you want him gone, yet you cannot name one person who we might offer. The question still stands - who would come here? Name one, quacker.
What fan would have named Tedford or Bruce Snyder?
pingpong2 said:
Lest we forget, last year we barely beat a terrible Stanfurd squad, coming back from down 2 scores in the 4th, and it required a near herculean effort from the future Heisman QB. The warning signs were all there.
