My final comment on this would be what I always fall back to.

Everyone is talking about prior coaching such as Tedford but that was coaching in an era that has long since passed.

Coaching means nothing, absolutely nothing, without the financial support through the NIL.

This is the new era that we are in. It doesn't matter how good of a recruiter you are. If you don't have the financial backing, it just won't work. These young kids only care about the money. Everybody is playing musical chairs chasing the money because where the money is… the talent follows.

The very fact that Justin Wilcox said during an interview that they have to educate the players on the history of the big game shows that nobody cares about the big game as much as the old blues. This is probably why the kids on the farm cared more about this game. They don't have as much attrition. Most of the seniors have been there the entire four years. This game mattered much more to them in terms of pride than it did to ours.

These kids have no clue about rivalry, history, tradition, they're here for a year and gone the next.

If you want to spend money, spend it on offensive line and wide receivers. That's all you need. A mediocre running back and quarterback can do well as long as they have time to go through their progressions.

On defense, spend the money on defensive line and defensive defensive backs

You have to have absolute beasts and hogs in the trenches

If you don't have an offensive line, no quarterback in their right mind is going to come or stay in the program. If you don't have wide receivers that can create separation, we will have a second half like we did yesterday. No first downs, no movement with a plethora of three and outs.

I've said my peace that's all I have to say

Have a safe and blessed Thanksgiving everyone

Question for Gemini: " What are Cal's worst losses in the college football Cal vs Stanford big game?"

Response:

" The Cal Golden Bears' worst loss to the Stanford Cardinal in the Big Game was in 2013:
Date: November 23, 2013
Final Score: Stanford 63, Cal 13
Margin of Defeat: 50 points
This 50-point margin of victory for Stanford is the largest in the history of the Big Game.

Other Big Games where Cal suffered a significant loss by a wide margin include:
2010: Stanford 48, Cal 14 (34-point margin)
2014: Stanford 38, Cal 17 (21-point margin)
1996: Stanford 42, Cal 21 (21-point margin)
The recent 2025 game, where Cal lost 31-10 (21-point margin), is also among the wider-margin losses in the modern era."

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My final comment on this would be what I always fall back to.

Everyone is talking about prior coaching such as Tedford but that was coaching in an era that has long since passed.

Coaching means nothing absolutely nothing without financial support through the NIL. This is the new era that we are in. It doesn't matter how good of a recruiter you are if you don't have the financial backing these young kids only care about the money. Everybody is playing musical chairs chasing the money because where the money is the talent also follows.

The very fact that Justin Wilcox said during an interview that they have to educate the players on the history of the big game shows that nobody cares about the big game as much as the old blues. These kids have no clue about rivalry, history, tradition, they're here for a year and gone the next.

If you want to spend money, spend it on offensive line and wide receivers. That's all you need. A mediocre running back and quarterback can do well as long as they have time to go through their progressions.

On defense, spend the money on defensive line and defensive defensive backs

You have to have absolute beasts and hogs in the trenches

If you don't have an offensive line, no quarterback in the right mind is going to come or stay in the program. If you don't have wide receivers that can create separation, we will have a second half like we did yesterday. No first downs, no movement a plethora of three and out.

I've said my peace that's all I have to say have a great Thanksgiving everyone

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Take your logical and obvious comments someplace where reality is acknowledged.

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.

It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.

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Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?

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You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.

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Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.

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Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.

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And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?

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"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.

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All of you want him gone, yet you cannot name one person who we might offer. The question still stands - who would come here? Name one, quacker.

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What fan would have named Tedford or Bruce Snyder?

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Or Holmoe, your beloved Wilcox, or Gilby or Theder?

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Couldn't say on Theder.

Gilby (Keith Gilbertson) was an assistant with Washington in their 80s/90s heyday. At the time, several schools were rumored to be pursuing him. Sure, his agent started those rumors, but...

I never knew why they liked Holmoe so much. other than he worked under Mariucci, and his prior experience with Stanford and, of course, the 49ers.

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My final comment on this would be what I always fall back to.

Everyone is talking about prior coaching such as Tedford but that was coaching in an era that has long since passed.

Coaching means nothing, absolutely nothing, without the financial support through the NIL.

This is the new era that we are in. It doesn't matter how good of a recruiter you are. If you don't have the financial backing these young kids only care about the money. Everybody is playing musical chairs chasing the money because where the money is the talent also follows.

The very fact that Justin Wilcox said during an interview that they have to educate the players on the history of the big game shows that nobody cares about the big game as much as the old blues. This is probably why the kids on the farm cared more about this game. They don't have as much attrition. Most of the seniors have been there the entire four years. This game mattered much more to them in terms of pride than it did to ours.

These kids have no clue about rivalry, history, tradition, they're here for a year and gone the next.

If you want to spend money, spend it on offensive line and wide receivers. That's all you need. A mediocre running back and quarterback can do well as long as they have time to go through their progressions.

On defense, spend the money on defensive line and defensive defensive backs

You have to have absolute beasts and hogs in the trenches

If you don't have an offensive line, no quarterback in the right mind is going to come or stay in the program. If you don't have wide receivers that can create separation, we will have a second half like we did yesterday. No first downs, no movement with a plethora of three and outs.

I've said my peace that's all I have to say have a great Thanksgiving everyone

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This is the way.

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There are no shortage of opinions on this board that extend to whether to retain or fire Wilcox. Surely one would have an opinion as to who to replace Wilcox. Or are you just wanting to throw a grenade into the room and close the door? I'll name 3 - SMU, Tulane and UNLV head coaches. Not big names, but interview worthy.

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The "retain Wilcox" advocates is a group that is rapidly approaching zero members. After today, I honestly don't understand how anyone could support retaining such an awful head coach.

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Once again, I'm not suggesting or advocating for Wilcox to be retained. I'm asking who the next person should be? I agree with people - sack him. But let's have some ideas on who.

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What you're asking has also already been covered in other threads. Names like Desean, Tosh, and Jackson Eck were mentioned. Heck, the potential for Cal to hire some of the coaches was even discussed. But at the end of the day, the call will be Ron Rivera's as to whether (1) Wilcox is canned and (2) who replaces him. We can throw around names all we want, but that's not really going to amount to much. Whereas, fan discontent with the coach can lead to the powers that be firing him. For a similar situation, see what happened to Nico Harrison in Dallas after he traded Luka Doncic.

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Honestly, I can't imagine anyone would want Desean. Its his first coaching gig. Its the FCS. Again, we're doing the same mind think with Desean that we did with Ron Rivera. Tosh - I mean, if we thought he would stick around longer than two years, maybe. But I think a review of head coaches at Tulane, SMU, Missouri and SMU should be considered.

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You are a full blown troll. Mizzou's coach should "be considered"? His agent would laugh his ****ing ass off. He's making $3+++ million more than Wilcox is right now and coaches in the SEC, you absolute moron.

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You have entered The Twilight Zone. Show some restraint towards those afflicted.

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You've clearly blacked out the Holmoe years, but it's the worst I've seen in at least a decade.

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This was as bad as anything in the Holmoe era.

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This is worse, were we ever blown out by a 3-7 team during that time, don't think so

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The worst blowouts in the Holmoe era were in the 2001 season. We got blown out a lot, but by a lot by teams having very good years. USC was actually down that year and finished 6-6 with a new coach -- Pete Carroll. They whupped us 55-14 at home.

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You've clearly blacked out the Holmoe years, but it's the worst I've seen in at least a decade.

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This was as bad as anything in the Holmoe era.

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This is worse, were we ever blown out by a 3-7 team during that time, don't think so

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The worst blowouts in the Holmoe era were in the 2001 season. We got blown out a lot, but by a lot by teams having very good years. USC was actually down that year and finished 6-6 with a new coach -- Pete Carroll. They whupped us 55-14 at home.

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That game was amazing. There were a couple of thousand who stayed 'til the end. The four of us in all of Section TT who met on that day, abandoned by quitters who could not accept the Magic.

monsters

I'll admit Tedford was probably mentioned by casual fans because he was an offensive coordinator for a good west coast team. We knew about him. Snyder was not and had the look of a journeyman. My point is that hopefully the person in charge has more connections to the football experts to interview unknown gems. And hopefully our new GM has some recognition of what a football headcoach should possess in the way of experience and skills and personality. It's certainly no slam dunk. Everyone now knows what Wilcox is capable of and it has a very low ceiling.

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philly1121 said:

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There are no shortage of opinions on this board that extend to whether to retain or fire Wilcox. Surely one would have an opinion as to who to replace Wilcox. Or are you just wanting to throw a grenade into the room and close the door? I'll name 3 - SMU, Tulane and UNLV head coaches. Not big names, but interview worthy.

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The "retain Wilcox" advocates is a group that is rapidly approaching zero members. After today, I honestly don't understand how anyone could support retaining such an awful head coach.

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Once again, I'm not suggesting or advocating for Wilcox to be retained. I'm asking who the next person should be? I agree with people - sack him. But let's have some ideas on who.

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What you're asking has also already been covered in other threads. Names like Desean, Tosh, and Jackson Eck were mentioned. Heck, the potential for Cal to hire some of the coaches was even discussed. But at the end of the day, the call will be Ron Rivera's as to whether (1) Wilcox is canned and (2) who replaces him. We can throw around names all we want, but that's not really going to amount to much. Whereas, fan discontent with the coach can lead to the powers that be firing him. For a similar situation, see what happened to Nico Harrison in Dallas after he traded Luka Doncic.

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Honestly, I can't imagine anyone would want Desean. Its his first coaching gig. Its the FCS. Again, we're doing the same mind think with Desean that we did with Ron Rivera. Tosh - I mean, if we thought he would stick around longer than two years, maybe. But I think a review of head coaches at Tulane, SMU, Missouri and SMU should be considered.

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You are a full blown troll. Mizzou's coach should "be considered"? His agent would laugh his ****ing ass off. He's making $3+++ million more than Wilcox is right now and coaches in the SEC, you absolute moron.

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Says the guy who won't name one potential for a HC. Doorknob.

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.

It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.

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Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?

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You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.

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Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.

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Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.

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And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?

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"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.

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All of you want him gone, yet you cannot name one person who we might offer. The question still stands - who would come here? Name one, quacker.

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Again, this is an idiotic take. Fans don't need to have the answer. Why is that hard to comprehend? I can name dozens of coaches who CAL could offer and it wouldn't mean anything, I'm not the one hiring. What fans CAN and SHOULD do is scream at the top of their lungs when there's a problem that needs solving. You can't fix what you don't think is a problem. The next coach at CAL is going to get something like a 6 year 36 million dollar deal, and you are too dumb to think of anyone who'd want the job? You're a full blown troll at this point.

I'll be honest, I'd give Jonathan Smith a go if MSU wants to get rid of him. Will have west coast recruiting ties, can be a QB coach. Shown success at OSU. The MSU flop just means he can be gotten cheaper.

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https://link.springer.com/rwe/10.1007/978-3-319-97134-6_104-1

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.

It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.

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Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?

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You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.

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Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.

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Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.

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And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?

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"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.

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All of you want him gone, yet you cannot name one person who we might offer. The question still stands - who would come here? Name one, quacker.

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Again, this is an idiotic take. Fans don't need to have the answer. Why is that hard to comprehend? I can name dozens of coaches who CAL could offer and it wouldn't mean anything, I'm not the one hiring. What fans CAN and SHOULD do is scream at the top of their lungs when there's a problem that needs solving. You can't fix what you don't think is a problem. The next coach at CAL is going to get something like a 6 year 36 million dollar deal, and you are too dumb to think of anyone who'd want the job? You're a full blown troll at this point.

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You do realize that this is a discussion thread, right? And in this and other discussion threads, we discuss varying topics that are often anger driven or have some thought in them. You, and others, simply call for Wilcox to be fired. Which might present a veneer of intelligence for you but, in actuality, you're the actual troll who just shouts for something. And then screams louder when he doesn't think anyone can hear him. Its akin to a 4th grader. As if you think that Ron Rivera is going to listen or take counsel from your grade school rant. Truly childish. All complaint. No solutions.

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philly1121 said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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philly1121 said:

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calumnus said:

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philly1121 said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.

It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.

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Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?

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You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.

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Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.

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Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.

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And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?

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"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.

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All of you want him gone, yet you cannot name one person who we might offer. The question still stands - who would come here? Name one, quacker.

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Again, this is an idiotic take. Fans don't need to have the answer. Why is that hard to comprehend? I can name dozens of coaches who CAL could offer and it wouldn't mean anything, I'm not the one hiring. What fans CAN and SHOULD do is scream at the top of their lungs when there's a problem that needs solving. You can't fix what you don't think is a problem. The next coach at CAL is going to get something like a 6 year 36 million dollar deal, and you are too dumb to think of anyone who'd want the job? You're a full blown troll at this point.

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You do realize that this is a discussion thread, right? And in this and other discussion threads, we discuss varying topics that are often anger driven or have some thought in them. You, and others, simply call for Wilcox to be fired. Which might present a veneer of intelligence for you but, in actuality, you're the actual troll who just shouts for something. And then screams louder when he doesn't think anyone can hear him. Its akin to a 4th grader. As if you think that Ron Rivera is going to listen or take counsel from your grade school rant. Truly childish. All complaint. No solutions.

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JFC you're dumb, I literally said what I think doesn't matter. I don't need to name names because I'm not the one in charge. You crying like a baby that people "refuse" to name candidates is abject idiocy.

Someone didn't get laid.

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My final comment on this would be what I always fall back to.

Everyone is talking about prior coaching such as Tedford but that was coaching in an era that has long since passed.

Coaching means nothing, absolutely nothing, without the financial support through the NIL.

This is the new era that we are in. It doesn't matter how good of a recruiter you are. If you don't have the financial backing, it just won't work. These young kids only care about the money. Everybody is playing musical chairs chasing the money because where the money is… the talent follows.

The very fact that Justin Wilcox said during an interview that they have to educate the players on the history of the big game shows that nobody cares about the big game as much as the old blues. This is probably why the kids on the farm cared more about this game. They don't have as much attrition. Most of the seniors have been there the entire four years. This game mattered much more to them in terms of pride than it did to ours.

These kids have no clue about rivalry, history, tradition, they're here for a year and gone the next.

If you want to spend money, spend it on offensive line and wide receivers. That's all you need. A mediocre running back and quarterback can do well as long as they have time to go through their progressions.

On defense, spend the money on defensive line and defensive defensive backs

You have to have absolute beasts and hogs in the trenches

If you don't have an offensive line, no quarterback in their right mind is going to come or stay in the program. If you don't have wide receivers that can create separation, we will have a second half like we did yesterday. No first downs, no movement with a plethora of three and outs.

I've said my peace that's all I have to say

Have a safe and blessed Thanksgiving everyone

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All of the stuff you mentioned is not mutually exclusive from the performance of the coach and his staff. Why did we have to refill almost our entire offense this season? Because the new staff chased off most of the skill players. Money was not the reason they left.

All the more reason to move on from Wilcox.

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philly1121 said:

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philly1121 said:

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calumnus said:

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philly1121 said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.

It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.

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Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?

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You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.

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Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.

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Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.

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And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?

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"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.

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All of you want him gone, yet you cannot name one person who we might offer. The question still stands - who would come here? Name one, quacker.

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Again, this is an idiotic take. Fans don't need to have the answer. Why is that hard to comprehend? I can name dozens of coaches who CAL could offer and it wouldn't mean anything, I'm not the one hiring. What fans CAN and SHOULD do is scream at the top of their lungs when there's a problem that needs solving. You can't fix what you don't think is a problem. The next coach at CAL is going to get something like a 6 year 36 million dollar deal, and you are too dumb to think of anyone who'd want the job? You're a full blown troll at this point.

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Mendoza was already gone. Had nothing to do with the coaching change.

But if Endries and Javian had stayed we would have fared better. I think Ott was injured beyond repair.

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Mendoza was already gone. Had nothing to do with the coaching change.

But if Endries and Javian had stayed we would have fared better. I think Ott was injured beyond repair.

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Don't forget about all of our WRs. Not saying they were world-beaters but they were better than what we have now.

Mendoza is in another category. Seems like his move was at least partially driven by wanting to be closer to his brother/family. Not a lot you can do about that, and we did replace him with another talented QB.

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BEAST MODE said:

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Mendoza was already gone. Had nothing to do with the coaching change.

But if Endries and Javian had stayed we would have fared better. I think Ott was injured beyond repair.

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Mendoza is in another category. Seems like his move was at least partially driven by wanting to be closer to his brother/family. Not a lot you can do about that, and we did replace him with another talented QB.

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This is hardly mentioned at all but during the Florida State broadcast last year the announcers were talking about how his mom was not doing well and traveling to games to see both brothers was arduous

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As this column readies for public viewing, a few minutes past midnight, Justin Wilcox remains Cal's head coach. And he probably will keep that title for another week.

But after the season finale against SMU, the Bears could be shopping for a replacement.

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HOW IN HELL do you come out this flat and play THIS BADLY against a 3 - 7 team, AFTER A BYE? What the hell were they doing the past 2 weeks? I've been watching since 1968 and THIS performance is right down there near the bottom, the worst. Head-scratcher.

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I've been a season ticket holder since 1962, and this is the worst Cal game I've ever seen.

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I don't know, that 63-13 stomping in 2013 was real rough, but I suppose at least Stanfurd was really good that year.

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Yes, Stanford was really good in 2013. By contrast, the Stanford team that beat us yesterday is one of the worst Stanford teams in our lifetimes. They're led by an interim head coach and a QB who would struggle to make backup for any other P4 team. And they just manhandled us. Humiliating and embarrassing.

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HOW IN HELL do you come out this flat and play THIS BADLY against a 3 - 7 team, AFTER A BYE? What the hell were they doing the past 2 weeks? I've been watching since 1968 and THIS performance is right down there near the bottom, the worst. Head-scratcher.

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I've been a season ticket holder since 1962, and this is the worst Cal game I've ever seen.

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I don't know, that 63-13 stomping in 2013 was real rough, but I suppose at least Stanfurd was really good that year.

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Yes, Stanford was really good in 2013. By contrast, the Stanford team that beat us yesterday is one of the worst Stanford teams in our lifetimes. They're led by an interim head coach and a QB who would struggle to make backup for any other P4 team. And they just manhandled us. Humiliating and embarrassing.

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Definitely not worse than the 2006 squad but they have been 3-9 the previous 4 seasons, went 2-9 in 2002, and had 3-win seasons in 1988 and 1989 and kept the Axe both seasons, so have to go back 4 decades to find a loss like last night

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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I'll admit I was wrong. One game DID decide this. Of course, I don't think anyone thought we were going to lose like this. But, this is a good move. I'm not a Wilcox supporter. I was simply asking for options from the Oregon bellend if Wilcox is/was fired. I'm glad he's gone. And IF major or whale donors did tip the scale, then I was wrong about that too. Credit to them for saying - give him the axe.

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.

It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.

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Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?

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You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.

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Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.

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Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.

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And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?

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"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.

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All of you want him gone, yet you cannot name one person who we might offer. The question still stands - who would come here? Name one, quacker.

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Again, this is an idiotic take. Fans don't need to have the answer. Why is that hard to comprehend? I can name dozens of coaches who CAL could offer and it wouldn't mean anything, I'm not the one hiring. What fans CAN and SHOULD do is scream at the top of their lungs when there's a problem that needs solving. You can't fix what you don't think is a problem. The next coach at CAL is going to get something like a 6 year 36 million dollar deal, and you are too dumb to think of anyone who'd want the job? You're a full blown troll at this point.

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You do realize that this is a discussion thread, right? And in this and other discussion threads, we discuss varying topics that are often anger driven or have some thought in them. You, and others, simply call for Wilcox to be fired. Which might present a veneer of intelligence for you but, in actuality, you're the actual troll who just shouts for something. And then screams louder when he doesn't think anyone can hear him. Its akin to a 4th grader. As if you think that Ron Rivera is going to listen or take counsel from your grade school rant. Truly childish. All complaint. No solutions.

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JFC you're dumb, I literally said what I think doesn't matter. I don't need to name names because I'm not the one in charge. You crying like a baby that people "refuse" to name candidates is abject idiocy.

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On that, you're right. What you say doesn't matter. Wanker.

And now that he's gone - I'll ask again - in your wonderful review of college football coaches who may or not be on the move - who would be your choice? And yes, you're not on the hiring committee, so I won't quote you.

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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I'll admit I was wrong. One game DID decide this. Of course, I don't think anyone thought we were going to lose like this. But, this is a good move. I'm not a Wilcox supporter. I was simply asking for options from the Oregon bellend if Wilcox is/was fired. I'm glad he's gone. And IF major or whale donors did tip the scale, then I was wrong about that too. Credit to them for saying - give him the axe.

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This game was the final tipping point, but it didn't "decide" the firing. 9 years of mediocrity did.

Mostly agree, but I think the losses to SDSU, V-Tech, and now furd helped make it finally happen.

IMHO, the SDSU and furd losses were huge reasons.

Writing was on the wall when we lost essentially the entire RB room and WRs. Such a strange pre-season. I'll be honest, how we won 6 is kind of amazing lol.

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Writing was on the wall when we lost essentially the entire RB room and WRs. Such a strange pre-season. I'll be honest, how we won 6 is kind of amazing lol.

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We were fortunate that JKS was ready to play immediately and could be good as a true freshman. Without that it could have been really ugly.

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Writing was on the wall when we lost essentially the entire RB room and WRs. Such a strange pre-season. I'll be honest, how we won 6 is kind of amazing lol.

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We were fortunate that JKS was ready to play immediately and could be good as a true freshman. Without that it could have been really ugly.

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Writing was on the wall when we lost essentially the entire RB room and WRs. Such a strange pre-season. I'll be honest, how we won 6 is kind of amazing lol.

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Who do you think Cal would've beaten? I'm not knocking Devin Brown, as we've never really seen him play, but in just about every game Cal won, Jaron was key. I'm not saying Devin wouldn't have stepped up, I just don't know that he would have done so had the opportunity arisen.

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Writing was on the wall when we lost essentially the entire RB room and WRs. Such a strange pre-season. I'll be honest, how we won 6 is kind of amazing lol.

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Who do you think Cal would've beaten? I'm not knocking Devin Brown, as we've never really seen him play, but in just about every game Cal won, Jaron was key. I'm not saying Devin wouldn't have stepped up, I just don't know that he would have done so had the opportunity arisen.

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Devin wouldn't have stepped up, but OSU and Texas southern are that bad

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Writing was on the wall when we lost essentially the entire RB room and WRs. Such a strange pre-season. I'll be honest, how we won 6 is kind of amazing lol.

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We were fortunate that JKS was ready to play immediately and could be good as a true freshman. Without that it could have been really ugly.

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Who do you think Cal would've beaten? I'm not knocking Devin Brown, as we've never really seen him play, but in just about every game Cal won, Jaron was key. I'm not saying Devin wouldn't have stepped up, I just don't know that he would have done so had the opportunity arisen.

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Devin wouldn't have stepped up, but OSU and Texas southern are that bad

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Those are the only definite wins, Boston College and North Carolina may still turn out fine, perhaps even Minnesota, but without JKS we are probably not competitive with anybody after the first 2 games