RR loses his ethos if he does not fire Wilcox !

The only reason not to fire Wilcox immediately after this game is to avoid opening the transfer portal without having a replacement coach named.

There is zero excuse to have Wilcox coach the bowl game.

Why do people insist on throwing rocks at front men?

MrGPAC said:

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The only reason not to fire Wilcox immediately after this game is to avoid opening the transfer portal without having a replacement coach named.

There is zero excuse to have Wilcox coach the bowl game.

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I thought the portal opens after the succesor coach is named.

Northside91 said:

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Why do people insist on throwing rocks at front men?

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*** are you talking about Willis

Everyone seems to assume this decision is entirely at Ron's discretion but if the university or the donors won't pony up the buyout then Ron can't pull the trigger even if he wants to. In that case Ron could be criticized for failing to mobilize the needed resources but not for voluntarily retaining Wilcox.

southseasbear said:

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MrGPAC said:

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The only reason not to fire Wilcox immediately after this game is to avoid opening the transfer portal without having a replacement coach named.

There is zero excuse to have Wilcox coach the bowl game.

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I thought the portal opens after the succesor coach is named.

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He means the winter portal which opens January 2 and we need a coach in place before then to be recruiting or we are hosed

kal kommie said:

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Everyone seems to assume this decision is entirely at Ron's discretion but if the university or the donors won't pony up the buyout then Ron can't pull the trigger even if he wants to. In that case Ron could be criticized for failing to mobilize the needed resources but not for voluntarily retaining Wilcox.

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Then he should do it and take the job for the next 1-2 seasons to at least keep JKS around

southseasbear said:

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MrGPAC said:

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The only reason not to fire Wilcox immediately after this game is to avoid opening the transfer portal without having a replacement coach named.

There is zero excuse to have Wilcox coach the bowl game.

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I thought the portal opens after the succesor coach is named.

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This. 5 days after the next coach is announced.

Strykur said:

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southseasbear said:

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MrGPAC said:

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The only reason not to fire Wilcox immediately after this game is to avoid opening the transfer portal without having a replacement coach named.

There is zero excuse to have Wilcox coach the bowl game.

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I thought the portal opens after the succesor coach is named.

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He means the winter portal which opens January 2 and we need a coach in place before then to be recruiting or we are hosed

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There will always be a few warm bodies who need a home, free tuition, board, spending money, ..

BrightBear said:

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RR loses his ethos if he does not fire Wilcox !

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He already mishandled by not remaining noncommittal and instead chastising fan impatience. He looks like he took too long to figure out what we hoped he already knew when he walked in the door.

All will be forgotten if he fires him and makes a great hire, but he has dug a hole. If he doesn't fire Wilcox, he's going to find a lot of his phone calls are going to voicemail

kal kommie said:

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Everyone seems to assume this decision is entirely at Ron's discretion but if the university or the donors won't pony up the buyout then Ron can't pull the trigger even if he wants to. In that case Ron could be criticized for failing to mobilize the needed resources but not for voluntarily retaining Wilcox.

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There is no buyout. It's a guaranteed contract. He gets paid his regular salary until the end of the contract term whether he coaches Cal or not.

Bigger issue is how much money is available to hire a new HC on top of what JW will be paid. .

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kal kommie said:

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Everyone seems to assume this decision is entirely at Ron's discretion but if the university or the donors won't pony up the buyout then Ron can't pull the trigger even if he wants to. In that case Ron could be criticized for failing to mobilize the needed resources but not for voluntarily retaining Wilcox.

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There is no buyout. It's a guaranteed contract. He gets paid his regular salary until the end of the contract term whether he coaches Cal or not.

Bigger issue is how much money is available to hire a new HC on top of what JW will be paid. .

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Thank you for highlighting this terminology technicality since it was definitely the important part of the message.

The point was if the money isn't made available to Ron then he can't pull the trigger regardless of what he would like to do.

kal kommie said:

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DaveT said:

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kal kommie said:

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Everyone seems to assume this decision is entirely at Ron's discretion but if the university or the donors won't pony up the buyout then Ron can't pull the trigger even if he wants to. In that case Ron could be criticized for failing to mobilize the needed resources but not for voluntarily retaining Wilcox.

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There is no buyout. It's a guaranteed contract. He gets paid his regular salary until the end of the contract term whether he coaches Cal or not.

Bigger issue is how much money is available to hire a new HC on top of what JW will be paid. .

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Thank you for highlighting this terminology technicality since it was definitely the important part of the message.

The point was if the money isn't made available to Ron then he can't pull the trigger regardless of what he would like to do.

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It's his job to get the money and if we can't get the money at this point, we are never going to compete

why are we afraid of opening the transfer portal. the portal is opening within the next month anyways. what do we have to lose by opening the portal now?

Would also be interesting to know more about how the contracts are structured for the assistant coaches. Are some of those contracts also guaranteed? What are the typical terms in terms of years for those contracts?
A new head coach would probably want to select his own assistant coaches, so new money might also be needed for that.

kal kommie said:

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DaveT said:

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kal kommie said:

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Everyone seems to assume this decision is entirely at Ron's discretion but if the university or the donors won't pony up the buyout then Ron can't pull the trigger even if he wants to. In that case Ron could be criticized for failing to mobilize the needed resources but not for voluntarily retaining Wilcox.

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There is no buyout. It's a guaranteed contract. He gets paid his regular salary until the end of the contract term whether he coaches Cal or not.

Bigger issue is how much money is available to hire a new HC on top of what JW will be paid. .

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Thank you for highlighting this terminology technicality since it was definitely the important part of the message.

The point was if the money isn't made available to Ron then he can't pull the trigger regardless of what he would like to do.

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It was important. It's not a buyout. There's nothing to "pony up." The premise of your post is incorrect. They need to allocate more of the athletic budget or available donor funds to pay some extra HC salary for two seasons. That's not some insurmountable obstacle to RR firing Wilcox.

You don't need to be snarky or act like a jerk. Tough night for everyone, don't take it out on me.

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kal kommie said:

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DaveT said:

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kal kommie said:

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Everyone seems to assume this decision is entirely at Ron's discretion but if the university or the donors won't pony up the buyout then Ron can't pull the trigger even if he wants to. In that case Ron could be criticized for failing to mobilize the needed resources but not for voluntarily retaining Wilcox.

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There is no buyout. It's a guaranteed contract. He gets paid his regular salary until the end of the contract term whether he coaches Cal or not.

Bigger issue is how much money is available to hire a new HC on top of what JW will be paid. .

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Thank you for highlighting this terminology technicality since it was definitely the important part of the message.

The point was if the money isn't made available to Ron then he can't pull the trigger regardless of what he would like to do.

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It's his job to get the money and if we can't get the money at this point, we are never going to compete

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Rhetorically that's nice but Ron can't conjure the money out of thin air. The university or the big donors have to decide to pony up. If they won't then we're stuck with Wilcox.

And if the university or big donors won't pony up then there is no reason to believe that any other GM was going to make them. Wilcox's record speaks for itself. If that's not convincing enough to get our money men to sign off then we deserve what we have.

DaveT said:

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kal kommie said:

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DaveT said:

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kal kommie said:

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Everyone seems to assume this decision is entirely at Ron's discretion but if the university or the donors won't pony up the buyout then Ron can't pull the trigger even if he wants to. In that case Ron could be criticized for failing to mobilize the needed resources but not for voluntarily retaining Wilcox.

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There is no buyout. It's a guaranteed contract. He gets paid his regular salary until the end of the contract term whether he coaches Cal or not.

Bigger issue is how much money is available to hire a new HC on top of what JW will be paid. .

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Thank you for highlighting this terminology technicality since it was definitely the important part of the message.

The point was if the money isn't made available to Ron then he can't pull the trigger regardless of what he would like to do.

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It was important. It's not a buyout. There's nothing to "pony up." The premise of your post is incorrect. They need to allocate more of the athletic budget or available donor funds to pay some extra HC salary for two seasons. That's not some insurmountable obstacle to RR firing Wilcox.

You don't need to be snarky or act like a jerk. Tough night for everyone, don't take it out on me.

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Our money men have to make the funds available to do this. That was the point. If they won't then practically speaking Ron can't fire Wilcox.

kal kommie said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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kal kommie said:

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DaveT said:

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kal kommie said:

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Everyone seems to assume this decision is entirely at Ron's discretion but if the university or the donors won't pony up the buyout then Ron can't pull the trigger even if he wants to. In that case Ron could be criticized for failing to mobilize the needed resources but not for voluntarily retaining Wilcox.

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There is no buyout. It's a guaranteed contract. He gets paid his regular salary until the end of the contract term whether he coaches Cal or not.

Bigger issue is how much money is available to hire a new HC on top of what JW will be paid. .

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Thank you for highlighting this terminology technicality since it was definitely the important part of the message.

The point was if the money isn't made available to Ron then he can't pull the trigger regardless of what he would like to do.

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It's his job to get the money and if we can't get the money at this point, we are never going to compete

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Rhetorically that's nice but Ron can't conjure the money out of thin air. The university or the big donors have to decide to pony up. If they won't then we're stuck with Wilcox.

And if the university or big donors won't pony up then there is no reason to believe that any other GM was going to make them. Wilcox's record speaks for itself. If that's not convincing enough to get our money men to sign off then we deserve what we have.

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He's paid $800K to make the case. It's his job. Doing your job isn't magic.

kal kommie said:

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DaveT said:

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kal kommie said:

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DaveT said:

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kal kommie said:

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Everyone seems to assume this decision is entirely at Ron's discretion but if the university or the donors won't pony up the buyout then Ron can't pull the trigger even if he wants to. In that case Ron could be criticized for failing to mobilize the needed resources but not for voluntarily retaining Wilcox.

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There is no buyout. It's a guaranteed contract. He gets paid his regular salary until the end of the contract term whether he coaches Cal or not.

Bigger issue is how much money is available to hire a new HC on top of what JW will be paid. .

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Thank you for highlighting this terminology technicality since it was definitely the important part of the message.

The point was if the money isn't made available to Ron then he can't pull the trigger regardless of what he would like to do.

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It was important. It's not a buyout. There's nothing to "pony up." The premise of your post is incorrect. They need to allocate more of the athletic budget or available donor funds to pay some extra HC salary for two seasons. That's not some insurmountable obstacle to RR firing Wilcox.

You don't need to be snarky or act like a jerk. Tough night for everyone, don't take it out on me.

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Our money men have to make the funds available to do this. That was the point. If they won't then practically speaking Ron can't fire Wilcox.

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Our athletic department lost $60M in 2024. You can't find $5m out of that to divert to a new coach's salary. Cut everything else. Literally nobody gives a damn about any other part of the athletic department.

southseasbear said:

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MrGPAC said:

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The only reason not to fire Wilcox immediately after this game is to avoid opening the transfer portal without having a replacement coach named.

There is zero excuse to have Wilcox coach the bowl game.

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I thought the portal opens after the succesor coach is named.

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yes.

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BrightBear said:

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RR loses his ethos if he does not fire Wilcox !

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He already mishandled by not remaining noncommittal and instead chastising fan impatience. He looks like he took too long to figure out what we hoped he already knew when he walked in the door.

All will be forgotten if he fires him and makes a great hire, but he has dug a hole. If he doesn't fire Wilcox, he's going to find a lot of his phone calls are going to voicemail

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I have to be honest, even if he fires him now, with all of his rhetoric over the past months, part of me thinks the decision is driven by the fans vs. being his genuine belief.

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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BrightBear said:

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RR loses his ethos if he does not fire Wilcox !

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He already mishandled by not remaining noncommittal and instead chastising fan impatience. He looks like he took too long to figure out what we hoped he already knew when he walked in the door.

All will be forgotten if he fires him and makes a great hire, but he has dug a hole. If he doesn't fire Wilcox, he's going to find a lot of his phone calls are going to voicemail

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I have to be honest, even if he fires him now, with all of his rhetoric over the past months, part of me thinks the decision is driven by the fans vs. being his genuine belief.

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We have all been in situations where we have to react to circumstances that we did not anticipate or welcome

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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BrightBear said:

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RR loses his ethos if he does not fire Wilcox !

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He already mishandled by not remaining noncommittal and instead chastising fan impatience. He looks like he took too long to figure out what we hoped he already knew when he walked in the door.

All will be forgotten if he fires him and makes a great hire, but he has dug a hole. If he doesn't fire Wilcox, he's going to find a lot of his phone calls are going to voicemail

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I have to be honest, even if he fires him now, with all of his rhetoric over the past months, part of me thinks the decision is driven by the fans vs. being his genuine belief.

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true. but it's a problem i am willing to punt down the road. As long as he acts. That is the most crucial.

The advantage that Ron brings is his rolodex and his connections. That is very important at a time like this. If it was left to Knowlton you know he would use another search firm.

Ron solves a very important need at a critical juncture like this because of his experience and the network that he has.

If they can't come up with the needed extra funds, why not:

- RR coach 1-3 years - isn't he a better coach and leader than JW? NFL pedigree to get players to The Show?

- RR is already set; coach for his current $800K salary, and direct the extra monies raised to NIL and keeping JKS.

RR should have had his short list of HCs, and the sources for his needed funding, before this day arrived.

Audentes Fortuna iuvat.

Louis Pasteur: "Fortune favors the prepared mind."

movielover said:

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If they can't come up with the needed extra funds, why not:

- RR coach 1-3 years - isn't he a better coach and leader than JW? NFL pedigree to get players to The Show?

- RR is already set; coach for his current $800K salary, and direct the extra monies raised to NIL and keeping JKS.

RR should have had his short list of HCs, and the sources for his needed funding, before this day arrived.

Audentes Fortuna iuvat.

Louis Pasteur: "Fortune favors the prepared mind."

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i think if we cant come up with the funding to hire the next coach we might as well pack it in. Virginia Tech just committed 200M to football in the next 4 years while paying james franklin a 42M contract over 5 years.

If we can't even compete with maybe 70% to 80% of that I am not sure there's a point anymore

Steps for Rivera:
1. Fire Wilcox
2. Step in as interim, Reassure the players,especially JKS.
3. If you haven't already,start looking at up and coming HCs and OCs.
4. Start raising money for a new coach and NIL.
5. Worst case Rivera is the coach for the next year or two with the OC in training to be HC.

movielover said:

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RR should have had his short list of HCs, and the sources for his needed funding, before this day arrived.

Audentes Fortuna iuvat.

Louis Pasteur: "Fortune favors the prepared mind."

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Inopinatum est postulare praeparationem.

Ron Riveur(a): "Expecting preparedness is out of left field."

movielover said:

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If they can't come up with the needed extra funds, why not:

- RR coach 1-3 years - isn't he a better coach and leader than JW? NFL pedigree to get players to The Show?

- RR is already set; coach for his current $800K salary, and direct the extra monies raised to NIL and keeping JKS.

RR should have had his short list of HCs, and the sources for his needed funding, before this day arrived.

Audentes Fortuna iuvat.

Louis Pasteur: "Fortune favors the prepared mind."

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Exactly, fire Wilcox and start raising money for his replacement and NIL. Worst case is Rivera, a Suoer Bowl coach who at least would have the team fired up for Big Game is HC next year.

Should have been this season if Lyons had just taken control a year and a half ago.

calumnus said:

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Steps for Rivera:
1. Fire Wilcox
2. Step in as interim, Reassure the players,especially JKS.
3. If you haven't already,start looking at up and coming HCs and OCs.
4. Start raising money for a new coach and NIL.
5. Worst case Rivera is the coach for the next year or two with the OC in training to be HC.

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Rivera needs to spend every waking hour focusing on getting us the best possible coach to replace Wilcox.

Keep in mind he has to:

1. Raise money for the new coach
2. Identify candidates that he can afford with the money raised.
3. Interview the candidates and pick the best one available based on the budget.
4. Likely go back to donors and get their approval for the candidate chosen.
5. Talk to any current players and recruits that we wish to keep to ensure them we are taking the right steps forward.

That is a full time schedule and leaves no time to coach a meaningless game against smu or whatever bowl we do or do not end up accepting.

Harsin or rolovich can take that duty and let ron focus on the more important tasks.

He knew this day was coming. No offense to JW, but RR should (has?) have been having coffee / lunch with 8-15 up-and-coming coaches (in obscure or private locations) and graybeards looking for one more challenge. This includes background checks on the DL.

If he waits too long, no bueno. Doors close.

movielover said:

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He knew this day was coming. No offense to JW, but RR should (has?) have been having coffee / lunch with 8-15 up-and-coming coaches (in obscure or private locations) and graybeards looking for one more challenge. This includes background checks on the DL.

If he waits too long, no bueno. Doors close.

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Pat Fitzgerald? Paul Chryst?

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movielover said:

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He knew this day was coming. No offense to JW, but RR should (has?) have been having coffee / lunch with 8-15 up-and-coming coaches (in obscure or private locations) and graybeards looking for one more challenge. This includes background checks on the DL.

If he waits too long, no bueno. Doors close.

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Pat Fitzgerald? Paul Chryst?

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Good choices and should be on the list

Paul Chryst = Overall 86 - 45, 7-2 in bowls.
60 years old

Pat Fitzgerald = Overall 110 - 101, 5-5 bowls.
50 years old