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movielover
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I've never met either man, but from afar:

- RR, confident Alpha male, family man, Bear
- Wilcox sometimes looks scared of his own shadow, blames players in a roundabout way

Maybe RR isn't on his hip pocket if the Bears aren't getting blasted and lifeless.

This doesn't mean RR will succeed, but at least he's not rudderless.
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okaydo said:

HKBear97! said:

okaydo said:

This is the most annoying thing I read. From a Merc columnist.

Anyways, Wilcox made Rivera's decision easy.










Dieter is not wrong here and the mention of a power struggle is interesting. Does it impact the next hire? Will a coach want that much input from Rivera when prior to this new GM set-up they basically were kings of the castle?





Uh… Ron was Wilcox's boss. Pretty sure being someone's boss is not "pulling rank" or "undermining". It's literally doing the job you were hired to do. Wilcox got away with 8 years of basically no supervision and no accountability with extremely whelming results, we should all be grateful that changed
okaydo
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I see some people on social media saying that we'll regret firing Wilcox.

It reminds me of the same people that say we shouldn't have fired Tedford.



Tedford had fewer wins in his final 3 seasons than Dykes and Wilcox in their final 3 seasons.
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okaydo said:

It reminds me of the same people that say we shouldn't have fired Tedford.

Tedford had fewer wins in his final 3 seasons than Dykes and Wilcox in their final 3 seasons.
After 5-0 in 2007, Tedford had a losing record the rest of the way
okaydo
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Strykur said:

okaydo said:

It reminds me of the same people that say we shouldn't have fired Tedford.

Tedford had fewer wins in his final 3 seasons than Dykes and Wilcox in their final 3 seasons.

After 5-0 in 2007, Tedford had a losing record the rest of the way



i actually looked it up yesterday.

Wilcox won 48 games.

Tedford's 48th win was the 2007 Oregon game that made Cal 5-0 and paved the way for the No. 2 ranking.

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sycasey said:

okaydo said:

This is the most annoying thing I read. From a Merc columnist.

Anyways, Wilcox made Rivera's decision easy.










This kind of assumed helplessness around Cal's program is exactly what we need a new coach to turn around.

Exactly. It's time to start ACTING like CAL is a big time program. If CAL doesn't think they are, nobody will, not recruits, not donors, not coaches. Hopefully RR can bring that grit and resolve to the program and refuse to accept losing. This is a "dress for the job you want" analogy.
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ducktilldeath said:

sycasey said:

okaydo said:

This is the most annoying thing I read. From a Merc columnist.

Anyways, Wilcox made Rivera's decision easy.










This kind of assumed helplessness around Cal's program is exactly what we need a new coach to turn around.

Exactly. It's time to start ACTING like CAL is a big time program. If CAL doesn't think they are, nobody will, not recruits, not donors, not coaches. Hopefully RR can bring that grit and resolve to the program and refuse to accept losing. This is a "dress for the job you want" analogy.
It's scary when DTD is making sense.
Strykur
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75bear said:

ducktilldeath said:

sycasey said:

okaydo said:

This is the most annoying thing I read. From a Merc columnist.

Anyways, Wilcox made Rivera's decision easy.










This kind of assumed helplessness around Cal's program is exactly what we need a new coach to turn around.

Exactly. It's time to start ACTING like CAL is a big time program. If CAL doesn't think they are, nobody will, not recruits, not donors, not coaches. Hopefully RR can bring that grit and resolve to the program and refuse to accept losing. This is a "dress for the job you want" analogy.

It's scary when DTD is making sense.

I have an Oregon buddy (not on here and among other things actually wanted to keep the PAC-12 together) who has been completely baffled by the mismanagement of our program over the last decade or so, he knows as much as I do that Cal can compete with programs like Oregon but the actions of the Cal administration until very recently have been counterintuitive and there has been no explanation for it, other than just ignorance and stupidity, i.e. extending Wilcox, not being proactive while the PAC-12 was collapsing, etc.
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75bear said:

ducktilldeath said:

sycasey said:

okaydo said:

This is the most annoying thing I read. From a Merc columnist.

Anyways, Wilcox made Rivera's decision easy.










This kind of assumed helplessness around Cal's program is exactly what we need a new coach to turn around.

Exactly. It's time to start ACTING like CAL is a big time program. If CAL doesn't think they are, nobody will, not recruits, not donors, not coaches. Hopefully RR can bring that grit and resolve to the program and refuse to accept losing. This is a "dress for the job you want" analogy.

It's scary when DTD is making sense.

Nobody likes truth speakers until **** all swirls around and they align with them.
59bear
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MinotStateBeav said:

Will be hard to watch the race to sign our QB ..but this had to be done.

In this era of free agency, even successful coaches/programs have to scramble to retain talent.. Wilcox was given more than adequate time in which to succeed and didn't. In keeping him, we'd be more likely to lose good players than retain them.
TandemBear
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OMG! I can't believe it!

Oh what a bonanza!

I assumed I'd return here tomorrow to lament the continued tenure of JW. Nope! Yeah!
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59bear said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Will be hard to watch the race to sign our QB ..but this had to be done.

In this era of free agency, even successful coaches/programs have to scramble to retain talent.. Wilcox was given more than adequate time in which to succeed and didn't. In keeping him, we'd be more likely to lose good players than retain them.

More than adequate is an absolutely delightful turn of phrase.
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59bear said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Will be hard to watch the race to sign our QB ..but this had to be done.

In this era of free agency, even successful coaches/programs have to scramble to retain talent.. Wilcox was given more than adequate time in which to succeed and didn't. In keeping him, we'd be more likely to lose good players than retain them.

We already had the exodus with Mendoza and then the entire running back room in the spring, only JKS coming in delayed the inevitable
TandemBear
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Marty said:

The right thing to do at this point. Unfortunate that this didn't ever seem like a great fit. I for one, will not bash Wilcox. He had a undistinguished tenure, but he's a thoroughly decent person, from a family of distinguished individuals. He represented Cal with class and dignity, and I believe that he recruited the best players and people that he could. While I'm happy we're moving on, I sincerely wish him well in his future endeavors. I'm cautiously optimistic that Rivera will make a good hire, and that the football program, in his hands, has a better future.

I really fail to see why someone feels the need to come to the defense of someone who earned generational wealth from a public university. The world's #4 economy's highest paid public official, and yet you feel the "poor guy's getting dumped on and could use some support?"

Like the people in online comments sections who come to the defense of billionaires and multi-millionaires, defending their obscene wealth and income. Even if they were paid shills to defend them, it would be inane. But doing so free of charge? Mind boggling.

The guy will be paid TEN POINT NINE MILLION to get the hell out of town!* What a gig! Where do I sign up?!!!!

Rest assured, Wilcox needs and deserves no defending by any of us or the University. Sheesh!


*An absurd number for sure, but an absolute necessity in today's insane P4 coaching landscape, unfortunately.
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movielover said:

DiabloWags said:

annarborbear said:

Knowlton and Justin can compare mansions and Lamborghini's while we struggle to survive.

You can throw Larry Scott into that mix with his $50 million while he let the Pac-10 die.



Was that his total take for his time in charge? Offices were a lot cheaper in The Creek.

I get $41,554,404

Adding the total from this website:
https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/coach/1939
$30,675,244

To his termination amount of $10,879,160

Forty one and a half million. Not bad for nine years of work. He apparently maintained his health and can enjoy a very active and secure retirement.
Rushinbear
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HKBear97! said:

okaydo said:

This is the most annoying thing I read. From a Merc columnist.

Anyways, Wilcox made Rivera's decision easy.










Dieter is not wrong here and the mention of a power struggle is interesting. Does it impact the next hire? Will a coach want that much input from Rivera when prior to this new GM set-up they basically were kings of the castle?

except when a know-nothing or anti-FB AD pulls rank. That's what got Mike White - budget.
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Funny that's what the 11 Apostles thought as well. Thanks for making another showing.
Priest of the Patty Hearst Shrine
Trumpanzee
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Unfortunately I think (including Wiclox) knew this day was coming. Unfortunately Saturday's game should really be put on the efforts of the players. No way we should have lost that game with the talent we have, but we always seem to find a way to lose games we should have won.....
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TandemBear said:

Marty said:

The right thing to do at this point. Unfortunate that this didn't ever seem like a great fit. I for one, will not bash Wilcox. He had a undistinguished tenure, but he's a thoroughly decent person, from a family of distinguished individuals. He represented Cal with class and dignity, and I believe that he recruited the best players and people that he could. While I'm happy we're moving on, I sincerely wish him well in his future endeavors. I'm cautiously optimistic that Rivera will make a good hire, and that the football program, in his hands, has a better future.

I really fail to see why someone feels the need to come to the defense of someone who earned generational wealth from a public university. The world's #4 economy's highest paid public official, and yet you feel the "poor guy's getting dumped on and could use some support?"



Tandem, you and I usually butt heads when it comes to capitalism in the OT forum.

But I am in 100% agreement with you when it comes to the post above and some people being "concerned" about people bashing Wilcox. If he really was a decent person with class and dignity, he would waive the University's contract commitment of paying him an additional $10.9 million.

His conference record was so dismal that the University should have had a "claw back" in his contract.

I've met him twice at my local coffee shop in Lafayette.
A pretty reserved guy. Seems decent. But not someone I think I would go into battle with.
Just my gut.

This day was long in the making.
The harm done to this program for not dismissing him a lot earlier is massive.




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DoubtfulBear
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ducktilldeath said:

75bear said:

ducktilldeath said:

sycasey said:

okaydo said:

This is the most annoying thing I read. From a Merc columnist.

Anyways, Wilcox made Rivera's decision easy.










This kind of assumed helplessness around Cal's program is exactly what we need a new coach to turn around.

Exactly. It's time to start ACTING like CAL is a big time program. If CAL doesn't think they are, nobody will, not recruits, not donors, not coaches. Hopefully RR can bring that grit and resolve to the program and refuse to accept losing. This is a "dress for the job you want" analogy.

It's scary when DTD is making sense.

Nobody likes truth speakers until **** all swirls around and they align with them.

Took way too dam long, but am glad sentiment has finally turned around
Marty
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I'm not coming to anyone's defense. As I wrote, it's past time for this. Nevertheless, I also tried to express my appreciation for what I consider honest efforts, even if they were not enough. I'm entitled to do so. Multiple things can be simultaneously true: He failed, but he gave it his best, and as Rivera said, did it honestly and faithfully. Two other things can be true: People like you are simply trolls who would rather criticize others in the under the mistaken impression that it provides you with credibility, and the rest of us, who are literate and principled, enjoy laughing at your impotence and fecklessness.
TandemBear
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Thank you Diablo, appreciate it.
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Wow, Marty. I'm sure Wilcox appreciates your ad hominem attack. Nice job. Might wanna chill out a little bit. Maybe switch to decaf. (Or is this Mrs. Wilcox chiming in?)

My post was in response to the several posts in this thread and elsewhere where folks were coming to Wilcox's defense. I just don't get it. The dude's sitting REAL pretty right now. He can celebrate the holidays in style.

(And if he moves, he'll probably sell his house for a 100% gain as well. A friend who runs an East Bay engineering firm hired a partner from out of state many years ago. He simply could NOT shut up about how expensive his SF house was. On and on about how he was ripped off and all that. Then 3-4 years later, he moved on to another job out of the area, so he had to sell his SF property. When he realized he'd doubled his money in the short time, he was suddenly whistling a different tune! Totally overjoyed at his excellent investment in SF real estate. Kinda hilarious.)
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Marty said:

I'm not coming to anyone's defense. As I wrote, it's past time for this. Nevertheless, I also tried to express my appreciation for what I consider honest efforts, even if they were not enough. I'm entitled to do so. Multiple things can be simultaneously true: He failed, but he gave it his best, and as Rivera said, did it honestly and faithfully. Two other things can be true: People like you are simply trolls who would rather criticize others in the under the mistaken impression that it provides you with credibility, and the rest of us, who are literate and principled, enjoy laughing at your impotence and fecklessness.

Honest? How about the phony hc offer he got from UO in order to get this ridiculous extension...from a lazy, maybe corrupt, AD? How about his involvement with Tosh in the Tedford backstabbing?

RR is right about one thing: he seems to have given his best, given his level of ability to lead.
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Will there be any way to negotiate with Wilcox's remaining year on his contract or will Cal have to eat the whole burrito?
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MinotStateBeav said:

Will there be any way to negotiate with Wilcox's remaining year on his contract or will Cal have to eat the whole burrito?

years. 2.
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BearlyCareAnymore said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Will there be any way to negotiate with Wilcox's remaining year on his contract or will Cal have to eat the whole burrito?

years. 2.

ahh my bad, I thought he had only 1 year left.
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Cal88 said:

That guy Dieter is a Missouri grad who has worked before covering sports in south Florida, probably thinks they grow strawberries in the canyon above Memorial Stadium.

I don't read many of Deiter's columns, but from the headlines I see, 90% of them are about pro teams: Giants, Warriors, 49ers. I think he's been in the Bay Area for about 10 years but he writes about local college sports so seldom that I doubt he has any contacts in those domains. As a columnist, I think he's just trying to be relevant. If you grew up reading the Chron in the early 1970s, you may remember when Glenn Dickey moved from being the beat reporter for the Raiders (which in those days got more ink than the 49ers) to being a columnist. The first thing he did was to write a couple of columns about Willie Mays being washed up which, understandably, caused quite a controversy. But it accomplished what Dickey wanted - to get people reading and discussing his column (what today is getting "clicks'). That seems to be the purpose of every Deiter column I've read. No insight, just a lot of hot air.
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Rushinbear said:

HKBear97! said:

okaydo said:

This is the most annoying thing I read. From a Merc columnist.

Anyways, Wilcox made Rivera's decision easy.










Dieter is not wrong here and the mention of a power struggle is interesting. Does it impact the next hire? Will a coach want that much input from Rivera when prior to this new GM set-up they basically were kings of the castle?

except when a know-nothing or anti-FB AD pulls rank. That's what got Mike White - budget.

I thought that White and Maggard disagreed about how far to push the envelop as far as recruiting and keeping players eligible and that's what got Mike fired.
EDIT - I have to say, I loved Mike White. Yeah, he probably did cheat on recruiting. He took Illinois to the Rose Bowl but then landed them on probation, but I bet any Illini alum would say it was worth it. Ironic that Cal got slapped with NCAA sanctions during squeaky clean Tom Holmoe's regime.
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HearstMining said:

Rushinbear said:

HKBear97! said:

okaydo said:

This is the most annoying thing I read. From a Merc columnist.

Anyways, Wilcox made Rivera's decision easy.










Dieter is not wrong here and the mention of a power struggle is interesting. Does it impact the next hire? Will a coach want that much input from Rivera when prior to this new GM set-up they basically were kings of the castle?

except when a know-nothing or anti-FB AD pulls rank. That's what got Mike White - budget.

I thought that White and Maggard disagreed about how far to push the envelop as far as recruiting and keeping players eligible and that's what got Mike fired.

Spot on.
White moved on to Illinois and had an NCAA record 179 ncaa violations. He didn't learn to cheat at Illinois…,
(most of those violations wouldn't raise an eyebrow in this era…)
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HearstMining said:

..I thought that White and Maggard disagreed about how far to push the envelop as far as recruiting and keeping players eligible and that's what got Mike fired.
EDIT - I have to say, I loved Mike White. Yeah, he probably did cheat on recruiting. He took Illinois to the Rose Bowl but then landed them on probation, but I bet any Illini alum would say it was worth it. Ironic that Cal got slapped with NCAA sanctions during squeaky clean Tom Holmoe's regime.

turns out MW is still alive..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_White_(American_football_coach)
movielover
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JW to OSU?
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TandemBear said:

Wow, Marty. I'm sure Wilcox appreciates your ad hominem attack. Nice job. Might wanna chill out a little bit. Maybe switch to decaf. (Or is this Mrs. Wilcox chiming in?)

My post was in response to the several posts in this thread and elsewhere where folks were coming to Wilcox's defense. I just don't get it. The dude's sitting REAL pretty right now. He can celebrate the holidays in style.

(And if he moves, he'll probably sell his house for a 100% gain as well. A friend who runs an East Bay engineering firm hired a partner from out of state many years ago. He simply could NOT shut up about how expensive his SF house was. On and on about how he was ripped off and all that. Then 3-4 years later, he moved on to another job out of the area, so he had to sell his SF property. When he realized he'd doubled his money in the short time, he was suddenly whistling a different tune! Totally overjoyed at his excellent investment in SF real estate. Kinda hilarious.)

Your post literally replied to/quoted Marty's. So I think its understandable that he thought your post was responding to his.

I don't see anyone coming to Wilcox's defense. I see a some people saying he was a decent guy who tried his best but failed. The vast majority of people are thrilled that Cal will have a new coach next year. Not sure what it to be gained by crapping on Wilcox (or criticizing him for his wealth) on the way out.

And I find it pretty funny that people expect Wilcox to just walk away from $10M. Knowlton was the fool who gave him that contract and Wilcox fulfilled the contract. And for the record, at the end of the day there likely will be some sort of settlement where WIlcox gives Cal a discount (probably not a huge one). TBD.
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A Pox on you apostates from the Cult of Square Jaw.
 
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