Leading candidates for the job?

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calumnus said:

HearstMining said:

Cal88 said:

HungryCalBear said:

Hypothetical question: Tosh vs Desean - who would you choose?


Cal would be the dream job for Desean, while Tosh has had a track record of a mercenary mindset, viewing coaching as a business. That's one knock against Tosh, but the reason I don't want Tosh is that I don't think he is good enough in the bread and butter aspects of the job to lead Cal.

Desean has done a tremendous job in his first assignment as a head coach, turning a 1-11 program into an 8-4 winner.

Good article from the Sporting News about DJ and the Cal opening:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/desean-jackson-signals-where-he-stands-aaron-rodgers-marshawn-lynch-cal-and-future-coaching-opportunities/1f3205df308b63f8581dcc64

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Cal does not just need a new football coach. It needs a spark. It needs a direction. It needs a program builder who can reconnect the team to its alumni, reset the culture, and give the Bears an identity in a rebuilt ACC. DeSean Jackson checks every one of those boxes and brings something Cal has not had in years. Undeniable belief.

What Jackson did at Delaware State was not a rebuild. It was a resurrection. In one year he took a 1-11 program and turned it into an 8-4 team that played for the MEAC championship. The Hornets posted the largest win improvement in all of FCS football, and Jackson has been named an Eddie Robinson Award finalist. That honor goes to the national FCS Coach of the Year. It is national validation that his rise is real.

More importantly, he changed the program's heartbeat. Jackson explained on the MEAC coaches call that his philosophy begins with people, not plays. Be where your feet are, he told reporters. It is the same message he gives his players. We cannot get caught up in the chaos of the noise.

When he was asked about his coaching aspirations, Jackson did not dodge the question. He gave one of the clearest windows into who he is and how he sees his future.

...But nothing defines him more than the way he pours into his players. Jackson returned repeatedly to one theme. His players needed love, structure, honesty, and belief. These young men believe and trust in us, he said. They are willing to run through a brick wall for us. That level of buy in does not happen by accident. It happens when players know their coach sees them, respects them, and pushes them toward something greater than football.

Cal needs that. It needs a unifier and a motivator. It needs a face of the program who can recruit the Bay Area, energize the fan base, and bring back the swagger of the Marshawn Lynch, Aaron Rodgers, and DeSean Jackson era. It needs someone the players will follow and the alumni will rally behind.


We could do a lot worse than Desean.


Reads A LOT like the Joe Kapp story, doesn't it? And it worked for Kapp's first season because he surrounded himself with good X and O guys. As I recall, he lost several to the short-lived Oakland Invaders, didn't replace them with the same expertise, and that started the downward spiral. I moved up near Seattle at that point and could only follow the carnage from a distance. So, maybe if Desean could surround himself with the right staff and hold on to them, and if he worked well with Ron, it could work. It's a swing for the fences, that's for sure.


The key is that Ron Rivera would be the GM and coming in Desean would be agreeing to Rivera being completely involved in football operations and mentoring him or Rivera doesn't hire him. Desean is smart and would take that opportunity in a heartbeat.


Ron started by having a low level position with the Chicago Bears, then met Andy Reid(no big formal introduction) at the Senior Bowl, and impressed him enough to get hired as LB position coach in Andy's first year with the Eagles.. So, definitely had to go step by step for his success. I can't say for certain if he would hold that against DeSean... But let's face it, no matter how we think it could or would "work," Ron' s perception is the bottom line with any of these names.
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University stability C+? The Hayward Fault gets no respect.
Cal88
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HearstMining said:

Cal88 said:

HungryCalBear said:

Hypothetical question: Tosh vs Desean - who would you choose?


Cal would be the dream job for Desean, while Tosh has had a track record of a mercenary mindset, viewing coaching as a business. That's one knock against Tosh, but the reason I don't want Tosh is that I don't think he is good enough in the bread and butter aspects of the job to lead Cal.

Desean has done a tremendous job in his first assignment as a head coach, turning a 1-11 program into an 8-4 winner.

Good article from the Sporting News about DJ and the Cal opening:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/desean-jackson-signals-where-he-stands-aaron-rodgers-marshawn-lynch-cal-and-future-coaching-opportunities/1f3205df308b63f8581dcc64

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Cal does not just need a new football coach. It needs a spark. It needs a direction. It needs a program builder who can reconnect the team to its alumni, reset the culture, and give the Bears an identity in a rebuilt ACC. DeSean Jackson checks every one of those boxes and brings something Cal has not had in years. Undeniable belief.

What Jackson did at Delaware State was not a rebuild. It was a resurrection. In one year he took a 1-11 program and turned it into an 8-4 team that played for the MEAC championship. The Hornets posted the largest win improvement in all of FCS football, and Jackson has been named an Eddie Robinson Award finalist. That honor goes to the national FCS Coach of the Year. It is national validation that his rise is real.

More importantly, he changed the program's heartbeat. Jackson explained on the MEAC coaches call that his philosophy begins with people, not plays. Be where your feet are, he told reporters. It is the same message he gives his players. We cannot get caught up in the chaos of the noise.

When he was asked about his coaching aspirations, Jackson did not dodge the question. He gave one of the clearest windows into who he is and how he sees his future.

...But nothing defines him more than the way he pours into his players. Jackson returned repeatedly to one theme. His players needed love, structure, honesty, and belief. These young men believe and trust in us, he said. They are willing to run through a brick wall for us. That level of buy in does not happen by accident. It happens when players know their coach sees them, respects them, and pushes them toward something greater than football.

Cal needs that. It needs a unifier and a motivator. It needs a face of the program who can recruit the Bay Area, energize the fan base, and bring back the swagger of the Marshawn Lynch, Aaron Rodgers, and DeSean Jackson era. It needs someone the players will follow and the alumni will rally behind.


We could do a lot worse than Desean.


Reads A LOT like the Joe Kapp story, doesn't it? And it worked for Kapp's first season because he surrounded himself with good X and O guys. As I recall, he lost several to the short-lived Oakland Invaders, didn't replace them with the same expertise, and that started the downward spiral. I moved up near Seattle at that point and could only follow the carnage from a distance. So, maybe if Desean could surround himself with the right staff and hold on to them, and if he worked well with Ron, it could work. It's a swing for the fences, that's for sure.



Kapp had zero coaching experience, had retired from football 11 years before he took the Cal job. The game in 1982 was nothing like it was in 1971 when he last played, so not at all the same situation as with Djax.
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MinotStateBeav said:

3 teams coaches in the lower division I'd be looking at is Montana State, North Dakota and South Dakota State, actually all of Montana, North and South Dakota schools are actually really strong in that division. They all have significant differences stylistically too. The question marks with those schools is can they recruit at the next level.
Let Desean coach a few more years and then grab him. Either that or bring him in as an assistant with the goal of moving him up to OC or something. Though that can be risky as you usually want your HC to have autonomy on who he hires.


In principle I agree, although I'd say PJ Fleck hasn't gotten the hoped-for results at Minnesota, but that doesn't make him a bad hire. The Dakota schools are very well coached..
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MinotStateBeav said:

3 teams coaches in the lower division I'd be looking at is Montana State, North Dakota and South Dakota State

Oregon State was reportedly about to hire Montana State's head coach until someone in Corvallis decided they should talk to Wilcox first.
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Here is what Gemini says:

You should interview Bob Chesney, Jerry Mack, and Willie Fritz, as they are frequently compared to Curt Cignetti for their ability to build successful programs and win at multiple levels of college football. Other candidates with similar track records include Jason Eck, K.C. Keeler, and Tim Polasek, all of whom have demonstrated consistent winning at lower divisions or as head coaches.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/46954518/next-curt-cignetti-college-football-coaching-carousel
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I love his attitude and what he has done at d state is remarkable. I do wonder about its value inthe brave new world of nil. Phil jackson wasnt great because he could draw a triangle or motivate guys to run through walls...it was rather managing the ego of multimillionaires for whom the "game" is actually a lucractive occupatuon
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How about Jon Gruden?
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CAL74 said:

How about Jon Gruden?


You guys all need to get on the premium board.
And this is not an ad for Bearinsider….
The guy who knows everything will set you straight on why all these bogus suggestions arent a possibility.
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CAL74 said:

How about Jon Gruden?


Lol.
Rushinbear
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okaydo said:



One thing in our favor: we are very slow to fire underperforming football coaches.
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Alkiadt said:

CAL74 said:

How about Jon Gruden?


You guys all need to get on the premium board.
And this is not an ad for Bearinsider….
The guy who knows everything will set you straight on why all these bogus suggestions arent a possibility.
Tbf that's not really necessary for this one. The last time Gruden was a successful head coach was over 20 years ago and it's really hard to make the case that a coach who's blacklisted by the NFL is in the best interest of players who want to make it to the NFL. He's also supposed to be an ******* which, in the portal era where guys aren't held captive by the school they committed to, is a horrible idea. You can be an ******* if you're a champion, but when you're building and losing games that **** wears people down incredibly quickly.

Not every recognizable name is a good coach and not every obscure name is a bad coach
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Rushinbear said:

okaydo said:



One thing in our favor: we are very slow to fire underperforming football coaches.


Yes, which makes it an A for coaches. Stay here 10 years and amass generational wealth
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okaydo said:



The perception that we have little money is widespread. Maybe people see what we were paying Wilcox and assume we're broke. I think we'll be educating them shortly.
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pierrezo said:

okaydo said:



The perception that we have little money is widespread. Maybe people see what we were paying Wilcox and assume we're broke. I think we'll be educating them shortly.

Let history be your guide.
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Bobodeluxe said:

pierrezo said:

okaydo said:



The perception that we have little money is widespread. Maybe people see what we were paying Wilcox and assume we're broke. I think we'll be educating them shortly.

Let history be your guide.

Wasn't it put out there that over the last several years, we were competitive in both the coaching salary and the Assistants pool, relative to the conference? And the NIL efforts were very competitive as well?
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mbBear said:

Bobodeluxe said:

pierrezo said:

okaydo said:



The perception that we have little money is widespread. Maybe people see what we were paying Wilcox and assume we're broke. I think we'll be educating them shortly.

Let history be your guide.

Wasn't it put out there that over the last several years, we were competitive in both the coaching salary and the Assistants pool, relative to the conference? And the NIL efforts were very competitive as well?

To what end? Results of both efforts beg to differ.
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Bobodeluxe said:

mbBear said:

Bobodeluxe said:

pierrezo said:

okaydo said:



The perception that we have little money is widespread. Maybe people see what we were paying Wilcox and assume we're broke. I think we'll be educating them shortly.

Let history be your guide.

Wasn't it put out there that over the last several years, we were competitive in both the coaching salary and the Assistants pool, relative to the conference? And the NIL efforts were very competitive as well?

To what end? Results of both efforts beg to differ.

The results speak for themselves obviously. Still have to spend the money wisely. Right, we aren't in the running for the higher end candidates. There are schools that average close to three times the attendance, and easily double. Not questioning the difference in revenue streams...
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Alkiadt said:

CAL74 said:

How about Jon Gruden?


You guys all need to get on the premium board.
And this is not an ad for Bearinsider….
The guy who knows everything will set you straight on why all these bogus suggestions arent a possibility.

Who is "the guy who knows everything"? Surely, that's not premium board knowledge.
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mbBear said:

Bobodeluxe said:

mbBear said:

Bobodeluxe said:

pierrezo said:

okaydo said:



The perception that we have little money is widespread. Maybe people see what we were paying Wilcox and assume we're broke. I think we'll be educating them shortly.

Let history be your guide.

Wasn't it put out there that over the last several years, we were competitive in both the coaching salary and the Assistants pool, relative to the conference? And the NIL efforts were very competitive as well?

To what end? Results of both efforts beg to differ.

The results speak for themselves obviously. Still have to spend the money wisely. Right, we aren't in the running for the higher end candidates. There are schools that average close to three times the attendance, and easily double. Not questioning the difference in revenue streams...



The results speak to the fact that people claiming our spending is competitive are kidding themselves
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

Alkiadt said:

CAL74 said:

How about Jon Gruden?


You guys all need to get on the premium board.
And this is not an ad for Bearinsider….
The guy who knows everything will set you straight on why all these bogus suggestions arent a possibility.

Who is "the guy who knows everything"? Surely, that's not premium board knowledge.

I see you're still stuck in the PAC 10, so you're too far behind to educate.
And don't call me Shirley….
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Alkiadt said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Alkiadt said:

CAL74 said:

How about Jon Gruden?


You guys all need to get on the premium board.
And this is not an ad for Bearinsider….
The guy who knows everything will set you straight on why all these bogus suggestions arent a possibility.

Who is "the guy who knows everything"? Surely, that's not premium board knowledge.

I see you're still stuck in the PAC 10, so you're too far behind to educate.
And don't call me Shirley….


I think the point is the information is premium, not the source and people are more likely to think it's accurate if the source is named. Not that you have to do that - up to you- just a fact.
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Anarchistbear said:

Rushinbear said:

okaydo said:



One thing in our favor: we are very slow to fire underperforming football coaches.


Yes, which makes it an A for coaches. Stay here 10 years and amass generational wealth

Plus, maybe for the first time, we have a football guy making the call...and a Cal guy to boot. And, another Cal guy over the whole business.
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Alkiadt said:

I see you're still stuck in the PAC 10, so you're too far behind to educate.
And don't call me Shirley….

Surely, you can't pronounce your own username.
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Troy Taylor, eh? I have mixed feelings about him. He did some good things with a very bad hand dealt him, especially in his first season. In year two, he had (a bit) more talent and continuity and transfers, and yet got the same results (3 wins). He and his DC, Bobby April, also woefully misused David Bailey, only the nation's best pass rusher. They put him in coverage nearly 30% of the time (and my dog could see that Bailey was/is a pure pass rusher and was lost in the secondary) and benched him half the time.

After his second year, Taylor did some even stranger things. QB Ashton Daniels entered the transfer portal and Taylor chewed him out in his office, overheard by a number of players, and then withdrew his scholarship for Daniels's spring quarter, forcing him to pay out of pocket in order to graduate. Who does that?

Around the same time, he brought on his buddy from Sac St., Andy Thompson, to be co-DC and ILB coach. I thought it very odd at the time, but that has worked out very well. Thompson is loved by his players and also Reich, who singles out only Thompson, never the other DC, April. And Stanford's D has numerically improved light years this season relative to the last few.

I'll skip the accusations, of which I'm none too knowledgable. The bottom line for me is that he was universally disliked by his players, by the end of year two. That's been confirmed by sources I trust. Fwlimbw.

I had a few Cal friends at my tailgate this past weekend and we chatted about who might replace Wilcox whenever Rivera got around to firing him. Jackson and Tosh came up obviously. My preferences would be Sean Lewis or Jackson. Again, fwlimb.
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Anarchistbear said:



Well, if Rolo and Harsin are two of the candidates, getting it down to 10 really only means cutting two more.

I'm fine if future HC wants to keep Rolo on staff if it helps keep JKS, but Harsin is likely the main culprit behind decimating the WR and RB rooms last spring. I don't see how making him HC will help with player retention.
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Some of these things are obligatory
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bluehenbear said:

Anarchistbear said:



Well, if Rolo and Harsin are two of the candidates, getting it down to 10 really only means cutting two more.

I'm fine if future HC wants to keep Rolo on staff if it helps keep JKS, but Harsin is likely the main culprit behind decimating the WR and RB rooms last spring. I don't see how making him HC will help with player retention.

Harsin only becomes considered if he has some names ready for good staff and/or JKS really wants him, but a necessary courtesy anyway
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pierrezo said:

okaydo said:



The perception that we have little money is widespread. Maybe people see what we were paying Wilcox and assume we're broke. I think we'll be educating them shortly.


What do they mean by 'University Stability'? If they mean how quickly they will fire the coach, i'd think Cal is an A.
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golden sloth said:

pierrezo said:

okaydo said:



The perception that we have little money is widespread. Maybe people see what we were paying Wilcox and assume we're broke. I think we'll be educating them shortly.

What do they mean by 'University Stability'? If they mean how quickly they will fire the coach, i'd think Cal is an F.

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Strykur said:

golden sloth said:

pierrezo said:

okaydo said:



The perception that we have little money is widespread. Maybe people see what we were paying Wilcox and assume we're broke. I think we'll be educating them shortly.

What do they mean by 'University Stability'? If they mean how quickly they will fire the coach, i'd think Cal is an F.




I was looking at it from the coach's perspective
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I guess it's time to start the flight tracking portion of this coaching search. A Reddit user found this private jet flight from Eugene to Oakland this evening.
https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/EJA551/history/20251126/0200Z/KEUG/KOAK
 
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