boredom said:

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DaveT said:

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Cal88 said:

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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I echo your thoughts eastcoastalcal

If Tosh didn't have the baggage he did this board would be clamoring for him given his resume.

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• Alabama (2017)
  Co-defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach
• Alabama (2018)
  Defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach

-If he was a good DC, he would have been retained at Alabama, not let go after one season. Going from DC at the top program in the NCAA to a DL coach at one of the worst NFL organisations is a step down.

-He couldn't hold on to a DC coach position in the NFL for more than 1 year, he was let go after every season.

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He was the co-defensive coordinator in 2017, the year the Tide won the national championship. In 2017, their defense ranked first nationally in total defense, allowing 260.4 yards per game. They also led the nation in rushing defense, permitting only 66.4 yards per game, and were second in scoring defense, allowing 9.8 points per game.

In 2018, he was the defensive coordinator. The Tide played for the national championship that year, but lost to Clemson. In 2018, their defense ranked #12 nationally in points allowed.

Since joining Oregon as the DC, the Ducks have consistently ranked in the top 20 in most defensive categories, and are the #3 ranked defense in yards allowed this season.

No idea if he's any good, but statistically he's led very solid defenses as a college DC.

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He didn't make it through 1 season as the play caller at Alabama. Saban didn't have confidence that Tosh could do it (but wanted to keep him for the recruiting) and hired an insurance policy. After seeing Tosh fail early in the season Saban demoted him and handed play calling to the insurance policy. So yes, Alabama had a good defense that year and Tosh did play a part in it but mostly through recruiting.

"Lupoi seemed overwhelmed during practices and didn't totally grasp situational play-calling"
https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/01/why-tosh-lupoi-leaving-alabama-was-long-expected.html

So yes, great recruiter. But he can't run an offense or a defense or special teams. Apparently had trouble running practices or making in game adjustments. There's a lot of red flags there around the stuff that a head coach would need to be good at.

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Directly from the article you posted - " Despite his struggles as a first-time defensive coordinator, there is still a strong belief within the coaching community that Lupoi could be a good head coach one day."

4thGenCal said:

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boredom said:

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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boredom said:

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no Tosh. Even putting aside for the moment all the stuff from when he left and the cash in a cup and etc, no.

He's not shown himself to be a good coach. He had 3 shots at being a position coach in the NFL and failed quickly each time, never even made it to year 2. Saban made him the DC and then got rid of him.

He's a good recruiter. Yes. But he's not a good coach. With most coaches you only need to make a really good hire on one side of the ball, with Tosh we'd need both as he can't handle either side of the ball.

How come nobody else wants him? He's been known as an elite recruiter for 15 years. He was the DC under Saban almost a decade ago. Why is Cal the only school to talk about hiring him? Why isn't furd or UCLA or any of the 10(?) other major conference programs that need a new coach clamoring for this guy?

This is how we end up with Wilcox or Joe Kapp. We can explore options that have not been at Cal before. We don't have to reach for a guy nobody else wants just because he was at Cal when our recruits were in diapers.

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except that 4thGenCal literally just explained that people do want him.

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no he didn't. He said Chase Lyman likes him. Is Chase Lyman hiring UCLA's next coach?

I'm sure Tosh has backers in the Cal community. I never said he didn't. I said that, to my knowledge, he hasn't surfaced as a leading contender for any other major conference head coaching opening.

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Need to correct some of your miss statements - Yes there are three programs reaching out to him now (with Coach Lanning approval) and Definitely want him. His heart is for Cal - RR will make a thorough and vetted decisions. I trust RR's experience, leadership, and football decisions impacting Cal. Most of the conversations are done before the media finds out. As to your assertions that "He is not a good coach" bizarre comment given who has hired him and increased his salary to keep him at numerous stops. Should be informative to listen to what Saban, Sarkisian, Smart and now Lanning say about him.

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you may be right about who is pursuing him. I will say that there tend to be a lot of leaks on that stuff and a brief search only showed Oregon State which is not a major conference job so still 0 on that front. Maybe I'd find more if I looked more or maybe it's all just very quiet. What is publicly known is that he hasn't gotten such a job to date and he's been a known quantity for a long while.

What do Saban, etc say about him I don't really care. Coaches fluff other coaches. Mark Fox's hiring came with a bunch of positive quotes about him from big name basketball coaches. Saban's actions - demoting him partway through his first year as play caller and relying on him as a recruiter - are more telling than whatever quote he gives.

Bearbassics said:

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boredom said:

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DaveT said:

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Cal88 said:

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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I echo your thoughts eastcoastalcal

If Tosh didn't have the baggage he did this board would be clamoring for him given his resume.

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• Alabama (2017)
  Co-defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach
• Alabama (2018)
  Defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach

-If he was a good DC, he would have been retained at Alabama, not let go after one season. Going from DC at the top program in the NCAA to a DL coach at one of the worst NFL organisations is a step down.

-He couldn't hold on to a DC coach position in the NFL for more than 1 year, he was let go after every season.

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He was the co-defensive coordinator in 2017, the year the Tide won the national championship. In 2017, their defense ranked first nationally in total defense, allowing 260.4 yards per game. They also led the nation in rushing defense, permitting only 66.4 yards per game, and were second in scoring defense, allowing 9.8 points per game.

In 2018, he was the defensive coordinator. The Tide played for the national championship that year, but lost to Clemson. In 2018, their defense ranked #12 nationally in points allowed.

Since joining Oregon as the DC, the Ducks have consistently ranked in the top 20 in most defensive categories, and are the #3 ranked defense in yards allowed this season.

No idea if he's any good, but statistically he's led very solid defenses as a college DC.

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He didn't make it through 1 season as the play caller at Alabama. Saban didn't have confidence that Tosh could do it (but wanted to keep him for the recruiting) and hired an insurance policy. After seeing Tosh fail early in the season Saban demoted him and handed play calling to the insurance policy. So yes, Alabama had a good defense that year and Tosh did play a part in it but mostly through recruiting.

"Lupoi seemed overwhelmed during practices and didn't totally grasp situational play-calling"
https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/01/why-tosh-lupoi-leaving-alabama-was-long-expected.html

So yes, great recruiter. But he can't run an offense or a defense or special teams. Apparently had trouble running practices or making in game adjustments. There's a lot of red flags there around the stuff that a head coach would need to be good at.

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Directly from the article you posted - " Despite his struggles as a first-time defensive coordinator, there is still a strong belief within the coaching community that Lupoi could be a good head coach one day."

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he could be. So could Wilcox. So could thousands of other people. For what it's worth we're consistently told that the coaching community thinks highly of Wilcox and the job he's done at Cal. The coaching community rarely says anything but nice things about coaches.

My issue is that he's shown to be an elite recruiter but every time he's been judged on his coaching and not his recruiting he hasn't made it to year 2. DC (actual DC with play calling duties) at Alabama, DL at 3 different NFL teams. To be fair I don't know what he does at Oregon and how much Lanning leads the defense.

Tosh just seems like an Eric Bienemy type. Coached under Andy Reid, won a bunch there, was the OC. Didn't call plays. As soon as he was on his own he tanked. And that on his own tanking was under Ron Rivera so I guess there's a good chance we hire Tosh.

boredom said:

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no Tosh. Even putting aside for the moment all the stuff from when he left and the cash in a cup and etc, no.

He's not shown himself to be a good coach. He had 3 shots at being a position coach in the NFL and failed quickly each time, never even made it to year 2. Saban made him the DC and then got rid of him.

He's a good recruiter. Yes. But he's not a good coach. With most coaches you only need to make a really good hire on one side of the ball, with Tosh we'd need both as he can't handle either side of the ball.

How come nobody else wants him? He's been known as an elite recruiter for 15 years. He was the DC under Saban almost a decade ago. Why is Cal the only school to talk about hiring him? Why isn't furd or UCLA or any of the 10(?) other major conference programs that need a new coach clamoring for this guy?

This is how we end up with Wilcox or Joe Kapp. We can explore options that have not been at Cal before. We don't have to reach for a guy nobody else wants just because he was at Cal when our recruits were in diapers.

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Exactly!

Saban hired him almost exclusively for his recruiting skills, and Tosh did deliver there. Saban probably had to promote Tosh from position coach to DC because Tosh was a hot commodity as a super-recruiter. But once Tosh became the DC, his liability as an underperformer at running the defense exceeded his benefit as a recruiter, so Saban fired him. He went from the DC at the #1 college program to a position coach at Cleveland, a city and region with which he had no personal connections, and one of the worst franchises in the NFL.

He was let go from Cleveland after just one season, landed at Atlanta with the same DL gig, probably out of respect for him having worked under Saban in the top college program, then let go again after just one year, and the same thing happened once again at another southern NFL program, Jacksonville.

He is listed as DC and linebacker coach at Oregon, chances are Dan Lanning, one of the top defensive specialists in college football, picks up a lot of the slack running the duck defense,

If Lupoi as a defensive specialist isn't even good enough to handle the defense, how is the offense going to do with him as a HC? This was one of the main issues with Wilcox.

Listening to you and trusting you thru the years, 4th. I am cautiously optimistic, but will defer to you and your position and years of being much closer to what is actually going on.

Thank you for the voice of reason.

I remain

GO BEARS!!

boredom said:

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Bearbassics said:

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boredom said:

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DaveT said:

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Cal88 said:

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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I echo your thoughts eastcoastalcal

If Tosh didn't have the baggage he did this board would be clamoring for him given his resume.

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• Alabama (2017)
  Co-defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach
• Alabama (2018)
  Defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach

-If he was a good DC, he would have been retained at Alabama, not let go after one season. Going from DC at the top program in the NCAA to a DL coach at one of the worst NFL organisations is a step down.

-He couldn't hold on to a DC coach position in the NFL for more than 1 year, he was let go after every season.

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He was the co-defensive coordinator in 2017, the year the Tide won the national championship. In 2017, their defense ranked first nationally in total defense, allowing 260.4 yards per game. They also led the nation in rushing defense, permitting only 66.4 yards per game, and were second in scoring defense, allowing 9.8 points per game.

In 2018, he was the defensive coordinator. The Tide played for the national championship that year, but lost to Clemson. In 2018, their defense ranked #12 nationally in points allowed.

Since joining Oregon as the DC, the Ducks have consistently ranked in the top 20 in most defensive categories, and are the #3 ranked defense in yards allowed this season.

No idea if he's any good, but statistically he's led very solid defenses as a college DC.

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He didn't make it through 1 season as the play caller at Alabama. Saban didn't have confidence that Tosh could do it (but wanted to keep him for the recruiting) and hired an insurance policy. After seeing Tosh fail early in the season Saban demoted him and handed play calling to the insurance policy. So yes, Alabama had a good defense that year and Tosh did play a part in it but mostly through recruiting.

"Lupoi seemed overwhelmed during practices and didn't totally grasp situational play-calling"
https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/01/why-tosh-lupoi-leaving-alabama-was-long-expected.html

So yes, great recruiter. But he can't run an offense or a defense or special teams. Apparently had trouble running practices or making in game adjustments. There's a lot of red flags there around the stuff that a head coach would need to be good at.

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Directly from the article you posted - " Despite his struggles as a first-time defensive coordinator, there is still a strong belief within the coaching community that Lupoi could be a good head coach one day."

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he could be. So could Wilcox. So could thousands of other people. For what it's worth we're consistently told that the coaching community thinks highly of Wilcox and the job he's done at Cal. The coaching community rarely says anything but nice things about coaches.

My issue is that he's shown to be an elite recruiter but every time he's been judged on his coaching and not his recruiting he hasn't made it to year 2. DC (actual DC with play calling duties) at Alabama, DL at 3 different NFL teams. To be fair I don't know what he does at Oregon and how much Lanning leads the defense.

Tosh just seems like an Eric Bienemy type. Coached under Andy Reid, won a bunch there, was the OC. Didn't call plays. As soon as he was on his own he tanked. And that on his own tanking was under Ron Rivera so I guess there's a good chance we hire Tosh.

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You don't need to be a great schematic coordinator to be a great head coach. Wilcox was a great defensive coordinator schematically. It turns out he couldn't recruit, couldn't manage a staff, couldn't motivate his team, and couldn't make in game adjustments.

We at least know Tosh is good at two of those things (recruiting and motivating) and there's reason to believe he'll assemble a good staff because of who he's worked for over the last decade plus. He may not be great at in game adjustments, we'll find out, but luckily he'd be coming into a situation where he's working for an NFL coach of the year who I'm sure can provide gameday support as needed for a first time head coach (very different arrangement than when he was trying to respectfully evaluate a 9 year coach he inherited)

Bearbassics said:

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boredom said:

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Bearbassics said:

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boredom said:

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DaveT said:

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Cal88 said:

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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I echo your thoughts eastcoastalcal

If Tosh didn't have the baggage he did this board would be clamoring for him given his resume.

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• Alabama (2017)
  Co-defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach
• Alabama (2018)
  Defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach

-If he was a good DC, he would have been retained at Alabama, not let go after one season. Going from DC at the top program in the NCAA to a DL coach at one of the worst NFL organisations is a step down.

-He couldn't hold on to a DC coach position in the NFL for more than 1 year, he was let go after every season.

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He was the co-defensive coordinator in 2017, the year the Tide won the national championship. In 2017, their defense ranked first nationally in total defense, allowing 260.4 yards per game. They also led the nation in rushing defense, permitting only 66.4 yards per game, and were second in scoring defense, allowing 9.8 points per game.

In 2018, he was the defensive coordinator. The Tide played for the national championship that year, but lost to Clemson. In 2018, their defense ranked #12 nationally in points allowed.

Since joining Oregon as the DC, the Ducks have consistently ranked in the top 20 in most defensive categories, and are the #3 ranked defense in yards allowed this season.

No idea if he's any good, but statistically he's led very solid defenses as a college DC.

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He didn't make it through 1 season as the play caller at Alabama. Saban didn't have confidence that Tosh could do it (but wanted to keep him for the recruiting) and hired an insurance policy. After seeing Tosh fail early in the season Saban demoted him and handed play calling to the insurance policy. So yes, Alabama had a good defense that year and Tosh did play a part in it but mostly through recruiting.

"Lupoi seemed overwhelmed during practices and didn't totally grasp situational play-calling"
https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/01/why-tosh-lupoi-leaving-alabama-was-long-expected.html

So yes, great recruiter. But he can't run an offense or a defense or special teams. Apparently had trouble running practices or making in game adjustments. There's a lot of red flags there around the stuff that a head coach would need to be good at.

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Directly from the article you posted - " Despite his struggles as a first-time defensive coordinator, there is still a strong belief within the coaching community that Lupoi could be a good head coach one day."

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he could be. So could Wilcox. So could thousands of other people. For what it's worth we're consistently told that the coaching community thinks highly of Wilcox and the job he's done at Cal. The coaching community rarely says anything but nice things about coaches.

My issue is that he's shown to be an elite recruiter but every time he's been judged on his coaching and not his recruiting he hasn't made it to year 2. DC (actual DC with play calling duties) at Alabama, DL at 3 different NFL teams. To be fair I don't know what he does at Oregon and how much Lanning leads the defense.

Tosh just seems like an Eric Bienemy type. Coached under Andy Reid, won a bunch there, was the OC. Didn't call plays. As soon as he was on his own he tanked. And that on his own tanking was under Ron Rivera so I guess there's a good chance we hire Tosh.

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You don't need to be a great schematic coordinator to be a great head coach. Wilcox was a great defensive coordinator schematically. It turns out he couldn't recruit, couldn't manage a staff, couldn't motivate his team, and couldn't make in game adjustments.

We at least know Tosh is good at two of those things (recruiting and motivating) and there's reason to believe he'll assemble a good staff because of who he's worked for over the last decade plus. He may not be great at in game adjustments, we'll find out, but luckily he'd be coming into a situation where he's working for an NFL coach of the year who I'm sure can provide gameday support as needed for a first time head coach (very different arrangement than when he was trying to respectfully evaluate a 9 year coach he inherited)

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Exactly. What makes a good head coach is quite different than what makes a good coordinator. Just like what makes a good leader very different than what makes a good individual contributor at any corporate job. At some point its not the details anymore. As the CEO for football you need to know enough directionally but at some point its trusting the people you hired to do their job and know when it's not working.

Tosh is no slouch when it comes to doing the coordinator job. I am not sure what standards yall are measuring him against. If you carry that same critical lens I am sure you can nitpick any of our potential hires

Bearbassics said:

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boredom said:

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Bearbassics said:

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boredom said:

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DaveT said:

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Cal88 said:

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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I echo your thoughts eastcoastalcal

If Tosh didn't have the baggage he did this board would be clamoring for him given his resume.

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• Alabama (2017)
  Co-defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach
• Alabama (2018)
  Defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach

-If he was a good DC, he would have been retained at Alabama, not let go after one season. Going from DC at the top program in the NCAA to a DL coach at one of the worst NFL organisations is a step down.

-He couldn't hold on to a DC coach position in the NFL for more than 1 year, he was let go after every season.

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He was the co-defensive coordinator in 2017, the year the Tide won the national championship. In 2017, their defense ranked first nationally in total defense, allowing 260.4 yards per game. They also led the nation in rushing defense, permitting only 66.4 yards per game, and were second in scoring defense, allowing 9.8 points per game.

In 2018, he was the defensive coordinator. The Tide played for the national championship that year, but lost to Clemson. In 2018, their defense ranked #12 nationally in points allowed.

Since joining Oregon as the DC, the Ducks have consistently ranked in the top 20 in most defensive categories, and are the #3 ranked defense in yards allowed this season.

No idea if he's any good, but statistically he's led very solid defenses as a college DC.

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He didn't make it through 1 season as the play caller at Alabama. Saban didn't have confidence that Tosh could do it (but wanted to keep him for the recruiting) and hired an insurance policy. After seeing Tosh fail early in the season Saban demoted him and handed play calling to the insurance policy. So yes, Alabama had a good defense that year and Tosh did play a part in it but mostly through recruiting.

"Lupoi seemed overwhelmed during practices and didn't totally grasp situational play-calling"
https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/01/why-tosh-lupoi-leaving-alabama-was-long-expected.html

So yes, great recruiter. But he can't run an offense or a defense or special teams. Apparently had trouble running practices or making in game adjustments. There's a lot of red flags there around the stuff that a head coach would need to be good at.

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Directly from the article you posted - " Despite his struggles as a first-time defensive coordinator, there is still a strong belief within the coaching community that Lupoi could be a good head coach one day."

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he could be. So could Wilcox. So could thousands of other people. For what it's worth we're consistently told that the coaching community thinks highly of Wilcox and the job he's done at Cal. The coaching community rarely says anything but nice things about coaches.

My issue is that he's shown to be an elite recruiter but every time he's been judged on his coaching and not his recruiting he hasn't made it to year 2. DC (actual DC with play calling duties) at Alabama, DL at 3 different NFL teams. To be fair I don't know what he does at Oregon and how much Lanning leads the defense.

Tosh just seems like an Eric Bienemy type. Coached under Andy Reid, won a bunch there, was the OC. Didn't call plays. As soon as he was on his own he tanked. And that on his own tanking was under Ron Rivera so I guess there's a good chance we hire Tosh.

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You don't need to be a great schematic coordinator to be a great head coach. Wilcox was a great defensive coordinator schematically. It turns out he couldn't recruit, couldn't manage a staff, couldn't motivate his team, and couldn't make in game adjustments.

We at least know Tosh is good at two of those things (recruiting and motivating) and there's reason to believe he'll assemble a good staff because of who he's worked for over the last decade plus. He may not be great at in game adjustments, we'll find out, but luckily he'd be coming into a situation where he's working for an NFL coach of the year who I'm sure can provide gameday support as needed for a first time head coach (very different arrangement than when he was trying to respectfully evaluate a 9 year coach he inherited)

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Tosh did used to play a lot of Madden on Xbox.

calumnus said:

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Bearbassics said:

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boredom said:

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Bearbassics said:

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boredom said:

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DaveT said:

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Cal88 said:

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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I echo your thoughts eastcoastalcal

If Tosh didn't have the baggage he did this board would be clamoring for him given his resume.

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• Alabama (2017)
  Co-defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach
• Alabama (2018)
  Defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach

-If he was a good DC, he would have been retained at Alabama, not let go after one season. Going from DC at the top program in the NCAA to a DL coach at one of the worst NFL organisations is a step down.

-He couldn't hold on to a DC coach position in the NFL for more than 1 year, he was let go after every season.

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He was the co-defensive coordinator in 2017, the year the Tide won the national championship. In 2017, their defense ranked first nationally in total defense, allowing 260.4 yards per game. They also led the nation in rushing defense, permitting only 66.4 yards per game, and were second in scoring defense, allowing 9.8 points per game.

In 2018, he was the defensive coordinator. The Tide played for the national championship that year, but lost to Clemson. In 2018, their defense ranked #12 nationally in points allowed.

Since joining Oregon as the DC, the Ducks have consistently ranked in the top 20 in most defensive categories, and are the #3 ranked defense in yards allowed this season.

No idea if he's any good, but statistically he's led very solid defenses as a college DC.

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He didn't make it through 1 season as the play caller at Alabama. Saban didn't have confidence that Tosh could do it (but wanted to keep him for the recruiting) and hired an insurance policy. After seeing Tosh fail early in the season Saban demoted him and handed play calling to the insurance policy. So yes, Alabama had a good defense that year and Tosh did play a part in it but mostly through recruiting.

"Lupoi seemed overwhelmed during practices and didn't totally grasp situational play-calling"
https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/01/why-tosh-lupoi-leaving-alabama-was-long-expected.html

So yes, great recruiter. But he can't run an offense or a defense or special teams. Apparently had trouble running practices or making in game adjustments. There's a lot of red flags there around the stuff that a head coach would need to be good at.

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Directly from the article you posted - " Despite his struggles as a first-time defensive coordinator, there is still a strong belief within the coaching community that Lupoi could be a good head coach one day."

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he could be. So could Wilcox. So could thousands of other people. For what it's worth we're consistently told that the coaching community thinks highly of Wilcox and the job he's done at Cal. The coaching community rarely says anything but nice things about coaches.

My issue is that he's shown to be an elite recruiter but every time he's been judged on his coaching and not his recruiting he hasn't made it to year 2. DC (actual DC with play calling duties) at Alabama, DL at 3 different NFL teams. To be fair I don't know what he does at Oregon and how much Lanning leads the defense.

Tosh just seems like an Eric Bienemy type. Coached under Andy Reid, won a bunch there, was the OC. Didn't call plays. As soon as he was on his own he tanked. And that on his own tanking was under Ron Rivera so I guess there's a good chance we hire Tosh.

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You don't need to be a great schematic coordinator to be a great head coach. Wilcox was a great defensive coordinator schematically. It turns out he couldn't recruit, couldn't manage a staff, couldn't motivate his team, and couldn't make in game adjustments.

We at least know Tosh is good at two of those things (recruiting and motivating) and there's reason to believe he'll assemble a good staff because of who he's worked for over the last decade plus. He may not be great at in game adjustments, we'll find out, but luckily he'd be coming into a situation where he's working for an NFL coach of the year who I'm sure can provide gameday support as needed for a first time head coach (very different arrangement than when he was trying to respectfully evaluate a 9 year coach he inherited)

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Tosh did used to play a lot of Madden on Xbox.

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Our offense on Saturday looked more basic than a Madden playbook

Strykur said:

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Our offense on Saturday looked more basic than a Madden playbook

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When other teams run up the middle, it usually works out.

Strykur said:

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calumnus said:

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Bearbassics said:

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boredom said:

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Bearbassics said:

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boredom said:

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DaveT said:

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Cal88 said:

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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I echo your thoughts eastcoastalcal

If Tosh didn't have the baggage he did this board would be clamoring for him given his resume.

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• Alabama (2017)
  Co-defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach
• Alabama (2018)
  Defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach

-If he was a good DC, he would have been retained at Alabama, not let go after one season. Going from DC at the top program in the NCAA to a DL coach at one of the worst NFL organisations is a step down.

-He couldn't hold on to a DC coach position in the NFL for more than 1 year, he was let go after every season.

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He was the co-defensive coordinator in 2017, the year the Tide won the national championship. In 2017, their defense ranked first nationally in total defense, allowing 260.4 yards per game. They also led the nation in rushing defense, permitting only 66.4 yards per game, and were second in scoring defense, allowing 9.8 points per game.

In 2018, he was the defensive coordinator. The Tide played for the national championship that year, but lost to Clemson. In 2018, their defense ranked #12 nationally in points allowed.

Since joining Oregon as the DC, the Ducks have consistently ranked in the top 20 in most defensive categories, and are the #3 ranked defense in yards allowed this season.

No idea if he's any good, but statistically he's led very solid defenses as a college DC.

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He didn't make it through 1 season as the play caller at Alabama. Saban didn't have confidence that Tosh could do it (but wanted to keep him for the recruiting) and hired an insurance policy. After seeing Tosh fail early in the season Saban demoted him and handed play calling to the insurance policy. So yes, Alabama had a good defense that year and Tosh did play a part in it but mostly through recruiting.

"Lupoi seemed overwhelmed during practices and didn't totally grasp situational play-calling"
https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/01/why-tosh-lupoi-leaving-alabama-was-long-expected.html

So yes, great recruiter. But he can't run an offense or a defense or special teams. Apparently had trouble running practices or making in game adjustments. There's a lot of red flags there around the stuff that a head coach would need to be good at.

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Directly from the article you posted - " Despite his struggles as a first-time defensive coordinator, there is still a strong belief within the coaching community that Lupoi could be a good head coach one day."

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he could be. So could Wilcox. So could thousands of other people. For what it's worth we're consistently told that the coaching community thinks highly of Wilcox and the job he's done at Cal. The coaching community rarely says anything but nice things about coaches.

My issue is that he's shown to be an elite recruiter but every time he's been judged on his coaching and not his recruiting he hasn't made it to year 2. DC (actual DC with play calling duties) at Alabama, DL at 3 different NFL teams. To be fair I don't know what he does at Oregon and how much Lanning leads the defense.

Tosh just seems like an Eric Bienemy type. Coached under Andy Reid, won a bunch there, was the OC. Didn't call plays. As soon as he was on his own he tanked. And that on his own tanking was under Ron Rivera so I guess there's a good chance we hire Tosh.

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You don't need to be a great schematic coordinator to be a great head coach. Wilcox was a great defensive coordinator schematically. It turns out he couldn't recruit, couldn't manage a staff, couldn't motivate his team, and couldn't make in game adjustments.

We at least know Tosh is good at two of those things (recruiting and motivating) and there's reason to believe he'll assemble a good staff because of who he's worked for over the last decade plus. He may not be great at in game adjustments, we'll find out, but luckily he'd be coming into a situation where he's working for an NFL coach of the year who I'm sure can provide gameday support as needed for a first time head coach (very different arrangement than when he was trying to respectfully evaluate a 9 year coach he inherited)

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Tosh did used to play a lot of Madden on Xbox.

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Our offense on Saturday looked more basic than a Madden playbook

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After getting out rushed by the previous worst rushing team in the country, we are now in last place instead, #136 of 136 teams in rushing and in yards per carry.

Our QB has no time. We only regularly play one fast receiver and he is 5'6".

I am the opposite of a Harsin fan, but he is a good play caller. Problem is, you need players and he repels them. It is like people praising Mark Fox's X's and O's skills. The end result was 3-29, worst record in the country and in our history with the lowest scoring team in the country.

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Given the ESPN reports that he is a leading candidate, I think we should all take a step back and breathe. I know the circumstances under which he left were undesirable. I understand having resentment towards that. I'm here to say that he is a dream candidate and if we land him, we should be ecstatic.

This is a guy who leads a top 10 defensive unit for a national title contender, is from the Saban tree (and was explicitly named as one of the best recruiters in the country & invaluable members of the staff), has recruited top-5 classes, and has sent tons of kids to the NFL.

Addressing concerns:
"Okay so he's a top-flight recruiter, what about his Xs/Os?"
- He has experience under the best of the best coaching trees. Saban is notorious for manufacturing his staff to be killer with game fundamentals and exhaustive scheme knowledge. Tosh has led top defensive units both at Alabama and Oregon.

"What about the lack of HC experience?"
- In this day and age, the HC has effectively become a CEO / managerial role. HCs aren't calling plays (mostly), they're hiring excellent staff and being a frontline recruiter / representative of the program. These are all calling cards for Tosh. You can even argue this is one of Wilcox's biggest weaknesses- he isn't a hair on fire recruiter and managed his staff poorly. Tosh will come with bona-fide recruiting chops + a rolodex of top flight assistants/coordinators who are from the various trees he's worked in (all winners). Wilcox's tree was stale and he consistently towards the end of his tenture seemed to regurgitate his friends. A modernized system will do wonders.

"Okay, but Toshgate was so bad"
- Ask any of the players and they still say they love him. I can't speak to the specifics obviously but seriously: the players don't hold anything against him. Look at twitter, look at their comments. They love Tosh. There was a whole lot that went on, but if we hired Wilcox who absolutely knew about everything that went down, we can get over it and welcome back Tosh. The last thing I'll say on this is the idea of growth: Do you believe someone can grow, learn, and improve over 15 years? Do you believe people are not static? Swallow the bitterness and understand that we are at an existential moment for the program. It is win or be relegated. Getting over hurt feelings from over 15 years ago is necessary. We can overcome.

The truth is, this is the type of candidate who if not for his Cal ties, we could only dream of landing. One of the best recruiters in the nation (yes, he is) who has coached top-5 units, landed top 3 classes, has literally won nearly everywhere he's gone, and is loved by players, the whale donors at Cal, and has west coast ties?

Don't overthink it-- if we get Tosh, we should be celebrating. Bring Tosh Home!

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Dan Lanning is Oregon's head coach. He was the DC on Georgia's National Championship team. It is his defense. Same with Saban at Alabama. Did Tosh even do any hiring? I don't trust hiring OCs from schools with offensive gurus as HCs and I don't trust DCs from schools with defensive gurus as head coaches. I doubt Tosh has the organizational and management experience to be a head coach. If Rivera thinks so, maybe, but it is a huge concern.

If we hire Tosh we need to spend big on a OC and if they turn out to be good, spend even more. In that case, I'd rather Rivera be the head coach as we could lure a good OC to Cal and keep them with the possibility of taking over from Rivera sooner rather than later.

Finally, even if half the fanbase is for him, half the fanbase hates him. It is the main reason I thought we needed to move on from Sonny Dykes, not that he was necessarily a bad football coach, but because half the fanbase absolutely despised him.

We need the next football coach to a guy that the vast majority of fans, players and especially donors can rally around. Tosh ain't it.

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This is such a garbage take, and sadly par for the course from you. Kirby Smart is why UGA had an all time defense, not Dan Lanning. Lanning is not a defensive savant, he is a relationship savant, an elite communicator and motivator.

The man can recruit like a M'erF'er... https://247sports.com/coach/tosh-lupoi-715/alltimerecruits/

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The man can recruit like a M'erF'er... https://247sports.com/coach/tosh-lupoi-715/alltimerecruits/

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Tedford's health issues were not going to keep him around for very long but if he did not throw Tosh under the bus in 2010, there is a strong possibility that Tosh with his recruiting prowess has us contending for PAC-12, and then now, Big Ten titles

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The man can recruit like a M'erF'er... https://247sports.com/coach/tosh-lupoi-715/alltimerecruits/

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How does he do know that NIL exists, it is a differenr recruiting game now

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What the hell am I reading

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I echo your thoughts eastcoastalcal

If Tosh didn't have the baggage he did this board would be clamoring for him given his resume.

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• Alabama (2017)
  Co-defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach
• Alabama (2018)
  Defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach

-If he was a good DC, he would have been retained at Alabama, not let go after one season. Going from DC at the top program in the NCAA to a DL coach at one of the worst NFL organisations is a step down.

-He couldn't hold on to a DC coach position in the NFL for more than 1 year, he was let go after every season.

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He was the co-defensive coordinator in 2017, the year the Tide won the national championship. In 2017, their defense ranked first nationally in total defense, allowing 260.4 yards per game. They also led the nation in rushing defense, permitting only 66.4 yards per game, and were second in scoring defense, allowing 9.8 points per game.

In 2018, he was the defensive coordinator. The Tide played for the national championship that year, but lost to Clemson. In 2018, their defense ranked #12 nationally in points allowed.

Since joining Oregon as the DC, the Ducks have consistently ranked in the top 20 in most defensive categories, and are the #3 ranked defense in yards allowed this season.

No idea if he's any good, but statistically he's led very solid defenses as a college DC.

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He didn't make it through 1 season as the play caller at Alabama. Saban didn't have confidence that Tosh could do it (but wanted to keep him for the recruiting) and hired an insurance policy. After seeing Tosh fail early in the season Saban demoted him and handed play calling to the insurance policy. So yes, Alabama had a good defense that year and Tosh did play a part in it but mostly through recruiting.

"Lupoi seemed overwhelmed during practices and didn't totally grasp situational play-calling"
https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/01/why-tosh-lupoi-leaving-alabama-was-long-expected.html

So yes, great recruiter. But he can't run an offense or a defense or special teams. Apparently had trouble running practices or making in game adjustments. There's a lot of red flags there around the stuff that a head coach would need to be good at.

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Some serious cherry picking of that article

Very Important

If you look back to the day before he left, I, by a different avatar, saw him at Starbucks and talked about the encounter. I did not know at the time that he had already resigned and there was no news of it. But he was such a massive recruiter and guy, i decided to walk up to him and tell him how much the fans appreciated him. i then turned around and order my drink and waited for five minutes as the barista was slow. Suddenly i felt someone new was behind me and close. I quickly turned and it was Tosh. He had waited as it was important for him to do something, one last time. It was to say thank you. .
I was stunned as he extended his hand and we shook hands. it was so damn clear that it was an apology but why i was thinking? Later, i realized that it was an apology and thank you to all of us fans "but its time for me to go." He then stared for a while, smiled and turned like a soldier and walked away.
Man was i confused.

Later that night, you can check, i posted about the strange encounter here on Bear Insider. i pointed out how he waited five minutes to shake my hand and what a classy guy he was.

Dude is a giant in my opinion and if you would of been there you would of thought the same.
And also, it was clear he will always be a Cal Guy and wanted me to know.

I know, wuzzy post.

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boredom said:

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I echo your thoughts eastcoastalcal

If Tosh didn't have the baggage he did this board would be clamoring for him given his resume.

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• Alabama (2017)
  Co-defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach
• Alabama (2018)
  Defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach

-If he was a good DC, he would have been retained at Alabama, not let go after one season. Going from DC at the top program in the NCAA to a DL coach at one of the worst NFL organisations is a step down.

-He couldn't hold on to a DC coach position in the NFL for more than 1 year, he was let go after every season.

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He was the co-defensive coordinator in 2017, the year the Tide won the national championship. In 2017, their defense ranked first nationally in total defense, allowing 260.4 yards per game. They also led the nation in rushing defense, permitting only 66.4 yards per game, and were second in scoring defense, allowing 9.8 points per game.

In 2018, he was the defensive coordinator. The Tide played for the national championship that year, but lost to Clemson. In 2018, their defense ranked #12 nationally in points allowed.

Since joining Oregon as the DC, the Ducks have consistently ranked in the top 20 in most defensive categories, and are the #3 ranked defense in yards allowed this season.

No idea if he's any good, but statistically he's led very solid defenses as a college DC.

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So yes, great recruiter. But he can't run an offense or a defense or special teams. Apparently had trouble running practices or making in game adjustments. There's a lot of red flags there around the stuff that a head coach would need to be good at.

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Some serious cherry picking of that article

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Being a good recruiter can compensate for coaching ability, Mario Cristobal in-game is a mess but he has been successful because he gets talent to commit to play for him

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calumnus said:

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Given the ESPN reports that he is a leading candidate, I think we should all take a step back and breathe. I know the circumstances under which he left were undesirable. I understand having resentment towards that. I'm here to say that he is a dream candidate and if we land him, we should be ecstatic.

This is a guy who leads a top 10 defensive unit for a national title contender, is from the Saban tree (and was explicitly named as one of the best recruiters in the country & invaluable members of the staff), has recruited top-5 classes, and has sent tons of kids to the NFL.

Addressing concerns:
"Okay so he's a top-flight recruiter, what about his Xs/Os?"
- He has experience under the best of the best coaching trees. Saban is notorious for manufacturing his staff to be killer with game fundamentals and exhaustive scheme knowledge. Tosh has led top defensive units both at Alabama and Oregon.

"What about the lack of HC experience?"
- In this day and age, the HC has effectively become a CEO / managerial role. HCs aren't calling plays (mostly), they're hiring excellent staff and being a frontline recruiter / representative of the program. These are all calling cards for Tosh. You can even argue this is one of Wilcox's biggest weaknesses- he isn't a hair on fire recruiter and managed his staff poorly. Tosh will come with bona-fide recruiting chops + a rolodex of top flight assistants/coordinators who are from the various trees he's worked in (all winners). Wilcox's tree was stale and he consistently towards the end of his tenture seemed to regurgitate his friends. A modernized system will do wonders.

"Okay, but Toshgate was so bad"
- Ask any of the players and they still say they love him. I can't speak to the specifics obviously but seriously: the players don't hold anything against him. Look at twitter, look at their comments. They love Tosh. There was a whole lot that went on, but if we hired Wilcox who absolutely knew about everything that went down, we can get over it and welcome back Tosh. The last thing I'll say on this is the idea of growth: Do you believe someone can grow, learn, and improve over 15 years? Do you believe people are not static? Swallow the bitterness and understand that we are at an existential moment for the program. It is win or be relegated. Getting over hurt feelings from over 15 years ago is necessary. We can overcome.

The truth is, this is the type of candidate who if not for his Cal ties, we could only dream of landing. One of the best recruiters in the nation (yes, he is) who has coached top-5 units, landed top 3 classes, has literally won nearly everywhere he's gone, and is loved by players, the whale donors at Cal, and has west coast ties?

Don't overthink it-- if we get Tosh, we should be celebrating. Bring Tosh Home!

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Dan Lanning is Oregon's head coach. He was the DC on Georgia's National Championship team. It is his defense. Same with Saban at Alabama. Did Tosh even do any hiring? I don't trust hiring OCs from schools with offensive gurus as HCs and I don't trust DCs from schools with defensive gurus as head coaches. I doubt Tosh has the organizational and management experience to be a head coach. If Rivera thinks so, maybe, but it is a huge concern.

If we hire Tosh we need to spend big on a OC and if they turn out to be good, spend even more. In that case, I'd rather Rivera be the head coach as we could lure a good OC to Cal and keep them with the possibility of taking over from Rivera sooner rather than later.

Finally, even if half the fanbase is for him, half the fanbase hates him. It is the main reason I thought we needed to move on from Sonny Dykes, not that he was necessarily a bad football coach, but because half the fanbase absolutely despised him.

We need the next football coach to a guy that the vast majority of fans, players and especially donors can rally around. Tosh ain't it.

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This is such a garbage take, and sadly par for the course from you. Kirby Smart is why UGA had an all time defense, not Dan Lanning. Lanning is not a defensive savant, he is a relationship savant, an elite communicator and motivator.

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No need to insult when you are correcting with more info. You know the Ducks and I defer to your knowledge. So you are endorsing Tosh's defensive acumen?

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Right now we need either an offensive/QB mastermind, or a kickass recruiter that can convince JKS to stick around and that reinforcements are coming, Tosh is the latter and that is why he is a candidate, not because he is an ace defensive coordinator

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calumnus said:

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Given the ESPN reports that he is a leading candidate, I think we should all take a step back and breathe. I know the circumstances under which he left were undesirable. I understand having resentment towards that. I'm here to say that he is a dream candidate and if we land him, we should be ecstatic.

This is a guy who leads a top 10 defensive unit for a national title contender, is from the Saban tree (and was explicitly named as one of the best recruiters in the country & invaluable members of the staff), has recruited top-5 classes, and has sent tons of kids to the NFL.

Addressing concerns:
"Okay so he's a top-flight recruiter, what about his Xs/Os?"
- He has experience under the best of the best coaching trees. Saban is notorious for manufacturing his staff to be killer with game fundamentals and exhaustive scheme knowledge. Tosh has led top defensive units both at Alabama and Oregon.

"What about the lack of HC experience?"
- In this day and age, the HC has effectively become a CEO / managerial role. HCs aren't calling plays (mostly), they're hiring excellent staff and being a frontline recruiter / representative of the program. These are all calling cards for Tosh. You can even argue this is one of Wilcox's biggest weaknesses- he isn't a hair on fire recruiter and managed his staff poorly. Tosh will come with bona-fide recruiting chops + a rolodex of top flight assistants/coordinators who are from the various trees he's worked in (all winners). Wilcox's tree was stale and he consistently towards the end of his tenture seemed to regurgitate his friends. A modernized system will do wonders.

"Okay, but Toshgate was so bad"
- Ask any of the players and they still say they love him. I can't speak to the specifics obviously but seriously: the players don't hold anything against him. Look at twitter, look at their comments. They love Tosh. There was a whole lot that went on, but if we hired Wilcox who absolutely knew about everything that went down, we can get over it and welcome back Tosh. The last thing I'll say on this is the idea of growth: Do you believe someone can grow, learn, and improve over 15 years? Do you believe people are not static? Swallow the bitterness and understand that we are at an existential moment for the program. It is win or be relegated. Getting over hurt feelings from over 15 years ago is necessary. We can overcome.

The truth is, this is the type of candidate who if not for his Cal ties, we could only dream of landing. One of the best recruiters in the nation (yes, he is) who has coached top-5 units, landed top 3 classes, has literally won nearly everywhere he's gone, and is loved by players, the whale donors at Cal, and has west coast ties?

Don't overthink it-- if we get Tosh, we should be celebrating. Bring Tosh Home!

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Dan Lanning is Oregon's head coach. He was the DC on Georgia's National Championship team. It is his defense. Same with Saban at Alabama. Did Tosh even do any hiring? I don't trust hiring OCs from schools with offensive gurus as HCs and I don't trust DCs from schools with defensive gurus as head coaches. I doubt Tosh has the organizational and management experience to be a head coach. If Rivera thinks so, maybe, but it is a huge concern.

If we hire Tosh we need to spend big on a OC and if they turn out to be good, spend even more. In that case, I'd rather Rivera be the head coach as we could lure a good OC to Cal and keep them with the possibility of taking over from Rivera sooner rather than later.

Finally, even if half the fanbase is for him, half the fanbase hates him. It is the main reason I thought we needed to move on from Sonny Dykes, not that he was necessarily a bad football coach, but because half the fanbase absolutely despised him.

We need the next football coach to a guy that the vast majority of fans, players and especially donors can rally around. Tosh ain't it.

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This is such a garbage take, and sadly par for the course from you. Kirby Smart is why UGA had an all time defense, not Dan Lanning. Lanning is not a defensive savant, he is a relationship savant, an elite communicator and motivator.

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No need to insult when you are correcting with more info. You know the Ducks and I defer to your knowledge. So you are endorsing Tosh's defensive acumen?

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Right now we need either an offensive/QB mastermind, or a kickass recruiter that can convince JKS to stick around and that reinforcements are coming, Tosh is the latter and that is why he is a candidate, not because he is an ace defensive coordinator

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You still need someone who can make good hires and manage them and run the organization. The impression I get about Tosh is he is a good individual contributor, the top salesman that every company wants. The question I have is whether he can be the CEO. It is an open question. If he really ran the defensive side of a team, then there is a good chance he can. Moreover,if he can't, then you really need a top OC and a top DC. It is just more money. Maybe with Rivera running the organization and mentoring as GM?

However, I think Rivera would be a great recruiter to Cal and has actual head coach and DC experience and success.

His heart? LOL. If this was a relationship then Tosh is a cheater. Whats the saying - "Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - shame on me." Tosh would take the Cal job and then take another HC job 18 months later, taking all the recruits we paid for with him. His resume says he likes to get out before the bad **** catches up to him. Like the recruiting he did at Cal - a bunch of over rated guys who did not want to do the simplest academic tasks to stay eligible. Tosh had no problem dumping that on JT cause JT said it was Tosh who orchestrated the fake injuries agains UofO. Tosh is not to be trusted and should never have a leadership role. And his secret to recruiting (being a good Xbox player and using audio chat - circumventing NCAA contact rules at the time) is old school now.

This post suggests we dip into the trisomic Oregon coaching gene pool for another "perfect" fit. Tosh gets Cal, loves defense, and bonus, his "preternatural" recruiting skills. Funny how looks NOTHING like the dude we carried around for 9 years, complete opposite in fact. That makes sense to everyone? Feels like another head snapping reaction a la the Dykes whiplash we just suffered through. This strategy makes selection easy! Lol

the comments about Tosh not being desired are unfounded. Several former Furd players mentioned to me on Saturday and today that Tosh has been mentioned in connection with the Furd job. Given Tosh's allegiances, any interest on his part across the Bay likely dies if offered the Cal job.

Why do so many Tosh haters on here consistently fall back on the age-old trope that he can't coach, or that he's not 'an X's and O's guy'? Based on what? How do you know? It's been 15 years since he was DL coach at Cal, and no one here - as far as I know - has been in any meeting rooms with him at UDub, or at Alabama or while he was spending 3 seasons in the NFL as a DL coach in the NFL being further mentored by NFL DCs, or in his DC meeting rooms and practices at Oregon. All you know is that top ranked (nationally) defenses just seemed to follow him around, from UDub to 'Bama, to Oregon, and that you've all (all the Tosh haters) - because of your long-marinated and fermented Tosh hate - just routinely defaulted to leaning on the unfounded and unsupported implication that he wasn't a good coach (even though he coached very good DLs even while a young DL coach at Cal), or that it is madness to to suggest - or to actually 'presume' - that Tosh has in all likelihood grown over these past 15 years, from a butthurt, impulsive young twenty-something, 1st time DL coach into a mature, seasoned, experienced 40-something, high level, high achieving P4 DC, who has been thought of highly enough to have been hired by some of the absolute top HCs in CFB of the last 15 years (Sarkisian, Saban, Lanning), and entrusted by them with coordinating and developing top national defenses at every stop. Top ranked defenses just follow him around, from stop to stop. But that can't be HIM, can it? "It must be somebody else" running the meetings, putting together the defensive practice plans, constructing the defensive game plans, putting all of those defensive players in the NFL. HAS to be. It CAN'T BE "Tosh", can it? Because "I'M" still butthurt. I wonder how many of you were the same 'men' - the same 'professionals' - 16, 17, or 18 years into your careers that you were just 2 or 3 years into your first grown-up job. None, I would wager.

I remember one of the selling points for Tosh was that he was a young guy who could relate to recruits and play video games with them.

Tosh is 44.

He'll be one of the oldest coaches Cal has ever hired.

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I remember one of the selling points for Tosh was that he was a young guy who could relate to recruits and play video games with them.

Tosh is 44.

He'll be one of the oldest coaches Cal has ever hired.

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Watch the video on page 1. The guy has plenty of energy. Most importantly he seems really intense.

Metallica is in their 60s. Intense people don't lose steam in their 40s and 50s.

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I echo your thoughts eastcoastalcal

If Tosh didn't have the baggage he did this board would be clamoring for him given his resume.

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• Alabama (2016)
  Outside linebackers coach
• Alabama (2017)
  Co-defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach
• Alabama (2018)
  Defensive coordinator & outside linebackers coach
• Cleveland Browns (2019)
  Defensive line coach
• Atlanta Falcons (2020)
  Defensive line coach & run game coordinator
• Jacksonville Jaguars (2021)
  Defensive line coach
• Oregon (2022present)
  Defensive coordinator & linebackers coach

-If he was a good DC, he would have been retained at Alabama, not let go after one season. Going from DC at the top program in the NCAA to a DL coach at one of the worst NFL organisations is a step down.

-He couldn't hold on to a DL position coach position in the NFL for more than 1 year, he was let go after every season.

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You're leaving out the details of Tosh's NFL stops.
In all three instances the Head Coaches were all fired after one year. Two (Dan Quinn and Urban Meyer) were fired mid season. So saying "he couldn't hold on to an NFL job for more than a year" is a true, but complete staff turnover happens and assistants have no control over that. It wasn't like he was singled out and the only coach terminated.