I think people should own to opinions so i will say it here..i am tosh skeptical as i would be with any first time hc....a job that comes down to hiring and managing a staff. I hope $$ and the talent that comes offsets and he is able to build a culture of excellence. He could. I just feel that it is a risk with downsides and hope to eat crow if he proves me wrong. It has absolutely nothing to do with toshgate.....and all about the challenges faced by many coordinators making the jump

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I think people should own to opinions so i will say it here..i am tosh skeptical as i would be with any first time hc....a job that comes down to hiring and managing a staff. I hope $$ and the talent that comes offsets and he is able to build a culture of excellence. He could. I just feel that it is a risk with downsides and hope to eat crow if he proves me wrong. It has absolutely nothing to do with toshgate.....and all about the challenges faced by many coordinators making the jump

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So many more variables in the new "unlimited" NIL era that relying solely on past performance is a fools game.

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I think people should own to opinions so i will say it here..i am tosh skeptical as i would be with any first time hc....a job that comes down to hiring and managing a staff. I hope $$ and the talent that comes offsets and he is able to build a culture of excellence. He could. I just feel that it is a risk with downsides and hope to eat crow if he proves me wrong. It has absolutely nothing to do with toshgate.....and all about the challenges faced by many coordinators making the jump

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The next Cal head coach is either going to be a first-time head coach, in which case you don't know whether he will become a good head coach, or a coach with nothing but low-level head coaching experience, in which case you don't know whether he will be able to win big in the ACC and not just in the Big Sky Conference or wherever. Every coach still on the market and a possibility for Cal is a risk in at least one of those ways.

Cal needs a HC with a track record of winning at lower levels as a HC. Someone who knows how to run a successful program. Barring that, Cal needs an OC who is responsible for a successful offense at a P4 program and who has a network and enough humility that will enable him to hire assistant coaches with more experience.

Tosh ain't it.

If Cal hires Tosh, I fully expect to see Cal flounder on the field. Sure, it might be able to attract some top recruits in Year 1, but without anyone to develop them, those recruits are going to portal out in Year 2. Meanwhile, other top recruits will recognize that they won't develop at Cal and they'll also go elsewhere. In short, Cal will be exactly where it was when Wilcox was HC, only now it will have alienated a lot of Cal fans who have not seen any contrition on Tosh's part for his betrayal of Cal, notwithstanding claims (unsupported by any actual evidence) made by his supporters who claim that Tosh has changed.

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Cal needs a HC with a track record of winning at lower levels as a HC.

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That only leaves us with DeSean and we do not have time to go with a safe hire and a 3+ year build, we have a very small window with JKS and going conservative got us stuck with Wilcox and we cannot be complacent anymore

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Cal needs a HC with a track record of winning at lower levels as a HC.

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That only leaves us with DeSean and we do not have time to go with a safe hire and a 3+ year build, we have a very small window with JKS and going conservative got us stuck with Wilcox and we cannot be complacent anymore

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I think Tosh's experience is deeper that DeSean's at this point.

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Cal needs a HC with a track record of winning at lower levels as a HC.

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That only leaves us with DeSean and we do not have time to go with a safe hire and a 3+ year build, we have a very small window with JKS and going conservative got us stuck with Wilcox and we cannot be complacent anymore

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I never said Cal needs to hire an alumnus. Cal can still hire guys like Jason Eck. If anything, Eck is more likely to be successful at his next (P4) HC post than Tosh. Eck has actually headed successful teams. Granted, he's never won any conference championships, but he does seem to know how to turn also ran football programs into winning programs.

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Cal needs a HC with a track record of winning at lower levels as a HC.

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That only leaves us with DeSean and we do not have time to go with a safe hire and a 3+ year build, we have a very small window with JKS and going conservative got us stuck with Wilcox and we cannot be complacent anymore

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I think Tosh's experience is deeper that DeSean's at this point.

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DeSean has actual head coach experience. Tosh does not. Tosh m, at best, has a good amount of second chair experience. But he's never lead an actual program as the first chair.

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Cal needs a HC with a track record of winning at lower levels as a HC.

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That only leaves us with DeSean and we do not have time to go with a safe hire and a 3+ year build, we have a very small window with JKS and going conservative got us stuck with Wilcox and we cannot be complacent anymore

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I think Tosh's experience is deeper that DeSean's at this point.

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DeSean has actual head coach experience. Tosh does not. Tosh m, at best, has a good amount of second chair experience. But he's never lead an actual program as the first chair.

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I see Tosh as technically a lot like Wilcox when we hired him: a defensive guy who has worked for good coaches, his management skills are unknown, but with better recruiting and a more aggressive personality and undoubtedly a better motivator. It would still come down to his staff and especially his OC. The good thing is he is an extrovert and his network is much better than Wilcox's who is an Introvert who prefers to surround himself with his friends from the Pacific Northwest and generally people like himself rather than hiring the best talent available.

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Cal needs a HC with a track record of winning at lower levels as a HC.

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That only leaves us with DeSean and we do not have time to go with a safe hire and a 3+ year build, we have a very small window with JKS and going conservative got us stuck with Wilcox and we cannot be complacent anymore

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I think Tosh's experience is deeper that DeSean's at this point.

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DeSean has actual head coach experience. Tosh does not. Tosh m, at best, has a good amount of second chair experience. But he's never lead an actual program as the first chair.

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Agreed. The good news in either case is a seasoned HC, Ron Rivera, would be the GM and would assist with staff building and would mentor his new protege.

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Cal needs a HC with a track record of winning at lower levels as a HC.

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That only leaves us with DeSean and we do not have time to go with a safe hire and a 3+ year build, we have a very small window with JKS and going conservative got us stuck with Wilcox and we cannot be complacent anymore

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I think Tosh's experience is deeper that DeSean's at this point.

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DeSean has actual head coach experience. Tosh does not. Tosh m, at best, has a good amount of second chair experience. But he's never lead an actual program as the first chair.

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Agreed. The good news in either case is a seasoned HC, Ron Rivera, would be the GM and would assist with staff building and would mentor his new protege.

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I'd want to see Cal make a run at Jason Eck. Ron could also mentor him, if needed.

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Cal needs a HC with a track record of winning at lower levels as a HC.

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That only leaves us with DeSean and we do not have time to go with a safe hire and a 3+ year build, we have a very small window with JKS and going conservative got us stuck with Wilcox and we cannot be complacent anymore

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I think Tosh's experience is deeper that DeSean's at this point.

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DeSean has actual head coach experience. Tosh does not. Tosh m, at best, has a good amount of second chair experience. But he's never lead an actual program as the first chair.

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Agreed. The good news in either case is a seasoned HC, Ron Rivera, would be the GM and would assist with staff building and would mentor his new protege.

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I'd want to see Cal make a run at Jason Eck. Ron could also mentor him, if needed.

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Ron could help Eck with managing the Cal/Berkeley cultural issues that some other coaches have tripped over, but Eck is clearly a competent head coach and would probably want full control of hiring, for example. I'm not even sure he would see Rivera as GM as a positive. It is an open question.

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01Bear said:

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Cal needs a HC with a track record of winning at lower levels as a HC.

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That only leaves us with DeSean and we do not have time to go with a safe hire and a 3+ year build, we have a very small window with JKS and going conservative got us stuck with Wilcox and we cannot be complacent anymore

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I think Tosh's experience is deeper that DeSean's at this point.

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DeSean has actual head coach experience. Tosh does not. Tosh m, at best, has a good amount of second chair experience. But he's never lead an actual program as the first chair.

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Agreed. The good news in either case is a seasoned HC, Ron Rivera, would be the GM and would assist with staff building and would mentor his new protege.

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I'd want to see Cal make a run at Jason Eck. Ron could also mentor him, if needed.

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Ron could help Eck with managing the Cal/Berkeley cultural issues that some other coaches have tripped over, but Eck is clearly a competent head coach and would probably want full control of hiring, for example. I'm not even sure he would see Rivera as GM as a positive. It is an open question.

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That's fair. If Ron can handle the bureaucractic and donor side and leave Jason Eck to manage the coaching, that'd be a good combination.

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01Bear said:

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Cal needs a HC with a track record of winning at lower levels as a HC.

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That only leaves us with DeSean and we do not have time to go with a safe hire and a 3+ year build, we have a very small window with JKS and going conservative got us stuck with Wilcox and we cannot be complacent anymore

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I think Tosh's experience is deeper that DeSean's at this point.

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DeSean has actual head coach experience. Tosh does not. Tosh m, at best, has a good amount of second chair experience. But he's never lead an actual program as the first chair.

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Agreed. The good news in either case is a seasoned HC, Ron Rivera, would be the GM and would assist with staff building and would mentor his new protege.

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I'd want to see Cal make a run at Jason Eck. Ron could also mentor him, if needed.

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Ron could help Eck with managing the Cal/Berkeley cultural issues that some other coaches have tripped over, but Eck is clearly a competent head coach and would probably want full control of hiring, for example. I'm not even sure he would see Rivera as GM as a positive. It is an open question.

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Eck will be the top candidate for Wisconsin in 2026 if Luke Fickell cannot turn it around next year

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Cal needs a HC with a track record of winning at lower levels as a HC.

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That only leaves us with DeSean and we do not have time to go with a safe hire and a 3+ year build, we have a very small window with JKS and going conservative got us stuck with Wilcox and we cannot be complacent anymore

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I think Tosh's experience is deeper that DeSean's at this point.

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DeSean has actual head coach experience. Tosh does not. Tosh m, at best, has a good amount of second chair experience. But he's never lead an actual program as the first chair.

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Agreed. The good news in either case is a seasoned HC, Ron Rivera, would be the GM and would assist with staff building and would mentor his new protege.

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I'd want to see Cal make a run at Jason Eck. Ron could also mentor him, if needed.

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Ron could help Eck with managing the Cal/Berkeley cultural issues that some other coaches have tripped over, but Eck is clearly a competent head coach and would probably want full control of hiring, for example. I'm not even sure he would see Rivera as GM as a positive. It is an open question.

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Eck will be the top candidate for Wisconsin in 2026 if Luke Fickell cannot turn it around next year

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More reason for Cal to make a run at him now. If he can turn Cal around, even if he leaves, Cal would be more attractive to another candidate. If he can't do it this year, Wisky will probably not look at him in 2026, which allows him more time to build up Cal's program.

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Strykur said:

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Cal needs a HC with a track record of winning at lower levels as a HC.

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That only leaves us with DeSean and we do not have time to go with a safe hire and a 3+ year build, we have a very small window with JKS and going conservative got us stuck with Wilcox and we cannot be complacent anymore

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I think Tosh's experience is deeper that DeSean's at this point.

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DeSean has actual head coach experience. Tosh does not. Tosh m, at best, has a good amount of second chair experience. But he's never lead an actual program as the first chair.

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Agreed. The good news in either case is a seasoned HC, Ron Rivera, would be the GM and would assist with staff building and would mentor his new protege.

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I'd want to see Cal make a run at Jason Eck. Ron could also mentor him, if needed.

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Ron could help Eck with managing the Cal/Berkeley cultural issues that some other coaches have tripped over, but Eck is clearly a competent head coach and would probably want full control of hiring, for example. I'm not even sure he would see Rivera as GM as a positive. It is an open question.

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Eck will be the top candidate for Wisconsin in 2026 if Luke Fickell cannot turn it around next year

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So he has a good year at Cal, we let Wisconsin buy out his contact with their huge B1G budget, then hire Tosh or Desean? Wouldn't be the end of the world.

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Strykur said:

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Cal needs a HC with a track record of winning at lower levels as a HC.

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That only leaves us with DeSean and we do not have time to go with a safe hire and a 3+ year build, we have a very small window with JKS and going conservative got us stuck with Wilcox and we cannot be complacent anymore

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I think Tosh's experience is deeper that DeSean's at this point.

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DeSean has actual head coach experience. Tosh does not. Tosh m, at best, has a good amount of second chair experience. But he's never lead an actual program as the first chair.

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Agreed. The good news in either case is a seasoned HC, Ron Rivera, would be the GM and would assist with staff building and would mentor his new protege.

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I'd want to see Cal make a run at Jason Eck. Ron could also mentor him, if needed.

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Ron could help Eck with managing the Cal/Berkeley cultural issues that some other coaches have tripped over, but Eck is clearly a competent head coach and would probably want full control of hiring, for example. I'm not even sure he would see Rivera as GM as a positive. It is an open question.

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Eck will be the top candidate for Wisconsin in 2026 if Luke Fickell cannot turn it around next year

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So he has a good year at Cal, we let Wisconsin buy out his contact with their huge B1G budget, then hire Tosh or Desean? Wouldn't be the end of the world.

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Or someone better than either Tosh or DeSean. Cal doesn't have to hire an alumnus. There are good/great coaches out there who never wore the Blue and Gold. Let's give some of them a shot.

We all have our preferred priorities. For me, a younger, offensive minded head coach would be a priority, but I would also prefer one with at least a couple years of HC experience. And a reputation for good ethics, so I would not consider Tosh if I were RR. Eck is worth consideration, however I would lean a little more to the coach his team beat today, Sean Lewis. I also hope that RR interviews BSU's Spencer Danielson. My wild card would be Jonathan Smith. I always thought that he was a mismatch in East Lansing, and I believe that's been proven. There is a good possibility that he'd like to return to the west coast, and MSU is reportedly, and understandably, not happy with the results. Seems like both parties could benefit from a change of scenery. Similar to Sonny D. That was never gonna work in Berkeley, and after a Cal tenure that I'll charitably characterize as mediocre, now he's in the region where he belongs. His SMU teams were good, and he took TCU to the title game. Those results support that contention. Smith was a dynamic recruiter at UW, as well as an OC whose offenses were outstanding. And then, as a HC, he made OSU relevant almost overnight, which is no easy feat. The collapse of the PAC-12 was the only reason he left, and he dove for the best life raft he could find. It just wasn't the right one. So given that he's a west coast guy with a solid track record in this region, as both a player and coach and not that old, he would be someone I'd want to interview.

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We all have our preferred priorities. For me, a younger, offensive minded head coach would be a priority, but I would also prefer one with at least a couple years of HC experience. And a reputation for good ethics, so I would not consider Tosh if I were RR. Eck is worth consideration, however I would lean a little more to the coach his team beat today, Sean Lewis. I also hope that RR interviews BSU's Spencer Danielson. My wild card would be Jonathan Smith. I always thought that he was a mismatch in East Lansing, and I believe that's been proven. There is a good possibility that he'd like to return to the west coast, and MSU is reportedly, and understandably, not happy with the results. Seems like both parties could benefit from a change of scenery. Similar to Sonny D. That was never gonna work in Berkeley, and after a Cal tenure that I'll charitably characterize as mediocre, now he's in the region where he belongs. His SMU teams were good, and he took TCU to the title game. Those results support that contention. Smith was a dynamic recruiter at UW, as well as an OC whose offenses were outstanding. And then, as a HC, he made OSU relevant almost overnight, which is no easy feat. The collapse of the PAC-12 was the only reason he left, and he dove for the best life raft he could find. It just wasn't the right one. So given that he's a west coast guy with a solid track record in this region, as both a player and coach and not that old, he would be someone I'd want to interview.

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I'd also like a Jonathan Smith hire but not Sean Lewis. Lewis doesn't have the track record of success. He's had one truly successful reason (this year), but the rest of his record as a HC is Wilcoxesque.

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Cal needs a HC with a track record of winning at lower levels as a HC.

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That only leaves us with DeSean and we do not have time to go with a safe hire and a 3+ year build, we have a very small window with JKS and going conservative got us stuck with Wilcox and we cannot be complacent anymore

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Dude. If you think Desean is lower risk than Tosh as a
HC hire, I will not have what you are smoking.

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Cal needs a HC with a track record of winning at lower levels as a HC. Someone who knows how to run a successful program. Barring that, Cal needs an OC who is responsible for a successful offense at a P4 program and who has a network and enough humility that will enable him to hire assistant coaches with more experience.

Tosh ain't it.

If Cal hires Tosh, I fully expect to see Cal flounder on the field. Sure, it might be able to attract some top recruits in Year 1, but without anyone to develop them, those recruits are going to portal out in Year 2. Meanwhile, other top recruits will recognize that they won't develop at Cal and they'll also go elsewhere. In short, Cal will be exactly where it was when Wilcox was HC, only now it will have alienated a lot of Cal fans who have not seen any contrition on Tosh's part for his betrayal of Cal, notwithstanding claims (unsupported by any actual evidence) made by his supporters who claim that Tosh has changed.

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We want a good recruiter who is also proven as a HC. But we are not getting a candidate who can do both. Those guys are interviewing for LSU and Florida as we speak.

So in your strategy, we are praying that this lower level HC's schemes can translate and we are praying that they can bring recruits with them in year 2 or year 3. 2 risk factors.

Or we go the Tosh route and we hire someone who can for sure bring the recruits. And we are praying that we hire a good OC that can run the offense. Except that this 2nd part is easier to evaluate because we can either steal a good OC laterally or hire a retread that fails as a HC but is a really good OC. 1 risk factor and somewhat mitigated IMO

Unless you have a candidate in mind that is already a proven recruiter and a proven HC?

socaltownie said:

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I think people should own to opinions so i will say it here..i am tosh skeptical as i would be with any first time hc....a job that comes down to hiring and managing a staff. I hope $$ and the talent that comes offsets and he is able to build a culture of excellence. He could. I just feel that it is a risk with downsides and hope to eat crow if he proves me wrong. It has absolutely nothing to do with toshgate.....and all about the challenges faced by many coordinators making the jump

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To me it has everything to do with Toshgate. No evidence of any acknowledgment that stabbing his employer and Alma mater in the back was wrong. Would he be a great coach? Maybe. I have no idea. But if he's hired I think all my donations (four figures, not eight sorry to say) will be going to basketball not football. I hasten to add that I can be convinced otherwise if he were to own up to what he did and if folks such as Tedford were to vouch for his sincerity. But that's not going to happen.

Sorry to voice my opinion on this again, but the building, incessant Tosh drumbeat that I'm hearing is really getting me down.

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socaltownie said:

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I think people should own to opinions so i will say it here..i am tosh skeptical as i would be with any first time hc....a job that comes down to hiring and managing a staff. I hope $$ and the talent that comes offsets and he is able to build a culture of excellence. He could. I just feel that it is a risk with downsides and hope to eat crow if he proves me wrong. It has absolutely nothing to do with toshgate.....and all about the challenges faced by many coordinators making the jump

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To me it has everything to do with Toshgate. No evidence of any acknowledgment that stabbing his employer and Alma mater in the back was wrong. Would he be a great coach? Maybe. I have no idea. But if he's hired I think all my donations (four figures, not eight sorry to say) will be going to basketball not football. I hasten to add that I can be convinced otherwise if he were to own up to what he did and if folks such as Tedford were to vouch for his sincerity. But that's not going to happen.

Sorry to voice my opinion on this again, but the building, incessant Tosh drumbeat that I'm hearing is really getting me down.

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curious. if he lands a top 10 portal class in Jan and then go 5-0 with a win over UCLA and BYU will that change? or its like a never Tosh because of his character issue

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socaltownie said:

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I think people should own to opinions so i will say it here..i am tosh skeptical as i would be with any first time hc....a job that comes down to hiring and managing a staff. I hope $$ and the talent that comes offsets and he is able to build a culture of excellence. He could. I just feel that it is a risk with downsides and hope to eat crow if he proves me wrong. It has absolutely nothing to do with toshgate.....and all about the challenges faced by many coordinators making the jump

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To me it has everything to do with Toshgate. No evidence of any acknowledgment that stabbing his employer and Alma mater in the back was wrong. Would he be a great coach? Maybe. I have no idea. But if he's hired I think all my donations (four figures, not eight sorry to say) will be going to basketball not football. I hasten to add that I can be convinced otherwise if he were to own up to what he did and if folks such as Tedford were to vouch for his sincerity. But that's not going to happen.

Sorry to voice my opinion on this again, but the building, incessant Tosh drumbeat that I'm hearing is really getting me down.

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He flipped a recruit (not a program changing player) once about 15 years ago. You, as a fan and alum, have held a white hot burning grudge for 15 years over that? And you think that is disqualifying unless he grovels and begs for your forgiveness for this 15 year old incident?

C'mon.

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I think people should own to opinions so i will say it here..i am tosh skeptical as i would be with any first time hc....a job that comes down to hiring and managing a staff. I hope $$ and the talent that comes offsets and he is able to build a culture of excellence. He could. I just feel that it is a risk with downsides and hope to eat crow if he proves me wrong. It has absolutely nothing to do with toshgate.....and all about the challenges faced by many coordinators making the jump

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To me it has everything to do with Toshgate. No evidence of any acknowledgment that stabbing his employer and Alma mater in the back was wrong. Would he be a great coach? Maybe. I have no idea. But if he's hired I think all my donations (four figures, not eight sorry to say) will be going to basketball not football. I hasten to add that I can be convinced otherwise if he were to own up to what he did and if folks such as Tedford were to vouch for his sincerity. But that's not going to happen.

Sorry to voice my opinion on this again, but the building, incessant Tosh drumbeat that I'm hearing is really getting me down.

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What an absolute loser mentality. Send your donations to hoops. Good riddance.

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Cal needs a HC with a track record of winning at lower levels as a HC. Someone who knows how to run a successful program. Barring that, Cal needs an OC who is responsible for a successful offense at a P4 program and who has a network and enough humility that will enable him to hire assistant coaches with more experience.

Tosh ain't it.

If Cal hires Tosh, I fully expect to see Cal flounder on the field. Sure, it might be able to attract some top recruits in Year 1, but without anyone to develop them, those recruits are going to portal out in Year 2. Meanwhile, other top recruits will recognize that they won't develop at Cal and they'll also go elsewhere. In short, Cal will be exactly where it was when Wilcox was HC, only now it will have alienated a lot of Cal fans who have not seen any contrition on Tosh's part for his betrayal of Cal, notwithstanding claims (unsupported by any actual evidence) made by his supporters who claim that Tosh has changed.

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We want a good recruiter who is also proven as a HC. But we are not getting a candidate who can do both. Those guys are interviewing for LSU and Florida as we speak.

So in your strategy, we are praying that this lower level HC's schemes can translate and we are praying that they can bring recruits with them in year 2 or year 3. 2 risk factors.

Or we go the Tosh route and we hire someone who can for sure bring the recruits. And we are praying that we hire a good OC that can run the offense. Except that this 2nd part is easier to evaluate because we can either steal a good OC laterally or hire a retread that fails as a HC but is a really good OC. 1 risk factor and somewhat mitigated IMO

Unless you have a candidate in mind that is already a proven recruiter and a proven HC?

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If this weren't the era of NIL, I'd agree that Cal needs a coach who can recruit and scheme, but we're now in the NIL era; money will speak louder than playing XBox games. I do agree with you that scheming is highly important, but so is developing players' skills. Players have to feel they're making progress and developing their abilities, or else they'll leave for another school that will (see, Fernando Mendoza). I'm unconvinced Tosh is skilled at either scheming or player development. I've yet to see Tosh serve as a DC for an offensive minded coach and be (entirely?) responsible for the defense.

Take out the name and Cal degree (and betrayal). Would you want Cal to hire someone with a resume where he hasn't proven to be responsible for one side of the ball, let alone the entire program? That's why Tosh ain't it.

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I think people should own to opinions so i will say it here..i am tosh skeptical as i would be with any first time hc....a job that comes down to hiring and managing a staff. I hope $$ and the talent that comes offsets and he is able to build a culture of excellence. He could. I just feel that it is a risk with downsides and hope to eat crow if he proves me wrong. It has absolutely nothing to do with toshgate.....and all about the challenges faced by many coordinators making the jump

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To me it has everything to do with Toshgate. No evidence of any acknowledgment that stabbing his employer and Alma mater in the back was wrong. Would he be a great coach? Maybe. I have no idea. But if he's hired I think all my donations (four figures, not eight sorry to say) will be going to basketball not football. I hasten to add that I can be convinced otherwise if he were to own up to what he did and if folks such as Tedford were to vouch for his sincerity. But that's not going to happen.

Sorry to voice my opinion on this again, but the building, incessant Tosh drumbeat that I'm hearing is really getting me down.

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What an absolute loser mentality. Send your donations to hoops. Good riddance.

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It's my recollection that he convinced a number of top recruits that Cal was a terrible place and that they should go elsewhere. Shaq Thompson, Syd Quan's brother to Washington , Arik Armstead to Oregon. Someone with a better memory than me can remind me who else. At least that was the reporting at the time. We were all shocked and outraged. And our program started downhill. And no, he doesn't have to grovel. At least just acknowledge that he acted impetuously and should not have done that. Is that really too much to ask? A lot of time has passed, and I'm willing to believe he's really a good person. He betrayed us. Please make amends, and I'm on board. I truly want to be.

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socaltownie said:

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I think people should own to opinions so i will say it here..i am tosh skeptical as i would be with any first time hc....a job that comes down to hiring and managing a staff. I hope $$ and the talent that comes offsets and he is able to build a culture of excellence. He could. I just feel that it is a risk with downsides and hope to eat crow if he proves me wrong. It has absolutely nothing to do with toshgate.....and all about the challenges faced by many coordinators making the jump

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To me it has everything to do with Toshgate. No evidence of any acknowledgment that stabbing his employer and Alma mater in the back was wrong. Would he be a great coach? Maybe. I have no idea. But if he's hired I think all my donations (four figures, not eight sorry to say) will be going to basketball not football. I hasten to add that I can be convinced otherwise if he were to own up to what he did and if folks such as Tedford were to vouch for his sincerity. But that's not going to happen.

Sorry to voice my opinion on this again, but the building, incessant Tosh drumbeat that I'm hearing is really getting me down.

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What an absolute loser mentality. Send your donations to hoops. Good riddance.

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There's no reason to insult me because we disagree. I've been a Cal fan for 63 years. I deserve a modicum of respect.

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JimSox said:

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socaltownie said:

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I think people should own to opinions so i will say it here..i am tosh skeptical as i would be with any first time hc....a job that comes down to hiring and managing a staff. I hope $$ and the talent that comes offsets and he is able to build a culture of excellence. He could. I just feel that it is a risk with downsides and hope to eat crow if he proves me wrong. It has absolutely nothing to do with toshgate.....and all about the challenges faced by many coordinators making the jump

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To me it has everything to do with Toshgate. No evidence of any acknowledgment that stabbing his employer and Alma mater in the back was wrong. Would he be a great coach? Maybe. I have no idea. But if he's hired I think all my donations (four figures, not eight sorry to say) will be going to basketball not football. I hasten to add that I can be convinced otherwise if he were to own up to what he did and if folks such as Tedford were to vouch for his sincerity. But that's not going to happen.

Sorry to voice my opinion on this again, but the building, incessant Tosh drumbeat that I'm hearing is really getting me down.

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What an absolute loser mentality. Send your donations to hoops. Good riddance.

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There's no reason to insult me because we disagree. I've been a Cal fan for 63 years. I deserve a modicum of respect.

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63 years and you haven't leaned to separate your fragile ego from a fairly objective analysis of the state of the program. Tosh is a risk hire. And I was as mad as anyone when he left the program. That was a brutal couple of months, emotionally. I trust our stakeholders and insiders and donors. I trust Ron. This is a watershed moment. If your anger and rage are too much that you can't see that … well. That's your issue. I understand your anger. I had it. 15 years ago.

CarmelBear said:

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JimSox said:

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CarmelBear said:

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JimSox said:

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socaltownie said:

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I think people should own to opinions so i will say it here..i am tosh skeptical as i would be with any first time hc....a job that comes down to hiring and managing a staff. I hope $$ and the talent that comes offsets and he is able to build a culture of excellence. He could. I just feel that it is a risk with downsides and hope to eat crow if he proves me wrong. It has absolutely nothing to do with toshgate.....and all about the challenges faced by many coordinators making the jump

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To me it has everything to do with Toshgate. No evidence of any acknowledgment that stabbing his employer and Alma mater in the back was wrong. Would he be a great coach? Maybe. I have no idea. But if he's hired I think all my donations (four figures, not eight sorry to say) will be going to basketball not football. I hasten to add that I can be convinced otherwise if he were to own up to what he did and if folks such as Tedford were to vouch for his sincerity. But that's not going to happen.

Sorry to voice my opinion on this again, but the building, incessant Tosh drumbeat that I'm hearing is really getting me down.

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What an absolute loser mentality. Send your donations to hoops. Good riddance.

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There's no reason to insult me because we disagree. I've been a Cal fan for 63 years. I deserve a modicum of respect.

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63 years and you haven't leaned to separate your fragile ego from a fairly objective analysis of the state of the program. Tosh is a risk hire. And I was as mad as anyone when he left the program. That was a brutal couple of months, emotionally. I trust our stakeholders and insiders and donors. I trust Ron. This is a watershed moment. If your anger and rage are too much that you can't see that … well. That's your issue. I understand your anger. I had it. 15 years ago.

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My ego is fine. Go Bears!

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CarmelBear said:

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JimSox said:

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CarmelBear said:

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JimSox said:

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socaltownie said:

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I think people should own to opinions so i will say it here..i am tosh skeptical as i would be with any first time hc....a job that comes down to hiring and managing a staff. I hope $$ and the talent that comes offsets and he is able to build a culture of excellence. He could. I just feel that it is a risk with downsides and hope to eat crow if he proves me wrong. It has absolutely nothing to do with toshgate.....and all about the challenges faced by many coordinators making the jump

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To me it has everything to do with Toshgate. No evidence of any acknowledgment that stabbing his employer and Alma mater in the back was wrong. Would he be a great coach? Maybe. I have no idea. But if he's hired I think all my donations (four figures, not eight sorry to say) will be going to basketball not football. I hasten to add that I can be convinced otherwise if he were to own up to what he did and if folks such as Tedford were to vouch for his sincerity. But that's not going to happen.

Sorry to voice my opinion on this again, but the building, incessant Tosh drumbeat that I'm hearing is really getting me down.

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What an absolute loser mentality. Send your donations to hoops. Good riddance.

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There's no reason to insult me because we disagree. I've been a Cal fan for 63 years. I deserve a modicum of respect.

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63 years and you haven't leaned to separate your fragile ego from a fairly objective analysis of the state of the program. Tosh is a risk hire. And I was as mad as anyone when he left the program. That was a brutal couple of months, emotionally. I trust our stakeholders and insiders and donors. I trust Ron. This is a watershed moment. If your anger and rage are too much that you can't see that … well. That's your issue. I understand your anger. I had it. 15 years ago.

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My ego is fine. Go Bears!

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Just breathe deep and wish for the best. This is a hail
Mary. It may even work.

socaltownie said:

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I think people should own to opinions so i will say it here..i am tosh skeptical as i would be with any first time hc....a job that comes down to hiring and managing a staff. I hope $$ and the talent that comes offsets and he is able to build a culture of excellence. He could. I just feel that it is a risk with downsides and hope to eat crow if he proves me wrong. It has absolutely nothing to do with toshgate.....and all about the challenges faced by many coordinators making the jump

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Completely agree with your take. Tosh should be a candidate but he's not a slam dunk (not that anybody else is either). I would feel a lot better if it didn't look like he was forced out at Bama and if he was DC right now for an offensive head coach so that there would be no questions that it was completely his defense at Oregon.

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Cal needs a HC with a track record of winning at lower levels as a HC.

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That only leaves us with DeSean and we do not have time to go with a safe hire and a 3+ year build, we have a very small window with JKS and going conservative got us stuck with Wilcox and we cannot be complacent anymore

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I think Tosh's experience is deeper that DeSean's at this point.

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Djax has been in the NFL for 16 seasons, on 7 different teams. That is a whole lot of exposure to many playbooks, deep insights into how programs are run at the top level, what works and what doesn't work week in week out against top defenses and personnel in the 250+ NFL games he has been a part of. In that way, he would be more experienced than the rest of the field.

His experience as a head coach also exceeds that of Tosh.

I certainly hope that's the case.