Zooming out and looking at this holistically through a broader lens (both in terms of time going back 3 years and geography)…
I have full confidence that we have serious serious serious financial backing lurking in the shadows to not only afford us the ability to pay someone like Tosh 8 mil a year but also to field a roster comparable to anyone…
Between the UCI big ten stuff, Learfield, troutman, etc. there is something much larger than what I think most of us are aware of afoot here and I think it bodes well for us going forward because someone / something has shown serious interest in elevating this program.
Clearly Greg and Kevin and John likely know what / who that is and I would be remiss not to acknowledge the financial and logistical contributions each of them make to the cause which make an average Joe like me look like an impoverished ragamuffin…but I strongly suspect that whoever is lurking in the shadows is a much heavier hitter (financially) and is about to make their presence felt in a big big way…
You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster…
And you don't achieve that without the type of people who will cut a NON TAX DEDUCTABLE million dollar check at the drop of a dime during a spear of the moment walk a thon jog style pledge drive.
Is it 2 or more of them? Likely
And while I dont like the idea of not knowing who they are…the knowledge that they exist gives me solace.

Just my gut feeling but I feel like we're all about to be rewarded for the last decade plus of pain.

Have you ever heard the phrase too little too late?

Also these mysterious billionaire donors that will step out of the shadows and say let me help now we're never interested in sports and when they were at Berkeley. I think it's been discussed ad nauseam about the Levi's guy and he's not interested.

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Have you ever heard the phrase too little too late?

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From where I sit on earth we have raised in the top 10 percent of FBS in the NIL era while using a collective that followed the law and didn't try to operate with 501 status

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Also these mysterious billionaire donors that will step out of the shadows and say let me help now

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NIL has only been a thing for less than 5 years and they did step out of the shadows in numbers and are the reason Ron is here and Wilmoe is gone which only prove my point further

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usually just Asians and we're never interested in sports and when they were at Berkeley

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So guys like Kevin Zhou and Arnold Hur (Asians) were just not caring about football when they paid to put names like Kabam at CMS

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I think it's been discussed ad nauseam about the Levi's guy and he's not interested.

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You're referring to the Haas' and the Goldmans and Seikes who are not anonymous donors. I'm referring to one of the other 2000 plus high net worth (greater than 40million) living alumni who were clearly instrumental in the ultimatum to help us get Ron in and Wilmoe out and who also have the financial status to just donate a cool million at the drop of a hat with no tax benefit to them whatsoever.
I'm sorry but I think you're wrong and the coming week should prove that.

If we plan to spend $8 million a year on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea are going have to continue to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't right in that story.

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

What if we go 4 years at $20 million and make Tosh pay for his own parking space at CMS?

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What if we go 4 years at $20 million and make Tosh pay for his own parking space at CMS?

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Free Peet's Coffee for life, until fired or resigns, anyway?

10% off docking fees at RYC?

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What if we go 4 years at $20 million and make Tosh pay for his own parking space at CMS?

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Free Peet's Coffee for life, until fired or resigns, anyway?

10% off docking fees at RYC?

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Bonus if Cal ends up playing TCU in a bowl game and wins.

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Have you ever heard the phrase too little too late?

Also these mysterious billionaire donors that will step out of the shadows and say let me help now are usually just Asians and we're never interested in sports and when they were at Berkeley. I think it's been discussed ad nauseam about the Levi's guy and he's not interested.

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Holy racism, Batman! What the heck does a donor's race or ethnicity have to do with his support for his alma mater?

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Zooming out and looking at this holistically through a broader lens (both in terms of time going back 3 years and geography)…
I have full confidence that we have serious serious serious financial backing lurking in the shadows to not only afford us the ability to pay someone like Tosh 8 mil a year but also to field a roster comparable to anyone…
Between the UCI big ten stuff, Learfield, troutman, etc. there is something much larger than what I think most of us are aware of afoot here and I think it bodes well for us going forward because someone / something has shown serious interest in elevating this program.
Clearly Greg and Kevin and John likely know what / who that is and I would be remiss not to acknowledge the financial and logistical contributions each of them make to the cause which make an average Joe like me look like an impoverished ragamuffin…but I strongly suspect that whoever is lurking in the shadows is a much heavier hitter (financially) and is about to make their presence felt in a big big way…
You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster…
And you don't achieve that without the type of people who will cut a NON TAX DEDUCTABLE million dollar check at the drop of a dime during a spear of the moment walk a thon jog style pledge drive.
Is it 2 or more of them? Likely
And while I dont like the idea of not knowing who they are…the knowledge that they exist gives me solace.

Just my gut feeling but I feel like we're all about to be rewarded for the last decade plus of pain.

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This is the Hail Mary hire. We are out of time. People can ***** and moan about risk and buy outs. But this is it. If Tosh doesn't pan out, we go the way of San Jose State. There a high net worth donors ready to invest and who understand risk. Let's roll the dice.

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

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Laughable. Wilcox was making $5,000,000. And beyond that, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about suggesting a 3 year contract.

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

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Laughable. Wilcox was making $5,000,000. And beyond that, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about suggesting a 3 year contract.

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Yeah, but Wilcox was overpaid.

How much is Oregon State paying Jamarcus Sheppard?

Tosh makes $1.9 million now. Obviously he would get a 4 year contract minimum, but whether you offer him 2X, 3X, 4X his current salary or even more as suggested should be seriously considered.

If I am Rivera when I am interviewing the candidates I bring up the budget problem, head coach salary vs NIL and ask their thoughts about accepting less salary in order to put more into NIL. I think the answers would be very informative.

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

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Laughable. Wilcox was making $5,000,000. And beyond that, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about suggesting a 3 year contract.

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Yeah, but Wilcox was overpaid.

How much is Oregon State paying Jamarcus Sheppard?

Tosh makes $1.9 million now. Obviously he would get a 4 year contract minimum, but whether you offer him 2X, 3X, 4X his current salary or even more as suggested should be seriously considered.

If I am Rivera when I am interviewing the candidates I bring up the budget problem, head coach salary vs NIL and ask their thoughts about accepting less salary in order to put more into NIL. I think the answers would be very informative.

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I don't know but it's a 5 year deal. Suggesting 3 years indicates one has zero idea how this works. NOBODY is taking a 3 year contract, it's a slap in the face. I guarantee you there's nobody at CAL even thinking of offering that to any candidate. And look at where the market is trending. Missouri just re-upped 1 conference game over .500 Eli for 11m/yr. CAL retired Knowlton, has a new chancellor, hired Ron Rivera as one of the highest paid front office(let's face it that's what it is these days) guys in the country, fired Wilcox and will pay his buyout, but are going to skimp on the next HC contract? nah. In order to be serious, you have to act serious(ly).

edit: Offering even a 4 year deal is unserious. It's going to be something like 5 35 30(edit 2 typo) or 6 36.

edit 3. Here's Coach Lupoi's current contract. https://publicrecords.uoregon.edu/sites/default/files/2025-08/lupoi-tosh-2025-28.pdf

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calumnus said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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TonyTiger said:

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calumnus said:

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

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Laughable. Wilcox was making $5,000,000. And beyond that, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about suggesting a 3 year contract.

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Yeah, but Wilcox was overpaid.

How much is Oregon State paying Jamarcus Sheppard?

Tosh makes $1.9 million now. Obviously he would get a 4 year contract minimum, but whether you offer him 2X, 3X, 4X his current salary or even more as suggested should be seriously considered.

If I am Rivera when I am interviewing the candidates I bring up the budget problem, head coach salary vs NIL and ask their thoughts about accepting less salary in order to put more into NIL. I think the answers would be very informative.

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I don't know but it's a 5 year deal. Suggesting 3 years indicates one has zero idea how this works. NOBODY is taking a 3 year contract, it's a slap in the face. I guarantee you there's nobody at CAL even thinking of offering that to any candidate. And look at where the market is trending. Missouri just re-upped 1 conference game over .500 Eli for 11m/yr. CAL retired Knowlton, has a new chancellor, hired Ron Rivera as one of the highest paid front office(let's face it that's what it is these days) guys in the country, fired Wilcox and will pay his buyout, but are going to skimp on the next HC contract? nah. In order to be serious, you have to act serious(ly).

Offering even a 4 year deal is unserious. It's going to be something like 5 35 or 6 36.

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Yeah, but if Tosh would come for $4 million and you instead pay him $8 million because you need to be perceived by others as "serious" and as a result have $4 million less in NIL to spend, that would be pretty foolish.

Tosh is not going to be a better coach making $8 million vs "only" $4 million. If you are serious and want to hire a proven P4 coach you have to spend $8 million, sure. However, overpaying for a first time head coach does not make you serious, but it would be typical,

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calumnus said:

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

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Laughable. Wilcox was making $5,000,000. And beyond that, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about suggesting a 3 year contract.

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Yeah, but Wilcox was overpaid.

How much is Oregon State paying Jamarcus Sheppard?

Tosh makes $1.9 million now. Obviously he would get a 4 year contract minimum, but whether you offer him 2X, 3X, 4X his current salary or even more as suggested should be seriously considered.

If I am Rivera when I am interviewing the candidates I bring up the budget problem, head coach salary vs NIL and ask their thoughts about accepting less salary in order to put more into NIL. I think the answers would be very informative.

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I don't know but it's a 5 year deal. Suggesting 3 years indicates one has zero idea how this works. NOBODY is taking a 3 year contract, it's a slap in the face. I guarantee you there's nobody at CAL even thinking of offering that to any candidate. And look at where the market is trending. Missouri just re-upped 1 conference game over .500 Eli for 11m/yr. CAL retired Knowlton, has a new chancellor, hired Ron Rivera as one of the highest paid front office(let's face it that's what it is these days) guys in the country, fired Wilcox and will pay his buyout, but are going to skimp on the next HC contract? nah. In order to be serious, you have to act serious(ly).

Offering even a 4 year deal is unserious. It's going to be something like 5 35 or 6 36.

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However, overpaying for a first time head coach does not make you serious, but it would be typical,

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It can be both. And who is to say it would be overpaying? You're hiring him, so obviously the powers that be think he's better than the last guy who made 5m per. Imagine being an agent and CAL has just fired a guy making 5 and you want to offer 4. CAL does not have leverage. Tosh can go back to Oregon for another year, make his 2m and go to Washington or Wisconsin next year for double what CAL offered.

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calumnus said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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calumnus said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

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Laughable. Wilcox was making $5,000,000. And beyond that, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about suggesting a 3 year contract.

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Yeah, but Wilcox was overpaid.

How much is Oregon State paying Jamarcus Sheppard?

Tosh makes $1.9 million now. Obviously he would get a 4 year contract minimum, but whether you offer him 2X, 3X, 4X his current salary or even more as suggested should be seriously considered.

If I am Rivera when I am interviewing the candidates I bring up the budget problem, head coach salary vs NIL and ask their thoughts about accepting less salary in order to put more into NIL. I think the answers would be very informative.

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I don't know but it's a 5 year deal. Suggesting 3 years indicates one has zero idea how this works. NOBODY is taking a 3 year contract, it's a slap in the face. I guarantee you there's nobody at CAL even thinking of offering that to any candidate. And look at where the market is trending. Missouri just re-upped 1 conference game over .500 Eli for 11m/yr. CAL retired Knowlton, has a new chancellor, hired Ron Rivera as one of the highest paid front office(let's face it that's what it is these days) guys in the country, fired Wilcox and will pay his buyout, but are going to skimp on the next HC contract? nah. In order to be serious, you have to act serious(ly).

Offering even a 4 year deal is unserious. It's going to be something like 5 35 or 6 36.

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However, overpaying for a first time head coach does not make you serious, but it would be typical,

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It can be both. And who is to say it would be overpaying? You're hiring him, so obviously the powers that be think he's better than the last guy who made 5m per. Imagine being an agent and CAL has just fired a guy making 5 and you want to offer 4. CAL does not have leverage. Tosh can go back to Oregon for another year, make his 2m and go to Washington or Wisconsin next year for double what CAL offered.

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Fisch makes $7.8 million at UW because they hired him away from Arizona, another P4 school after he was already established as a successful P4 coach.

The reason you hire unproven, first time coaches or coaches from lower levels is because you cannot afford to pay the big money to hire away proven P4 head coaches. It is foolish to think you have to pay an unproven coach what you would have to pay a proven coach already making a mid P4 salary.

Yes, if Cal offers $4 million and Tosh wants to see if he can get a job at UW or Wisky a year from now, he might turn it down. He might counter offer. Or he might take the Cal job and then jump to the better paying B1G job when it opens up and he has HC experience.

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calumnus said:

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

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Laughable. Wilcox was making $5,000,000. And beyond that, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about suggesting a 3 year contract.

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Yeah, but Wilcox was overpaid.

How much is Oregon State paying Jamarcus Sheppard?

Tosh makes $1.9 million now. Obviously he would get a 4 year contract minimum, but whether you offer him 2X, 3X, 4X his current salary or even more as suggested should be seriously considered.

If I am Rivera when I am interviewing the candidates I bring up the budget problem, head coach salary vs NIL and ask their thoughts about accepting less salary in order to put more into NIL. I think the answers would be very informative.

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I don't know but it's a 5 year deal. Suggesting 3 years indicates one has zero idea how this works. NOBODY is taking a 3 year contract, it's a slap in the face. I guarantee you there's nobody at CAL even thinking of offering that to any candidate. And look at where the market is trending. Missouri just re-upped 1 conference game over .500 Eli for 11m/yr. CAL retired Knowlton, has a new chancellor, hired Ron Rivera as one of the highest paid front office(let's face it that's what it is these days) guys in the country, fired Wilcox and will pay his buyout, but are going to skimp on the next HC contract? nah. In order to be serious, you have to act serious(ly).

Offering even a 4 year deal is unserious. It's going to be something like 5 35 or 6 36.

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However, overpaying for a first time head coach does not make you serious, but it would be typical,

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It can be both. And who is to say it would be overpaying? You're hiring him, so obviously the powers that be think he's better than the last guy who made 5m per. Imagine being an agent and CAL has just fired a guy making 5 and you want to offer 4. CAL does not have leverage. Tosh can go back to Oregon for another year, make his 2m and go to Washington or Wisconsin next year for double what CAL offered.

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I believe you are correct. There have, over the years, been some crazy notions proposed here:

- offer him three years
- double his current salary; who wouldn't take that?
- offer an incentive-laden contract... one million for showing up, but up to 10 million for a natty! (isn't he confident?)

There is a "market rate" for coaches and they -- along with their agents -- all know what it is. Less is a slap in the face.

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calumnus said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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calumnus said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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TonyTiger said:

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

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Laughable. Wilcox was making $5,000,000. And beyond that, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about suggesting a 3 year contract.

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Yeah, but Wilcox was overpaid.

How much is Oregon State paying Jamarcus Sheppard?

Tosh makes $1.9 million now. Obviously he would get a 4 year contract minimum, but whether you offer him 2X, 3X, 4X his current salary or even more as suggested should be seriously considered.

If I am Rivera when I am interviewing the candidates I bring up the budget problem, head coach salary vs NIL and ask their thoughts about accepting less salary in order to put more into NIL. I think the answers would be very informative.

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I don't know but it's a 5 year deal. Suggesting 3 years indicates one has zero idea how this works. NOBODY is taking a 3 year contract, it's a slap in the face. I guarantee you there's nobody at CAL even thinking of offering that to any candidate. And look at where the market is trending. Missouri just re-upped 1 conference game over .500 Eli for 11m/yr. CAL retired Knowlton, has a new chancellor, hired Ron Rivera as one of the highest paid front office(let's face it that's what it is these days) guys in the country, fired Wilcox and will pay his buyout, but are going to skimp on the next HC contract? nah. In order to be serious, you have to act serious(ly).

Offering even a 4 year deal is unserious. It's going to be something like 5 35 or 6 36.

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However, overpaying for a first time head coach does not make you serious, but it would be typical,

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It can be both. And who is to say it would be overpaying? You're hiring him, so obviously the powers that be think he's better than the last guy who made 5m per. Imagine being an agent and CAL has just fired a guy making 5 and you want to offer 4. CAL does not have leverage. Tosh can go back to Oregon for another year, make his 2m and go to Washington or Wisconsin next year for double what CAL offered.

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I believe you are correct. There have, over the years, been some crazy notions proposed here:

- offer him three years
- double his current salary; who wouldn't take that?
- offer an incentive-laden contract... one million for showing up, but up to 10 million for a natty! (isn't he confident?)

There is a "market rate" for coaches and they -- along with their agents -- all know what it is. Less is a slap in the face.

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Eck makes $1.1 million as a head coach at New Mexico. Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State. It is all relative. There is no single "market rate" for head coaches. Schools that have big media earnings can afford to pay top dollar and get proven successful P4 coaches.

Schools that can't afford that have to gamble on first time coaches or coaches from a lower level. If you are willing to pay top market rates you should go after a proven successful P4 head coach. If Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State and his agent walks away from a $2 million offer at Cal he should be fired. Cal paying him $8 million would be insane.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. What it takes to get him to take the Cal job is negotiable and would depend on what his other potential offers are, but just paying him $8 million because "that's what other P4 head coaches get paid" would be foolish if he would come for less and we could direct more money to NIL.

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calumnus said:

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calumnus said:

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

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Laughable. Wilcox was making $5,000,000. And beyond that, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about suggesting a 3 year contract.

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Yeah, but Wilcox was overpaid.

How much is Oregon State paying Jamarcus Sheppard?

Tosh makes $1.9 million now. Obviously he would get a 4 year contract minimum, but whether you offer him 2X, 3X, 4X his current salary or even more as suggested should be seriously considered.

If I am Rivera when I am interviewing the candidates I bring up the budget problem, head coach salary vs NIL and ask their thoughts about accepting less salary in order to put more into NIL. I think the answers would be very informative.

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I don't know but it's a 5 year deal. Suggesting 3 years indicates one has zero idea how this works. NOBODY is taking a 3 year contract, it's a slap in the face. I guarantee you there's nobody at CAL even thinking of offering that to any candidate. And look at where the market is trending. Missouri just re-upped 1 conference game over .500 Eli for 11m/yr. CAL retired Knowlton, has a new chancellor, hired Ron Rivera as one of the highest paid front office(let's face it that's what it is these days) guys in the country, fired Wilcox and will pay his buyout, but are going to skimp on the next HC contract? nah. In order to be serious, you have to act serious(ly).

Offering even a 4 year deal is unserious. It's going to be something like 5 35 or 6 36.

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However, overpaying for a first time head coach does not make you serious, but it would be typical,

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It can be both. And who is to say it would be overpaying? You're hiring him, so obviously the powers that be think he's better than the last guy who made 5m per. Imagine being an agent and CAL has just fired a guy making 5 and you want to offer 4. CAL does not have leverage. Tosh can go back to Oregon for another year, make his 2m and go to Washington or Wisconsin next year for double what CAL offered.

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I believe you are correct. There have, over the years, been some crazy notions proposed here:

- offer him three years
- double his current salary; who wouldn't take that?
- offer an incentive-laden contract... one million for showing up, but up to 10 million for a natty! (isn't he confident?)

There is a "market rate" for coaches and they -- along with their agents -- all know what it is. Less is a slap in the face.

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Eck makes $1.1 million as a head coach at New Mexico. Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State. It is all relative. There is no single "market rate" for head coaches. Schools that have big media earnings can afford to pay top dollar and get proven successful P4 coaches.

Schools that can't afford that have to gamble on first time coaches or coaches from a lower level. If you are willing to pay top market rates you should go after a proven successful P4 head coach. If Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State and his agent walks away from a $2 million offer at Cal he should be fired. Cal paying him $8 million would be insane.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. What it takes to get him to take the Cal job is negotiable and would depend on what his other potential offers are, but just paying him $8 million because "that's what other P4 head coaches get paid" would be foolish if he would come for less and we could direct more money to NIL.

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You aren't making any sense at this point, it's just logical fallacies. Nobody is saying pay him $8m. But less than that loser you just fired? Nonsense. Fewer than 5 years? Utter nonsense.

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Big C said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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calumnus said:

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

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Laughable. Wilcox was making $5,000,000. And beyond that, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about suggesting a 3 year contract.

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Yeah, but Wilcox was overpaid.

How much is Oregon State paying Jamarcus Sheppard?

Tosh makes $1.9 million now. Obviously he would get a 4 year contract minimum, but whether you offer him 2X, 3X, 4X his current salary or even more as suggested should be seriously considered.

If I am Rivera when I am interviewing the candidates I bring up the budget problem, head coach salary vs NIL and ask their thoughts about accepting less salary in order to put more into NIL. I think the answers would be very informative.

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I don't know but it's a 5 year deal. Suggesting 3 years indicates one has zero idea how this works. NOBODY is taking a 3 year contract, it's a slap in the face. I guarantee you there's nobody at CAL even thinking of offering that to any candidate. And look at where the market is trending. Missouri just re-upped 1 conference game over .500 Eli for 11m/yr. CAL retired Knowlton, has a new chancellor, hired Ron Rivera as one of the highest paid front office(let's face it that's what it is these days) guys in the country, fired Wilcox and will pay his buyout, but are going to skimp on the next HC contract? nah. In order to be serious, you have to act serious(ly).

Offering even a 4 year deal is unserious. It's going to be something like 5 35 or 6 36.

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However, overpaying for a first time head coach does not make you serious, but it would be typical,

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It can be both. And who is to say it would be overpaying? You're hiring him, so obviously the powers that be think he's better than the last guy who made 5m per. Imagine being an agent and CAL has just fired a guy making 5 and you want to offer 4. CAL does not have leverage. Tosh can go back to Oregon for another year, make his 2m and go to Washington or Wisconsin next year for double what CAL offered.

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I believe you are correct. There have, over the years, been some crazy notions proposed here:

- offer him three years
- double his current salary; who wouldn't take that?
- offer an incentive-laden contract... one million for showing up, but up to 10 million for a natty! (isn't he confident?)

There is a "market rate" for coaches and they -- along with their agents -- all know what it is. Less is a slap in the face.

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Eck makes $1.1 million as a head coach at New Mexico. Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State. It is all relative. There is no single "market rate" for head coaches. Schools that have big media earnings can afford to pay top dollar and get proven successful P4 coaches.

Schools that can't afford that have to gamble on first time coaches or coaches from a lower level. If you are willing to pay top market rates you should go after a proven successful P4 head coach. If Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State and his agent walks away from a $2 million offer at Cal he should be fired. Cal paying him $8 million would be insane.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. What it takes to get him to take the Cal job is negotiable and would depend on what his other potential offers are, but just paying him $8 million because "that's what other P4 head coaches get paid" would be foolish if he would come for less and we could direct more money to NIL.

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You aren't making any sense at this point, it's just logical fallacies. Nobody is saying pay him $8m. But less than that loser you just fired? Nonsense. Fewer than 5 years? Utter nonsense.

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Read the OP. He said it it $8 million for Tosh,

And the rest is economics. There is not a single price for college coaches. It varies widely based on coach and the school's ability to pay. There is a discount for unproven coaches. Wilcox started at $1.9 million (yes, 8 years ago). Cal's mistake was was giving raises and extensions as if ge was a proven successful coach when it was the opposite.

That said, I have no idea what it will take to get Lupoi from Oregon, and the $5 million Wilcox made sounds likely, but if it is the $8 milion mentioned in the OP as a done deal I think we are seriously overpaying. We are going to need to pay top dollar for an OC and need money for NIL.

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ducktilldeath said:

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calumnus said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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calumnus said:

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

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Laughable. Wilcox was making $5,000,000. And beyond that, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about suggesting a 3 year contract.

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Yeah, but Wilcox was overpaid.

How much is Oregon State paying Jamarcus Sheppard?

Tosh makes $1.9 million now. Obviously he would get a 4 year contract minimum, but whether you offer him 2X, 3X, 4X his current salary or even more as suggested should be seriously considered.

If I am Rivera when I am interviewing the candidates I bring up the budget problem, head coach salary vs NIL and ask their thoughts about accepting less salary in order to put more into NIL. I think the answers would be very informative.

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I don't know but it's a 5 year deal. Suggesting 3 years indicates one has zero idea how this works. NOBODY is taking a 3 year contract, it's a slap in the face. I guarantee you there's nobody at CAL even thinking of offering that to any candidate. And look at where the market is trending. Missouri just re-upped 1 conference game over .500 Eli for 11m/yr. CAL retired Knowlton, has a new chancellor, hired Ron Rivera as one of the highest paid front office(let's face it that's what it is these days) guys in the country, fired Wilcox and will pay his buyout, but are going to skimp on the next HC contract? nah. In order to be serious, you have to act serious(ly).

Offering even a 4 year deal is unserious. It's going to be something like 5 35 or 6 36.

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However, overpaying for a first time head coach does not make you serious, but it would be typical,

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It can be both. And who is to say it would be overpaying? You're hiring him, so obviously the powers that be think he's better than the last guy who made 5m per. Imagine being an agent and CAL has just fired a guy making 5 and you want to offer 4. CAL does not have leverage. Tosh can go back to Oregon for another year, make his 2m and go to Washington or Wisconsin next year for double what CAL offered.

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I believe you are correct. There have, over the years, been some crazy notions proposed here:

- offer him three years
- double his current salary; who wouldn't take that?
- offer an incentive-laden contract... one million for showing up, but up to 10 million for a natty! (isn't he confident?)

There is a "market rate" for coaches and they -- along with their agents -- all know what it is. Less is a slap in the face.

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Eck makes $1.1 million as a head coach at New Mexico. Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State. It is all relative. There is no single "market rate" for head coaches. Schools that have big media earnings can afford to pay top dollar and get proven successful P4 coaches.

Schools that can't afford that have to gamble on first time coaches or coaches from a lower level. If you are willing to pay top market rates you should go after a proven successful P4 head coach. If Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State and his agent walks away from a $2 million offer at Cal he should be fired. Cal paying him $8 million would be insane.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. What it takes to get him to take the Cal job is negotiable and would depend on what his other potential offers are, but just paying him $8 million because "that's what other P4 head coaches get paid" would be foolish if he would come for less and we could direct more money to NIL.

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You aren't making any sense at this point, it's just logical fallacies. Nobody is saying pay him $8m. But less than that loser you just fired? Nonsense. Fewer than 5 years? Utter nonsense.

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Read the OP.

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Who said " You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster"

Nobody is suggesting he be paid that much money. You seem quite addled.

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

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Please NO five-year contracts for the next coach. Give him $8.0 MM per year but no longer than 3 years on the contract with a 2 year option if certain criteria are met.
Remember how many good prospects for HC fizzle out.

"The times they are a changing" in College Football with the Portal and NIL.

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calumnus said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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calumnus said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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TonyTiger said:

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calumnus said:

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

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Laughable. Wilcox was making $5,000,000. And beyond that, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about suggesting a 3 year contract.

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Yeah, but Wilcox was overpaid.

How much is Oregon State paying Jamarcus Sheppard?

Tosh makes $1.9 million now. Obviously he would get a 4 year contract minimum, but whether you offer him 2X, 3X, 4X his current salary or even more as suggested should be seriously considered.

If I am Rivera when I am interviewing the candidates I bring up the budget problem, head coach salary vs NIL and ask their thoughts about accepting less salary in order to put more into NIL. I think the answers would be very informative.

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I don't know but it's a 5 year deal. Suggesting 3 years indicates one has zero idea how this works. NOBODY is taking a 3 year contract, it's a slap in the face. I guarantee you there's nobody at CAL even thinking of offering that to any candidate. And look at where the market is trending. Missouri just re-upped 1 conference game over .500 Eli for 11m/yr. CAL retired Knowlton, has a new chancellor, hired Ron Rivera as one of the highest paid front office(let's face it that's what it is these days) guys in the country, fired Wilcox and will pay his buyout, but are going to skimp on the next HC contract? nah. In order to be serious, you have to act serious(ly).

Offering even a 4 year deal is unserious. It's going to be something like 5 35 or 6 36.

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However, overpaying for a first time head coach does not make you serious, but it would be typical,

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It can be both. And who is to say it would be overpaying? You're hiring him, so obviously the powers that be think he's better than the last guy who made 5m per. Imagine being an agent and CAL has just fired a guy making 5 and you want to offer 4. CAL does not have leverage. Tosh can go back to Oregon for another year, make his 2m and go to Washington or Wisconsin next year for double what CAL offered.

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I believe you are correct. There have, over the years, been some crazy notions proposed here:

- offer him three years
- double his current salary; who wouldn't take that?
- offer an incentive-laden contract... one million for showing up, but up to 10 million for a natty! (isn't he confident?)

There is a "market rate" for coaches and they -- along with their agents -- all know what it is. Less is a slap in the face.

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Eck makes $1.1 million as a head coach at New Mexico. Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State. It is all relative. There is no single "market rate" for head coaches. Schools that have big media earnings can afford to pay top dollar and get proven successful P4 coaches.

Schools that can't afford that have to gamble on first time coaches or coaches from a lower level. If you are willing to pay top market rates you should go after a proven successful P4 head coach. If Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State and his agent walks away from a $2 million offer at Cal he should be fired. Cal paying him $8 million would be insane.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. What it takes to get him to take the Cal job is negotiable and would depend on what his other potential offers are, but just paying him $8 million because "that's what other P4 head coaches get paid" would be foolish if he would come for less and we could direct more money to NIL.

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I could have articulated this more clearly: The market rate is dependent on several factors (experience, success, current position); it is not the same for everybody.

Tosh would command more if he is a sitting, successful Head Coach.

If you offer Brennan Marion (btw, I'm surprised that this is his first mention lately) $2 million, there had better be some ACC Head Coach who is making that "little", or else it is a slap in the face. Or at least offer him something that starts at $2 million and then goes up to $5 million over the course of the contract.

Tosh's market rate should probably start at $5 million, increasing to $7 million over the five years, then tear it up and extend him with more, if he is very successful.

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Big C said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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calumnus said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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calumnus said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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TonyTiger said:

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calumnus said:

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

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Laughable. Wilcox was making $5,000,000. And beyond that, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about suggesting a 3 year contract.

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Yeah, but Wilcox was overpaid.

How much is Oregon State paying Jamarcus Sheppard?

Tosh makes $1.9 million now. Obviously he would get a 4 year contract minimum, but whether you offer him 2X, 3X, 4X his current salary or even more as suggested should be seriously considered.

If I am Rivera when I am interviewing the candidates I bring up the budget problem, head coach salary vs NIL and ask their thoughts about accepting less salary in order to put more into NIL. I think the answers would be very informative.

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I don't know but it's a 5 year deal. Suggesting 3 years indicates one has zero idea how this works. NOBODY is taking a 3 year contract, it's a slap in the face. I guarantee you there's nobody at CAL even thinking of offering that to any candidate. And look at where the market is trending. Missouri just re-upped 1 conference game over .500 Eli for 11m/yr. CAL retired Knowlton, has a new chancellor, hired Ron Rivera as one of the highest paid front office(let's face it that's what it is these days) guys in the country, fired Wilcox and will pay his buyout, but are going to skimp on the next HC contract? nah. In order to be serious, you have to act serious(ly).

Offering even a 4 year deal is unserious. It's going to be something like 5 35 or 6 36.

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However, overpaying for a first time head coach does not make you serious, but it would be typical,

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It can be both. And who is to say it would be overpaying? You're hiring him, so obviously the powers that be think he's better than the last guy who made 5m per. Imagine being an agent and CAL has just fired a guy making 5 and you want to offer 4. CAL does not have leverage. Tosh can go back to Oregon for another year, make his 2m and go to Washington or Wisconsin next year for double what CAL offered.

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I believe you are correct. There have, over the years, been some crazy notions proposed here:

- offer him three years
- double his current salary; who wouldn't take that?
- offer an incentive-laden contract... one million for showing up, but up to 10 million for a natty! (isn't he confident?)

There is a "market rate" for coaches and they -- along with their agents -- all know what it is. Less is a slap in the face.

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Eck makes $1.1 million as a head coach at New Mexico. Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State. It is all relative. There is no single "market rate" for head coaches. Schools that have big media earnings can afford to pay top dollar and get proven successful P4 coaches.

Schools that can't afford that have to gamble on first time coaches or coaches from a lower level. If you are willing to pay top market rates you should go after a proven successful P4 head coach. If Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State and his agent walks away from a $2 million offer at Cal he should be fired. Cal paying him $8 million would be insane.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. What it takes to get him to take the Cal job is negotiable and would depend on what his other potential offers are, but just paying him $8 million because "that's what other P4 head coaches get paid" would be foolish if he would come for less and we could direct more money to NIL.

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You aren't making any sense at this point, it's just logical fallacies. Nobody is saying pay him $8m. But less than that loser you just fired? Nonsense. Fewer than 5 years? Utter nonsense.

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Read the OP.

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Who said " You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster"

Nobody is suggesting he be paid that much money. You seem quite addled.

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In the OP on this thread CNHTH said "You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster…
And you don't achieve that without the type of people who will cut a NON TAX DEDUCTABLE million dollar check at the drop of a dime during a spear of the moment walk a thon jog style pledge drive.
Is it 2 or more of them? Likely
And while I dont like the idea of not knowing who they are…the knowledge that they exist gives me solace."

I was responding to the OP. He is saying we are paying Tosh $8 million. He is saying it is a done deal. I don't know if it is true, but I think $8 million would be overpaying.

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calumnus said:

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calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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calumnus said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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calumnus said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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TonyTiger said:

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calumnus said:

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

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Laughable. Wilcox was making $5,000,000. And beyond that, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about suggesting a 3 year contract.

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Yeah, but Wilcox was overpaid.

How much is Oregon State paying Jamarcus Sheppard?

Tosh makes $1.9 million now. Obviously he would get a 4 year contract minimum, but whether you offer him 2X, 3X, 4X his current salary or even more as suggested should be seriously considered.

If I am Rivera when I am interviewing the candidates I bring up the budget problem, head coach salary vs NIL and ask their thoughts about accepting less salary in order to put more into NIL. I think the answers would be very informative.

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I don't know but it's a 5 year deal. Suggesting 3 years indicates one has zero idea how this works. NOBODY is taking a 3 year contract, it's a slap in the face. I guarantee you there's nobody at CAL even thinking of offering that to any candidate. And look at where the market is trending. Missouri just re-upped 1 conference game over .500 Eli for 11m/yr. CAL retired Knowlton, has a new chancellor, hired Ron Rivera as one of the highest paid front office(let's face it that's what it is these days) guys in the country, fired Wilcox and will pay his buyout, but are going to skimp on the next HC contract? nah. In order to be serious, you have to act serious(ly).

Offering even a 4 year deal is unserious. It's going to be something like 5 35 or 6 36.

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However, overpaying for a first time head coach does not make you serious, but it would be typical,

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It can be both. And who is to say it would be overpaying? You're hiring him, so obviously the powers that be think he's better than the last guy who made 5m per. Imagine being an agent and CAL has just fired a guy making 5 and you want to offer 4. CAL does not have leverage. Tosh can go back to Oregon for another year, make his 2m and go to Washington or Wisconsin next year for double what CAL offered.

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I believe you are correct. There have, over the years, been some crazy notions proposed here:

- offer him three years
- double his current salary; who wouldn't take that?
- offer an incentive-laden contract... one million for showing up, but up to 10 million for a natty! (isn't he confident?)

There is a "market rate" for coaches and they -- along with their agents -- all know what it is. Less is a slap in the face.

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Eck makes $1.1 million as a head coach at New Mexico. Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State. It is all relative. There is no single "market rate" for head coaches. Schools that have big media earnings can afford to pay top dollar and get proven successful P4 coaches.

Schools that can't afford that have to gamble on first time coaches or coaches from a lower level. If you are willing to pay top market rates you should go after a proven successful P4 head coach. If Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State and his agent walks away from a $2 million offer at Cal he should be fired. Cal paying him $8 million would be insane.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. What it takes to get him to take the Cal job is negotiable and would depend on what his other potential offers are, but just paying him $8 million because "that's what other P4 head coaches get paid" would be foolish if he would come for less and we could direct more money to NIL.

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You aren't making any sense at this point, it's just logical fallacies. Nobody is saying pay him $8m. But less than that loser you just fired? Nonsense. Fewer than 5 years? Utter nonsense.

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Read the OP.

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Who said " You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster"

Nobody is suggesting he be paid that much money. You seem quite addled.

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I was responding to the OP. He is saying we are paying Tosh $8 million.

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No, he didn't. He said I have full confidence that we have serious serious serious financial backing lurking in the shadows to not only afford us the ability to pay someone like Tosh 8 mil a year but also to field a roster comparable to anyone…"

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calumnus said:

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

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Laughable. Wilcox was making $5,000,000. And beyond that, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about suggesting a 3 year contract.

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Yeah, but Wilcox was overpaid.

How much is Oregon State paying Jamarcus Sheppard?

Tosh makes $1.9 million now. Obviously he would get a 4 year contract minimum, but whether you offer him 2X, 3X, 4X his current salary or even more as suggested should be seriously considered.

If I am Rivera when I am interviewing the candidates I bring up the budget problem, head coach salary vs NIL and ask their thoughts about accepting less salary in order to put more into NIL. I think the answers would be very informative.

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I don't know but it's a 5 year deal. Suggesting 3 years indicates one has zero idea how this works. NOBODY is taking a 3 year contract, it's a slap in the face. I guarantee you there's nobody at CAL even thinking of offering that to any candidate. And look at where the market is trending. Missouri just re-upped 1 conference game over .500 Eli for 11m/yr. CAL retired Knowlton, has a new chancellor, hired Ron Rivera as one of the highest paid front office(let's face it that's what it is these days) guys in the country, fired Wilcox and will pay his buyout, but are going to skimp on the next HC contract? nah. In order to be serious, you have to act serious(ly).

Offering even a 4 year deal is unserious. It's going to be something like 5 35 or 6 36.

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However, overpaying for a first time head coach does not make you serious, but it would be typical,

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It can be both. And who is to say it would be overpaying? You're hiring him, so obviously the powers that be think he's better than the last guy who made 5m per. Imagine being an agent and CAL has just fired a guy making 5 and you want to offer 4. CAL does not have leverage. Tosh can go back to Oregon for another year, make his 2m and go to Washington or Wisconsin next year for double what CAL offered.

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I believe you are correct. There have, over the years, been some crazy notions proposed here:

- offer him three years
- double his current salary; who wouldn't take that?
- offer an incentive-laden contract... one million for showing up, but up to 10 million for a natty! (isn't he confident?)

There is a "market rate" for coaches and they -- along with their agents -- all know what it is. Less is a slap in the face.

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Eck makes $1.1 million as a head coach at New Mexico. Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State. It is all relative. There is no single "market rate" for head coaches. Schools that have big media earnings can afford to pay top dollar and get proven successful P4 coaches.

Schools that can't afford that have to gamble on first time coaches or coaches from a lower level. If you are willing to pay top market rates you should go after a proven successful P4 head coach. If Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State and his agent walks away from a $2 million offer at Cal he should be fired. Cal paying him $8 million would be insane.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. What it takes to get him to take the Cal job is negotiable and would depend on what his other potential offers are, but just paying him $8 million because "that's what other P4 head coaches get paid" would be foolish if he would come for less and we could direct more money to NIL.

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You aren't making any sense at this point, it's just logical fallacies. Nobody is saying pay him $8m. But less than that loser you just fired? Nonsense. Fewer than 5 years? Utter nonsense.

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Read the OP.

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Who said " You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster"

Nobody is suggesting he be paid that much money. You seem quite addled.

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I was responding to the OP. He is saying we are paying Tosh $8 million.

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No, he isn't.

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Well yes, he is speculating, but he thinks the rumor we are paying Tosh $8 million (a figure he mentions twice) indicates some big donors have stepped up in a big way. That is the whole point of his post.

I don't know if the $8 million is true, I hope it is not, but I think if true we are seriously overpaying.

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

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Laughable. Wilcox was making $5,000,000. And beyond that, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about suggesting a 3 year contract.

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Yeah, but Wilcox was overpaid.

How much is Oregon State paying Jamarcus Sheppard?

Tosh makes $1.9 million now. Obviously he would get a 4 year contract minimum, but whether you offer him 2X, 3X, 4X his current salary or even more as suggested should be seriously considered.

If I am Rivera when I am interviewing the candidates I bring up the budget problem, head coach salary vs NIL and ask their thoughts about accepting less salary in order to put more into NIL. I think the answers would be very informative.

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I don't know but it's a 5 year deal. Suggesting 3 years indicates one has zero idea how this works. NOBODY is taking a 3 year contract, it's a slap in the face. I guarantee you there's nobody at CAL even thinking of offering that to any candidate. And look at where the market is trending. Missouri just re-upped 1 conference game over .500 Eli for 11m/yr. CAL retired Knowlton, has a new chancellor, hired Ron Rivera as one of the highest paid front office(let's face it that's what it is these days) guys in the country, fired Wilcox and will pay his buyout, but are going to skimp on the next HC contract? nah. In order to be serious, you have to act serious(ly).

Offering even a 4 year deal is unserious. It's going to be something like 5 35 or 6 36.

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However, overpaying for a first time head coach does not make you serious, but it would be typical,

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It can be both. And who is to say it would be overpaying? You're hiring him, so obviously the powers that be think he's better than the last guy who made 5m per. Imagine being an agent and CAL has just fired a guy making 5 and you want to offer 4. CAL does not have leverage. Tosh can go back to Oregon for another year, make his 2m and go to Washington or Wisconsin next year for double what CAL offered.

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I believe you are correct. There have, over the years, been some crazy notions proposed here:

- offer him three years
- double his current salary; who wouldn't take that?
- offer an incentive-laden contract... one million for showing up, but up to 10 million for a natty! (isn't he confident?)

There is a "market rate" for coaches and they -- along with their agents -- all know what it is. Less is a slap in the face.

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Eck makes $1.1 million as a head coach at New Mexico. Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State. It is all relative. There is no single "market rate" for head coaches. Schools that have big media earnings can afford to pay top dollar and get proven successful P4 coaches.

Schools that can't afford that have to gamble on first time coaches or coaches from a lower level. If you are willing to pay top market rates you should go after a proven successful P4 head coach. If Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State and his agent walks away from a $2 million offer at Cal he should be fired. Cal paying him $8 million would be insane.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. What it takes to get him to take the Cal job is negotiable and would depend on what his other potential offers are, but just paying him $8 million because "that's what other P4 head coaches get paid" would be foolish if he would come for less and we could direct more money to NIL.

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You aren't making any sense at this point, it's just logical fallacies. Nobody is saying pay him $8m. But less than that loser you just fired? Nonsense. Fewer than 5 years? Utter nonsense.

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Read the OP.

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Who said " You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster"

Nobody is suggesting he be paid that much money. You seem quite addled.

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I was responding to the OP. He is saying we are paying Tosh $8 million.

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No, he isn't.

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Well yes, he is speculating, but he thinks we are and that indicates we must have big donors willing to fund that and a huge NIL budget. ThAat is the whole point of his post.

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You've become incoherent at this point and I don't even understand why you're replying to me. CAL is not offering ANYONE ALIVE a 3 year 12 million dollar contract. We've established you can't keep track of who any of us are replying to or what they said.

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

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Laughable. Wilcox was making $5,000,000. And beyond that, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about suggesting a 3 year contract.

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Yeah, but Wilcox was overpaid.

How much is Oregon State paying Jamarcus Sheppard?

Tosh makes $1.9 million now. Obviously he would get a 4 year contract minimum, but whether you offer him 2X, 3X, 4X his current salary or even more as suggested should be seriously considered.

If I am Rivera when I am interviewing the candidates I bring up the budget problem, head coach salary vs NIL and ask their thoughts about accepting less salary in order to put more into NIL. I think the answers would be very informative.

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I don't know but it's a 5 year deal. Suggesting 3 years indicates one has zero idea how this works. NOBODY is taking a 3 year contract, it's a slap in the face. I guarantee you there's nobody at CAL even thinking of offering that to any candidate. And look at where the market is trending. Missouri just re-upped 1 conference game over .500 Eli for 11m/yr. CAL retired Knowlton, has a new chancellor, hired Ron Rivera as one of the highest paid front office(let's face it that's what it is these days) guys in the country, fired Wilcox and will pay his buyout, but are going to skimp on the next HC contract? nah. In order to be serious, you have to act serious(ly).

Offering even a 4 year deal is unserious. It's going to be something like 5 35 or 6 36.

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However, overpaying for a first time head coach does not make you serious, but it would be typical,

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It can be both. And who is to say it would be overpaying? You're hiring him, so obviously the powers that be think he's better than the last guy who made 5m per. Imagine being an agent and CAL has just fired a guy making 5 and you want to offer 4. CAL does not have leverage. Tosh can go back to Oregon for another year, make his 2m and go to Washington or Wisconsin next year for double what CAL offered.

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I believe you are correct. There have, over the years, been some crazy notions proposed here:

- offer him three years
- double his current salary; who wouldn't take that?
- offer an incentive-laden contract... one million for showing up, but up to 10 million for a natty! (isn't he confident?)

There is a "market rate" for coaches and they -- along with their agents -- all know what it is. Less is a slap in the face.

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Eck makes $1.1 million as a head coach at New Mexico. Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State. It is all relative. There is no single "market rate" for head coaches. Schools that have big media earnings can afford to pay top dollar and get proven successful P4 coaches.

Schools that can't afford that have to gamble on first time coaches or coaches from a lower level. If you are willing to pay top market rates you should go after a proven successful P4 head coach. If Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State and his agent walks away from a $2 million offer at Cal he should be fired. Cal paying him $8 million would be insane.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. What it takes to get him to take the Cal job is negotiable and would depend on what his other potential offers are, but just paying him $8 million because "that's what other P4 head coaches get paid" would be foolish if he would come for less and we could direct more money to NIL.

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You aren't making any sense at this point, it's just logical fallacies. Nobody is saying pay him $8m. But less than that loser you just fired? Nonsense. Fewer than 5 years? Utter nonsense.

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Read the OP.

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Who said " You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster"

Nobody is suggesting he be paid that much money. You seem quite addled.

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I was responding to the OP. He is saying we are paying Tosh $8 million.

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No, he isn't.

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Well yes, he is speculating, but he thinks we are and that indicates we must have big donors willing to fund that and a huge NIL budget. ThAat is the whole point of his post.

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You've become incoherent at this point and I don't even understand why you're replying to me. CAL is not offering ANYONE ALIVE a 3 year 12 million dollar contract. We've established you can't keep track of who any of us are replying to or what they said.

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That was Big C or Tony who said 3 years $12 million, not me.

You are the one who once again lost track of who you are responding to. That is why it seems incoherent to you. Go get some sleep.

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If we plan to spend $8 million on Tosh, I think that is a mistake. A 5 year $40 million contract? What if he bombs? People were having fits over the idea we were going have to pay Wilcox the $10 million we owe him. Plus we would need donor money for a top OC and for his NIL war chest.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. If we have to spend $8 million for him to get a promotion and come home to his beloved alma mater something isn't r

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I agree, he's unproven. Four million a year at most for three years. That's of 12 million. If he's good will pay him the going rate in four years 12 million. He ll make up for lost funds on the second contract.

Hell, ill take the job for $45./hr.

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Laughable. Wilcox was making $5,000,000. And beyond that, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about suggesting a 3 year contract.

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Yeah, but Wilcox was overpaid.

How much is Oregon State paying Jamarcus Sheppard?

Tosh makes $1.9 million now. Obviously he would get a 4 year contract minimum, but whether you offer him 2X, 3X, 4X his current salary or even more as suggested should be seriously considered.

If I am Rivera when I am interviewing the candidates I bring up the budget problem, head coach salary vs NIL and ask their thoughts about accepting less salary in order to put more into NIL. I think the answers would be very informative.

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I don't know but it's a 5 year deal. Suggesting 3 years indicates one has zero idea how this works. NOBODY is taking a 3 year contract, it's a slap in the face. I guarantee you there's nobody at CAL even thinking of offering that to any candidate. And look at where the market is trending. Missouri just re-upped 1 conference game over .500 Eli for 11m/yr. CAL retired Knowlton, has a new chancellor, hired Ron Rivera as one of the highest paid front office(let's face it that's what it is these days) guys in the country, fired Wilcox and will pay his buyout, but are going to skimp on the next HC contract? nah. In order to be serious, you have to act serious(ly).

Offering even a 4 year deal is unserious. It's going to be something like 5 35 or 6 36.

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However, overpaying for a first time head coach does not make you serious, but it would be typical,

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It can be both. And who is to say it would be overpaying? You're hiring him, so obviously the powers that be think he's better than the last guy who made 5m per. Imagine being an agent and CAL has just fired a guy making 5 and you want to offer 4. CAL does not have leverage. Tosh can go back to Oregon for another year, make his 2m and go to Washington or Wisconsin next year for double what CAL offered.

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I believe you are correct. There have, over the years, been some crazy notions proposed here:

- offer him three years
- double his current salary; who wouldn't take that?
- offer an incentive-laden contract... one million for showing up, but up to 10 million for a natty! (isn't he confident?)

There is a "market rate" for coaches and they -- along with their agents -- all know what it is. Less is a slap in the face.

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Eck makes $1.1 million as a head coach at New Mexico. Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State. It is all relative. There is no single "market rate" for head coaches. Schools that have big media earnings can afford to pay top dollar and get proven successful P4 coaches.

Schools that can't afford that have to gamble on first time coaches or coaches from a lower level. If you are willing to pay top market rates you should go after a proven successful P4 head coach. If Brennan Marion makes $383k at Sac State and his agent walks away from a $2 million offer at Cal he should be fired. Cal paying him $8 million would be insane.

Tosh makes $1.9 million at Oregon. What it takes to get him to take the Cal job is negotiable and would depend on what his other potential offers are, but just paying him $8 million because "that's what other P4 head coaches get paid" would be foolish if he would come for less and we could direct more money to NIL.

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I could have articulated this more clearly: The market rate is dependent on several factors (experience, success, current position); it is not the same for everybody.

Tosh would command more if he is a sitting, successful Head Coach.

If you offer Brennan Marion (btw, I'm surprised that this is his first mention lately) $2 million, there had better be some ACC Head Coach who is making that "little", or else it is a slap in the face. Or at least offer him something that starts at $2 million and then goes up to $5 million over the course of the contract.

Tosh's market rate should probably start at $5 million, increasing to $7 million over the five years, then tear it up and extend him with more, if he is very successful.

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Agreed, except every other ACC team other than SMU and Stanford makes $40 million+ in media revenue and we make $10 million. Financially we are more like a G5 program unless our donors step up in a major way (which is CNTH's OP).

As I said above, if I am Rivera, I discuss the budget issue with the candidates and get their thoughts on the trade off between head coach salary, staff salary and NIL. I think that would be very revealing. I think all else being equal we want a candidate that thinks strategically and wants to maximize Cal's (and his) chances of success rather than maximizing his own salary (Obviously no one is taking less than they are offered elsewhere). I actually think Tosh would get that, but if he doesn't it would speak volumes.

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That was Big C who said 3 years $12 million, not me.

You are the one who once again lost track of who you are responding to. That is why it seems incoherent to you. Go get some sleep.

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Do you smell toast? I replied to Tony.

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That was Big C or Tony who said 3 years $12 million, not me.

You are the one who once again lost track of who you are responding to. That is why it seems incoherent to you. Go get some sleep.

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Do you smell toast? I replied to Tony.

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No, you replied to me and attributed something Tony or Big C said to me while calling me "incoherent." It is funny because we actually usually agree. Anyway, you must be tired, go get some sleep.

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That was Big C or Tony who said 3 years $12 million, not me.

You are the one who once again lost track of who you are responding to. That is why it seems incoherent to you. Go get some sleep.

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Do you smell toast? I replied to Tony.

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No, you replied to me and attributed something Tony or Big C said to me while calling me "incoherent." It is because we actually usually agree. Anyway, you must be tired, go get some sleep.

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good god. you want Cal to be competitive with the big boys, but also advocate for the one of the hottest coordinator names to be paid 4m "bc he only makes 2m" today?

might as well get relegated bc we're not serious about football in this era.

It's all about the Benjamins.

This thread is a perfect example of why this board should be put in a straitjacket.