I'd make the contract incentive laden for success. So maybe he only makes $4 mil/year but if he wins 9/10 games the contract goes up 4 million and goes up each year he achieves that with a cap at a certain number. Add a buyout at a reasonable price as well. Both parties should be able to get out of it if either party is unhappy. Don't put incentives for mediocre achievements like Wilcox got.

CNHTH said:

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Zooming out and looking at this holistically through a broader lens (both in terms of time going back 3 years and geography)…
I have full confidence that we have serious serious serious financial backing lurking in the shadows to not only afford us the ability to pay someone like Tosh 8 mil a year but also to field a roster comparable to anyone…
Between the UCI big ten stuff, Learfield, troutman, etc. there is something much larger than what I think most of us are aware of afoot here and I think it bodes well for us going forward because someone / something has shown serious interest in elevating this program.
Clearly Greg and Kevin and John likely know what / who that is and I would be remiss not to acknowledge the financial and logistical contributions each of them make to the cause which make an average Joe like me look like an impoverished ragamuffin…but I strongly suspect that whoever is lurking in the shadows is a much heavier hitter (financially) and is about to make their presence felt in a big big way…
You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster…
And you don't achieve that without the type of people who will cut a NON TAX DEDUCTABLE million dollar check at the drop of a dime during a spear of the moment walk a thon jog style pledge drive.
Is it 2 or more of them? Likely
And while I dont like the idea of not knowing who they are…the knowledge that they exist gives me solace.

Just my gut feeling but I feel like we're all about to be rewarded for the last decade plus of pain.

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$8 million/year for someone like Tosh, who is making $1.9M per year and at 44 despite having coached under Saban and Meyer has never had a HC offer before is beyond r3tarded, total bonehead move.

DeShaun Foster at UCLA was making $3M/year.

Pay Tosh $4M-5M and put a few millions more into the NIL and coaches salaries. If he doesn't take an offer like this, then at the very least all the BS about him and how he loves his alma mater should be thrown out.

It just occurred to me that one very obvious name is missing from the coaching possibilities...Burl Toler Jr.

What do people think about Chip Kelly? Would he be worth considering?

BearForceOne said:

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What do people think about Chip Kelly? Would he be worth considering?

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The game's passed him by. Also, he hates recruiting. When he got to UCLA, the Bruins were stoked. At the end of his tenure, Bruins fans had turned against him. Kelly could not put a winning team on the field. Part of that was his disdain for recruiting and part if it was that the rest of the football world had caught up and adapted to his innovations from a decade ago. (Also, it can't be dismissed that Chip had lost his drive to excel and outcompete everyone else.)

In short, Chip is not going yo be able to turn Cal around. If anything, he's likely to make it worse (heck, he lost to Wilcox in his final game at the Rose Bowl!).

I'm not advocating for Chip by any means, but he does have extensive college and NFL head coaching experience and did win a national championship just last year, so just wondering if he will be considered "less risky" than some less known/proven candidates.

BearForceOne said:

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What do people think about Chip Kelly? Would he be worth considering?

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Chip's success came because he found a glitch in college football at the time, by doing his no huddle bs that was breaking a lot of rules of football. He abused the rule of lineman down field and refs refused to officiate it and they essentially continued to let him do it. The NCAA later came in and legalized what he was doing which changed college football for the worse imho. Chip then got on the Tedford ride of watching his recruiting go up and up and up, essentially allowing Oregon to out talent most of his opposition.

Cal88 said:

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CNHTH said:

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Zooming out and looking at this holistically through a broader lens (both in terms of time going back 3 years and geography)…
I have full confidence that we have serious serious serious financial backing lurking in the shadows to not only afford us the ability to pay someone like Tosh 8 mil a year but also to field a roster comparable to anyone…
Between the UCI big ten stuff, Learfield, troutman, etc. there is something much larger than what I think most of us are aware of afoot here and I think it bodes well for us going forward because someone / something has shown serious interest in elevating this program.
Clearly Greg and Kevin and John likely know what / who that is and I would be remiss not to acknowledge the financial and logistical contributions each of them make to the cause which make an average Joe like me look like an impoverished ragamuffin…but I strongly suspect that whoever is lurking in the shadows is a much heavier hitter (financially) and is about to make their presence felt in a big big way…
You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster…
And you don't achieve that without the type of people who will cut a NON TAX DEDUCTABLE million dollar check at the drop of a dime during a spear of the moment walk a thon jog style pledge drive.
Is it 2 or more of them? Likely
And while I dont like the idea of not knowing who they are…the knowledge that they exist gives me solace.

Just my gut feeling but I feel like we're all about to be rewarded for the last decade plus of pain.

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$8 million/year for someone like Tosh, who is making $1.9M per year and at 44 despite having coached under Saban and Meyer has never had a HC offer before is beyond r3tarded, total bonehead move.

DeShaun Foster at UCLA was making $3M/year.

Pay Tosh $4M-5M and put a few millions more into the NIL and coaches salaries. If he doesn't take an offer like this, then at the very least all the BS about him and how he loves his alma mater should be thrown out.

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Foster was a bargain basement coach, similar to Wyking Jones at Cal (or 'Furd's new coach?). Nobody was excited with these hires and I guess you could say they performed to expectations.

All citing his salary shows us is that we would need to pay more than that.

MinotStateBeav said:

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BearForceOne said:

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What do people think about Chip Kelly? Would he be worth considering?

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Chip's success came because he found a glitch in college football at the time, by doing his no huddle bs that was breaking a lot of rules of football. He abused the rule of lineman down field and refs refused to officiate it and they essentially continued to let him do it. The NCAA later came in and legalized what he was doing which changed college football for the worse imho. Chip then got on the Tedford ride of watching his recruiting go up and up and up, essentially allowing Oregon to out talent most of his opposition.

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What made the sport more tedious is what CFB did to negate something Chip was doing at Oregon. His teams were running a no huddle offense and changing personnel on the fly faster than the defense could. The NCAA responded by instructing officials to stand over the ball before the snap, and give the defense plenty of time to substitute if the offense makes any substitutions (so that the offense can only run a quick no huddle if they make no subs).

Big C said:

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Cal88 said:

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CNHTH said:

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Zooming out and looking at this holistically through a broader lens (both in terms of time going back 3 years and geography)…
I have full confidence that we have serious serious serious financial backing lurking in the shadows to not only afford us the ability to pay someone like Tosh 8 mil a year but also to field a roster comparable to anyone…
Between the UCI big ten stuff, Learfield, troutman, etc. there is something much larger than what I think most of us are aware of afoot here and I think it bodes well for us going forward because someone / something has shown serious interest in elevating this program.
Clearly Greg and Kevin and John likely know what / who that is and I would be remiss not to acknowledge the financial and logistical contributions each of them make to the cause which make an average Joe like me look like an impoverished ragamuffin…but I strongly suspect that whoever is lurking in the shadows is a much heavier hitter (financially) and is about to make their presence felt in a big big way…
You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster…
And you don't achieve that without the type of people who will cut a NON TAX DEDUCTABLE million dollar check at the drop of a dime during a spear of the moment walk a thon jog style pledge drive.
Is it 2 or more of them? Likely
And while I dont like the idea of not knowing who they are…the knowledge that they exist gives me solace.

Just my gut feeling but I feel like we're all about to be rewarded for the last decade plus of pain.

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$8 million/year for someone like Tosh, who is making $1.9M per year and at 44 despite having coached under Saban and Meyer has never had a HC offer before is beyond r3tarded, total bonehead move.

DeShaun Foster at UCLA was making $3M/year.

Pay Tosh $4M-5M and put a few millions more into the NIL and coaches salaries. If he doesn't take an offer like this, then at the very least all the BS about him and how he loves his alma mater should be thrown out.

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Foster was a bargain basement coach, similar to Wyking Jones at Cal (or 'Furd's new coach?). Nobody was excited with these hires and I guess you could say they performed to expectations.

All citing his salary shows us is that we would need to pay more than that.

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You do not make a coach a better choice by paying him more.

If we had paid Tom Holmoe $8 million he would still be Tom Holmoe. We would have been even less likely to move on from him to Tedford. That was a major issue with Wilcox: we were overpaying and overextending for the quality of coach we had. He came in at $1.9 million, that was roughly double his salary at Wisconsin? Most people will take a promotion that doubles their salary.

And if you are financially constrained paying him too much could very well make him "worse" by limiting the amount of money available for his staff and NIL to give him a good roster.

I don't know what size raise it would take to get Tosh to return to his beloved alma mater as head coach, but it is in everyone's interest, including his, to minimize it to make more money available for staff and NIL to bring in talent. That is if he wants to be successful, loves Cal and wants to have Cal winning at a high level versus just lining his own pocket in the short term. If he is successful, there will be more money available on the backend if we get the ACC incentives (from the shares we gave up), our share of ACC media revenues grows and from increased ticket sales and donations.

I was against this idea at first. But I believe in forgiveness and making a wrong a right. Tosh has been around some of the best programs in the country, and that SI article sold me. Remember, Tosh can recruit.

I was on this board when he was recruiting for another school and we were all pissed. Our recruiting class fell apart. Remember "Tosh's boat"? All of that was heartbreaking.

I'm all for this. I read somewhere that he said it's his dream job, and Lanning is endorsing him.

Down with a nasty cold, but my wife, twins, and a friend will be there. Go Bears!

01Bear said:

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BearForceOne said:

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What do people think about Chip Kelly? Would he be worth considering?

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The game's passed him by. Also, he hates recruiting. When he got to UCLA, the Bruins were stoked. At the end of his tenure, Bruins fans had turned against him. Kelly could not put a winning team on the field. Part of that was his disdain for recruiting and part if it was that the rest of the football world had caught up and adapted to his innovations from a decade ago. (Also, it can't be dismissed that Chip had lost his drive to excel and outcompete everyone else.)

In short, Chip is not going yo be able to turn Cal around. If anything, he's likely to make it worse (heck, he lost to Wilcox in his final game at the Rose Bowl!).

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UCLA should have kept Mora. He was a good coach at a time that the Pac-12 was incredibly tough.

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It just occurred to me that one very obvious name is missing from the coaching possibilities...Burl Toler Jr.

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Agreed. Toler could be a great head coach for Cal working with Rivera as GM. No one is more of a "Cal guy": born in Berkeley, son of Cal grads, dad played for Cal, grandfather played for USF and was the NFL's first African American ref… played on the great early Tedford teams… has been a long time college coach, including under Tedford at Fresno. Was Cal's best recruiter under Wilcox despite recruiting to horrific offenses. Incredibly high character guy.

He would also be Cal's first African American head football coach, which has been very successful 3 times now at rival Stanford over the last 40 years, delivering all of their Rose Bowls during that time, but is a glaring omission at Cal despite that barrier already being broken at many schools in the South.

Don't know the dynamics since Tosh and Burl were teammates (as was Desean though) and Tosh is clearly a candidate.

calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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Cal88 said:

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CNHTH said:

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Zooming out and looking at this holistically through a broader lens (both in terms of time going back 3 years and geography)…
I have full confidence that we have serious serious serious financial backing lurking in the shadows to not only afford us the ability to pay someone like Tosh 8 mil a year but also to field a roster comparable to anyone…
Between the UCI big ten stuff, Learfield, troutman, etc. there is something much larger than what I think most of us are aware of afoot here and I think it bodes well for us going forward because someone / something has shown serious interest in elevating this program.
Clearly Greg and Kevin and John likely know what / who that is and I would be remiss not to acknowledge the financial and logistical contributions each of them make to the cause which make an average Joe like me look like an impoverished ragamuffin…but I strongly suspect that whoever is lurking in the shadows is a much heavier hitter (financially) and is about to make their presence felt in a big big way…
You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster…
And you don't achieve that without the type of people who will cut a NON TAX DEDUCTABLE million dollar check at the drop of a dime during a spear of the moment walk a thon jog style pledge drive.
Is it 2 or more of them? Likely
And while I dont like the idea of not knowing who they are…the knowledge that they exist gives me solace.

Just my gut feeling but I feel like we're all about to be rewarded for the last decade plus of pain.

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$8 million/year for someone like Tosh, who is making $1.9M per year and at 44 despite having coached under Saban and Meyer has never had a HC offer before is beyond r3tarded, total bonehead move.

DeShaun Foster at UCLA was making $3M/year.

Pay Tosh $4M-5M and put a few millions more into the NIL and coaches salaries. If he doesn't take an offer like this, then at the very least all the BS about him and how he loves his alma mater should be thrown out.

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Foster was a bargain basement coach, similar to Wyking Jones at Cal (or 'Furd's new coach?). Nobody was excited with these hires and I guess you could say they performed to expectations.

All citing his salary shows us is that we would need to pay more than that.

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You do not make a coach a better choice by paying him more.

If we had paid Tom Holmoe $8 million he would still be Tom Holmoe. We would have been even less likely to move on from him to Tedford. That was a major issue with Wilcox: we were overpaying and overextending for the quality of coach we had. He came in at $1.9 million, that was roughly double his salary at Wisconsin? Most people will take a promotion that doubles their salary.

And if you are financially constrained paying him too much could very well make him "worse" by limiting the amount of money available for his staff and NIL to give him a good roster.

I don't know what size raise it would take to get Tosh to return to his beloved alma mater as head coach, but it is in everyone's interest, including his, to minimize it to make more money available for staff and NIL to bring in talent. That is if he wants to be successful, loves Cal and wants to have Cal winning at a high level versus just lining his own pocket in the short term. If he is successful, there will be more money available on the backend if we get the ACC incentives (from the shares we gave up), our share of ACC media revenues grows and from increased ticket sales and donations.

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When we hired Wyking Jones at $1 million/year, he was the lowest paid coach in the Pac 12. We got what we paid for. Paying him $2 million wouldn't have made him any better, but it might have gotten us Dennis Gates instead (if DG had already been an HC by then... I forget the timeline.)

Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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Cal88 said:

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CNHTH said:

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Zooming out and looking at this holistically through a broader lens (both in terms of time going back 3 years and geography)…
I have full confidence that we have serious serious serious financial backing lurking in the shadows to not only afford us the ability to pay someone like Tosh 8 mil a year but also to field a roster comparable to anyone…
Between the UCI big ten stuff, Learfield, troutman, etc. there is something much larger than what I think most of us are aware of afoot here and I think it bodes well for us going forward because someone / something has shown serious interest in elevating this program.
Clearly Greg and Kevin and John likely know what / who that is and I would be remiss not to acknowledge the financial and logistical contributions each of them make to the cause which make an average Joe like me look like an impoverished ragamuffin…but I strongly suspect that whoever is lurking in the shadows is a much heavier hitter (financially) and is about to make their presence felt in a big big way…
You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster…
And you don't achieve that without the type of people who will cut a NON TAX DEDUCTABLE million dollar check at the drop of a dime during a spear of the moment walk a thon jog style pledge drive.
Is it 2 or more of them? Likely
And while I dont like the idea of not knowing who they are…the knowledge that they exist gives me solace.

Just my gut feeling but I feel like we're all about to be rewarded for the last decade plus of pain.

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$8 million/year for someone like Tosh, who is making $1.9M per year and at 44 despite having coached under Saban and Meyer has never had a HC offer before is beyond r3tarded, total bonehead move.

DeShaun Foster at UCLA was making $3M/year.

Pay Tosh $4M-5M and put a few millions more into the NIL and coaches salaries. If he doesn't take an offer like this, then at the very least all the BS about him and how he loves his alma mater should be thrown out.

---

Foster was a bargain basement coach, similar to Wyking Jones at Cal (or 'Furd's new coach?). Nobody was excited with these hires and I guess you could say they performed to expectations.

All citing his salary shows us is that we would need to pay more than that.

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You do not make a coach a better choice by paying him more.

If we had paid Tom Holmoe $8 million he would still be Tom Holmoe. We would have been even less likely to move on from him to Tedford. That was a major issue with Wilcox: we were overpaying and overextending for the quality of coach we had. He came in at $1.9 million, that was roughly double his salary at Wisconsin? Most people will take a promotion that doubles their salary.

And if you are financially constrained paying him too much could very well make him "worse" by limiting the amount of money available for his staff and NIL to give him a good roster.

I don't know what size raise it would take to get Tosh to return to his beloved alma mater as head coach, but it is in everyone's interest, including his, to minimize it to make more money available for staff and NIL to bring in talent. That is if he wants to be successful, loves Cal and wants to have Cal winning at a high level versus just lining his own pocket in the short term. If he is successful, there will be more money available on the backend if we get the ACC incentives (from the shares we gave up), our share of ACC media revenues grows and from increased ticket sales and donations.

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When we hired Wyking Jones at $1 million/year, he was the lowest paid coach in the Pac 12. We got what we paid for. Paying him $2 million wouldn't have made him any better, but it might have gotten us Dennis Gates instead.

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We could have had Dennis Gates for $1 million at that time. Or two years later when we fired Jones and hired Fox (at just over $2 million?). We did not miss out on Dennis Gates for lack of money.

calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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Cal88 said:

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CNHTH said:

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Zooming out and looking at this holistically through a broader lens (both in terms of time going back 3 years and geography)…
I have full confidence that we have serious serious serious financial backing lurking in the shadows to not only afford us the ability to pay someone like Tosh 8 mil a year but also to field a roster comparable to anyone…
Between the UCI big ten stuff, Learfield, troutman, etc. there is something much larger than what I think most of us are aware of afoot here and I think it bodes well for us going forward because someone / something has shown serious interest in elevating this program.
Clearly Greg and Kevin and John likely know what / who that is and I would be remiss not to acknowledge the financial and logistical contributions each of them make to the cause which make an average Joe like me look like an impoverished ragamuffin…but I strongly suspect that whoever is lurking in the shadows is a much heavier hitter (financially) and is about to make their presence felt in a big big way…
You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster…
And you don't achieve that without the type of people who will cut a NON TAX DEDUCTABLE million dollar check at the drop of a dime during a spear of the moment walk a thon jog style pledge drive.
Is it 2 or more of them? Likely
And while I dont like the idea of not knowing who they are…the knowledge that they exist gives me solace.

Just my gut feeling but I feel like we're all about to be rewarded for the last decade plus of pain.

---

$8 million/year for someone like Tosh, who is making $1.9M per year and at 44 despite having coached under Saban and Meyer has never had a HC offer before is beyond r3tarded, total bonehead move.

DeShaun Foster at UCLA was making $3M/year.

Pay Tosh $4M-5M and put a few millions more into the NIL and coaches salaries. If he doesn't take an offer like this, then at the very least all the BS about him and how he loves his alma mater should be thrown out.

---

Foster was a bargain basement coach, similar to Wyking Jones at Cal (or 'Furd's new coach?). Nobody was excited with these hires and I guess you could say they performed to expectations.

All citing his salary shows us is that we would need to pay more than that.

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You do not make a coach a better choice by paying him more.

If we had paid Tom Holmoe $8 million he would still be Tom Holmoe. We would have been even less likely to move on from him to Tedford. That was a major issue with Wilcox: we were overpaying and overextending for the quality of coach we had. He came in at $1.9 million, that was roughly double his salary at Wisconsin? Most people will take a promotion that doubles their salary.

And if you are financially constrained paying him too much could very well make him "worse" by limiting the amount of money available for his staff and NIL to give him a good roster.

I don't know what size raise it would take to get Tosh to return to his beloved alma mater as head coach, but it is in everyone's interest, including his, to minimize it to make more money available for staff and NIL to bring in talent. That is if he wants to be successful, loves Cal and wants to have Cal winning at a high level versus just lining his own pocket in the short term. If he is successful, there will be more money available on the backend if we get the ACC incentives (from the shares we gave up), our share of ACC media revenues grows and from increased ticket sales and donations.

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When we hired Wyking Jones at $1 million/year, he was the lowest paid coach in the Pac 12. We got what we paid for. Paying him $2 million wouldn't have made him any better, but it might have gotten us Dennis Gates instead.

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We could have had Dennis Gates for $1 million at that time. Or two years later when we fired Jones and hired Fox (at just over $2 million?). We did not miss out on Dennis Gates for lack of money.

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Obviously a huge mistake to pass on Gates. I can't remember... if he was still an Assistant at the time of Wyking Jones' hire, yes, he might have come here for $1 million, but if he had already become a HC (was it Cleveland St?), then he and his agent would have thought they were being low-balled at that offer, even if it was a raise.

My point is, you can't tell a guy with a good resume, "We think you're The Guy. And we have so much confidence in you that we're offering you less than every other school in the conference!" That only works if the candidate is basically unqualified, like Wyking Jones or FUCLA's Foster.

Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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Cal88 said:

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CNHTH said:

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Zooming out and looking at this holistically through a broader lens (both in terms of time going back 3 years and geography)…
I have full confidence that we have serious serious serious financial backing lurking in the shadows to not only afford us the ability to pay someone like Tosh 8 mil a year but also to field a roster comparable to anyone…
Between the UCI big ten stuff, Learfield, troutman, etc. there is something much larger than what I think most of us are aware of afoot here and I think it bodes well for us going forward because someone / something has shown serious interest in elevating this program.
Clearly Greg and Kevin and John likely know what / who that is and I would be remiss not to acknowledge the financial and logistical contributions each of them make to the cause which make an average Joe like me look like an impoverished ragamuffin…but I strongly suspect that whoever is lurking in the shadows is a much heavier hitter (financially) and is about to make their presence felt in a big big way…
You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster…
And you don't achieve that without the type of people who will cut a NON TAX DEDUCTABLE million dollar check at the drop of a dime during a spear of the moment walk a thon jog style pledge drive.
Is it 2 or more of them? Likely
And while I dont like the idea of not knowing who they are…the knowledge that they exist gives me solace.

Just my gut feeling but I feel like we're all about to be rewarded for the last decade plus of pain.

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$8 million/year for someone like Tosh, who is making $1.9M per year and at 44 despite having coached under Saban and Meyer has never had a HC offer before is beyond r3tarded, total bonehead move.

DeShaun Foster at UCLA was making $3M/year.

Pay Tosh $4M-5M and put a few millions more into the NIL and coaches salaries. If he doesn't take an offer like this, then at the very least all the BS about him and how he loves his alma mater should be thrown out.

---

Foster was a bargain basement coach, similar to Wyking Jones at Cal (or 'Furd's new coach?). Nobody was excited with these hires and I guess you could say they performed to expectations.

All citing his salary shows us is that we would need to pay more than that.

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You do not make a coach a better choice by paying him more.

If we had paid Tom Holmoe $8 million he would still be Tom Holmoe. We would have been even less likely to move on from him to Tedford. That was a major issue with Wilcox: we were overpaying and overextending for the quality of coach we had. He came in at $1.9 million, that was roughly double his salary at Wisconsin? Most people will take a promotion that doubles their salary.

And if you are financially constrained paying him too much could very well make him "worse" by limiting the amount of money available for his staff and NIL to give him a good roster.

I don't know what size raise it would take to get Tosh to return to his beloved alma mater as head coach, but it is in everyone's interest, including his, to minimize it to make more money available for staff and NIL to bring in talent. That is if he wants to be successful, loves Cal and wants to have Cal winning at a high level versus just lining his own pocket in the short term. If he is successful, there will be more money available on the backend if we get the ACC incentives (from the shares we gave up), our share of ACC media revenues grows and from increased ticket sales and donations.

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When we hired Wyking Jones at $1 million/year, he was the lowest paid coach in the Pac 12. We got what we paid for. Paying him $2 million wouldn't have made him any better, but it might have gotten us Dennis Gates instead.

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We could have had Dennis Gates for $1 million at that time. Or two years later when we fired Jones and hired Fox (at just over $2 million?). We did not miss out on Dennis Gates for lack of money.

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Obviously a huge mistake to pass on Gates. I can't remember... if he was still an Assistant at the time of Wyking Jones' hire, yes, he might have come here for $1 million, but if he had already become a HC (was it Cleveland St?), then he and his agent would have thought they were being low-balled at that offer, even if it was a raise.

My point is, you can't tell a guy with a good resume, "We think you're The Guy. And we have so much confidence in you that we're offering you less than every other school in the conference!" That only works if the candidate is basically unqualified, like Wyking Jones or FUCLA's Foster.

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What was Tedford's initial contract? Was it a "prove it" contract or was it conference-competitive? (I honestly don't remember, so I'm asking in case others know.) The next HC should get the modern equivalent of Tedford's initial Cal contract, IMHO.

01Bear said:

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Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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Cal88 said:

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CNHTH said:

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Zooming out and looking at this holistically through a broader lens (both in terms of time going back 3 years and geography)…
I have full confidence that we have serious serious serious financial backing lurking in the shadows to not only afford us the ability to pay someone like Tosh 8 mil a year but also to field a roster comparable to anyone…
Between the UCI big ten stuff, Learfield, troutman, etc. there is something much larger than what I think most of us are aware of afoot here and I think it bodes well for us going forward because someone / something has shown serious interest in elevating this program.
Clearly Greg and Kevin and John likely know what / who that is and I would be remiss not to acknowledge the financial and logistical contributions each of them make to the cause which make an average Joe like me look like an impoverished ragamuffin…but I strongly suspect that whoever is lurking in the shadows is a much heavier hitter (financially) and is about to make their presence felt in a big big way…
You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster…
And you don't achieve that without the type of people who will cut a NON TAX DEDUCTABLE million dollar check at the drop of a dime during a spear of the moment walk a thon jog style pledge drive.
Is it 2 or more of them? Likely
And while I dont like the idea of not knowing who they are…the knowledge that they exist gives me solace.

Just my gut feeling but I feel like we're all about to be rewarded for the last decade plus of pain.

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$8 million/year for someone like Tosh, who is making $1.9M per year and at 44 despite having coached under Saban and Meyer has never had a HC offer before is beyond r3tarded, total bonehead move.

DeShaun Foster at UCLA was making $3M/year.

Pay Tosh $4M-5M and put a few millions more into the NIL and coaches salaries. If he doesn't take an offer like this, then at the very least all the BS about him and how he loves his alma mater should be thrown out.

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Foster was a bargain basement coach, similar to Wyking Jones at Cal (or 'Furd's new coach?). Nobody was excited with these hires and I guess you could say they performed to expectations.

All citing his salary shows us is that we would need to pay more than that.

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You do not make a coach a better choice by paying him more.

If we had paid Tom Holmoe $8 million he would still be Tom Holmoe. We would have been even less likely to move on from him to Tedford. That was a major issue with Wilcox: we were overpaying and overextending for the quality of coach we had. He came in at $1.9 million, that was roughly double his salary at Wisconsin? Most people will take a promotion that doubles their salary.

And if you are financially constrained paying him too much could very well make him "worse" by limiting the amount of money available for his staff and NIL to give him a good roster.

I don't know what size raise it would take to get Tosh to return to his beloved alma mater as head coach, but it is in everyone's interest, including his, to minimize it to make more money available for staff and NIL to bring in talent. That is if he wants to be successful, loves Cal and wants to have Cal winning at a high level versus just lining his own pocket in the short term. If he is successful, there will be more money available on the backend if we get the ACC incentives (from the shares we gave up), our share of ACC media revenues grows and from increased ticket sales and donations.

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When we hired Wyking Jones at $1 million/year, he was the lowest paid coach in the Pac 12. We got what we paid for. Paying him $2 million wouldn't have made him any better, but it might have gotten us Dennis Gates instead.

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We could have had Dennis Gates for $1 million at that time. Or two years later when we fired Jones and hired Fox (at just over $2 million?). We did not miss out on Dennis Gates for lack of money.

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Obviously a huge mistake to pass on Gates. I can't remember... if he was still an Assistant at the time of Wyking Jones' hire, yes, he might have come here for $1 million, but if he had already become a HC (was it Cleveland St?), then he and his agent would have thought they were being low-balled at that offer, even if it was a raise.

My point is, you can't tell a guy with a good resume, "We think you're The Guy. And we have so much confidence in you that we're offering you less than every other school in the conference!" That only works if the candidate is basically unqualified, like Wyking Jones or FUCLA's Foster.

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What was Tedford's initial contract? Was it a "prove it" contract or was it conference-competitive? (I honestly don't remember, so I'm asking in case others know.) The next HC should get the modern equivalent of Tedford's initial Cal contract, IMHO.

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Tedford's base salary in 2003 was $750,000. After the 2004 season, we doubled it.

https://newsarchive.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/12/06_tedford.shtml

jy1988 said:

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It just occurred to me that one very obvious name is missing from the coaching possibilities...Burl Toler Jr.

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*burl Toler jr jr
Aka burl Toler the third

And yes he should be at the very least back on staff

calumnus said:

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01Bear said:

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Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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Cal88 said:

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CNHTH said:

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Zooming out and looking at this holistically through a broader lens (both in terms of time going back 3 years and geography)…
I have full confidence that we have serious serious serious financial backing lurking in the shadows to not only afford us the ability to pay someone like Tosh 8 mil a year but also to field a roster comparable to anyone…
Between the UCI big ten stuff, Learfield, troutman, etc. there is something much larger than what I think most of us are aware of afoot here and I think it bodes well for us going forward because someone / something has shown serious interest in elevating this program.
Clearly Greg and Kevin and John likely know what / who that is and I would be remiss not to acknowledge the financial and logistical contributions each of them make to the cause which make an average Joe like me look like an impoverished ragamuffin…but I strongly suspect that whoever is lurking in the shadows is a much heavier hitter (financially) and is about to make their presence felt in a big big way…
You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster…
And you don't achieve that without the type of people who will cut a NON TAX DEDUCTABLE million dollar check at the drop of a dime during a spear of the moment walk a thon jog style pledge drive.
Is it 2 or more of them? Likely
And while I dont like the idea of not knowing who they are…the knowledge that they exist gives me solace.

Just my gut feeling but I feel like we're all about to be rewarded for the last decade plus of pain.

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$8 million/year for someone like Tosh, who is making $1.9M per year and at 44 despite having coached under Saban and Meyer has never had a HC offer before is beyond r3tarded, total bonehead move.

DeShaun Foster at UCLA was making $3M/year.

Pay Tosh $4M-5M and put a few millions more into the NIL and coaches salaries. If he doesn't take an offer like this, then at the very least all the BS about him and how he loves his alma mater should be thrown out.

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Foster was a bargain basement coach, similar to Wyking Jones at Cal (or 'Furd's new coach?). Nobody was excited with these hires and I guess you could say they performed to expectations.

All citing his salary shows us is that we would need to pay more than that.

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You do not make a coach a better choice by paying him more.

If we had paid Tom Holmoe $8 million he would still be Tom Holmoe. We would have been even less likely to move on from him to Tedford. That was a major issue with Wilcox: we were overpaying and overextending for the quality of coach we had. He came in at $1.9 million, that was roughly double his salary at Wisconsin? Most people will take a promotion that doubles their salary.

And if you are financially constrained paying him too much could very well make him "worse" by limiting the amount of money available for his staff and NIL to give him a good roster.

I don't know what size raise it would take to get Tosh to return to his beloved alma mater as head coach, but it is in everyone's interest, including his, to minimize it to make more money available for staff and NIL to bring in talent. That is if he wants to be successful, loves Cal and wants to have Cal winning at a high level versus just lining his own pocket in the short term. If he is successful, there will be more money available on the backend if we get the ACC incentives (from the shares we gave up), our share of ACC media revenues grows and from increased ticket sales and donations.

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When we hired Wyking Jones at $1 million/year, he was the lowest paid coach in the Pac 12. We got what we paid for. Paying him $2 million wouldn't have made him any better, but it might have gotten us Dennis Gates instead.

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We could have had Dennis Gates for $1 million at that time. Or two years later when we fired Jones and hired Fox (at just over $2 million?). We did not miss out on Dennis Gates for lack of money.

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Obviously a huge mistake to pass on Gates. I can't remember... if he was still an Assistant at the time of Wyking Jones' hire, yes, he might have come here for $1 million, but if he had already become a HC (was it Cleveland St?), then he and his agent would have thought they were being low-balled at that offer, even if it was a raise.

My point is, you can't tell a guy with a good resume, "We think you're The Guy. And we have so much confidence in you that we're offering you less than every other school in the conference!" That only works if the candidate is basically unqualified, like Wyking Jones or FUCLA's Foster.

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What was Tedford's initial contract? Was it a "prove it" contract or was it conference-competitive? (I honestly don't remember, so I'm asking in case others know.) The next HC should get the modern equivalent of Tedford's initial Cal contract, IMHO.

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Tedford's base salary in 2003 was $750,000. After the 2004 season, we doubled it.

https://newsarchive.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/12/06_tedford.shtml

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That was pretty much a "prove it" salary, correct?

01Bear said:

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calumnus said:

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01Bear said:

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Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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Cal88 said:

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CNHTH said:

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Zooming out and looking at this holistically through a broader lens (both in terms of time going back 3 years and geography)…
I have full confidence that we have serious serious serious financial backing lurking in the shadows to not only afford us the ability to pay someone like Tosh 8 mil a year but also to field a roster comparable to anyone…
Between the UCI big ten stuff, Learfield, troutman, etc. there is something much larger than what I think most of us are aware of afoot here and I think it bodes well for us going forward because someone / something has shown serious interest in elevating this program.
Clearly Greg and Kevin and John likely know what / who that is and I would be remiss not to acknowledge the financial and logistical contributions each of them make to the cause which make an average Joe like me look like an impoverished ragamuffin…but I strongly suspect that whoever is lurking in the shadows is a much heavier hitter (financially) and is about to make their presence felt in a big big way…
You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster…
And you don't achieve that without the type of people who will cut a NON TAX DEDUCTABLE million dollar check at the drop of a dime during a spear of the moment walk a thon jog style pledge drive.
Is it 2 or more of them? Likely
And while I dont like the idea of not knowing who they are…the knowledge that they exist gives me solace.

Just my gut feeling but I feel like we're all about to be rewarded for the last decade plus of pain.

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$8 million/year for someone like Tosh, who is making $1.9M per year and at 44 despite having coached under Saban and Meyer has never had a HC offer before is beyond r3tarded, total bonehead move.

DeShaun Foster at UCLA was making $3M/year.

Pay Tosh $4M-5M and put a few millions more into the NIL and coaches salaries. If he doesn't take an offer like this, then at the very least all the BS about him and how he loves his alma mater should be thrown out.

---

Foster was a bargain basement coach, similar to Wyking Jones at Cal (or 'Furd's new coach?). Nobody was excited with these hires and I guess you could say they performed to expectations.

All citing his salary shows us is that we would need to pay more than that.

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You do not make a coach a better choice by paying him more.

If we had paid Tom Holmoe $8 million he would still be Tom Holmoe. We would have been even less likely to move on from him to Tedford. That was a major issue with Wilcox: we were overpaying and overextending for the quality of coach we had. He came in at $1.9 million, that was roughly double his salary at Wisconsin? Most people will take a promotion that doubles their salary.

And if you are financially constrained paying him too much could very well make him "worse" by limiting the amount of money available for his staff and NIL to give him a good roster.

I don't know what size raise it would take to get Tosh to return to his beloved alma mater as head coach, but it is in everyone's interest, including his, to minimize it to make more money available for staff and NIL to bring in talent. That is if he wants to be successful, loves Cal and wants to have Cal winning at a high level versus just lining his own pocket in the short term. If he is successful, there will be more money available on the backend if we get the ACC incentives (from the shares we gave up), our share of ACC media revenues grows and from increased ticket sales and donations.

---

When we hired Wyking Jones at $1 million/year, he was the lowest paid coach in the Pac 12. We got what we paid for. Paying him $2 million wouldn't have made him any better, but it might have gotten us Dennis Gates instead.

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We could have had Dennis Gates for $1 million at that time. Or two years later when we fired Jones and hired Fox (at just over $2 million?). We did not miss out on Dennis Gates for lack of money.

---

Obviously a huge mistake to pass on Gates. I can't remember... if he was still an Assistant at the time of Wyking Jones' hire, yes, he might have come here for $1 million, but if he had already become a HC (was it Cleveland St?), then he and his agent would have thought they were being low-balled at that offer, even if it was a raise.

My point is, you can't tell a guy with a good resume, "We think you're The Guy. And we have so much confidence in you that we're offering you less than every other school in the conference!" That only works if the candidate is basically unqualified, like Wyking Jones or FUCLA's Foster.

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What was Tedford's initial contract? Was it a "prove it" contract or was it conference-competitive? (I honestly don't remember, so I'm asking in case others know.) The next HC should get the modern equivalent of Tedford's initial Cal contract, IMHO.

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Tedford's base salary in 2003 was $750,000. After the 2004 season, we doubled it.

https://newsarchive.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/12/06_tedford.shtml

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That was pretty much a "prove it" salary, correct?

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It was a "market value" salary for a new coach in the Pac 10 who had not been a college HC before. If he had been HC at Oregon, instead of OC, he would have commanded more. If Tedford the OC had been moving "up" to HC at, say San Jose State, he would have been paid less.

Big C said:

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01Bear said:

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calumnus said:

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01Bear said:

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Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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Cal88 said:

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CNHTH said:

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Zooming out and looking at this holistically through a broader lens (both in terms of time going back 3 years and geography)…
I have full confidence that we have serious serious serious financial backing lurking in the shadows to not only afford us the ability to pay someone like Tosh 8 mil a year but also to field a roster comparable to anyone…
Between the UCI big ten stuff, Learfield, troutman, etc. there is something much larger than what I think most of us are aware of afoot here and I think it bodes well for us going forward because someone / something has shown serious interest in elevating this program.
Clearly Greg and Kevin and John likely know what / who that is and I would be remiss not to acknowledge the financial and logistical contributions each of them make to the cause which make an average Joe like me look like an impoverished ragamuffin…but I strongly suspect that whoever is lurking in the shadows is a much heavier hitter (financially) and is about to make their presence felt in a big big way…
You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster…
And you don't achieve that without the type of people who will cut a NON TAX DEDUCTABLE million dollar check at the drop of a dime during a spear of the moment walk a thon jog style pledge drive.
Is it 2 or more of them? Likely
And while I dont like the idea of not knowing who they are…the knowledge that they exist gives me solace.

Just my gut feeling but I feel like we're all about to be rewarded for the last decade plus of pain.

---

$8 million/year for someone like Tosh, who is making $1.9M per year and at 44 despite having coached under Saban and Meyer has never had a HC offer before is beyond r3tarded, total bonehead move.

DeShaun Foster at UCLA was making $3M/year.

Pay Tosh $4M-5M and put a few millions more into the NIL and coaches salaries. If he doesn't take an offer like this, then at the very least all the BS about him and how he loves his alma mater should be thrown out.

---

Foster was a bargain basement coach, similar to Wyking Jones at Cal (or 'Furd's new coach?). Nobody was excited with these hires and I guess you could say they performed to expectations.

All citing his salary shows us is that we would need to pay more than that.

---

You do not make a coach a better choice by paying him more.

If we had paid Tom Holmoe $8 million he would still be Tom Holmoe. We would have been even less likely to move on from him to Tedford. That was a major issue with Wilcox: we were overpaying and overextending for the quality of coach we had. He came in at $1.9 million, that was roughly double his salary at Wisconsin? Most people will take a promotion that doubles their salary.

And if you are financially constrained paying him too much could very well make him "worse" by limiting the amount of money available for his staff and NIL to give him a good roster.

I don't know what size raise it would take to get Tosh to return to his beloved alma mater as head coach, but it is in everyone's interest, including his, to minimize it to make more money available for staff and NIL to bring in talent. That is if he wants to be successful, loves Cal and wants to have Cal winning at a high level versus just lining his own pocket in the short term. If he is successful, there will be more money available on the backend if we get the ACC incentives (from the shares we gave up), our share of ACC media revenues grows and from increased ticket sales and donations.

---

When we hired Wyking Jones at $1 million/year, he was the lowest paid coach in the Pac 12. We got what we paid for. Paying him $2 million wouldn't have made him any better, but it might have gotten us Dennis Gates instead.

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We could have had Dennis Gates for $1 million at that time. Or two years later when we fired Jones and hired Fox (at just over $2 million?). We did not miss out on Dennis Gates for lack of money.

---

Obviously a huge mistake to pass on Gates. I can't remember... if he was still an Assistant at the time of Wyking Jones' hire, yes, he might have come here for $1 million, but if he had already become a HC (was it Cleveland St?), then he and his agent would have thought they were being low-balled at that offer, even if it was a raise.

My point is, you can't tell a guy with a good resume, "We think you're The Guy. And we have so much confidence in you that we're offering you less than every other school in the conference!" That only works if the candidate is basically unqualified, like Wyking Jones or FUCLA's Foster.

---

What was Tedford's initial contract? Was it a "prove it" contract or was it conference-competitive? (I honestly don't remember, so I'm asking in case others know.) The next HC should get the modern equivalent of Tedford's initial Cal contract, IMHO.

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Tedford's base salary in 2003 was $750,000. After the 2004 season, we doubled it.

https://newsarchive.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/12/06_tedford.shtml

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That was pretty much a "prove it" salary, correct?

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It was a "market value" salary for a new coach in the Pac 10 who had not been a college HC before. If he had been HC at Oregon, instead of OC, he would have commanded more. If Tedford the OC had been moving "up" to HC at, say San Jose State, he would have been paid less.

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Exactly, and after his great 2004 season and he was a proven commodity wanted by others, we doubled it. It is the smart way to hire a first time HC.

And Wilcox at $1.9 million in 2017 was essentially the same. The issue was Knowlton giving him big raises and extending him while he was finishing in the bottom of the conference every year, hoping he would become a good coach or thinking he somehow already was.

Big C said:

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01Bear said:

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calumnus said:

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01Bear said:

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Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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Cal88 said:

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CNHTH said:

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Zooming out and looking at this holistically through a broader lens (both in terms of time going back 3 years and geography)…
I have full confidence that we have serious serious serious financial backing lurking in the shadows to not only afford us the ability to pay someone like Tosh 8 mil a year but also to field a roster comparable to anyone…
Between the UCI big ten stuff, Learfield, troutman, etc. there is something much larger than what I think most of us are aware of afoot here and I think it bodes well for us going forward because someone / something has shown serious interest in elevating this program.
Clearly Greg and Kevin and John likely know what / who that is and I would be remiss not to acknowledge the financial and logistical contributions each of them make to the cause which make an average Joe like me look like an impoverished ragamuffin…but I strongly suspect that whoever is lurking in the shadows is a much heavier hitter (financially) and is about to make their presence felt in a big big way…
You don't pay a guy like tosh 8 mil a year to field an average roster…
And you don't achieve that without the type of people who will cut a NON TAX DEDUCTABLE million dollar check at the drop of a dime during a spear of the moment walk a thon jog style pledge drive.
Is it 2 or more of them? Likely
And while I dont like the idea of not knowing who they are…the knowledge that they exist gives me solace.

Just my gut feeling but I feel like we're all about to be rewarded for the last decade plus of pain.

---

$8 million/year for someone like Tosh, who is making $1.9M per year and at 44 despite having coached under Saban and Meyer has never had a HC offer before is beyond r3tarded, total bonehead move.

DeShaun Foster at UCLA was making $3M/year.

Pay Tosh $4M-5M and put a few millions more into the NIL and coaches salaries. If he doesn't take an offer like this, then at the very least all the BS about him and how he loves his alma mater should be thrown out.

---

Foster was a bargain basement coach, similar to Wyking Jones at Cal (or 'Furd's new coach?). Nobody was excited with these hires and I guess you could say they performed to expectations.

All citing his salary shows us is that we would need to pay more than that.

---

You do not make a coach a better choice by paying him more.

If we had paid Tom Holmoe $8 million he would still be Tom Holmoe. We would have been even less likely to move on from him to Tedford. That was a major issue with Wilcox: we were overpaying and overextending for the quality of coach we had. He came in at $1.9 million, that was roughly double his salary at Wisconsin? Most people will take a promotion that doubles their salary.

And if you are financially constrained paying him too much could very well make him "worse" by limiting the amount of money available for his staff and NIL to give him a good roster.

I don't know what size raise it would take to get Tosh to return to his beloved alma mater as head coach, but it is in everyone's interest, including his, to minimize it to make more money available for staff and NIL to bring in talent. That is if he wants to be successful, loves Cal and wants to have Cal winning at a high level versus just lining his own pocket in the short term. If he is successful, there will be more money available on the backend if we get the ACC incentives (from the shares we gave up), our share of ACC media revenues grows and from increased ticket sales and donations.

---

When we hired Wyking Jones at $1 million/year, he was the lowest paid coach in the Pac 12. We got what we paid for. Paying him $2 million wouldn't have made him any better, but it might have gotten us Dennis Gates instead.

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We could have had Dennis Gates for $1 million at that time. Or two years later when we fired Jones and hired Fox (at just over $2 million?). We did not miss out on Dennis Gates for lack of money.

---

Obviously a huge mistake to pass on Gates. I can't remember... if he was still an Assistant at the time of Wyking Jones' hire, yes, he might have come here for $1 million, but if he had already become a HC (was it Cleveland St?), then he and his agent would have thought they were being low-balled at that offer, even if it was a raise.

My point is, you can't tell a guy with a good resume, "We think you're The Guy. And we have so much confidence in you that we're offering you less than every other school in the conference!" That only works if the candidate is basically unqualified, like Wyking Jones or FUCLA's Foster.

---

What was Tedford's initial contract? Was it a "prove it" contract or was it conference-competitive? (I honestly don't remember, so I'm asking in case others know.) The next HC should get the modern equivalent of Tedford's initial Cal contract, IMHO.

---

Tedford's base salary in 2003 was $750,000. After the 2004 season, we doubled it.

https://newsarchive.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/12/06_tedford.shtml

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That was pretty much a "prove it" salary, correct?

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It was a "market value" salary for a new coach in the Pac 10 who had not been a college HC before. If he had been HC at Oregon, instead of OC, he would have commanded more. If Tedford the OC had been moving "up" to HC at, say San Jose State, he would have been paid less.

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Exactly, it was market rate for a coordinator getting his first coaching position (at a P5). It wasn't a contract that overpaid Tedford, but paid him enough to "prove" he had the goods, at which point the school promptly extended him a better contract. There's no reason Cal shouldn't do the same thing here if it promotes an unproven coordinator to HC.