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How important is today's game for deciding whether Rolovich should be our next HC? What would need to happen on the field and in the locker room to tilt the scales in his favor?

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Eh, I think there is too much baggage....

Remember, Rivera and Rolovich will have to be on the same page and work together closely. And I don't see that happening.

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A non-issue in 2025, and Rivera has to be on the same page as Rolo, not you. They have been co-workers for an entire season already.

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What I'm trying to say that the article linked above and his engagement with conspiracy theories could be a problem in the future.

Heck, Justin Wilcox might be the same way. Perhaps every head coach is the same way. But Rolovich was public about it.

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What conspiracy theories did he engage with? The article doesn't reference any.

And for the record, Rolo would not be my first choice for head coach, but he'd be a decent fall back option if Cal can't reach agreement with other options.

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https://sports.yahoo.com/immunologist-now-fired-wsu-coach-nick-rolovich-asked-me-if-bill-gates-was-involved-in-covid-19-vaccine-125222760.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAC-YswWRFE4ViEWQPVT1sAVL_ASXLkWG9ttor1-4hlkBGsWULh9IcMoo28WKtl6gk5i_G-R1BnRKAw3psbH5hChbECF9qKDZlEEYAC1MN4b3kRgBVjWboJs-fz_G48qWs0e5011LYwqBLw031YUoWCnIDZIjgvnfdSjdY_Ytk7Pn

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I have no problem with a person being skeptical and asking professionals questions about an emerging pandemic and the surrounding (mis)information - that is actually what all of us should have been doing more of during the pandemic. If questioning authority/prevailing thought (something Berkeley is very much known for) is regarded by some as "engaging with conspiracy theories" then so be it.

People seem to forget there was a tremendous amount of misinformation spread by those in authority regarding COVID, including the false claim that the vax prevented a person from getting covid again/spreading the virus and the false claim that there were no side effects.

Here is the actual article where the WSU virologist Guy Palmer is quoted extensively. I think its fair to say some of Palmer's claims don't hold up particularly well ("the COVID vaccines are among the most studied and scrutinized in human history").

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32459767/inside-nick-rolovich-downfall-washington-state-covid-19-vaccine

There is no evidence Rolo is outside the mainstream on most issues, or for that matter with respect to COVID given what we know today (i.e., many concerns about the vax were shown to be true). This is only a "problem in the future" (your words) for people who view this in a political lens.

The Woods situation was pretty complicated and ultimately, Woods was upset that he could not opt out of the season (due to health/sickle cell concerns) and remain with the team for activities. Rolo did express a seemingly off base concern that the player might be sitting out for political, rather than health reasons.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29592558/washington-state-ad-says-kassidy-woods-removal-team-activities-not-linked-pac-12-unity-group

As we saw tonight, Rolo is a good coach and has the trust of his players. If he's not at Cal, he'll land somewhere else.

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The second article shows you how Chun, WSU's AD, was doing damage control for Rolo who clearly said on the taped converse thst he had no issue with sitting out for COVID but he instead had an issue, and dismissed him from the team, for being part of the Unity movement. It was a big part of the reason Chun fired Rolovich: he saw him as a liability and a dimb a**. The vaccine issue was part of state policy and was the proximate reason for firing him, but if Chun and WSU really wanted Rolovich, they would have tried to figure out a way to keep him.

And normally having sued your last employer for $25 million is a concern for your next employer. Especially if the exact same things are even more likely to happen in Berkeley than in Pullman.

Anyway, I like Rolo, I think he is a good guy and a lot of what he did was just due to ignorance and a bit of stupidity, not malice. I would not be upset if he is the HC or OC next year if that means Sagapolutele stays. I just think we can't sweep what happened at WSU under the rug.

Moreover, I want a HC who can sell Cal as a center of scientific learning and social justice to the top recruits that care about these things and fit our academic profile.

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Please link the transcript of the taped conversation. Thanks.

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It is part of the complaint:
https://interactive.krem.com/pdf/KassidyWoods.pdf

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When Woods told Rolo he was opting out of the season:

"OK so that's going to be, that's gonna be an issue if you align with
them as far as future stuff, cause the COVID stuff is one thing . . . But,
um, joining this group is gonna put you on a, on a that's
obviously, you know, you get to keep your scholarship this year,
but it it's gonna be different. You know, if you, if you say, 'I'm
opting out 'cause of COVID and health and safety,' I'm good. But this
group is gonna change, uh, I guess, how things go in the future for
everybody, at least at our school."

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Are there any Black candidates for the job besides DJax?

I would personally prefer Desean, or Rolo for that matter, over Tosh.

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Same.

Logic flaw #1.

The #1 argument anyone ever makes for Tosh is his recruiting skill... in a world where money matters more than charisma now in recruiting.

People keep making this argument over and over and over again, assuming we have the same warchest as an Alabama or Oregon. Situational context.

Tosh can be successful with money at a big program. At Cal?

This is logic flaw #2.

At a Virginia Tech or other schools in middle America, football is all anyone cares about.

Do we have wealthier grads and alumni? Absolutely.

But, for those of us who have wealthy friends here... we know that the money isn't going to football, it's being spent by the wives (not the husbands) going to these wacky NGOs for any number of left wing causes.

That's their choice, but it isn't football.

Look, once Tosh is announced, I'll not post too negatively about him as he'll officially be our HC.

Further, I don't really view our football outcomes as deterministic, it's more of a probability distribution in my view. It's just that, from a fit to Cal HC role perspective, I just don't think he gives us the highest probability of best outcomes.

Hope he does well, though, as it's sounding more and more like it's already locked in and the word has been sent out to all the media to position him positively.

Nobody cares about vaccines least of all football players

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What I'm trying to say that the article linked above and his engagement with conspiracy theories could be a problem in the future.

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Cal is the "Marketplace of Ideas." We've had professors who've held controversial views. As long as he doesn't attempt to force those views on players ("force" as opposed to "express") and understands that that those views will be subject to rigorous critical rebuttal, let him coach.

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He kicked Kassidy Woods off the team for his political views (COVID is real and dangerous, pro NIL, pro Black Lives Matter) Not only took away his scholarship and meal plan, but kicked him off team communications and told the team to shun him. Go see an interview with Kassidy, he is a smart, likable kid, a protypical Cal student athlete in that regard.

Rolovich is a likable guy. I like him, He seems to care about the kids (other than the example above). He is goofy. He has a sense of humor. He is not well educated and has some uninformed opinions. If the next coach hires him as OC and he just focuses on that, great. However he is just not the guy to be the face of Cal football. He also needs oversight.

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Assuming everything you say is true, unless it happened this past week, it's on Wilcox. Oversight of assistants is 100% the responsibility of the HC. The story you tell there conveys that Wilcox had either granted his assistants too much control or that he had not laid down boundaries of what constituted proper grounds for dismissal from the team.

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No, it happened when Rolovich was HC at WSU.
Woods recorded the phone call. He had the emails. Woods sued Rolovich and WSU as a result. Rolovich was fired primarily for his vaccine refusal but the lawsuit from one of his players contributed.

Then Rolovich sued the university for $25 million himself for wrongful termination. And no other program has touched him as a result until Wilcox brought him in this year.

What I was saying is Cassidy Woods could have easily been a Cal student athlete in his intelligence and desire to be more on campus and in the world than just an athlete. Cal needs to be seen the single best place for athletes like him. It is our comparative advantage, but only if we have coaches that recruit on that basis, not kick players off the team for it.

If Rolovich gets that now, then great. I still think others could better recruit nationally to Cal. If Rolovich as OC is the new HC's choice and that keeps Sagapolutele in the fold, great. As I said, I like the guy and I like our connections yo Hawaii, but we need. Lot more than that to compete for the ACC title next year.

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Ok, first my apology for misunderstanding the story.

Second, do we know how either lawsuit turned out, or were either/both settled on undisclosed terms?

I think Rivera and possibly Lyons would make clear that this is Cal and coaching here means tolerance of a wide diversity of opinion. I doubt he will end up as HC, but if he does, that's a level of oversight Rolo would have to deal with.

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How important is today's game for deciding whether Rolovich should be our next HC? What would need to happen on the field and in the locker room to tilt the scales in his favor?

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Eh, I think there is too much baggage....

Remember, Rivera and Rolovich will have to be on the same page and work together closely. And I don't see that happening.

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A non-issue in 2025, and Rivera has to be on the same page as Rolo, not you. They have been co-workers for an entire season already.

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What I'm trying to say that the article linked above and his engagement with conspiracy theories could be a problem in the future.

Heck, Justin Wilcox might be the same way. Perhaps every head coach is the same way. But Rolovich was public about it.

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What conspiracy theories did he engage with? The article doesn't reference any.

And for the record, Rolo would not be my first choice for head coach, but he'd be a decent fall back option if Cal can't reach agreement with other options.

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https://sports.yahoo.com/immunologist-now-fired-wsu-coach-nick-rolovich-asked-me-if-bill-gates-was-involved-in-covid-19-vaccine-125222760.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAC-YswWRFE4ViEWQPVT1sAVL_ASXLkWG9ttor1-4hlkBGsWULh9IcMoo28WKtl6gk5i_G-R1BnRKAw3psbH5hChbECF9qKDZlEEYAC1MN4b3kRgBVjWboJs-fz_G48qWs0e5011LYwqBLw031YUoWCnIDZIjgvnfdSjdY_Ytk7Pn

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I have no problem with a person being skeptical and asking professionals questions about an emerging pandemic and the surrounding (mis)information - that is actually what all of us should have been doing more of during the pandemic. If questioning authority/prevailing thought (something Berkeley is very much known for) is regarded by some as "engaging with conspiracy theories" then so be it.

People seem to forget there was a tremendous amount of misinformation spread by those in authority regarding COVID, including the false claim that the vax prevented a person from getting covid again/spreading the virus and the false claim that there were no side effects.

Here is the actual article where the WSU virologist Guy Palmer is quoted extensively. I think its fair to say some of Palmer's claims don't hold up particularly well ("the COVID vaccines are among the most studied and scrutinized in human history").

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32459767/inside-nick-rolovich-downfall-washington-state-covid-19-vaccine

There is no evidence Rolo is outside the mainstream on most issues, or for that matter with respect to COVID given what we know today (i.e., many concerns about the vax were shown to be true). This is only a "problem in the future" (your words) for people who view this in a political lens.

The Woods situation was pretty complicated and ultimately, Woods was upset that he could not opt out of the season (due to health/sickle cell concerns) and remain with the team for activities. Rolo did express a seemingly off base concern that the player might be sitting out for political, rather than health reasons.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29592558/washington-state-ad-says-kassidy-woods-removal-team-activities-not-linked-pac-12-unity-group

As we saw tonight, Rolo is a good coach and has the trust of his players. If he's not at Cal, he'll land somewhere else.

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The second article shows you how Chun, WSU's AD, was doing damage control for Rolo who clearly said on the taped converse thst he had no issue with sitting out for COVID but he instead had an issue, and dismissed him from the team, for being part of the Unity movement. It was a big part of the reason Chun fired Rolovich: he saw him as a liability and a dimb a**. The vaccine issue was part of state policy and was the proximate reason for firing him, but if Chun and WSU really wanted Rolovich, they would have tried to figure out a way to keep him.

And normally having sued your last employer for $25 million is a concern for your next employer. Especially if the exact same things are even more likely to happen in Berkeley than in Pullman.

Anyway, I like Rolo, I think he is a good guy and a lot of what he did was just due to ignorance and a bit of stupidity, not malice. I would not be upset if he is the HC or OC next year if that means Sagapolutele stays. I just think we can't sweep what happened at WSU under the rug.

Moreover, I want a HC who can sell Cal as a center of scientific learning and social justice to the top recruits that care about these things and fit our academic profile.

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Please link the transcript of the taped conversation. Thanks.

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It is part of the complaint:
https://interactive.krem.com/pdf/KassidyWoods.pdf

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When Woods told Rolo he was opting out of the season:

"OK so that's going to be, that's gonna be an issue if you align with
them as far as future stuff, cause the COVID stuff is one thing . . . But,
um, joining this group is gonna put you on a, on a that's
obviously, you know, you get to keep your scholarship this year,
but it it's gonna be different. You know, if you, if you say, 'I'm
opting out 'cause of COVID and health and safety,' I'm good. But this
group is gonna change, uh, I guess, how things go in the future for
everybody, at least at our school."

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To be clear, isn't he saying that the University supports health and safety concerns for opting out but it would be unprecedented (per their position) to "advocate" political groups/positions by way of still allowing Kassidy to participate in team activities if the opt out were tied to these alliances by the student? The text makes him sound inarticulate about this because it seems obvious by virtue of the players stance that Rolo knows the message will likely be an issue with this player. I think to his credit he does not sound like a man who is thrilled to tell Kassidy this.

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Arguably the two most impactful biomedical advances in the last few decades, CRISPR genome editing and cancer immunotherapy, were developed at Cal. I'm not sure that someone with Rolo's anti-science views on vaccines is the kind of representative we should have for the face of the Cal football program.

I'm hoping Rivera might use his NFL connections to find an NFL assistant coach ready to be Cal's next head football coach. It's kind of surprising to me that Cal has never had a Black head football coach. Maybe it's time?

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Rolo doesn't have anti-science views on vaccines. He just didn't want to take the experimental covid mrna vaccine.

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The vaccine wasn't experimental. It had been shown to be safe and effective in many people. It wasn't a new technology. The vaccine was taken more out of concern for the elderly and immunocompromised than for self-interest, aiming to reduce their risk by lowering the circulating virus levels.

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Arguably the two most impactful biomedical advances in the last few decades, CRISPR genome editing and cancer immunotherapy, were developed at Cal. I'm not sure that someone with Rolo's anti-science views on vaccines is the kind of representative we should have for the face of the Cal football program.

I'm hoping Rivera might use his NFL connections to find an NFL assistant coach ready to be Cal's next head football coach. It's kind of surprising to me that Cal has never had a Black head football coach. Maybe it's time?

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Rolo doesn't have anti-science views on vaccines. He just didn't want to take the experimental covid mrna vaccine.

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The vaccine wasn't experimental. It had been shown to be safe and effective in many people. It wasn't a new technology. The vaccine was taken more out of concern for the elderly and immunocompromised than for self-interest, aiming to reduce their risk by lowering the circulating virus levels.

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The covid mrna vaccine was the first mrna vaccine ever approved for widespread use for humans. It was also developed and approved at a pace 5x faster than a typical vaccine. Several serious side effects noted during trials were ignored because of the need for a vaccine to combat the pandemic.

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Arguably the two most impactful biomedical advances in the last few decades, CRISPR genome editing and cancer immunotherapy, were developed at Cal. I'm not sure that someone with Rolo's anti-science views on vaccines is the kind of representative we should have for the face of the Cal football program.

I'm hoping Rivera might use his NFL connections to find an NFL assistant coach ready to be Cal's next head football coach. It's kind of surprising to me that Cal has never had a Black head football coach. Maybe it's time?

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Rolo doesn't have anti-science views on vaccines. He just didn't want to take the experimental covid mrna vaccine.

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True that. And in case people arent paying attention many things pharma companies release to the market are dangerous (not unsafe, dangerous) to many sub segments of the population. Many of those dangers are known through testing. But because as a practical matter they have finite testing at the time of release there are unknowns. That's why they continue to track reporting on all drugs in market. The covid VAX was released via emergency use exception, limited review.

To summarize for people show still dont get this. Trusting the concept of the scientific method and trusting commercialized biologics are not the same thing by a long shot, regardless of conspiracy clouds created around them.

There is some sunk cost fallacy at work, because one would say clean house of you have to pay the former HC millions of dollars.

Rolo and the current coordinators won against SMU.

Bringing in someone new, that's going to be be sweeping change. Don't know for the better.

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Arguably the two most impactful biomedical advances in the last few decades, CRISPR genome editing and cancer immunotherapy, were developed at Cal. I'm not sure that someone with Rolo's anti-science views on vaccines is the kind of representative we should have for the face of the Cal football program.

I'm hoping Rivera might use his NFL connections to find an NFL assistant coach ready to be Cal's next head football coach. It's kind of surprising to me that Cal has never had a Black head football coach. Maybe it's time?

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Rolo doesn't have anti-science views on vaccines. He just didn't want to take the experimental covid mrna vaccine.

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True that. And in case people arent paying attention many things pharma companies release to the market are dangerous (not unsafe, dangerous) to many sub segments of the population. Many of those dangers are known through testing. But because as a practical matter they have finite testing at the time of release there are unknowns. That's why they continue to track reporting on all drugs in market. The covid VAX was released via emergency use exception, limited review.

To summarize for people show still dont get this. Trusting the concept of the scientific method and trusting commercialized biologics are not the same thing by a long shot, regardless of conspiracy clouds created around them.

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This thread should be moved to "off topic."

I agree that companies developing drugs face conflicts of interest and shouldn't be relied upon to objectively evaluate the effectiveness and safety of their products. That's why we have the FDA. I believe an agency that can objectively assess efficacy and safety is our best option. If we can't trust the FDA, then there's no point in companies investing billions of dollars in new drug development, and we might as well return to prehistory when life expectancy was around 30 years. To believe that the FDA would allow many millions of Americans to receive a vaccine that was not safe is to give up on the prospect of improving human well-being through innovation.

Let's be serious, ignoring all the other non-football stuff... hiring a career .500 coach after one good week of practice and winning a dead cat bounce game is such a typiCal move. He is not a serious candidate for a p4 team on the brink of relegation.

Send in my vote for ROLO.

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https://sports.yahoo.com/immunologist-now-fired-wsu-coach-nick-rolovich-asked-me-if-bill-gates-was-involved-in-covid-19-vaccine-125222760.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAC-YswWRFE4ViEWQPVT1sAVL_ASXLkWG9ttor1-4hlkBGsWULh9IcMoo28WKtl6gk5i_G-R1BnRKAw3psbH5hChbECF9qKDZlEEYAC1MN4b3kRgBVjWboJs-fz_G48qWs0e5011LYwqBLw031YUoWCnIDZIjgvnfdSjdY_Ytk7Pn

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Unbelievable ignorance.

This is a guy who has grown up completely free of worry about Rubella (German Measles), Mumps, Polio, Smallpox, Tetanus and others. And if he has kids, especially girls, he'd avail himself to give them resistance or outright immunity to ovarian cancer, thanks to the HPV vaccine. My cousin recently succumbed to this disease, so the issue hits home for me. I also have a daughter and she got the vaccination as soon as she was old enough. My son received it too, as it takes "two to tango" infectious disease-wise.

That a damn football coach thinks he's "done his research" and is in a position to direct public health policy reveals the arrogance you find among so many Americans today.

Does this disqualify him from the Cal HC job? Maybe. Debatable. Since Cal is renowned in the natural sciences, I sure hope it would be considered with some weight.

And now with recent mRNA research into cancer prevention/cure, it's even more obvious how so many people stand steadfast on the wrong side of science, to the detriment of humanity.

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https://sports.yahoo.com/immunologist-now-fired-wsu-coach-nick-rolovich-asked-me-if-bill-gates-was-involved-in-covid-19-vaccine-125222760.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAC-YswWRFE4ViEWQPVT1sAVL_ASXLkWG9ttor1-4hlkBGsWULh9IcMoo28WKtl6gk5i_G-R1BnRKAw3psbH5hChbECF9qKDZlEEYAC1MN4b3kRgBVjWboJs-fz_G48qWs0e5011LYwqBLw031YUoWCnIDZIjgvnfdSjdY_Ytk7Pn

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Unbelievable ignorance.

This is a guy who has grown up completely free of worry about Rubella (German Measles), Mumps, Polio, Smallpox, Tetanus and others. And if he has kids, especially girls, he'd avail himself to give them resistance or outright immunity to ovarian cancer, thanks to the HPV vaccine. My cousin recently succumbed to this disease, so the issue hits home for me. I also have a daughter and she got the vaccination as soon as she was old enough. My son received it too, as it takes "two to tango" infectious disease-wise.

That a damn football coach thinks he's "done his research" and is in a position to direct public health policy reveals the arrogance you find among so many Americans today.

Does this disqualify him from the Cal HC job? Maybe. Debatable. Since Cal is renowned in the natural sciences, I sure hope it would be considered with some weight.

And now with recent mRNA research into cancer prevention/cure, it's even more obvious how so many people stand steadfast on the wrong side of science, to the detriment of humanity.

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Yes, the immunologist appears to be ignorant of Gates' involvement with the covid vaccines. His foundation was heavily involved in funding biotechs.

After a 10 second search, here are examples:

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants/2019/03/inv-007212

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/ideas/articles/coronavirus-funding-additional-250-million-suzman

Why not??

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How important is today's game for deciding whether Rolovich should be our next HC? What would need to happen on the field and in the locker room to tilt the scales in his favor?

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Eh, I think there is too much baggage....

Remember, Rivera and Rolovich will have to be on the same page and work together closely. And I don't see that happening.

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A non-issue in 2025, and Rivera has to be on the same page as Rolo, not you. They have been co-workers for an entire season already.

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What I'm trying to say that the article linked above and his engagement with conspiracy theories could be a problem in the future.

Heck, Justin Wilcox might be the same way. Perhaps every head coach is the same way. But Rolovich was public about it.

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What conspiracy theories did he engage with? The article doesn't reference any.

And for the record, Rolo would not be my first choice for head coach, but he'd be a decent fall back option if Cal can't reach agreement with other options.

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https://sports.yahoo.com/immunologist-now-fired-wsu-coach-nick-rolovich-asked-me-if-bill-gates-was-involved-in-covid-19-vaccine-125222760.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAC-YswWRFE4ViEWQPVT1sAVL_ASXLkWG9ttor1-4hlkBGsWULh9IcMoo28WKtl6gk5i_G-R1BnRKAw3psbH5hChbECF9qKDZlEEYAC1MN4b3kRgBVjWboJs-fz_G48qWs0e5011LYwqBLw031YUoWCnIDZIjgvnfdSjdY_Ytk7Pn

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Bill Gates and his foundation committed over $2 billion to COVID-19 efforts from January 2020 onward, making it one of the largest private funders of the response. Before most knew what Covid-19 was (pre-2020), Gates personally invested in mRNA technology research with Moderna as early as 2015. The vax was being developed way before we were fed the lie that some people in China ate some infected creatures at a wet market.

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Unbelievable ignorance.

That a damn football coach thinks he's "done his research" and is in a position to direct public health policy reveals the arrogance you find among so many Americans today.

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If you want to Inject first and ask questions later while the data arrives, more power to you.

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What I'm trying to say that the article linked above and his engagement with conspiracy theories could be a problem in the future.

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Cal is the "Marketplace of Ideas." We've had professors who've held controversial views. As long as he doesn't attempt to force those views on players ("force" as opposed to "express") and understands that that those views will be subject to rigorous critical rebuttal, let him coach.

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He kicked Kassidy Woods off the team for his political views (COVID is real and dangerous, pro NIL, pro Black Lives Matter) Not only took away his scholarship and meal plan, but kicked him off team communications and told the team to shun him. Go see an interview with Kassidy, he is a smart, likable kid, a protypical Cal student athlete in that regard.

Rolovich is a likable guy. I like him, He seems to care about the kids (other than the example above). He is goofy. He has a sense of humor. He is not well educated and has some uninformed opinions. If the next coach hires him as OC and he just focuses on that, great. However he is just not the guy to be the face of Cal football. He also needs oversight.

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Assuming everything you say is true, unless it happened this past week, it's on Wilcox. Oversight of assistants is 100% the responsibility of the HC. The story you tell there conveys that Wilcox had either granted his assistants too much control or that he had not laid down boundaries of what constituted proper grounds for dismissal from the team.

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No, it happened when Rolovich was HC at WSU.
Woods recorded the phone call. He had the emails. Woods sued Rolovich and WSU as a result. Rolovich was fired primarily for his vaccine refusal but the lawsuit from one of his players contributed.

Then Rolovich sued the university for $25 million himself for wrongful termination. And no other program has touched him as a result until Wilcox brought him in this year.

What I was saying is Cassidy Woods could have easily been a Cal student athlete in his intelligence and desire to be more on campus and in the world than just an athlete. Cal needs to be seen the single best place for athletes like him. It is our comparative advantage, but only if we have coaches that recruit on that basis, not kick players off the team for it.

If Rolovich gets that now, then great. I still think others could better recruit nationally to Cal. If Rolovich as OC is the new HC's choice and that keeps Sagapolutele in the fold, great. As I said, I like the guy and I like our connections yo Hawaii, but we need. Lot more than that to compete for the ACC title next year.

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Ok, first my apology for misunderstanding the story.

Second, do we know how either lawsuit turned out, or were either/both settled on undisclosed terms?

I think Rivera and possibly Lyons would make clear that this is Cal and coaching here means tolerance of a wide diversity of opinion. I doubt he will end up as HC, but if he does, that's a level of oversight Rolo would have to deal with.

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Agreed.

The lawsuit was delayed by COVID and procedural matters (hard for a kid without a scholarship to sue a millionaire) then eventually dropped after Rolovich was fired and Kassidy Woods transferred to Auburn. He has extensive interviews in a few different podcasts that I'll check out.

But yes, Rolovich seems like an otherwise good, likable guy that in this case cared a lot more about his own rights than those of his players. I think it was more dumb than malicious, though that wouldn't matter to Kassidy Woods. Maybe he learned and grew from it? He seems "teachable."

Agree about the oversight by Ron. As I said, I'm not opposed, especially if it means Sagapolutele stays. I just think these things are important, are public, and can't be swept under the rug and I also think there are guys that are more high energy and can better sell the program.

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Let's be serious, ignoring all the other non-football stuff... hiring a career .500 coach after one good week of practice and winning a dead cat bounce game is such a typiCal move. He is not a serious candidate for a p4 team on the brink of relegation.

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Exactly, he had one decent year in the Mountain West beating lots of bad teams (but losing to the best teams) 6 years ago, the same year Wilcox had a "good year." He was fired 4 years ago and until Wilcox gave him a paycheck, no one has touched hum.

But for some, it will be BECAUSE he refused the vaccine and sued his employer. A really dumb reason to hire a coach.

If the next coach wants him on staff, say as QB coach, and that helps us retain Sagapolutele, I'm good with that, but I really think we can do better. We need someone who is smart and can sell Cal.

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Let's be serious, ignoring all the other non-football stuff... hiring a career .500 coach after one good week of practice and winning a dead cat bounce game is such a typiCal move. He is not a serious candidate for a p4 team on the brink of relegation.

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If the next coach wants him on staff, say as QB coach, and that helps us retain Sagapolutele, I'm good with that, but I really think we can do better. We need someone who is smart and can sell Cal.

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Rolovich will probably be here along with JKS, or both are gone

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Arguably the two most impactful biomedical advances in the last few decades, CRISPR genome editing and cancer immunotherapy, were developed at Cal. I'm not sure that someone with Rolo's anti-science views on vaccines is the kind of representative we should have for the face of the Cal football program.

I'm hoping Rivera might use his NFL connections to find an NFL assistant coach ready to be Cal's next head football coach. It's kind of surprising to me that Cal has never had a Black head football coach. Maybe it's time?

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Rolo doesn't have anti-science views on vaccines. He just didn't want to take the experimental covid mrna vaccine.

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True that. And in case people arent paying attention many things pharma companies release to the market are dangerous (not unsafe, dangerous) to many sub segments of the population. Many of those dangers are known through testing. But because as a practical matter they have finite testing at the time of release there are unknowns. That's why they continue to track reporting on all drugs in market. The covid VAX was released via emergency use exception, limited review.

To summarize for people show still dont get this. Trusting the concept of the scientific method and trusting commercialized biologics are not the same thing by a long shot, regardless of conspiracy clouds created around them.

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This thread should be moved to "off topic."

I agree that companies developing drugs face conflicts of interest and shouldn't be relied upon to objectively evaluate the effectiveness and safety of their products. That's why we have the FDA. I believe an agency that can objectively assess efficacy and safety is our best option. If we can't trust the FDA, then there's no point in companies investing billions of dollars in new drug development, and we might as well return to prehistory when life expectancy was around 30 years. To believe that the FDA would allow many millions of Americans to receive a vaccine that was not safe is to give up on the prospect of improving human well-being through innovation.

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So you take thread in the direction of "anti-science" to take a shot at Cal's current head coach and then want it moved because people push back?

Some questions for you Mr. Science - what is the current recommendation for receiving the Covid vaccine for HEALTHY: (a) 41 year old males (Rolo's age in 2020); and (b) males under the age of 25? Is it mandated that these demographics get the vaccine, as it was in 2020-22? Would it be relevant if these people had COVID in the past as to whether/when they should get a vax?

Of course, the answer is that it is now considered an individualized health choice - Rolo's exact position for those groups. Most, including the CDC and EU health agencies, recognize that the benefits of the vax are not clear for people under 40 and there is now a lot of SCIENCE indicating children/adults under 25 don't really need the vax. The Covid death rates showed that very few people under 25 died from Covid - that is the science. And we don't vax people - particularly healthy young people - in the short term after they've recently had covid.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-schedules/adult-easyread.html

And its quaint that you don't think there's been agency capture at the CDC and FDA. Public health officials (including many at those agencies) absolutely lied about the data and oversold the vax, all because they believe the "dumb public" could not handle the truth. Fauci and others admitted they spread misinformation/unscientific claims re masking and the efficacy of the vax because they thought it was for the greater good. And then he and you wonder why people don't trust the FDA?

Just to be clear, I'm not anti-vax. I made the personal decision to get re-vaccinated just a few months back, as I have some health issues. But impugning Rolo and others for not wanting to take the vax is wrong, particularly given how things played out.

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GoCal80 said:

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GoCal80 said:

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Arguably the two most impactful biomedical advances in the last few decades, CRISPR genome editing and cancer immunotherapy, were developed at Cal. I'm not sure that someone with Rolo's anti-science views on vaccines is the kind of representative we should have for the face of the Cal football program.

I'm hoping Rivera might use his NFL connections to find an NFL assistant coach ready to be Cal's next head football coach. It's kind of surprising to me that Cal has never had a Black head football coach. Maybe it's time?

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Rolo doesn't have anti-science views on vaccines. He just didn't want to take the experimental covid mrna vaccine.

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True that. And in case people arent paying attention many things pharma companies release to the market are dangerous (not unsafe, dangerous) to many sub segments of the population. Many of those dangers are known through testing. But because as a practical matter they have finite testing at the time of release there are unknowns. That's why they continue to track reporting on all drugs in market. The covid VAX was released via emergency use exception, limited review.

To summarize for people show still dont get this. Trusting the concept of the scientific method and trusting commercialized biologics are not the same thing by a long shot, regardless of conspiracy clouds created around them.

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This thread should be moved to "off topic."

I agree that companies developing drugs face conflicts of interest and shouldn't be relied upon to objectively evaluate the effectiveness and safety of their products. That's why we have the FDA. I believe an agency that can objectively assess efficacy and safety is our best option. If we can't trust the FDA, then there's no point in companies investing billions of dollars in new drug development, and we might as well return to prehistory when life expectancy was around 30 years. To believe that the FDA would allow many millions of Americans to receive a vaccine that was not safe is to give up on the prospect of improving human well-being through innovation.

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So you take thread in the direction of "anti-science" to take a shot at Cal's current head coach and then want it moved because people push back?

Some questions for you Mr. Science - what is the current recommendation for receiving the Covid vaccine for HEALTHY: (a) 41 year old males (Rolo's age in 2020); and (b) males under the age of 25? Is it mandated that these demographics get the vaccine, as it was in 2020-22? Would it be relevant if these people had COVID in the past as to whether/when they should get a vax?

Of course, the answer is that it is now considered an individualized health choice - Rolo's exact position for those groups. Most, including the CDC and EU health agencies, recognize that the benefits of the vax are not clear for people under 40 and there is now a lot of SCIENCE indicating children/adults under 25 don't really need the vax. The Covid death rates showed that very few people under 25 died from Covid - that is the science. And we don't vax people - particularly young people - in the short term after they've recently had covid.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-schedules/adult-easyread.html

And its quaint that you don't think there's been agency capture at the CDC and FDA. Public health officials (including many at those agencies) absolutely lied about the data and oversold the vax, all because they believe the "dumb public" could not handle the truth. Fauci and others admitted they spread misinformation/unscientific claims re masking and the efficacy of the vax because they thought it was for the greater good. And then he and you wonder why people don't trust the FDA?

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The pandemic is over, and most young and middle-aged healthy people have some immunity, so guidelines are appropriately relaxed. All those conspiracy theories about regulatory agencies lying are unfounded and generally politically motivated. One of the most absurd theories, that Bill Gates was pushing the vaccines for personal gain, is especially unfounded and ridiculous. Gates plans to spend out his entire fortune through his charity in his lifetime, and this charity aims to address health issues like malaria that affect the poorest people on earth.