Money is the key to NCAAF/NCAAB success

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concordtom
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I just did a google search for

college football nil budget rankings


Damn, that is a lot of money, and it's depressing.
Bobodeluxe
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It will take $50 million per year, on a five year commitment, for the Berkeley Bears to be in the conversation.

Double secret word is that the money is there. I have doubts.
Go!Bears
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Bobodeluxe said:

It will take $50 million per year, on a five year commitment, for the Berkeley Bears to be in the conversation.

Double secret word is that the money is there. I have doubts.

And if you have it, you can compete and if you don't, you can't. It makes us like the European soccer leagues where you can pick the top of the table before the first game is played. Upsets will be rare and it will be the same teams every year. There's no fun in that. NCAA needs structure and a salary cap to insure competitive balance and keep it interesting. They are going to kill the golden goose, if they haven't done so already.
Bobodeluxe
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The "top teams" will not agree to "share the talent", nor should they have that ability. There are just not nearly enough good players to field more than twenty, give or take, top tier Premier League Professional Minor League Football teams. If there is no relegation system for teams willing to sign up, the players themselves will do so individually.

Too much money there for the taking for them not to take advantage.
bluehenbear
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College football has *never* been about parity. Never.
concordtom
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Can anyone make the case for why 60 programs should fight to get into Top 20, at $50M/yr a pop, according to the responder above you?

Why not put that money into cancer research, or feeding the hungry?

Wealthy donors have options.
RSFoldguy
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concordtom said:

Can anyone make the case for why 60 programs should fight to get into Top 20, at $50M/yr a pop, according to the responder above you?

Why not put that money into cancer research, or feeding the hungry?

Wealthy donors have options.

As someone who used to regularly donate to Cal Athletics, this hits the nail on the head.

One day I woke up and thought about what a zero-sum game this is, where if one college moves up, it necessarily comes at the expense of another. Suddenly this felt like a stupid way to direct my philanthropy, especially compared to the other causes I care about (St. Judes, ScholarMatch, etc.). My feelings on the matter doubled when players suddenly became professionals.

From a societal perspective, I personally wouldn't be sad to see charitable deductions ended for college sports donations. We already took a step in this direction in 2017 when the deduction was repealed anytime ties to seating arrangements were involved.
TonyTiger
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RSFoldguy said:

concordtom said:

Can anyone make the case for why 60 programs should fight to get into Top 20, at $50M/yr a pop, according to the responder above you?

Why not put that money into cancer research, or feeding the hungry?

Wealthy donors have options.

As someone who used to regularly donate to Cal Athletics, this hits the nail on the head.

One day I woke up and thought about what a zero-sum game this is, where if one college moves up, it necessarily comes at the expense of another. Suddenly this felt like a stupid way to direct my philanthropy, especially compared to the other causes I care about (St. Judes, ScholarMatch, etc.). My feelings on the matter doubled when players suddenly became professionals.

From a societal perspective, I personally wouldn't be sad to see charitable deductions ended for college sports donations. We already tfook a step in this direction in 2017 when the deduction was repealed anytime ties to seating arrangsements were involved.

This NIL thing is in its infancy as numerous changes are on the way if they don't happen college football will die as we know it a only twenty teams will be left. Be patient my friend.

P.S. Are you the other old guy at R.S.F. I kind of stay away from other old guys.
RSFoldguy
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TonyTiger said:

This NIL thing is in its infancy as numerous changes are on the way if they don't happen college football will die as we know it a only twenty teams will be left. Be patient my friend.

P.S. Are you the other old guy at R.S.F. I kind of stay away from other old guys.

I'm the guy whose mind thinks he's still 20 but his basketball abilities match his age 50.
WildBear
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There is no way there are more than 25 schools that have NIL budgets over the 20.5m cap and SB said as much saying that there will be a lot of p4 schools they won't get 20.5m. You're seeing schools raise fees on students to get close but we'll see.

I've done some fundraising and donate to a few causes consistently and man, it's hard to get people to donate even a $500. You'll see a few rich donors donate $500k-1m once or twice and then they'll realize how little it actually helps. Not a lot of donors are willing to do that consistently and not many have as many rich donors as Cal has.
TandemBear
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Most people fail to understand how a "charitable contribution" and "non-profit endowment" are basically taxpayer subsidized entities. David Cay Johnston emphasizes this point in his many writings on the subject of tax policy. Joe Taxpayer is indirectly funding these "pet projects" without any say or input.

Pretty ironic, given the right's argument against taxes because they have "no control how their money is spent." Same thing is happening with tax exempt status.

Overall, I'm so glad this subject was brought up. That college football has little to no requirements for parity is truly amazing and disappointing.

As I've posted before, since the NFL has a draft structure that promotes it as well as salary caps, you'd think college ball would have ten times as many controls to achieve this. But somehow it doesn't. (And we all know why.)

The Golden Goose is being killed.

Why did my family and I give up our season tickets? For several reasons, but the main one was when Cal's rise under Tedford finally faltered and the futility returned to Berkeley. Were we just kidding ourselves with our hope?

And when Cal was good? Our family was really invested in the Bears. Pre-game tailgates were standard for the extended family and friends. That eternal hope for "another Rose Bowl before I die" was real. Too bad it never happened for my father and now my uncle.

When fans feel like their fools or dupes for believing, they walk away. I know this is how I felt. And today, with the truly insane salaries and NIL money, fans will have even less incentive to be "die-hard" about their team. And it surely doesn't help that players have zero allegiance to their team and school. The idea of the "beloved Alma Mater" has been lost among players. Real shame. And TBH, it short-changes them too. That they won't walk away from a college career at their school of choice, with fond memories and love for their formative college years is indeed a loss.

All for money. Lots of money.

And don't get me wrong, I strongly support paying players. But it can be done so it's financially rewarding for them, while at the same time achieving parity in college football. Without competition, fans lose interest. A healthy, competitive landscape is inclusive and promotes many participants. Perennial winners and losers don't.
Go!Bears
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RSFoldguy said:

TonyTiger said:

This NIL thing is in its infancy as numerous changes are on the way if they don't happen college football will die as we know it a only twenty teams will be left. Be patient my friend.

P.S. Are you the other old guy at R.S.F. I kind of stay away from other old guys.

I'm the guy whose mind thinks he's still 20 but his basketball abilities match his age 50.

You have an amusing definition of "old guy"
calumnus
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WildBear said:

There is no way there are more than 25 schools that have NIL budgets over the 20.5m cap and SB said as much saying that there will be a lot of p4 schools they won't get 20.5m. You're seeing schools raise fees on students to get close but we'll see.

I've done some fundraising and donate to a few causes consistently and man, it's hard to get people to donate even a $500. You'll see a few rich donors donate $500k-1m once or twice and then they'll realize how little it actually helps. Not a lot of donors are willing to do that consistently and not many have as many rich donors as Cal has.


B1G schools make about $75 million in media revenue. SEC schools make about $53 million.
ACC schools make about $45 million
Big 12 schools make about $32 million
Notre Dame makes $67 million

In total, that is 68 P4 teams including Notre Dame.

This is "entertainment dollars" and advertising dollars, so asking if this money would be better spent on medical research could be said about the NFL, NBA, MLB, the movie industry, the record industry, Facebook….

Now it is true donors can add their money to the above, and yes, it could instead go to cancer research, or a megayacht… but the big money is the media revenues.

Under the House Settlement up to $20 million is to be spent by each of the above schools from the above media revenues on NIL.

The above situation shows why Christ and especially Knowlton, who was paid $1.3 million a year to guide Cal's athletic department, should have seen the writing on the wall when USC and UCLA jumped to the B1G and made an all out effort from the get go to get us in too instead of wasting political leverage trying to block UCLA and alienate the people we needed to support us.

We were lucky others worked to get us into the ACC. It was a really good landing place for us. Unfortunately part of the deal was we had to give up most of our revenue. So we started out at about $10 million but eventually we will get our full share. However, in the meantime, donors will have to make up the difference or we won't make it to full revenue which will be about the time of the next realignment, if it doesn't come sooner.

Cal is in a uniquely difficult financial position in P4 over the next 5 years or so and it will take donor money to get us a team that can fill CMS and generate more revenue until we get our full ACC share and possibly make ourselves attractive enough to be part of the B1G West Coast pod.
Anarchistbear
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Football separates us from the animals. It is one of the few unifiers left

"More than 70% of Americans consider themselves football fans. Over a third think the Super Bowl should be a national holiday, and half say the Monday after should be a paid day off work. The NFL isn't just the most-watched entertainment in Americait's one of the country's last truly unifying institutions. And for those who care about social connection and civic life, fandom is a surprisingly promising path to both.

Decades of research show that fans have wider friendship networks, stronger feelings of belonging, and less alienation. Ben Valenta and David Sikorjak captured this in the title of their 2022 book: Fans Have More Friends. One 2023 study even found that attending live sporting events boosts life satisfaction and reduces loneliness as much as starting a new job. And in one provocative experiment, fans were more likely to step up for one anotherbeing three times more likely to stop to help a stranger in need who is wearing their team's jersey."


https://time.com/7314403/football-fan-good-for-you/
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