I'm reading various off hand remarks claiming that the story we heard back in 2012 about what Tosh did in leaving the program was not the whole story. So what's the whole story?

I'm also seeing people claim that Tedford threw Tosh under the bus, suggesting that Tedford either sanctioned or ordered the fake injuries tactic. How do we know this is true? Is BI saying this is true? I'll believe it if BI or its insider accounts will directly say so but I haven't seen more than random posters claim it.

If Tosh is going to be our next coach and those who know the whole story want the full support of the fan base from the get go, they should speak up and authoritatively clarify the history here. It's a better idea than just dismissing the feelings of those who dislike Tosh for what he is believed to have done. We can then move forward in supporting a guy who otherwise is a good HC candidate.

It is common sense that asking players to fake injuries to slow down the opponent's offense would come from above a position coach. With that being said, Tosh's guys did an absolute abominable acting job, so I don't believe him taking responsibility is that big of a deal since his group messed up.

Yeah, a username like "kal kommie" asking for dirt on an old story is not suspicious AT ALL!

Some stuff here:
https://writeforcalifornia.com/p/tosh-lupoi-california-golden-bears-cal-football

I am no insider, but the Tosh issue has nothing to do with the defense faking injuries to try to slow down Oregon, it was him helping recruit some studs and then leave right before signing day, taking those studs with him. If any key alumni care about the fake injuries, they may want to take up a new hobby.

adujan said:

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I am no insider, but the Tosh issue has nothing to do with the defense faking injuries to try to slow down Oregon, it was him helping recruit some studs and then leave right before signing day, taking those studs with him. If any key alumni care about the fake injuries, they may want to take up a new hobby.

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Mostly revolved around the recruiting of Shaq Thompson....Tosh was recruiting him away from Cal while on staff at Cal if I remember correctly. It was very much some dirty actions by Tosh for doing that.

Loss of Cal recruiting guru could impact recruits Arik Armstead, Shaq Thompson

adujan said:

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I am no insider, but the Tosh issue has nothing to do with the defense faking injuries to try to slow down Oregon, it was him helping recruit some studs and then leave right before signing day, taking those studs with him. If any key alumni care about the fake injuries, they may want to take up a new hobby.

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Yes, though if you really boil it down it was one guy: Shaq Thompson. Tosh recruited him to Washington even though he was still officially working for Cal at the time. That was bad for sure.

The other guys decommitting were more just the natural consequence of the coach who recruited them leaving the school. We see that happening all the time. It's happened here since Wilcox was fired. If Cal wanted to keep those guys it should have worked harder to keep Tosh.

adujan said:

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I am no insider, but the Tosh issue has nothing to do with the defense faking injuries to try to slow down Oregon, it was him helping recruit some studs and then leave right before signing day, taking those studs with him. If any key alumni care about the fake injuries, they may want to take up a new hobby.

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You're way off base here. "Injurygate" is highly relevant to the Tosh situation. Tosh left in a way that burned bridges and created a lot of animosity. He used questionable recruiting tactics and reportedly was bad mouthing Cal. One question is why. Was there anything that would justify (or at least explain) why Tosh left in the way he did?

Some - including me - have posted that there is nothing that would justify what Tosh did. That being said, a more nuanced take - an explanation rather than a justification - is that Tosh was in fact mistreated by Tedford and others in some respects. He was clearly underpaid and there reportedly was a dynamic where Tedford rewarded more senior coaches (who were not producing/recruiting) while keeping young gun Tosh underpaid and under appreciated. I believe that was true.

In terms of the faking of injuries, it has been reported (including I believe by mods on this board) that the Cal coaching staff (including as I recall the DC) adopted a strategy to use fake injuries to slow down the Oregon offense. Cal executed that in an obvious way . . . really bad acting. And when the national media and conference came down on Cal, Tedford did in fact throw Tosh under the bus. Tosh was suspended, scapegoated and humiliated in the national media for a strategy that more senior coaches had endorsed. This was one factor in the deterioration of the relationship between Tedford/Tosh that led to Tosh leaving in the way he did.

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adujan said:

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I am no insider, but the Tosh issue has nothing to do with the defense faking injuries to try to slow down Oregon, it was him helping recruit some studs and then leave right before signing day, taking those studs with him. If any key alumni care about the fake injuries, they may want to take up a new hobby.

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Yes, though if you really boil it down it was one guy: Shaq Thompson. Tosh recruited him to Washington even though he was still officially working for Cal at the time. That was bad for sure.

The other guys decommitting were more just the natural consequence of the coach who recruited them leaving the school. We see that happening all the time. It's happened here since Wilcox was fired. If Cal wanted to keep those guys it should have worked harder to keep Tosh.

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It was more than Shaq Thompson. Allegedly Tosh called up a bunch of our recruits and tried to get them to come to UW with him. By then he was officially at UW so that part is fine. What's not fine, or at least not consistent with "he loves Cal" and all the associated nonsense being sold by some here, is that he told those recruits (many of them Cal commits at the time) that if they didn't want to follow him to UW then whatever they did they should not come to Cal. He sent our guys to UCLA, Oregon, etc - still rivals of his new employer so it was just to screw Cal and not to help in his new job.

If the more context is he was upset because someone else got a raise before he did and he had to take one for the team on the Oregon injury thing then, imo, that's not mitigating at all. That can mitigate the lying to Tedford about staying if Tedford stuck his neck out to get Tosh a 2nd or 3rd large raise in a matter of days. Still not a good look but kinda understandable. All the other stuff was unprofessional at best and, again, highly inconsistent with he loves Cal.

One can decide that none of this stuff matters and that he's still the best choice. I disagree that anything public makes what he did during his departure ok or understandable or whatever. I also strongly suspect that the he loves Cal it's his dream job stuff is either conjecture or a great sales person telling people what they want to hear.

boredom said:

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sycasey said:

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adujan said:

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I am no insider, but the Tosh issue has nothing to do with the defense faking injuries to try to slow down Oregon, it was him helping recruit some studs and then leave right before signing day, taking those studs with him. If any key alumni care about the fake injuries, they may want to take up a new hobby.

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Yes, though if you really boil it down it was one guy: Shaq Thompson. Tosh recruited him to Washington even though he was still officially working for Cal at the time. That was bad for sure.

The other guys decommitting were more just the natural consequence of the coach who recruited them leaving the school. We see that happening all the time. It's happened here since Wilcox was fired. If Cal wanted to keep those guys it should have worked harder to keep Tosh.

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It was more than Shaq Thompson. Allegedly Tosh called up a bunch of our recruits and tried to get them to come to UW with him. By then he was officially at UW so that part is fine. What's not fine, or at least not consistent with "he loves Cal" and all the associated nonsense being sold by some here, is that he told those recruits (many of them Cal commits at the time) that if they didn't want to follow him to UW then whatever they did they should not come to Cal. He sent our guys to UCLA, Oregon, etc - still rivals of his new employer so it was just to screw Cal and not to help in his new job.

If the more context is he was upset because someone else got a raise before he did and he had to take one for the team on the Oregon injury thing then, imo, that's not mitigating at all. That can mitigate the lying to Tedford about staying if Tedford stuck his neck out to get Tosh a 2nd or 3rd large raise in a matter of days. Still not a good look but kinda understandable. All the other stuff was unprofessional at best and, again, highly inconsistent with he loves Cal.

One can decide that none of this stuff matters and that he's still the best choice. I disagree that anything public makes what he did during his departure ok or understandable or whatever. I also strongly suspect that the he loves Cal it's his dream job stuff is either conjecture or a great sales person telling people what they want to hear.

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If you feel underpaid, you just move on. That's employer/employee relations, not personal. In the long run, the marketplace will give you a pretty clear picture of what you are in fact worth. His career since then should be saying something in re his aspirations and worth.

word at the time is that he negotiated a new pay package with Tedford that he was supposedly happy with but then still decide to bolt, leaving a wake of lost recruits. Issue wasn't that he left but the manner that it went down.

It could've been done in a different kind of way
But that ain't Tosh, he plays tough when he plays


the wisdom of Night Ranger

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In terms of the faking of injuries, it has been reported (including I believe by mods on this board) that the Cal coaching staff (including as I recall the DC) adopted a strategy to use fake injuries to slow down the Oregon offense. Cal executed that in an obvious way . . . really bad acting. And when the national media and conference came down on Cal, Tedford did in fact throw Tosh under the bus. Tosh was suspended, scapegoated and humiliated in the national media for a strategy that more senior coaches had endorsed. This was one factor in the deterioration of the relationship between Tedford/Tosh that led to Tosh leaving in the way he did.

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I haven't heard this take before but it makes sense if true. Not that what he did was justified, but it makes sense that he may have wanted out.

freshfunk said:

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Yeah, a username like "kal kommie" asking for dirt on an old story is not suspicious AT ALL!

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This kommie has been posting about kal since 2021.

sycasey said:

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Some stuff here:
https://writeforcalifornia.com/p/tosh-lupoi-california-golden-bears-cal-football

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I saw this and there is a key passage here which claims that Tosh really was thrown under the bus:

"There was the Oregon fake injuries debacle that UC leadership demanded a suspension for and the coaching staff chose Lupoi, even though it was clear the decision had come from higher on up the team."

But Avinash Kunnath doesn't say he knows Tosh really was thrown under the bus, that someone higher up ordered the tactic. Kunnath just says "it was clear" even though to my knowledge he did not previously say this. Certainly he did not say this in 2012 in his Tosh the Traitor piece.

It would be great if someone who knows and has the credibility to directly say whether Tosh really was thrown under the bus would say so if it's true.

BTW I don't care at all about Injurygate, Honestly I hoped they would do the fake injuries because other teams were already doing it without consequences and screw Oregon. I only care about whether Tosh really was thrown under the bus and forced to accept a public reprimand and suspension for something he was told to do. Until someone with the credibility says they know that Tedford threw Tosh under the bus, I'm not going to accept that Tedford is lousy enough to do that. So far it's all just supposition,"it was clear" or it's "common sense" that Tosh was thrown under the bus.

Not that being thrown under the bus would excuse what Tosh did when he left but it would make his behavior more understandable from a human perspective because he would be justly aggrieved by Tedford rather than a spiteful mercenary with no scruples.

Doesn't anyone know the story with references to "coffee cups" and boats that often get dropped when people allude to Toshgate? Never really heard the alleged details.

kal kommie said:

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sycasey said:

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Some stuff here:
https://writeforcalifornia.com/p/tosh-lupoi-california-golden-bears-cal-football

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I saw this and there is a key passage here which claims that Tosh really was thrown under the bus:

"There was the Oregon fake injuries debacle that UC leadership demanded a suspension for and the coaching staff chose Lupoi, even though it was clear the decision had come from higher on up the team."

But Avinash Kunnath doesn't say he knows Tosh really was thrown under the bus, that someone higher up ordered the tactic. Kunnath just says "it was clear" even though to my knowledge he did not previously say this. Certainly he did not say this in 2012 in his Tosh the Traitor piece.

It would be great if someone who knows and has the credibility to directly say whether Tosh really was thrown under the bus would say so if it's true.

BTW I don't care at all about Injurygate, Honestly I hoped they would do the fake injuries because other teams were already doing it without consequences and screw Oregon. I only care about whether Tosh really was thrown under the bus and forced to accept a public reprimand and suspension for something he was told to do. Until someone with the credibility says they know that Tedford threw Tosh under the bus, I'm not going to accept that Tedford is lousy enough to do that. So far it's all just supposition,"it was clear" or it's "common sense" that Tosh was thrown under the bus.

Not that being thrown under the bus would excuse what Tosh did when he left but it would make his behavior more understandable from a human perspective because he would be justly aggrieved by Tedford rather than a spiteful mercenary with no scruples.

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We will probably never have this confirmed with absolute certainty. Take the claims as you will.

Tosh would often pay for tutoring of recruits who needed it. That was one of the stories.

boredom said:

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sycasey said:

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I am no insider, but the Tosh issue has nothing to do with the defense faking injuries to try to slow down Oregon, it was him helping recruit some studs and then leave right before signing day, taking those studs with him. If any key alumni care about the fake injuries, they may want to take up a new hobby.

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Yes, though if you really boil it down it was one guy: Shaq Thompson. Tosh recruited him to Washington even though he was still officially working for Cal at the time. That was bad for sure.

The other guys decommitting were more just the natural consequence of the coach who recruited them leaving the school. We see that happening all the time. It's happened here since Wilcox was fired. If Cal wanted to keep those guys it should have worked harder to keep Tosh.

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It was more than Shaq Thompson. Allegedly Tosh called up a bunch of our recruits and tried to get them to come to UW with him. By then he was officially at UW so that part is fine. What's not fine, or at least not consistent with "he loves Cal" and all the associated nonsense being sold by some here, is that he told those recruits (many of them Cal commits at the time) that if they didn't want to follow him to UW then whatever they did they should not come to Cal. He sent our guys to UCLA, Oregon, etc - still rivals of his new employer so it was just to screw Cal and not to help in his new job.

If the more context is he was upset because someone else got a raise before he did and he had to take one for the team on the Oregon injury thing then, imo, that's not mitigating at all. That can mitigate the lying to Tedford about staying if Tedford stuck his neck out to get Tosh a 2nd or 3rd large raise in a matter of days. Still not a good look but kinda understandable. All the other stuff was unprofessional at best and, again, highly inconsistent with he loves Cal.

One can decide that none of this stuff matters and that he's still the best choice. I disagree that anything public makes what he did during his departure ok or understandable or whatever. I also strongly suspect that the he loves Cal it's his dream job stuff is either conjecture or a great sales person telling people what they want to hear.

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This.

Tosh pulled a Fredo move on his alma mater and the man who helped him launch his coaching career, Tedford. Young hotshot salesman wanting to move to greener pastures with a younger, hipper crew and with dreams of a bigger boat, stabbing his godfather and alma mater in the back on his way out.

He never did formally apologize or express remorse for that in the 13 years since.

The other issue, which is purely about his coaching capacity, is that he only lasted ONE season as the sole DC/playcaller at Alabama, whose defense was stacked with talent (in good part due to his recruiting prowess) but was totally outschemed and crushed by Dabo's Clemson team in the NCG, inflicting on Saban the worst loss of his career to date.

I think most Tosh hesitant posters here might be willing to overlook the Fredo aspect if Tosh delivers as a HC at Cal. In that sense, we will have a pretty good idea of where his tenure will go based on (1) the talent he brings in as a superrecruiter this winter, and (2) the quality of the staff he will bring in.

We're looking for a football coach not some morality drama. Succeed and it's all forgotten. Fail and it's his character that did him in. For me, it has no bearing on hiring him.

To me his biggest drawback is he isn't a head coach and should have been by now.

The other knock from my perspective is that his strongest suit as a recruiter is no longer as crucial in the NIL environment where competition for recruits has become more monetary, and with the greater portal turnover the player evaluation skills become more important in the recruiting process relative to the pure salesmanship skills where Tosh excels.

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Doesn't anyone know the story with references to "coffee cups" and boats that often get dropped when people allude to Toshgate? Never really heard the alleged details.

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UW gave Tosh a literal boat as part of the deal to entice him to UW. Tosh allegedly met recruits at coffee and gave them money inside coffee cups.

kal kommie said:

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sycasey said:

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Some stuff here:
https://writeforcalifornia.com/p/tosh-lupoi-california-golden-bears-cal-football

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I saw this and there is a key passage here which claims that Tosh really was thrown under the bus:

"There was the Oregon fake injuries debacle that UC leadership demanded a suspension for and the coaching staff chose Lupoi, even though it was clear the decision had come from higher on up the team."

But Avinash Kunnath doesn't say he knows Tosh really was thrown under the bus, that someone higher up ordered the tactic. Kunnath just says "it was clear" even though to my knowledge he did not previously say this. Certainly he did not say this in 2012 in his Tosh the Traitor piece.

It would be great if someone who knows and has the credibility to directly say whether Tosh really was thrown under the bus would say so if it's true.

BTW I don't care at all about Injurygate, Honestly I hoped they would do the fake injuries because other teams were already doing it without consequences and screw Oregon. I only care about whether Tosh really was thrown under the bus and forced to accept a public reprimand and suspension for something he was told to do. Until someone with the credibility says they know that Tedford threw Tosh under the bus, I'm not going to accept that Tedford is lousy enough to do that. So far it's all just supposition,"it was clear" or it's "common sense" that Tosh was thrown under the bus.

Not that being thrown under the bus would excuse what Tosh did when he left but it would make his behavior more understandable from a human perspective because he would be justly aggrieved by Tedford rather than a spiteful mercenary with no scruples.

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I doubt you're going to get a smoking gun because the people who know everything are Tedford, Tosh and maybe some of the other coaches during that time. IIRC, it really came down to interpretation.

Tedford planned it. Tosh did it. The coaches got caught. Tosh became the fall guy. Interpret that how you will.

Compare this with Spygate at Michigan where Stalions happily was the fall guy. (Cue the people saying "but it was different!")

Bobodeluxe said:

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Tosh would often pay for tutoring of recruits who needed it. That was one of the stories.

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Yes, the coffee cup rumors are much more serious IMO. In this day and age with NIL, it seems harmless. But back then, USC had the Reggie Bush scandal and received the death penalty. IIRC, Carroll left before the program was hit and the program ended up being sanctioned for a few years. So impropriety in the Pac was a bigger deal back then and Tosh had the reputation for being shady.

Again, this is conveniently being forgotten by those who want to win at any cost. Who knows if it's true but if it is, know that this is a possible risk we're taking. And this was why Wilcox was so popular -- we'd know he'd run a clean program.

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I am no insider, but the Tosh issue has nothing to do with the defense faking injuries to try to slow down Oregon, it was him helping recruit some studs and then leave right before signing day, taking those studs with him. If any key alumni care about the fake injuries, they may want to take up a new hobby.

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Yes, though if you really boil it down it was one guy: Shaq Thompson. Tosh recruited him to Washington even though he was still officially working for Cal at the time. That was bad for sure.

The other guys decommitting were more just the natural consequence of the coach who recruited them leaving the school. We see that happening all the time. It's happened here since Wilcox was fired. If Cal wanted to keep those guys it should have worked harder to keep Tosh.

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It was more than Shaq Thompson. Allegedly Tosh called up a bunch of our recruits and tried to get them to come to UW with him. By then he was officially at UW so that part is fine. What's not fine, or at least not consistent with "he loves Cal" and all the associated nonsense being sold by some here, is that he told those recruits (many of them Cal commits at the time) that if they didn't want to follow him to UW then whatever they did they should not come to Cal. He sent our guys to UCLA, Oregon, etc - still rivals of his new employer so it was just to screw Cal and not to help in his new job.

If the more context is he was upset because someone else got a raise before he did and he had to take one for the team on the Oregon injury thing then, imo, that's not mitigating at all. That can mitigate the lying to Tedford about staying if Tedford stuck his neck out to get Tosh a 2nd or 3rd large raise in a matter of days. Still not a good look but kinda understandable. All the other stuff was unprofessional at best and, again, highly inconsistent with he loves Cal.

One can decide that none of this stuff matters and that he's still the best choice. I disagree that anything public makes what he did during his departure ok or understandable or whatever. I also strongly suspect that the he loves Cal it's his dream job stuff is either conjecture or a great sales person telling people what they want to hear.

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This.

Tosh pulled a Fredo move on his alma mater and the man who helped him launch his coaching career, Tedford. Young hotshot salesman wanting to move to greener pastures with a younger, hipper crew and with dreams of a bigger boat, stabbing his godfather and alma mater in the back on his way out.

He never did formally apologize or express remorse for that in the 13 years since.

The other issue, which is purely about his coaching capacity, is that he only lasted ONE season as the sole DC/playcaller at Alabama, whose defense was stacked with talent (in good part due to his recruiting prowess) but was totally outschemed and crushed by Dabo's Clemson team in the NCG, inflicting on Saban the worst loss of his career to date.

I think most Tosh hesitant posters here might be willing to overlook the Fredo aspect if Tosh delivers as a HC at Cal. In that sense, we will have a pretty good idea of where his tenure will go based on (1) the talent he brings in as a superrecruiter this winter, and (2) the quality of the staff he will bring in.

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According to one of the Cal podcasts, Tosh and Tedford have spoken since then and presumably have squashed it.

If TL is going to be our next head coach and thus the coming great era of Cal football, then it may be time to pin BI's version of the early history of TL and Cal to the top of both BI and Growls so that we don't have to keep rehashing this over and over and over and over...

Just a suggestion.

Bearspot said:

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If TL is going to be our next head coach and thus the coming great era of Cal football, then it may be time to pin BI's version of the early history of TL and Cal to the top of both BI and Growls so that we don't have to keep rehashing this over and over and over and over...

Just a suggestion.

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Or how about just let the past be the past. If he's hired let the previous baggage go. We all do certain things in life that we end up regretting. If Tosh is the next coach let's forget about dissecting what happened 13 years ago. Move forward, and if we wish to praise him or criticize him, let us base it on his performance moving forward.

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I am no insider, but the Tosh issue has nothing to do with the defense faking injuries to try to slow down Oregon, it was him helping recruit some studs and then leave right before signing day, taking those studs with him. If any key alumni care about the fake injuries, they may want to take up a new hobby.

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You're way off base here. "Injurygate" is highly relevant to the Tosh situation. Tosh left in a way that burned bridges and created a lot of animosity. He used questionable recruiting tactics and reportedly was bad mouthing Cal. One question is why. Was there anything that would justify (or at least explain) why Tosh left in the way he did?

Some - including me - have posted that there is nothing that would justify what Tosh did. That being said, a more nuanced take - an explanation rather than a justification - is that Tosh was in fact mistreated by Tedford and others in some respects. He was clearly underpaid and there reportedly was a dynamic where Tedford rewarded more senior coaches (who were not producing/recruiting) while keeping young gun Tosh underpaid and under appreciated. I believe that was true.

In terms of the faking of injuries, it has been reported (including I believe by mods on this board) that the Cal coaching staff (including as I recall the DC) adopted a strategy to use fake injuries to slow down the Oregon offense. Cal executed that in an obvious way . . . really bad acting. And when the national media and conference came down on Cal, Tedford did in fact throw Tosh under the bus. Tosh was suspended, scapegoated and humiliated in the national media for a strategy that more senior coaches had endorsed. This was one factor in the deterioration of the relationship between Tedford/Tosh that led to Tosh leaving in the way he did.

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I have a slightly different take on InjuryGate...

If you take a bullet for your boss, in public -- wink, wink, nudge, nudge -- you can become the loyal hero who any boss wants on their team. Tosh was low man on the totem pole that year. While Tosh might've looked like a cheater to the casual observer, the folks inside the college football fraternity knew the story: Tosh was being the loyal soldier. Atta boys from everybody.

Now, did Tedford give him enough atta boys for taking the heat? Maybe not. It may have been one of the reasons that led to Tosh feeling like he wasn't appreciated (the others were low salary relative to his contributions and delays in getting his increased compensation approved).

Bottom line, there were reasons for why Tosh did what he did. Absolutely doesn't excuse it, though! Supposedly, he harbors remorse and would like to make amends by leading Cal to the promised land. Hasn't said anything about it since then because why bring it up again?

To me, it's a question of how much can we forgive? Personally, I'm willing to try again with him. I would like to see him address the issue early on in his tenure, though maybe not at his first press conference.

If the ongoing purchase of JDE Peet's by Dr. Pepper goes through, and the Peet's/Green Mountain/Keurig spinoff becomes the largest pure coffee play in the world, what better promotion than Berkeley, The Home of Peet's, and Berkeley Bears Coach Tosh Lupoi insist you have a cup.

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We're looking for a football coach not some morality drama. Succeed and it's all forgotten. Fail and it's his character that did him in. For me, it has no bearing on hiring him.

To me his biggest drawback is he isn't a head coach and should have been by now.

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Yes, pretty much. I'm not even sure "should have been a head coach by now" is all that relevant. He's 44. Three years older than Tedford when he started at Cal. I just don't think this makes a big difference.

I guess the argument is that he should have been hired out of Alabama if he's so great? He might have actually been a bit too young then.

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Bearspot said:

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If TL is going to be our next head coach and thus the coming great era of Cal football, then it may be time to pin BI's version of the early history of TL and Cal to the top of both BI and Growls so that we don't have to keep rehashing this over and over and over and over...

Just a suggestion.

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Or how about just let the past be the past. If he's hired let the previous baggage go. We all do certain things in life that we end up regretting. If Tosh is the next coach let's forget about dissecting what happened 13 years ago. Move forward, and if we wish to praise him or criticize him, let us base it on his performance moving forward.

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The past is never dead. It's not even past.

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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Bearspot said:

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If TL is going to be our next head coach and thus the coming great era of Cal football, then it may be time to pin BI's version of the early history of TL and Cal to the top of both BI and Growls so that we don't have to keep rehashing this over and over and over and over...

Just a suggestion.

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Or how about just let the past be the past. If he's hired let the previous baggage go. We all do certain things in life that we end up regretting. If Tosh is the next coach let's forget about dissecting what happened 13 years ago. Move forward, and if we wish to praise him or criticize him, let us base it on his performance moving forward.

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The past is never dead. It's not even past.

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Nobody said it was. But at some point it is possible to stop dwelling on it. One way to stop rehashing it is to forget about it.

oski003 said:

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Tosh allegedly met recruits at coffee and gave them money inside coffee cups.

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Tosh was loved.

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oski003 said:

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Tosh allegedly met recruits at coffee and gave them money inside coffee cups.

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Tosh wa$ loved.

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