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According to Google this is why Tosh left Alabama

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westcoastdude
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Tosh Lupoi left Alabama in January 2019 to become the defensive line coach for the Cleveland Browns after a complicated single season as Alabama's defensive coordinator: [1, 2, 3]

  • Struggles as Coordinator: Although promoted to defensive coordinator for the 2018 season, Lupoi faced internal concerns regarding in-game situational play-calling and adjustments.
  • In-Season Demotion: Head coach Nick Saban stripped Lupoi of play-calling duties during the 2018 season and handed them to co-defensive coordinator Pete Golding.
  • Need for Seasoning: Lupoi recognized he needed more time and experience ("seasoning") to develop as a coordinator.
  • Shift to Focus on Coaching: Moving to the NFL allowed him to focus solely on coaching the defensive line and learning without the heavy, split demands of college recruiting. [1, 2]
oskidunker
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Wonderful. And we still hired him.
Bring back It’s It’s to Haas Pavillion!
okaydo
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oskidunker said:

Wonderful. And we still hired him.


Ron Rivera did his due dilegence and caled Nick Saben.
bearsandgiants
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okaydo said:

oskidunker said:

Wonderful. And we still hired him.


Ron Rivera did his due dilegence and caled Nick Saben.
would be hilarious if Ron called a guy named Nick Saben, and not Saban, and the Saben guy just raved about Tosh on the call.
westcoastdude
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If Tosh needs some more seasoning:

SBGold
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I do recall that Saban did strip him of duties and Tosh did leave. Short leashes in places like Bama and Oregon
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DiabloWags
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SBGold said:

I do recall that Saban did strip him of duties and Tosh did leave. Short leashes in places like Bama and Oregon


As I recall, after UW, Saban started him at the bottom doing game film. He had to work his way up from there.
soca1
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Saban probably kept Tosh only for his recruiting and made him DC to placate him. But, that was 8 years ago before things were like they are today. Does a personality driven recruiter even matter anymore in this era of NIL and transfer portal
TomBear
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Supposedly Saban was consulted. RR is no dummy. He knows football and it's personnel far better than any of us .
Tosh is our head coach now. Digging up negatives about his past is futile and non-productive.

Furthermore, it's been 8 years. Are you the same, professionally, that you were 8 years ago? Or did you gain some experience and some wisdom in the time that elapsed?

We're all frustrated and maybe even angry. But to be honest, this kind of post doesn't do anything positive. (I fully recognize it's not the responsibility of social media to "be positive". But sometimes I think people get caught up in "piling on" when it has no benefit.)
Econ141
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TomBear said:


Supposedly Saban was consulted. RR is no dummy. He knows football and it's personnel far better than any of us .
Tosh is our head coach now. Digging up negatives about his past is futile and non-productive.

Furthermore, it's been 8 years. Are you the same, professionally, that you were 8 years ago? Or did you gain some experience and some wisdom in the time that elapsed?

We're all frustrated and maybe even angry. But to be honest, this kind of post doesn't do anything positive. (I fully recognize it's not the responsibility of social media to "be positive". But sometimes I think people get caught up in "piling on" when it has no benefit.)


We didn't have the luxury of getting a coach who learned on the way. We know coaching decisions are crucial to the one-score games that surely we needed to win this year ... But decided on this dude because of his charisma and optimism.

The post is helpful in that islt keeps pointing out that coaching is super important. Much more so than talent alone (see UCLA, see Wake Forest). You win a game or two that you should have no business winning along with the games you should always win. When you don't do either, you need to be canned immediately. We don't have the luxury of time.

And by canned. I realize he cannot be fired right now. We can strip him of play-calling and just focus on recruiting operations while he learns on the job. Get some competent coordinators and lose that pathetic o-line coach and we wouldn't have needed Tosh's 5* and 4* recruits to get to to 9 wins this year. Let us not make the same mistake in 2027. Coaching is of most importance! We can do more with less.
calBlitz
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soca1 said:

Saban probably kept Tosh only for his recruiting and made him DC to placate him. But, that was 8 years ago before things were like they are today. Does a personality driven recruiter even matter anymore in this era of NIL and transfer portal

High School recruiting is still vital. Tosh was hired at Oregon mainly due to his recruiting prowess and not because he was viewed as some hot DC commodity. I'm surprised that Cal didn't do the same. Hire some promising up and comer (Like UCLA) and offer Tosh a co-DC position (minus the play calling role).
calBlitz
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And by canned. I realize he cannot be fired right now. We can strip him of play-calling and just focus on recruiting operations while he learns on the job. Get some competent coordinators and lose that pathetic o-line coach and we wouldn't have needed Tosh's 5* and 4* recruits to get to to 9 wins this year. Let us not make the same mistake in 2027. Coaching is of most importance! We can do more with less.

That will not be sufficient. A HC sets the tone for the entire team. If a HC has glaring deficiencies, those flaws will negate the qualities of even a good coordinator. Can anyone think of a case where a team succeeded and the HC was just a figurehead?
01Bear
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calBlitz said:

soca1 said:

Saban probably kept Tosh only for his recruiting and made him DC to placate him. But, that was 8 years ago before things were like they are today. Does a personality driven recruiter even matter anymore in this era of NIL and transfer portal

High School recruiting is still vital. Tosh was hired at Oregon mainly due to his recruiting prowess and not because he was viewed as some hot DC commodity. I'm surprised that Cal didn't do the same. Hire some promising up and comer (Like UCLA) and offer Tosh a co-DC position (minus the play calling role).

Some of us were calling for that, but others on this board (especially the "insiders") said that Tosh was a fait accompli. Now we're stuck with a HC whose understanding of Xs and Os is so atrocious that he is not even able to recognize when a coordinator understands Xs and Os and ended up hiring two who have notable and glaring holes in their understanding.
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